CC - Group vs Raid Game

[L2Phantom]

Hi all, been enjoying my wizard for a while (I used to play a bard & chanter back in EQ Live and loved the challenge that came with it) but realized that my wizard is... well... pretty skillless. I just sit there, wait for the tank to build sufficient threat (root park if needed) and then blast it a few times to med again. It's really starting to bore me.

Are there not enough chanters in particular (CC) for the group game, and too many for the raid environment? I always see people looking for CC for grouping but always hear as the popular opinion that there are already too many chanters.

Whats the deal?

[Virtuosos]

chanters tend to go and solo alot, and there are very few wizards


if you are getting bored and WANT to be cc, then bard or chanter is probablly where you are needing to go

otherwise, stick it out. wizards are a definate rarity, be great to see a few more

[guineapig]

There are many high end chanters but the influx of new chanters has dropped significantly since some of our abilities have been nerfed a bit.

It started way back with Whirl-till-you Hurl and most recently with the changes to charm mechanics on the server.

(On the flip side we did have our alliance spell line fixed as well as some faction adjustments with Illusions but that's another story.)

Lots of us just log on our chanters for raids and are working on alts.
I figure once I have a second character at level 50 I can just use my main when we're short on CC.

I've definitely noticed way less low level chanters recently than in the past but I think that will all ebb and flow as more people start rolling alts. The threads about server class distribution help too.

[President]

Unless its really boring you to death, i'd say stick with the wizard. The high end DPS is pretty nasty, and Kunark/Velious they will get better. I thought I read somewhere that AE snare is in the game (even though its supposedly shouldn't be?) Maybe try your luck quad kiting, might be a bit more exciting.

And also what was posted above, there is a pretty good lack of wizards. It's kind of funny when we are going up to hate and 1 wizard has to port up 3+ groups.

[Omnimorph]

keep wizard, i'll group with you in an AE group in TD when kunark comes out :3

[Examino]

Anyone know a good spot for a 31 wiz to quad kite?

[Omnimorph]

Anyone know a good spot for a 31 wiz to quad kite?

South karana spires?

[Tallenn]

South karana spires?

If they're not camped, which is pretty rare. Honestly, I don't really recall too many good quad-kiting areas in classic- most of the best are in Kunark and Velious- or even later expansions.

I am looking at it from a druid perspective, so it may be a bit different- plus, Kunark was already out by the time I was of a level to quad, so that may have something to do with it.

As far as not enough enchanters for groups, I'm not seeing it. Maybe it's different at higher levels, but I've seen lots of other enchanters oocing for groups, and even been in several groups with two enchanters. Hopefully that will change a bit once I hit clarity (2 more bubs!)

[siinge]

i see alot of lowbie chanters 20-40 always lfg, there seems to be a recent influx of them as of late.

end game raiding? chanters dont stack well most of the bigger guilds here are full on chanters

bards... there are like non here, usually there are less thatn 9 online at anytime, and this server has over 600 people during prime time

i say stick it out with the wizard or if you wanna be raid heavy, bards always have a raid spot, even more so than a tank or cleric, its crazy

then again wizards on this server are in HIGH demend end game

[Arkis]

Lol there are a LOT more bards now. Might not have been true a month ago. But I see em everywhere... I am one myself.

[siinge]

bards 1-15 dont count...

try 30+

[Arkis]

I do actually mean 30+

[mitic]

what ive observed, most of those new bards have been started after the server went back online in the 25%exp-week.

[MrB]

Why not play both? Log in whatever - when you feel like it.

I also found wiz pretty boring - a lot of sitting around meddling - and too many enchanters mean not enough AE groups which are much more fun.

But hitting 20 and getting various gates sparked my interest in wizard again.

No rush to 50. Try whichever you want. By the time you reach 30 (hell lvl) you'll have a better idea of which to stick with.

[Omnimorph]

Why not play both? Log in whatever - when you feel like it.

I also found wiz pretty boring - a lot of sitting around meddling - and too many enchanters mean not enough AE groups which are much more fun.

But hitting 20 and getting various gates sparked my interest in wizard again.

No rush to 50. Try whichever you want. By the time you reach 30 (hell lvl) you'll have a better idea of which to stick with.

Actually enchanters can facillitate AE groups immensely :p It's just your standard setup for a group (tank, healer, CC) means that because you've got a wizard it isn't feasible to AE.

You want an AE group, get 2 wizards, 2 enchs, cleric and a bard. :p works a treat. Can replace out one of the enchs for another wizard if you want, but 2 enchs is safer :)

[L2Phantom]

I've actually never been in an AoE group, is it a viable exp method or are there a lot of deaths usually? I was on my wiz last night but I swear.. the grass under my ass probably has a solid imprint from medding so much .

[Omnimorph]

I've actually never been in an AoE group, is it a viable exp method or are there a lot of deaths usually?

I did AoE pretty much exclusively on the prog server from 51-60. It's ... different. What you have is a bard pulling (usually) and they'll round up about 30 mobs, which they then guide into your ench, who hits them with the PBAE stun and keep casting this, whilst the wizards / mage / cleric PBnuke. the mobs. It's safer with 2 enchs since if you get a resist on your stun the mob will hit you and possibly interupt your next stun, which will be instant death.

But the exp is great, you get probably half a level per pull in some cases, and you have a nice afk break till you're full mana or the mobs respawn. So it's not a constant pull a mob, kill a mob type group. I like the kill loads of mobs, browse the web for 6 minutes, kill loads of mobs again... :)

[Ermonican]

Sounds fun. makes me want to start a wizard lol. I played one till 50 on classic then switched to an enchanter. If I was doing these AE groups with a wiz I probably would have never switched.

[L2Phantom]

Sounds like a delicate process :) Gotta have some good synergy between your bard and your chanter(s). I'll keep playing my wiz I guess, it's not THAT bad. I wanna try this out in Kunark if you're still around.

[guineapig]

Druids are also great for AoE groups.

[Gukag]

L2Phantom what is your name in game? As 46 troll SK I've already half-assed PL some people by disease clouding all the orcs in highway in Oasis then bringing it back to an aoe group of whatever we could find (if i remember correctly it was cleric, 2 wizards, a bard, and a monk who would pick off runners). This was apparently very good xp. Depending on your lvl we could try doing that in MM or wherever is appropriate.

[Omnimorph]

Sounds like a delicate process :) Gotta have some good synergy between your bard and your chanter(s). I'll keep playing my wiz I guess, it's not THAT bad. I wanna try this out in Kunark if you're still around.

It took some fine tuning for getting the timing down when the mobs were about to run past you (i missed a few times, good thing the ench i was with had done it before)

Only thing is i wonder how the emu will cope with it, i've heard people say when AEing greenies that they sometimes LD themselves. :/