If there was a 2nd P99 server would you move to it

[Joroz]

Just curious...

Pro's
Economy starting without inflation from the duped plat/items phase of P99-1
2 isolated groups to submit bug/exploit reports
MQ detection from the start
Double the player content without changing the current attainability of items on P99-1
Less competition for targets

Con's
Lower P99-1 population
Less competition for targets

[Versus]

No. Stop making threads. Go to EQMac like your bros.

[Harrison]

Only if there was an open promise that from day 1 cheaters would be banned, publicly listed.

None of this "we'll let them go, this time..." over and over.

[Scavrefamn]

Only if there was an open promise that from day 1 cheaters would be banned, publicly listed.

None of this "we'll let them go, this time..." over and over.

This.

And having a fresh server would be nice, without all the massive amounts of plat/inflation and high end players camping low zones.
etc etc.

[Tippett]

Only if there was an open promise that from day 1 cheaters would be banned, publicly listed.

None of this "we'll let them go, this time..." over and over.

[Labyrrinth]

I wouldn't move to it and wouldn't play on it if people were allowed to move their chars.

However if there were a new server for people to start over on, where everyone is on a level playing field again, I would do that

[deneauth]

I liked the p1999 of 2010 better than the p1999 of 2012.

[Hitchens]

No.

[Galaa]

if its a fresh new server where everyone starts anew, maybe.

If its a new server which allows /movelog to it, NEVER.

[Swish]

Just curious...

http://i54.tinypic.com/11rrhx2.jpg

Troll poll? :D

[Silentone]

its a failboat ..i can see it sailing now.

[Joroz]

still early, thanks for voting though :D

[Slave]

I think we just have far too many qualified GMs to limit them to a mere two servers. Obviously they are competent, professional, knowledgeable individuals who need even more of a mandate to impose their will without any pesky developer oversight like they originally had.

[Razdeline]

Only if there was an open promise that from day 1 cheaters would be banned, publicly listed.

None of this "we'll let them go, this time..." over and over.

this

[Razdeline]

Also making fake forum accounts go bye-bye, and keeping trolling to a minimum.

[Harrison]

Confirmed that limpwristed "non-bans" are the problem with P99 Blue.

[Joroz]

Also making fake forum accounts go bye-bye, and keeping trolling to a minimum.

there will always be fake forum accounts. maybe less reasons to troll each other if there are options. red and blue are pretty separate now except for the random angry red RnF post trying to taunt people over to red.

[senna]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A

[FoxxHound]

DUnno

[fishingme]

Only if there was an open promise that from day 1 cheaters would be banned, publicly listed.

None of this "we'll let them go, this time..." over and over.

I'm going to regrettably have to agree with Harrison here. But I also wouldn't mind the whole TMO/VD shit scene to not transfer over. Wouldn't be the most horrible to add a player cap on joining guilds because of such low populations on at least p99. Of course it would need to be player enforced, but it definitely wouldn't be bad.

[Kassel]

I saw red with 32 people on it this weekend. If it dies and we already have the hardware in place it may be a fun idea to restart a classic non pvp server. This server would be different than current blue as it has had 3 ish years of bug reports and fixes. Plus they could reproduce the time line exactly as much of the dev work has been done. Kunark is fun and all but Classic is the bees knees. Some people also just get a kick out of starting fresh. I doubt this would happen but the idea is not horrible, and no for me it has nothing to do with the current raid scene.

[SCB]

I would definitely make an alt there just to enjoy the initial surge in low level dungeoning. IDK if I would stick around, though, because I love the current P99.

[Weekapaug]

I would love a fresh start, also. Managed to miss rubicite and manastones here by a couple weeks, just like real classic, plus the whole server was very top heavy before a great many classic fixes were in place.

I'm biased, though, as I'm just returning anyway, I guess.

[fischsemmel]

It would be fun for a month or so, because the new server would have 300+ people on it and they'd be leveling up together from scratch. That'd be fun.

But parts of it wouldn't be fun. You think min/maxers not inviting your paladin/ranger/SK on blue is bad right now? Wait until you are playing any melee (let alone a tank, let alone a hybrid tank) who is wearing tattered leather and wielding a fine steel weapons and see how many groups you'll get. I know I sure as hell wouldn't want to group with any DPS except for necromancers and mages. Screw tanks, man. Cleric+enchanter/shaman/bard+4 pet classes.

And after that first month or so? The server population would drop and/or people would be spread out in level again. You'd have the same situation we have on blue right now except that there would be fewer players, since a lot of people would have stayed on the original blue (except to box on both blues to trade for gear they want on their preferred blue server).

[Labyrrinth]

It would be fun for a month or so, because the new server would have 300+ people on it and they'd be leveling up together from scratch. That'd be fun.

But parts of it wouldn't be fun. You think min/maxers not inviting your paladin/ranger/SK on blue is bad right now? Wait until you are playing any melee (let alone a tank, let alone a hybrid tank) who is wearing tattered leather and wielding a fine steel weapons and see how many groups you'll get. I know I sure as hell wouldn't want to group with any DPS except for necromancers and mages. Screw tanks, man. Cleric+enchanter/shaman/bard+4 pet classes.

And after that first month or so? The server population would drop and/or people would be spread out in level again. You'd have the same situation we have on blue right now except that there would be fewer players, since a lot of people would have stayed on the original blue (except to box on both blues to trade for gear they want on their preferred blue server).

You're just a little ray of sunshine ;)

Personally I've never had an issue grouping with anyone, hybrid or not, and I am certain there are other that feel the same way. I never did like it when someone in a group would bitch and moan and refuse to group with a pally/ranger/sk etc.

[Hitchens]

What happens when P19992's raiding scene is inevitably controlled by the main raiding guild? Make P19993?

[Barkingturtle]

Well personally I'm not interested in playing on a second server, but a third would be very appealing and I'd probably roll there.

[Hitchens]

Might be best to hold out for P19994.

[Joroz]

What happens when P19992's raiding scene is inevitably controlled by the main raiding guild? Make P19993?

Sounds like a social experiment. Did all live servers turn out the same?

[Stealin Dragons]

Sounds like a social experiment. Did all live servers turn out the same?

so now we have too many people for blue 1 and should make a blue 2 to help even out the overcrowded blue 1?

[Messianic]

Blue 2 should just be cats on the moon after blue 1 reaches the end of the timeline.

[Hitchens]

Sounds like a social experiment. Did all live servers turn out the same?

I don't log on for social experiments. I log on to play Everquest.

[Swish]

Blue 2 should just be cats on the moon after blue 1 reaches the end of the timeline.

Totally this!

[Hitchens]

Beastlords were a fun class....

Vile temptations!

[Joroz]

No. Stop making threads. Go to EQMac like your bros.

Pushing people away from the project doesn't help it any. It looses potential donors every time someone leaves.


so now we have too many people for blue 1 and should make a blue 2 to help even out the overcrowded blue 1?

just a simple question to be voted on... you don't have to agree but everyone has their opinion.

[Hitchens]

Pushing people away from the project doesn't help it any. It looses potential donors every time someone leaves.

How much have you donated?

[Joroz]

How much have you donated?

showing our epeen's is not up for discussion in this thread make another thread if you want to find out if yours is bigger than everyone else.

[Hitchens]

So it is safe to assume you have donated nothing but are very concerned about donations.

[Stealin Dragons]

just a simple question to be voted on... you don't have to agree but everyone has their opinion.

live server population =/= p99 population.

[Joroz]

So it is safe to assume you have donated nothing but are very concerned about donations.

you are free to think whatever you want. its irrelevant to this conversation but good troll attempt.

[Hitchens]

you are free to think whatever you want. its irrelevant to this conversation but good troll attempt.

Its a troll attempt to ask someone who is concerned about donations how much they themselves have donated?

I consider that to be perfectly reasonable.

[Glasken]

One of the main reason I started a character on Red99 was for the classic only starting period and the fresh economy.

If there was to be a server restart, or a second blue server I would totally roll a toon there.

[Joroz]

Just to get things back on topic, this thread/poll is about how doubling the PvE content with another P99 server would affect the community and the the interest people would have in it.

[eqravenprince]

It would have to be a different ruleset for me to consider. Just some thoughts below which I would personally be interested in.


No ip exemptions
All magic items are no drop, you earn everything you wear.
Vendors do not sell any food, armor, weapons. You buy those things from people doing those tradeskills or make them yourself. Make tradeskills more viable.
Remove common language. Kind of like the Firiona Vie server. Have to learn to speak each race's language if you want to understand them.
Race/Class exp bonus/penalty removed
All weapons proc at level 1. If your guild decides to raid Blackburrow at level 5 and a Gnoll Hide Lariat drops, it should proc!
Damage cap removed, for the same reason as above. If you happen to loot a high damaging weapon at level 1, it should do whatever damage it is capable of.
All classes can Bind, don't know if this is possible. Having to get a bind as a melee adds zero fun. Having to go bind someone as a caster adds zero fun.

[Scavrefamn]

Its a troll attempt to ask someone who is concerned about donations how much they themselves have donated?


It's a pretty reliable sign of a simple minded individual when they recklessly use words they do not understand.

"Troll" is almost always used by people who don't know what it means, these people never say anything worth listening to. Just a heads up.

No ip exemptions

I'm curious as to why you'd desire a server with no IP exemptions. Less population?

The rest of your changes would make it "Not EQ", not even not classic, just "Not EQ", which I'm sure lots of people wouldn't want.

[Flunklesnarkin]

a hard mode server might be nice


classic + lol

[Asher]

It's a pretty reliable sign of a simple minded individual when they recklessly use words they do not understand.

"Troll" is almost always used by people who don't know what it means, these people never say anything worth listening to. Just a heads up.



I'm curious as to why you'd desire a server with no IP exemptions. Less population?

The rest of your changes would make it "Not EQ", not even not classic, just "Not EQ", which I'm sure lots of people wouldn't want.

It is commonly abused if you didn't already know.

Some people don't like when one person bots a group to hold a camp.

Asher

[Hitchens]

It's a pretty reliable sign of a simple minded individual when they recklessly use words they do not understand.

"Troll" is almost always used by people who don't know what it means, these people never say anything worth listening to. Just a heads up.

Evidently troll means "people who ask Joroz uncomfortable questions."

[Scavrefamn]

Some people don't like when one person bots a group to hold a camp.


It is my understanding that two boxing is nigh-impossible on this server.
Especially with Amelinda perma banning criminals and there being sweeps done for two boxers regularly.

I don't think two boxing scum lasts long here...

[porigromus]

It would have to be a different ruleset for me to consider. Just some thoughts below which I would personally be interested in.


No ip exemptions
All magic items are no drop, you earn everything you wear.
Vendors do not sell any food, armor, weapons. You buy those things from people doing those tradeskills or make them yourself. Make tradeskills more viable.
Remove common language. Kind of like the Firiona Vie server. Have to learn to speak each race's language if you want to understand them.
Race/Class exp bonus/penalty removed
All weapons proc at level 1. If your guild decides to raid Blackburrow at level 5 and a Gnoll Hide Lariat drops, it should proc!
Damage cap removed, for the same reason as above. If you happen to loot a high damaging weapon at level 1, it should do whatever damage it is capable of.
All classes can Bind, don't know if this is possible. Having to get a bind as a melee adds zero fun. Having to go bind someone as a caster adds zero fun.


I like this idea, it's fun to think about what would you do if you were customizing EQ.

- I think the cleric guildmaster in towns should be able to bind melee
- Greater HP/Mana regen out of combat
- Custom AAs to define classes further into their roles
- Instance dungeons / raid targets (chance for random dungeon monsters when you instance in would be cool, you could keep a game fresh without having to make it goofy like Luclin, PoP etc etc You zone into Guk and Trolls have take over etc etc)
- Some outdoor mobs reduced in strength or additional monsters in every outdoor zone that are weaker and provide less XP to allow classes to solo while looking for a group
- Random quest scrolls that drop from monsters, that would send you on a journey to collect items etc for a reward
- Auctioneer gnome in tunnel to place your wares for sell with (WoW has some good ideas!)

[Scavrefamn]

- I think the cleric guildmaster in towns should be able to bind melee
- Greater HP/Mana regen out of combat
- Custom AAs to define classes further into their roles
- Instance dungeons / raid targets
- Some outdoor mobs reduced in strength or additional monsters in every outdoor zone that are weaker and provide less XP to allow classes to solo while looking for a group
- Random quest scrolls that drop from monsters, that would send you on a journey to collect items etc for a reward
- Auctioneer gnome in tunnel to place your wares for sell with (WoW has some good ideas!)

How about go play EQ live or WoW?

That's pretty much exactly what you want.

[LizardNecro]

Just to get things back on topic, this thread/poll is about how doubling the PvE content with another P99 server would affect the community and the the interest people would have in it.

I think it's an interesting idea. The high end of the server is too crowded, but the middle end isn't crowded enough. You don't want to cannibalize those unrest, crushbone, sola, solb groups.

I wonder if there's a way to help the high end without hurting the lowbie/middle end.

[batkiller]

I would play on it, purely because I like to be able to kind of keep up with the curve a bit. And seeing as I only just started, I am waaaay behind most people. There's something a bit weird about seeing people wearing amazing Kunark gear while I'm still struggling to afford my level 12 spells. It sometimes makes me worry that by the time I reach the high end, most people will have quit.

Having said that, I think splitting the population between multiple servers would probably be a bad thing. The main thing that attracted me to p99 was that the server has a really good population. But I still have a really hard time finding people to play with because of my time zone. Usually when I play, even popular zones like Crushbone and Oasis are completely empty, or it's one or two other people. It's ok at the weekends because I can play in the evenings and stay up late, and it's really busy then. But I think if two servers split the people up, it could make it very empty when I play during the week.

[porigromus]

How about go play EQ live or WoW?

That's pretty much exactly what you want.

Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions! I love EQ classic and I wouldn't want anything to change to the current server. I was only dreaming up changes I would like to see to an EQ custom server.

You see it wouldn't be WoW, as EQ promotes group play and community. I also think WoW did some things correct in the beginning. What I really disliked about EQ after Velious was the direction the aesthetics took. Mixed graphics, strange turn in theme, I also disliked the instant teleportation everywhere. Anyway, just day dreaming!

[Destan]

Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions! I love EQ classic and I wouldn't want anything to change to the current server. I was only dreaming up changes I would like to see to an EQ custom server.

You see it wouldn't be WoW, as EQ promotes group play and community. I also think WoW did some things correct in the beginning. What I really disliked about EQ after Velious was the direction the aesthetics took. Mixed graphics, strange turn in theme, I also disliked the instant teleportation everywhere. Anyway, just day dreaming!

I don't know, I look at that list and I only see features that destroy group play and community much the way WoW did. What you just described is essentially every feature you see in MMOs today. Look at old republic: Increased HP/Mana regen out of combat, bind yourself in every city, easy to solo outdoor mobs, instancing, auctioneers, and talents to define your role. I grouped one time in that game, just because I happened to be right at the instance when a group needed one more. The other 49 levels, I soloed...very quickly....and I think I talked to maybe one other person while leveling.

EverQuest has such a great community because it's a pain in the ass to play it sometimes and you need people. It's one of the few games I can really tell the original developers said "lets make an interesting game" with little thought to balance. They picked classes and races they thought were interesting, defined roles in a traditional fantasy setting, and built a world for us to play in without much consideration for how hard or easy it would end up being and just said "Go for it". And it was great.

[Wotsirb401]

How about go play EQ live or WoW?

That's pretty much exactly what you want.


Yeah WoW got all their ideas from EQ

[Eldaran]

It would have to be a different ruleset for me to consider. Just some thoughts below which I would personally be interested in.


No ip exemptions
All magic items are no drop, you earn everything you wear.
Vendors do not sell any food, armor, weapons. You buy those things from people doing those tradeskills or make them yourself. Make tradeskills more viable.
Remove common language. Kind of like the Firiona Vie server. Have to learn to speak each race's language if you want to understand them.
Race/Class exp bonus/penalty removed
All weapons proc at level 1. If your guild decides to raid Blackburrow at level 5 and a Gnoll Hide Lariat drops, it should proc!
Damage cap removed, for the same reason as above. If you happen to loot a high damaging weapon at level 1, it should do whatever damage it is capable of.
All classes can Bind, don't know if this is possible. Having to get a bind as a melee adds zero fun. Having to go bind someone as a caster adds zero fun.


wtf are you on???

[eqravenprince]

wtf are you on???

What idea is so far out there that makes you think I am on drugs.

[Glasken]

Server reboot; keep the same development schedule to buy some more time for Velious development and relive that CLASSIC experience!

[Vladesch]

I'd like a server where 2 boxing is allowed.
*puts on fire retardant vest*

[Neach]

Hate to say it but red99 is nothing more then a low population group of bitchy forum morons. Imo a second blue server with strictly enforced no cheating policy with a no raid monopoly casual server feel would be better. . . A server to cater to hardcore nugget blasters and a softcore happy go lucky server. . Without a doubt I would advocate this. Flame on!

[Maze513]

Hate to say it but red99 is nothing more then a low population group of bitchy forum morons. Imo a second blue server with strictly enforced no cheating policy with a no raid monopoly casual server feel would be better. . . A server to cater to hardcore nugget blasters and a softcore happy go lucky server. . Without a doubt I would advocate this. Flame on!

You get what you pay for

[Faywind]

I wouldn't want another P99 server since it would split the population and it would be harder to find groups and such. I like the 500+ community on P99.

[Messianic]

I'd like a server where 2 boxing is allowed.
*puts on fire retardant vest*

Rename your "Everquest" directory "Project 1999", do a fresh titanium install, and play on PEQ.

Problem solved.

[batkiller]

PEQ population is a bit low and it doesn't keep to classic unfortunately :/

[Lyzard]

I don't know, I look at that list and I only see features that destroy group play and community much the way WoW did. What you just described is essentially every feature you see in MMOs today. Look at old republic: Increased HP/Mana regen out of combat, bind yourself in every city, easy to solo outdoor mobs, instancing, auctioneers, and talents to define your role. I grouped one time in that game, just because I happened to be right at the instance when a group needed one more. The other 49 levels, I soloed...very quickly....and I think I talked to maybe one other person while leveling.

EverQuest has such a great community because it's a pain in the ass to play it sometimes and you need people. It's one of the few games I can really tell the original developers said "lets make an interesting game" with little thought to balance. They picked classes and races they thought were interesting, defined roles in a traditional fantasy setting, and built a world for us to play in without much consideration for how hard or easy it would end up being and just said "Go for it". And it was great.

+1 hammer meet the head of this nail