Rangers

[CrowsNest]

Are rangers really that messed up classic/kunsrk maybe vel? Hear a lot of bad things about them...dps no good bow dmg crap and spells crappy. Wanted to make a ranger but seems to be nothing but a negative class. Is this true or just ranger haters lol. Want a melee toon but up in the air on pal sk ranger

[Rooj]

I love my ranger and I don't have the "can't get groups" problem people claim they have.

[Negativefx83]

Rangers are great - I just cant' stand the exp penalty =(

[Paumad]

Is it "are rangers worth it" thread time again?

[CrowsNest]

Not really just askin of there as bad as they sound

[Negativefx83]

Are they fun? Yes, in my opinion they are one of the most fun classes to play. I never had any grouping issues on my Ranger. If you play them well you will be always welcome in groups.

[Muchew]

I think its more of the comparison of what they become post-velious, they are horrible. Finally had a ranged dps that doesn't depend on mana/mob resist.

In classic though,they do fine dps and can pull well outdoors.

[Corrodith]

This thread pops up every week and I always say pretty much the same thing:

Things are terrible and not really fun at all until you get clicky haste cloak and badass gear. Even then your usefulness is fairly minimal unless you're a great all-around player. If you want to play a ranger casually as an alt then I think you'd be very stupid because it won't be that much fun.

[Ephirith]

This thread pops up every week and I always say pretty much the same thing:

Things are terrible and not really fun at all until you get clicky haste cloak and badass gear. Even then your usefulness is fairly minimal unless you're a great all-around player. If you want to play a ranger casually as an alt then I think you'd be very stupid because it won't be that much fun.

This is completely wrong. A properly geared ranger leveling up will out-dps everything but a fairly twinked rogue or similarly geared monk. And with that they will bring root parking, reliable agro, and decent tanking. I carry both a STR set and an ac/hp set for when I need to take hits, which is almost always because nobody plays a tank... but that's an issue for another thread.

It's easier to utilize your class to the best of its ability if you play a rogue or monk. They are both better dps later on. But it's profoundly fucking ignorant to say that makes rangers useless, or even undesirable, particularly when leveling.

But like he said, there's a ton of threads about this if you use the search function. I think the conclusion is that rangers have their flaws, but if properly played, can be an incredible contribution to a group. Just remember you have spells, and use them. There's too many rangers that never throw a downtime heal, or a root/snare. Such a waste.

Plus I find monks and rogues really boring.

[Egil]

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[Noselacri]

They're okay. They aren't the best at anything (except tracking) but they're alright at plenty of things. They're a lot like druids in that way, but rangers have the advantage of being able to tank just fine up to about 50, and even further if they're properly geared. Tanks being one of the most sought-after roles, that counts for something.

The real problem is that people view things from the perspective of the perfect group, and a ranger doesn't have a solid place in those. In reality, most groups aren't perfect, and rangers are versatile enough that they can pull their weight in a less idealistic group. It can be a great asset to have a DPS who can off-tank, or to have someone who can root-park mobs without wasting valuable healer mana on it. It can be great to have a harmony-puller that isn't a caster who loses a bunch of medding time when he has to pull. They can fill in as a pseudo-slower if the group doesn't have an enchanter or shaman. It's also one of only three classes with SoW, one of only two with a long-lasting snare, and the only class besides monk that can do good DPS while tanking.

Unfortunately, the class doesn't have a real niche and isn't particularly valuable on a raid where all the utilities are covered by others. Rangers are actually great while leveling, but not so great in the endgame. It gets better in Velious though, because archery DPS is pretty good during trueshot and that can help a lot in certain fights, plus weaponshield is the key to a very effective strategy that most guilds will want to employ while progressing. They also get some unique atk buffs in Velious which will effectively make a ranger fully competitive DPS considering what they add to all the other melees, though that doesn't stack so well with multiple rangers.

[webrunner5]

One nice thing about Rangers here is that there is some really cheap gear and weapons for them. A big plus on here. Like it has been said the 40% XP penality sucks but all Hybrids have it and some even more.

It is a great solo class. With the Swarmcaller you can slow like a Shaman. If you use 2handers from 20 to 50 you can cast damage spells even heal spells on yourself between swings. Doing a lot of damage.

It is not a easy road to go, but with the Tracking and some pretty good spells they get, Harmony, Thornes, SoW, etc and good DPS they are a lot of fun I think.

[Corrodith]

This is completely wrong. A properly geared ranger leveling up will out-dps everything but a fairly twinked rogue or similarly geared monk.

Don't spread lies! This is just not true, as much as you might want it to be. This is coming from one of the best geared rangers on the server. I've parsed myself vs. other classes in pickup groups plenty while leveling up. The worst geared rogue or monk will out-dps the best geared ranger almost every time. You might be able to come close pre-50 if you're massively overgeared, but it just comes down to having lower weapon skills.

[Scavrefamn]

Don't spread lies! This is just not true, as much as you might want it to be. This is coming from one of the best geared rangers on the server. I've parsed myself vs. other classes in pickup groups plenty while leveling up. The worst geared rogue or monk will out-dps the best geared ranger almost every time. You might be able to come close pre-50 if you're massively overgeared, but it just comes down to having lower weapon skills.

Spectacular burn.

[Phased]

Lots of angry rangers here. They can't tank as well as tanks, they can't do as much damage as the DPS classes.

Yet, these threads should all end with the common response:

Good players > bad players, regardless of class.

[Cecily]

Rangers are hands down my favorite class to group to with on my rogue. Tank / Healer/ Haste & Slow / DPS / DPS/ DPS makes an ideal melee party. With that setup, mobs die fast and it really doesn't matter what the DPS classes are (as long as I'm one). Might as well have a ranger along for utility. And oh my god, I can't wait for call of the predator.

What a player can do by themselves is largely insignificant. It's the synergy of different talents that matters in Everquest.

[Flunklesnarkin]

lot of the rangers i've grouped with in the past don't use snare or root at all though.. makes me sad :(

[webrunner5]

lot of the rangers i've grouped with in the past don't use snare or root at all though.. makes me sad :(

Well If they are the tank that would be fine, but Root is one hell of a agro magnet. That is one of the main problems with a Ranger in a group if they are not the tank is stealing agro. Why Sony ever gave them a taunt abilty is beyond me lol. They need a no taunt ability.

But that said just like any other class there are good and bad players. If you play the class really well you can be one busy bastard.

[Xanthias]

Rangers are fun, play them if you enjoy a challenge

[Ephirith]

Don't spread lies! This is just not true, as much as you might want it to be. This is coming from one of the best geared rangers on the server. I've parsed myself vs. other classes in pickup groups plenty while leveling up. The worst geared rogue or monk will out-dps the best geared ranger almost every time. You might be able to come close pre-50 if you're massively overgeared, but it just comes down to having lower weapon skills.

You're overstating the differences. If you're rocking a Woodsman's Staff + FBSS + smart gear choices and the occasional nuke between swings "the worst geared monk" is going to fall behind in the lower levels. I'm not spreading lies and I'm not deluding myself into thinking rangers will out-dps a geared rogue or a superior-geared monk. Perhaps I should have bolded the part where I said 'leveling', and not 50+, where the difference probably becomes more pronounced.

Something tells me your experience as a ranger was so unenjoyable because you were doing something wrong, like dual wielding or wearing tolans when you're not taking damage for a group. I've found my experience to be quite enjoyable, and my dps competitive.

[webrunner5]

The big thing about Rangers is they have some of the best weapons in the game Ranger only. And a lot are really cheap to buy. And can use a lot of the normal run of the mill suff also. And their twin Epics are really nice. They have nice self buffs to boot.

They just take a lot more thought how to approach mobs than say a Ogre SK does with their better AC, HP stats on getting hit solo. They have just about every spell a Druid gets and even a Druid can't kill a mob in like 30 seconds. It is more of a cat and mouse game on a Ranger. It gets tough level 50 and above, but no class just jumps from 50 to 60 in a week on here.

[fadetree]

Well If they are the tank that would be fine, but Root is one hell of a agro magnet. That is one of the main problems with a Ranger in a group if they are not the tank is stealing agro. Why Sony ever gave them a taunt abilty is beyond me lol. They need a no taunt ability.

But that said just like any other class there are good and bad players. If you play the class really well you can be one busy bastard.

Root is an aggro magnet? You may be referring to the fact that when rooted, a mob will turn on whomever is closest...but that's just because they can't reach the guy they are really pissed at. Other than that I think root has no more aggro factor than the small cc+dmg factor it carries.

In fact, root can be used to control aggro very well by a smart ranger.

Scenario - pull mob, bring to tank, root it next to tank, move back. Ding! mob is on tank until root breaks or tank has aggro. Group melee needs to be aware that distance counts and nukers need to know to hold back until mob is on tank, but they should be doing that anyway.

Scenario - group is working on Badass_Mob_01. Ranger gets excited and starts out DPSing tank. Ranger hears CRUNCH CRUNCH. Root mob, move back. Mob turns to tank and cleric gets to heal ranger.

etc.

Also, rogues and monks are problematic melees for stealing aggro as well. I agree about taunt though, its pretty useless on a ranger. I have never even bothered with it much over 10 years of playing a ranger. Flame lick+snare+DPS provides MORE than enough snap aggro.

I also agree with what Funkle said about spells...YOU HAVE SPELLS, USE THEM. Especially the heals. Spamming small heals ( Ranger Regen ) at a twitching necro or shaman is of GREAT value. Spamming a tank while cheal casts is of great value. Often a healer will be so concerned about keeping the melee up they will not heal themselves...spamming them back up can save them if you can spare the DPS loss during a close battle. Use Flame lick ( if nobody is mezzing ) and snare to peel from casters and park the mob. Use snare to peel an extra mob on inc and park it away from group with root.

[Corrodith]

I always keep taunt hotkeyed! I use it all the time when a mez or a charm breaks on an enchanter, it lets me switch targets really fast and insta-peel it off of them before they take a second round of melee. The skill is high enough that it's pretty reliable on most exp mobs.

[Phased]

Sadly, opinions are not facts. I'm glad you've enjoyed your experience though, that's what it's all about.

[dcapotos]

Terrible class terrible baseball team.

[Galaa]

Well just put it this way. Rangers are the lowest dps among the 3 melee dps class.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Well just put it this way. Rangers are the lowest dps among the 3 melee dps class.

given ideal conditions


not every group or player has the best or ideal gear though

[Scavrefamn]

I believe equally geared monk or rogue will always greatly outdamage a Ranger.



As it should be IMO.

[CrowsNest]

Can war out dmg ranger seeing how it's just a tank?

[jjgerman]

rangers are just fun, but they suck.

Was the first 60 ranger here, leveling wasnt a problem.

Like any other class, level in howling stones or sebilis in the right spots, and your exp will fly.


Most nubs stay in karnors for 50,000 hours and wonder why their exp bar moves so slow.

[CrowsNest]

I'm sure wep wise war can but spells included for ranger

[Xanthias]

All depends to be honest
in a raid I'm usually one of the top ten melee dps in the force
sometimes higher sometimes lower.
but usually the only classes that beat me are rogues and monks

warriors most of the time in a raid situation are using defensive or evasive and their dps will suffer.
but in a group a ranger SHOULD out dps the equally geared warrior every time.

[Pan]

So much of what a ranger can do happens in the background: specific buffs, situational crowd control, slows, snares, patch heals, harmony pulls, and so on and on and on...

A good ranger is like the grease that keeps the group lubed.

If you have a smooth group w/a good ranger and the ranger leaves, you'll notice that things hiccup in odd ways.

All that said, a ranger is a fairly difficult class to play well. It's not an easy-mode 'toon.

(ranger main on live from launch to 2005 or so - monk here)

[Thedonn]

Every class is bad if not geared properly and not played properly. Considering how few people I have met that own more than one set of gear for different purposes I tend to take what people say with a grain of salt. My ranger back in the day was amazing, great DPS and never had problems getting a group but as previously stated, if he got a group where he was pure DPS, he would wear the appropriate armor/gear, and if needed for something otherwise, the DPS armor went back in the bank. Post Velious... he collected dust. Never forget that sony chased profit, not game balance.

Min / Max ppl are going to crap on rangers no matter what, but it is like anything in life... some people look for every last little advantage possible and some people are out to have fun. This does not mean it is a useless class, or that you are gonna hear "Raynja Down! LOLZ!1!!!?" constantly, it just means a few people are gonna try n crap on the class to make themselves feel more superior. Let those people min/max and say whatever they like.

Play your ranger and enjoy it knowing it will be fun as hell, and take the advice from the people in this thread to make sure you are not left out in the cold and you will have a great time, and if you really wanna know if Ranger is fun, ask Jainis if he likes his ranger. I'm pretty sure the answer will make you happy.

[Pan]

... if you really wanna know if Ranger is fun, ask Jainis if he likes his ranger. I'm pretty sure the answer will make you happy.

Jainis is an avatar of the ranger spirit.

[danceparty]

a quick healing tip for the soloing ranger; mem the healing spell that is one tier lower than what you have access to. e.g. if you are lvl 39 then mem the 22 heal. if you are lvl 22 then mem the lvl 9 heal.

now during your healing downtime between mobs time your heals between med ticks. that is, sit and wait for meditate to tick, then cast the heal, then sit and wait for the med tick again.

the result will be nearly full mana regen of the heal you just casted, and mana will stay full. this means shorter down time between pulls. you also benefit from a natural regen tick cause you are sitting when it ticks. this is basically the shaman canni-dance applied to heals.


a quick tip for mob selection while soloing; solo in out doors where all of your skills are max useful. track sort on "consider" and find the blue mobs that are just above the light blues. these mobs will provide good exp and you'll mow them down.

these two strats together is win.


................................and remember:

[Galaa]

Rangers has the worse melee DPS class among the 3. Not only that, they give the most XP penalty to the grp.

Lowest DPS + worse XP penalty is a bad combination...

If a grp has a tank, 2 healers and a chanter/bard, its way better to pick 2 rogue/monk to fill up the DPS slots than to have 2 rangers...

Yeah I get that rangers can CC, but if the grp has a CCer (bard/chanter) and 2 healers (Cleric + shaman/druid), then there's no reason to even pick a ranger to fill up the remaining slots.

[Acrux Bcrux]

Briare's sig = what playing a ranger is like, end of story.

[Ephirith]

Rangers has the worse melee DPS class among the 3. Not only that, they give the most XP penalty to the grp

Iksar monk penalty: 44%
Ranger penalty: 40%

Not really any dispute with your other points just thought you should note this often overlooked fact.

And I doubt anyone was claiming rangers had a place in an optimally min/maxed group. Shit if you min/max it enough I'm pretty sure all you've got left for maximum 1337omgwtf efficiency is a shaman and monk duo. At which point it's time to pop your collar because, bro, you efficient now.

[Arteker]

rangeras class will change in velious , why, they got a atk boost and they got their line of atk spells .

add the changes in 2hander mechanics , alot of aura of battles and u have the biggest atk class in game. also add primal.


then a ranger can easily pull murder 2hand dmg being so far even susperior to monk dmg. but u have to be a super raid egared ranger to do such efats.

[webrunner5]

Rangers has the worse melee DPS class among the 3. Not only that, they give the most XP penalty to the grp.

Lowest DPS + worse XP penalty is a bad combination...

If a grp has a tank, 2 healers and a chanter/bard, its way better to pick 2 rogue/monk to fill up the DPS slots than to have 2 rangers...

Yeah I get that rangers can CC, but if the grp has a CCer (bard/chanter) and 2 healers (Cleric + shaman/druid), then there's no reason to even pick a ranger to fill up the remaining slots.

A Paladin and a SK all have the same or worse penality. 40% or more. Only a Warrior, all 10 of them, have little or none. And a Ranger will outdamage a Paladin anyday against live mobs.

I think we all need to really get off of this Rangers just suck thing on here. With all the nerfs since this game has started no class other than maybe a Monk or Necro is that great anymore. And nobody wants a Necro in a group and 1/2 of Monks suck at pulling.

[Lagaidh]

a quick healing tip for the soloing ranger; mem the healing spell that is one tier lower than what you have access to. e.g. if you are lvl 39 then mem the 22 heal. if you are lvl 22 then mem the lvl 9 heal.

now during your healing downtime between mobs time your heals between med ticks. that is, sit and wait for meditate to tick, then cast the heal, then sit and wait for the med tick again.

the result will be nearly full mana regen of the heal you just casted, and mana will stay full. this means shorter down time between pulls. you also benefit from a natural regen tick cause you are sitting when it ticks. this is basically the shaman canni-dance applied to heals.


a quick tip for mob selection while soloing; solo in out doors where all of your skills are max useful. track sort on "consider" and find the blue mobs that are just above the light blues. these mobs will provide good exp and you'll mow them down.

these two strats together is win.


................................and remember:

This strat also works for the paladin using his deepwater helm or bp to heal. Since the cast time is so long it won't be as dramatic a "med" but you do end up multi tasking. You're healing out of battle, so you may as well get that extra bubble of mana while you're at it.

Now... in true classic, when you could sit during a long cast and not interrupt the spell: well, you could med up full while hat healing =)

Let's alter the client's behavior to make this classic mechanic come back to life! (Of course it was patched out in Kunark, so it should probably already be gone on our timeline.)

[Heavydrop]

see sig

Love it

[Arclanz]

.. Let those people min/max and say whatever they like.

Play your ranger and enjoy it knowing it will be fun as ...

Probably good advice. Rangers were always welcome DPS (with added bonus sow/snare/track) in my groups/raids. One of the top rangers on our server beat me (one of the top paladins) in a duel in the plane of fear. Admittedly I wasted time casting some spells when I should have just tank n spank. But his planar weapons and wolf form dished out serious dps. He also out-dueled one of the top monks on the server about a week earlier.

Of course they also draw a lot of aggro, but nothing a good tank can't work with.

[Tasslehofp99]

This is completely wrong. A properly geared ranger leveling up will out-dps everything but a fairly twinked rogue or similarly geared monk. And with that they will bring root parking, reliable agro, and decent tanking. I carry both a STR set and an ac/hp set for when I need to take hits, which is almost always because nobody plays a tank... but that's an issue for another thread.

It's easier to utilize your class to the best of its ability if you play a rogue or monk. They are both better dps later on. But it's profoundly fucking ignorant to say that makes rangers useless, or even undesirable, particularly when leveling.

But like he said, there's a ton of threads about this if you use the search function. I think the conclusion is that rangers have their flaws, but if properly played, can be an incredible contribution to a group. Just remember you have spells, and use them. There's too many rangers that never throw a downtime heal, or a root/snare. Such a waste.

Plus I find monks and rogues really boring.


Most rangers don't outdps warriors, of course there are exceptions in any case. Rangers are excellent though, very useful class when played by a somewhat competent player.

[Xanthias]

Most rangers don't outdps warriors, of course there are exceptions in any case. Rangers are excellent though, very useful class when played by a somewhat competent player.


Huh??? seriously?

I parse every fight I'm in and I can't remember the last time a warrior out dps'd me...
Last time we did Gorenaire, Internode and I were 1 & 2 in dps for the fight, that's over monks, rogues, warriors etc.

[Silentone]

Huh??? seriously?

I parse every fight I'm in and I can't remember the last time a warrior out dps'd me...
Last time we did Gorenaire, Internode and I were 1 & 2 in dps for the fight, that's over monks, rogues, warriors etc.

That gives us about as much data as saying u were number on dps on Draco.

[Danyelle]

Huh??? seriously?

I parse every fight I'm in and I can't remember the last time a warrior out dps'd me...
Last time we did Gorenaire, Internode and I were 1 & 2 in dps for the fight, that's over monks, rogues, warriors etc.

Keep in mind the fact you can't parse other people's spells/procs etc. Adds more than you may think. They changed that on Live, thank god. Other people's spells started displaying as "A Gnoll Pup has taken 32159 damage from Soandso's Big Ass Flame Bolt" which the parser can pick up, though I think other's procs may still be hidden. And all but your own DS is hidden too. At any rate, the "rangers never out dps anyone" thing IS a bit of an exaggeration though, I think. And even if it weren't, take comfort in the fact that these days they're one of the best, if not the best, dps in the game if you put the right bow on them and have the right AAs.

[Xanthias]

That gives us about as much data as saying u were number on dps on Draco.

Better?

Gorenaire in 69s, 20k @287dps --- Internode 3k @50dps (17.26%) --- Xanthias 3k @45dps (15.57%) --- Sckrilla 3k @42dps (14.11%) --- Flippie 2k @38dps (11.79%) --- Khezak 2k @27dps (8.86%) --- Snackies 1k @15dps (4.57%) --- Sworen 1k @14dps (4.52%) --- Auelin 1k @18dps (4%) --- Jagganath 1k @10dps (3.36%) --- Zugsmash 1k @10dps (2.83%)


Keep in mind the fact you can't parse other people's spells/procs etc. Adds more than you may think. They changed that on Live, thank god. Other people's spells started displaying as "A Gnoll Pup has taken 32159 damage from Soandso's Big Ass Flame Bolt" which the parser can pick up, though I think other's procs may still be hidden. And all but your own DS is hidden too. At any rate, the "rangers never out dps anyone" thing IS a bit of an exaggeration though, I think. And even if it weren't, take comfort in the fact that these days they're one of the best, if not the best, dps in the game if you put the right bow on them and have the right AAs.

Hey I'm not bitching, but I agree the whole blanket statement thing does get a tad annoying.

Last thought on this topic, group with rangers who have a clue about the class and you'll come away amazed.

[greatdane]

There aren't really any redeeming mechanics for rangers. It's possible for a ranger in BiS gear played by an excellent player to do better than a rogue in mediocre gear played by a lazy player. Doesn't prove anything. All else being equal, ranger is in the wrong half of the class hierarchy for every possible role - DPS, nuking, tanking, healing, buffing - of all the classes that can do those things at all. You have to be able to enjoy the fact that you can do all of them to some degree, because rangers certainly aren't specialists. The facilities simply don't exist for them to be able to do top DPS, and that's the only role that they aren't decidedly awful at. It really is a total crap class but it's possible to have a succesful group/raid with a ranger in it just as it's possible to do with someone who's five levels under everyone else. It's just not efficient in any way.

[webrunner5]

There aren't really any redeeming mechanics for rangers. It's possible for a ranger in BiS gear played by an excellent player to do better than a rogue in mediocre gear played by a lazy player. Doesn't prove anything. All else being equal, ranger is in the wrong half of the class hierarchy for every possible role - DPS, nuking, tanking, healing, buffing - of all the classes that can do those things at all. You have to be able to enjoy the fact that you can do all of them to some degree, because rangers certainly aren't specialists. The facilities simply don't exist for them to be able to do top DPS, and that's the only role that they aren't decidedly awful at. It really is a total crap class but it's possible to have a succesful group/raid with a ranger in it just as it's possible to do with someone who's five levels under everyone else. It's just not efficient in any way.

You are talking crazy stuff. A low to mid Warrior can't DPS worth a crap or hold agro worth a crap. A Paladin, unless against un dead is no DPS champ either. A SK is no real DPS champ either. Better than a Pally but not much. No Tank just knocks the crap out of anything. A Monk is probably at the top DPS wise but you will probably be using it to pull also. So the Cleric has to heal him as a tank and then he is about dead when he comes back from a pull. Not very mana efficent.

I am not saying a Ranger is Gods gift to this game but they are sure as heck not as bad as you make them out to be. Nobody is going to out damage a Rogue DPS wise but there is about 15 of them on line at any time. So big deal.

[Danyelle]

You are talking crazy stuff. A low to mid Warrior can't DPS worth a crap or hold agro worth a crap. A Paladin, unless against un dead is no DPS champ either. A SK is no real DPS champ either. Better than a Pally but not much. No Tank just knocks the crap out of anything. A Monk is probably at the top DPS wise but you will probably be using it to pull also. So the Cleric has to heal him as a tank and then he is about dead when he comes back from a pull. Not very mana efficent.

I am not saying a Ranger is Gods gift to this game but they are sure as heck not as bad as you make them out to be. Nobody is going to out damage a Rogue DPS wise but there is about 15 of them on line at any time. So big deal.

Making fun of Rangers is about as common place as gnomes in Everquest. Many people likely fall back on the joke, thinking it's true, when in reality they know next to nothing about the class. For example, the "rangers die/suck/don't dps/worthless etc" joke is still very prevalent on Live, and yet, now, they are one of the best dps classes in the game (with a bow. Still meh with melee but not bad) and are semi-decent tanks in a pinch.

Not saying that's the case with the guy you quoted, just saying... lol

[Broncoandy]

Ranger? You'll never deal the most damage. You'll never take the least damage. You'll never heal the most, or buff the best. But you will always be in control, and you will never be helpless. Which is not something that can be said for monks, rogues, warriors, etc... Were they as good as they could have / should have been? Absolutely not. But that doesn't mean they're as terrible as people make them out to be either.

[Razdeline]

Need a velious geared raiding ranger to back me up on this, but wasn't Trueshot rediculous in velious?

For the time the Disc was up (2 min)-- I remember rangers doing some serious dps at range..

[Heavydrop]

Speaking of Velious and Rangers.... Will Quiver WR ever be added in?
I have a nice Thunderhoof Quiver sitting in my bank just waiting for me to level
my level 9 Ranger alt (yes... I will someday)

[fadetree]

Trueshot was/will be pretty good indeed, especially if quiver haste comes into play, which I *think* it will...gonna have to go research. That and weaponshield added quite a bit of utility. Plus the atk buffage in Velious was needed, as was panic animal. Overall, Ranger desireability goes up quite a bit in Velious imo.

[Arclanz]

Ranger Chronicles: http://www.whitewolfbrigade.com/wwb/RangerChronicles.pdf

The only joke I ever heard about Rangers was "A ranger walks into a bar....loading..please wait." This joke centers on the fact that they draw a lot of aggro because of their high dps.

All this other stuff about they are crap or whatnot; never heard of it until this forum. But then I've read a lot of silly things on this forum.

[fadetree]

Thats a good writeup. WS debuffing is a particularly handy raid function..especially since the ranger can build up huge aggro with spells...then when slow lands and the tank taunts he'll get all that juicy aggro. Plus you can chain it if you need to and have another Ranger handy...which you'll need since the first will be down in that case :)

[maahes]

I think its more of the comparison of what they become post-velious, they are horrible. Finally had a ranged dps that doesn't depend on mana/mob resist.

In classic though,they do fine dps and can pull well outdoors.

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