Expansion Poll - Up to which xpac.

[Artah]

Quick poll, don't post flames, rants and stuff. Just want to see the count.

[Hitchens]

Voted Velious.

[Barkingturtle]

I think most folks will say Velious--and I can't really argue with that--but I'd like to see AA's, too, so I voted Luclin.

[Danyelle]

The Classic brigade will vote Velious, if it happens to be losing they'll create troll accounts to spam the results. This will result in them being trolled because you could fill this whole first page with this poll and it still wouldn't change whatever nilbog has in store. Be it Velious or beyond.

Regardless I voted Luclin. But as stated I'd like it somewhat changed. Most notably the mob hp. Scaled down to a more Classic level to negate the 50 hour afk fights that Luclin had, especially in VT. The VT key was also kind of annoying but if you complain about the VT key yet loved the VP key then you're stupid. Sorry to say, but they're the exact same key, exact same time sink. Only difference is the P and T.

[happyhappy]

http://www.project1999.org/index.php?pageid=about

[Danyelle]

http://www.project1999.org/index.php?pageid=about

Your point bro? I direct you to a quote from the very page you linked:

...at which point many options will be considered, including possible custom content that will maintain the spirit of the game, and/or an additional new server starting over at Pre-Kunark.

[happyhappy]

I honestly don't know how clearer "The server will stop at Velious" can be.

Oh wait, I do.


I think the majority* of players here believe classic-Velious had the right idea.

Luclin onward.. I just can't get onboard with. I played the expansions up to like omens of war. It was all right, but mostly just a big waste of my time.

I'd rather have a completely custom game after Velious than rebuild that fail. Cats on the moon not happening on my watch.

[godbox]

beast master was fun bazaar was nice. so luclin. didnt play past luclin though dont even know what pop is past what people call soda in denver.

[Barkingturtle]

I honestly don't know how clearer "The server will stop at Velious" can be.

Oh wait, I do.

I empathize with your need to protect the "vision" and whatnot, and I can only speak for myself, but I already knew the dev's intentions and only voted in the poll because it was a poll. Polls are irresistible.

I still think it's interesting to see the numbers now, two-and-a-half years after the server launched. I'd bet that the same poll two years ago would have seen far fewer votes for PoP and Luclin. Seems to me that over time we've attracted players looking for free EQ moreso than those looking for Classic EQ.

[Brimacombe]

Is it possible to log and release the account names of the poll submissions?
It might give us a better picture of the results.

- Brimacombe

P.S. Although in restrospect. If this poll were to be open identity, then it would give a very good idea of what people who frequent the boards want.

[tekniq]

Velious, with next "expansion" to be AA's.

[mwatt]

I voted Velious and that is the way that I would want this server to stay. It is and should be the classic server.

What I woud like to see for the future is an additional server, that you could one-way port your character to. Said server would be Luclinesque in that there would be AA (pretty much unchanged AA IMO) and many of the zones from Luclin or even after would be present, but all traces of Aliens would be gone and classic fantasy type enemies substituted. I'd like to see levels go to 65 as well.

[falkun]

I'm abstaining. I'd love to do what is suggested here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11879), which is skip Luclin and go straight from Velious to PoP. You'd be missing out on Ssra, but that's the major zone that would be missed with skipping Luclin.

[mwatt]

I'm abstaining. I'd love to do what is suggested here (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11879), which is skip Luclin and go straight from Velious to PoP. You'd be missing out on Ssra, but that's the major zone that would be missed with skipping Luclin.

I don't recall the name of it and it would have to be thematically repopulated, but I liked the zone with the Ellysians in it. I also loved Veksar, although it was not Luclin per se .... if I remember correctly, it came between Velious and Luclin.

[Grozmok]

Velious, server wipe, Vanilla, Kunark, Velious, server wipe, ...

You get the idea.

[Visual]

maybe introduce AA's after velious has been out a year or two. Say no to luclin though

[Raden]

I voted Velious and that is the way that I would want this server to stay. It is and should be the classic server.

What I woud like to see for the future is an additional server, that you could one-way port your character to. Said server would be Luclinesque in that there would be AA (pretty much unchanged AA IMO) and many of the zones from Luclin or even after would be present, but all traces of Aliens would be gone and classic fantasy type enemies substituted. I'd like to see levels go to 65 as well.

^pretty much this would be optimal.

I loved classic EQ, but I did love Luclin and PoP just as much. I play here because the MMO market as a whole realized that innovation new development used to make farmville-esque MMOs give the most profit. Which is odd cause that push to that model seems to be WoW's downfall.

Though F2P vanguard may be the next answer, who knows, I just do not see a game that plays like Everquest from 1999-2002. Not even Everquest Live. So yes, I would love to see past velious, but i realize that this is not for profit and a limited staff so I hold no expectations for that.

[Alarti0001]

voted POP I loved luclin and pop raiding, had hood questing and leveling for alts too...just remove bazaar function and pok port stones.

Loved aa's too would make server pop consistently a lot higher

[webrunner5]

voted POP I loved luclin and pop raiding, had hood questing and leveling for alts too...just remove bazaar function and pok port stones.

Loved aa's too would make server pop consistently a lot higher

What he said.

[Grozmok]

The server pop can't handle more than Velious IMO. It's not like there aren't enough dead zones already with just Kunark.

[Alarti0001]

The server pop can't handle more than Velious IMO. It's not like there aren't enough dead zones already with just Kunark.

That's because people got 60 and quit playing, or quit playing other than raiding. Server pop used to be over 1k. Some zones deserve to be dead anyways. There is no such thing as a constantly successful game that doesn't provide new content or at least character progression

[Gwence]

I'd say all the expansions on the titanium client that gets used for this server are pretty much classic.

that's up to what? Dragons of Norrath?

[Grozmok]

There is no such thing as a constantly successful game that doesn't provide new content or at least character progression

That was exactly what killed EQ IIRC.

As the player based leveled up and moved on to experience the new content (with better items, exp and so on) it turned the lower level zones in wastelands. New players trying to find groups to level with in an extremely group dependent game (for the most part, there are classes that solo just fine) would more than likely have left in frustration.

I theorize that p99 will not suffer the same fate, since the content ceiling will keep players (1-30) in the majority of the non-Velious zones.

[Alarti0001]

That was exactly what killed EQ IIRC.

As the player based leveled up and moved on to experience the new content (with better items, exp and so on) it turned the lower level zones in wastelands. New players trying to find groups to level with in an extremely group dependent game (for the most part, there are classes that solo just fine) would more than likely have left in frustration.

I theorize that p99 will not suffer the same fate, since the content ceiling will keep players (1-30) in the majority of the non-Velious zones.

Most of the lower lvl content is solo'd duo'd nowadays so what are you talking about

[Danyelle]

I honestly don't know how clearer "The server will stop at Velious" can be.

Oh wait, I do.

i'm sorry that you're mad. I went out and bought this for you. I hope it helps.
http://blueshelled.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/baby-bottle-i-stock.jpg

You're gonna find people out there have differing opinions than you. When you hit 9 or 10 years old is when that should sink in.

Also:

The Classic brigade will vote Velious, if it happens to be losing they'll create troll accounts to spam the results. This will result in them being trolled because you could fill this whole first page with this poll and it still wouldn't change whatever nilbog has in store. Be it Velious or beyond.

Regardless I voted Luclin. But as stated I'd like it somewhat changed. Most notably the mob hp. Scaled down to a more Classic level to negate the 50 hour afk fights that Luclin had, especially in VT. The VT key was also kind of annoying but if you complain about the VT key yet loved the VP key then you're stupid. Sorry to say, but they're the exact same key, exact same time sink. Only difference is the P and T.

[Grozmok]

Most of the lower lvl content is solo'd duo'd nowadays so what are you talking about

Mostly true.

I group in Oasis at level 12.

http://www.gulfcoasteuros.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/shrug.gif

[Alarti0001]

Mostly true.

I group in Oasis at level 12.

http://www.gulfcoasteuros.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/shrug.gif

Still don't see your point though, a game should cater to mains to allow charater progression. There are only so many alts you can play, not to mention the large player base who doesn't enjoy playing alts. New content seems a must to ensure continuing play

[Plaidpants]

I like cats.

[Grozmok]

a game should cater to mains to allow charater progression.
^
I'm not disagreeing with this.
There are only so many alts you can play, not to mention the large player base who doesn't enjoy playing alts. New content seems a must to ensure continuing play
I'm referring to new players.

[happyhappy]

i'm sorry that you're mad. I went out and bought this for you. I hope it helps.
http://blueshelled.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/baby-bottle-i-stock.jpg

You're gonna find people out there have differing opinions than you. When you hit 9 or 10 years old is when that should sink in.

I always forget that disagreeing with you makes me a furious 10 year old unreasonable troll.

I was mearly citing the goal of the server to answer the original poster, I'm sorry if you find facts acts of aggression.

Simply put, the server was created with the idea that Velious would be the end of retail content, you come here and say that everyone that believe that what they signed up for is wrong and if they disagree, they are the ones unreasonable.

Do you go in restaurants and complain when they won't change their entire menu for you?

Also, that picture is rather offensive, as my mother died in a milk bottle accident.

[Danyelle]

I like cats.

http://www.urban.ne.jp/home/yurax/eq/nekoze01.jpg

I'd hit it

[Alarti0001]

^
I'm not disagreeing with this.

I'm referring to new players.

Needs of the many over the few I suppose

[Grozmok]

Needs of the many over the few I suppose

Theory of Utilitarianism has its own flaws, of course.

:D

[Danyelle]

I always forget that disagreeing with you makes me a furious 10 year old unreasonable troll.

I was mearly citing the goal of the server to answer the original poster, I'm sorry if you find facts acts of aggression.

Simply put, the server was created with the idea that Velious would be the end of retail content, you come here and say that everyone that believe that what they signed up for is wrong and if they disagree, they are the ones unreasonable.

Do you go in restaurants and complain when they won't serve you things that aren't on the menu?

Also, that picture is rather offensive, as my mother died in a milk bottle accident.

I didn't necessarily see it as aggressive. You were simply taking a not-serious thread as serious. I can't speak for the OP but I'm almost certain he didn't expect this poll to result in some content shift. I know I didn't. It's just interesting to get the numbers on peoples' views. Then you came in and shit on the parade by trying to imply the whole poll is pointless because 'nothing beyond Velious will ever come here anyway' when the poll, I'm sure, wasn't meant to be serious in the first place.

Also where have I EVER said this or anything like it:
you come here and say that everyone that believe that what they signed up for is wrong and if they disagree, they are the ones unreasonable.

Quote where I said it. I guarantee you misconstrued it. I never once said we should expect and accept later expansions on a Velious-max Classic server. The only things I have ever said is I defend my stance, and other peoples' stances, on liking Luclin+ because people are entitled to their opinions and people on these forums (The ones I have come to refer to as the "Classic Brigade") have a very bad habit of calling people out like they aren't allowed to like Luclin+ and are terrible people for doing so just because they don't. I'm pretty sure I've always vocally advocated people having their own opinions and respecting other people's opinions, be it on Everquest expansions or otherwise, and if ever I made a post that didn't reflect this viewpoint I apologize.

Also i'm terribly sorry about the bottle thing, they are rather dangerous what with the pointy nipple and the sharp corners :( lol

I'm not mad at you, nor do I hold any ill will towards you or whatever. In fact there is only two people on this entire forum I have ever been mad at or can say I dislike. I won't name them because this isn't RnF and even if it was I wouldn't name them anyway but, you just came into a not-serious thread trying to tell people (or rather, imply) whatever they post wouldn't happen, which I'm sure no one EVER expected anyway, and just generally tried to shit on the parade. I don't like that.

[happyhappy]

I would never poop on his parade, that would imply that I poop in public. I can't poop in public bathrooms, much less make a spectacle of it.

You like cats, I like facts, its just one letter away.

[Alarti0001]

Theory of Utilitarianism has its own flaws, of course.

:D

Ethically everything has flaws but this is due to the flawed nature of humans in general. If you want to have an awesome debate about ethics and the pros and cons of deontology consequentialism, utilitarianism or any other ethical view I am totally down.
However, in the end it depends on managements goals, I dont see a wipe and reboot option as viable for them. Especially if they want to keep a numerous and active player base.

[Danyelle]

I would never poop on his parade, that would imply that I poop in public. I can't poop in public bathrooms, much less make a spectacle of it.

You like cats, I like facts, its just one letter away.

We now have something in common. I now want you to be my friend. <3

[somnia]

I fucking loved Vah Shir for obvious reasons.

I found my love for bards when I made a vah shir...oh the good years wasted.

[happyhappy]

The only thing that I'll say in defense of the "classic brigade" like you call them (us?) is that most of them have been here since 2010, these threads have been made over and over, it got old a while ago. The horse has been beaten to the ground so many times that it could fuel a hummer.

Think of that like the one friend that keeps bringing up "watching sleepless in seatle" everytime your band of merry gentlemen bring up renting a movie, first time it was funny, after two years of the same its just annoying and meg ryan now makes you want to punch an infant everytime you hear her voice.

Also, if we change our social status from "mortal ideological enemies" to "friends" over our bathroom habit, would that make us poop buddies?

[Danyelle]

I fucking loved Vah Shir for obvious reasons.

I found my love for bards when I made a vah shir...oh the good years wasted.

I found Vah Shir made great shaman for some reason. It seemed many people agreed with me because the only race I have ever seen more shaman of was Troll after Luclin dropped. after Vah Shir was Iksar, then Barbarian/Ogre were tied for last Vah Shir were ok Bards but I've yet to see them beat out Wood elves/Half elves in popularity. Vah Shir and Iksar were most popular Beastlords. Almost no warriors were ever Vah Shir. That spot is still held by the unimaginative Ogres. I, personally, would roll a Wood Elf warrior. Because those are rather uncommon as well. In fact...I think I have an idea for an alt on this server! I just need a good name.....

[Danyelle]

The only thing that I'll say in defense of the "classic brigade" like you call them (us?) is that most of them have been here since 2010, these threads have been made over and over, it got old a while ago. The horse has been beaten to the ground so many times that it could fuel a hummer.

Think of that like the one friend that keeps bringing up "watching sleepless in seatle" everytime your band of merry gentlemen bring up renting a movie, first time it was funny, after two years of the same its just annoying and meg ryan now makes you want to punch an infant everytime you hear her voice.

Also, if we change our social status from "mortal ideological enemies" to "friends" over our bathroom habit, would that make us poop buddies?

I never considered you a 'mortal enemy' man :P

And yeah I suppose it does. lol

[Grozmok]

If you want to have an awesome debate about ethics and the pros and cons of deontology consequentialism, utilitarianism or any other ethical view I am totally down.

I would, but I've got fungis to farm, sorry bro.

[Danyelle]

I would, but I've got fungis to farm, sorry bro.

http://i.imgur.com/1QMzc.png

[Artah]

I just wanted to see how other people thought about the other expansions, nothing to do with getting past velious here at all but never know what's in the future. I would consider any eq1 expansion a classic if it's been years since they were released. I enjoy playing the old expansions for sure including kunark but I wanted to know if others are thinking about encounters like the stronghold of the twelve. Anything past pop is poop though.

[Alelo]

Space cats was were it was at.

[Alarti0001]

I just wanted to see how other people thought about the other expansions, nothing to do with getting past velious here at all but never know what's in the future. I would consider any eq1 expansion a classic if it's been years since they were released. I enjoy playing the old expansions for sure including kunark but I wanted to know if others are thinking about encounters like the stronghold of the twelve. Anything past pop is poop though.

absolutely love Ssra, Griegs, and The Deep raids in luclin, and pretty much all of the raids in PoP. Ssra are some of the best raids around imo

[Alarti0001]

http://i.imgur.com/b5MJJ.png

LOL AWESOME

[Danyelle]

absolutely love Ssra, Griegs, and The Deep raids in luclin, and pretty much all of the raids in PoP. Ssra are some of the best raids around imo

Shissar demi-god race reporting in!

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6986/eq000014.jpg

[Alukit Vassago]

Still don't see your point though, a game should cater to mains to allow charater progression. There are only so many alts you can play, not to mention the large player base who doesn't enjoy playing alts. New content seems a must to ensure continuing play

for that matter, why not just play live~? if you want new content all the time added it just seem a bit pointless now that its F2P & you would get your wants of new content ;)

[Slave]

Voted Velious, with Bazaar functionality added... somewhere.

[kennyhughes]

I loved the Bazaar. Something about being able to turn yourself into a clickable vendor just seemed awesome to me.

Wouldn't mind if it stopped at Velious though.

[Alarti0001]

for that matter, why not just play live~? if you want new content all the time added it just seem a bit pointless now that its F2P & you would get your wants of new content ;)

Obvious answer, PoP/Velious/Luclin/Kunark are not relevant. Also, Mercs and shiz.

This server is working on 2 years with only kunark out its not like we are in any danger of seeing PoP next friday.

[jimthayner]

I voted Luclin. The biggest reason being it actually got rid of a lot of EQ's downsides without fucking up the original version of the game. Luclin is a good mix of innovations that helped the game without getting too far away from its original incarnation. PoP completely rewrote the game, whereas Luclin was EQ at its highest.

[Lagaidh]

I voted Velious. But I would not mind seeing AAs introduced and Veksar. I LOVED Veksar with a passion. In fact... I think my live version of Lagaidh has been logged out there for years now =)

In live I played fairly consistently from 99 to 05. I have to say that much of the content past PoP was white noise to me. I did do some OoW, GoD and DoD raiding. My favorite raiding was PoP. I still hate that I lost my "You have slain Quarm!!" screenie as paladins didn't often get the kill shot.

The time of the game being completely magical ended for me with the release of Luclin. About a week and a half into it was the first time I regretted buying an EQ expansion. My vote is for the nostalgic magic! I've so thoroughly enjoyed myself here. It's everything I could have wanted.

Minor gripes:
- I liked maps (but I also enjoy really knowing a zone, too).
- I wouldn't mind seeing shared bank slots for xfers.
- I liked spell sets and the right-click spell menu.

I guess any gripes I have are UI based and not content based. VELIOUS!

[Lagaidh]

My favorite AAs as a paladin?

Two-handed Bash
Slay Undead

Even though I said I'd like to see AAs here, I really wonder... It became one more avenue in which one was expected to keep up with the Joneses. "Don't have the tanking AAs? Get lost." Or even worse later in EQ when you simply couldn't perform your basic role without certain AAs... I was always a paladin so that's what I knew.

[Haul]

Luclin was awesome.

[Uteunayr]

I voted Luclin, because the upgraded dark elf graphics were pretty boss. I didn't care much for AAs, and I especially didn't like the de-personalization of trade that came about from the bazaar... But I liked looking even more awesome in my robes. :D

Plus, exploring the moon was very interesting to me, and I never got to do it as I quit EQ shortly after Luclin came out for DAoC, so I'd still enjoy seeing it more.

[Scavrefamn]

Pretty sure most P99 players dislike the way the Bazaar changed the game.

Speak for yourself, slick.

I know -many- people who would love to have the bazaar over EC and very few who prefer the spam-afk-in-lowbie-zone method we have now.

[Faisca]

Stop at Velious, no more expansions, no custom content.

One year after the release of Velious, open a secondary server, a classic progression server, ending in whatever expansion with whatever custom content you want to add. Wipe it at some point if you feel like it, and start over. I don’t care.

Bottom line, blue server should stop at Velious and remain untouched for as long as possible.

The ones who will get bored with it, which are the hardcore players, can move elsewhere, unblocking content for others who are not interested in the poopsocking type of play.

[SamwiseRed]

Stop at Velious, no more expansions, no custom content.

One year after the release of Velious, open a secondary server, a classic progression server, ending in whatever expansion with whatever custom content you want to add. Wipe it at some point if you feel like it, and start over. I don’t care.

Bottom line, blue server should stop at Velious and remain untouched for as long as possible.

The ones who will get bored with it, which are the hardcore players, can move elsewhere, unblocking content for others who are not interested in the poopsocking type of play.

you realize that you dont have to poopsock said content if you dont want to.

[Malrubius]

If there were just one server in existence that stopped at Velious, it would be soooo awesome, so I voted for that.

[webrunner5]

I just can't see this server stopping at Velious. I know nilbog has said it. But do you really think even when Velious comes out here in say 4 months from now that we will all be content to play that for the next 3 years without any kind of update. What will nilbog have to do and the devs??. They will bored to crap along with us. I think other than starting a new server this one will die like Red is doing without some new expansion or at least AA's.

[envino]

I voted Luclin, because the upgraded dark elf graphics were pretty boss. I didn't care much for AAs, and I especially didn't like the de-personalization of trade that came about from the bazaar... But I liked looking even more awesome in my robes. :D

Plus, exploring the moon was very interesting to me, and I never got to do it as I quit EQ shortly after Luclin came out for DAoC, so I'd still enjoy seeing it more.

You know you can have the upgraded graphics right now right?

[webrunner5]

You know you can have the upgraded graphics right now right?

I had them for awhile and went back to the original. Just didn't seem right on here. But the Armor was killer looking. Not the toons though.

But you are right. You can have them now thanks to the effort of Danyelle and others.

[Faisca]

you realize that you dont have to poopsock said content if you dont want to.

I'd rather have the server wiped out than move to Red. ;)

AAs would kill the game in the mid-levels as everyone would be loading their level 60s mains with more and more AAs, and new players coming in wouldn’t find anyone to group with.

The server would die faster with AAs than without them.

[Alarti0001]

Speak for yourself, slick.

I know -many- people who would love to have the bazaar over EC

Confused!

However, past polls and many threads, conversations demonstrate that many people disliked what the bazaar did to eq. This was the biggest criticism of luclin, well that and space cats. Neither of which bothered me.

[roks1]

All of them -- bring out all the challenging encounters because challenges are fun!

[Chubbler]

Why do "space cats" break the fantasy setting? Plane of Fear/Hate/Sky seem a little more "out there" to me, tbh. At least Luclin is a physical world, not some exotic plane existing in an infinite void.
People can port all over the world, and translocate into alternate dimensions, but they can't employ that same magic to get to the habitable moon? Habitable by the blessings of Luclin herself, of course.

Call it lame for the bazaar, automatic basic continental teleports, and absurdly high mob HPs, but to attack it for having "cats in space" is beyond silly. Look at the rest of the game. Frogmen, Butterfly drakes, sentient ooze pools, RAPTORS!? I honestly find it easier to go along with some Kerra being transported to the moon in an accident during an Erudian magical battle, than raptors without any other sort of dinosaur. Magic exists in EQ, teleportation exists, and even the ability to create artificial atmospheres (all those places where water is held back by an invisible force-field, like in CT or the pot room in OOT.)

D&D, arguably one of the most recognizable "brands" of fantasy fiction, has aliens and space travel. EQ is also somewhat based on D&D, or at least heavily inspired by it. Maybe they should've went with a Giant Space Hamster expansion instead . . .


All that said, though, I realize this server will probably never see Luclin and beyond. Luclin was the first expansion that attempted to truly scale spell casters, so it's naturally one of my favorites.

[Lagaidh]

I've always been in the "I hate what the bazaar" did to the game camp. I'm also willing to understand that what I and others like about face-to-face trading is excruciating to those that don't care to trade- just game.

Original EQ was a world. Worlds have conflict, resolution, an economy, and so on...

I loved the economy of face-to-face trading. I like to haggle. I understand that many don't. It's obvious when I trade all the time. Very few folks even attempt to haggle. I always list my price. Few folks haggle and make a counteroffer. When they do, it's game time!

I've never looted an item in game worth more than 2000p, but my toon and my wife's toon are fairly well geared AND I managed to purchase the pieces to a full suit of rubicite. I only ever got a bracer and boots in live, so I wanted to get that set here =)

Ah! Farming, selling, buying, selling! One stop shop! I'll cut a deal, I'll haggle! Most droppable items drop in EC!

Okay. I realize I'm silly, but I love non-bazaar trading. With the bazaar, there was almost never room for haggling. Even if there were, it was almost never instant. Leave a tell... come back later.... *sigh*

[Hitchens]

Space cats do not break the fantasy setting, but they would break the atmosphere the server strives for.

This same debate happens on UO emulators that attempt to recreate a certain atmosphere. There's always a group of people who want new housing designs and there's always a group of people who want to maintain the atmosphere they signed up for in the first place.

[Danyelle]

I should clarify my response. When I voted Luclin I did NOT do so with the hope that P99 Blue itself progressed forward past Velious. My hope, and the one I had in mind when I voted, is that once the P99 timeline goal is reached that Nilbog create a copy server (akin to how Blue/Red work now), leaving the original P99 permanently stagnant at Velious (or possibly wipe/rerolls) while the new one progresses forward with Luclin or custom content. This way both parties are pleased. And since they seem capable of hosting two servers already I don't see the huge issue were they to do this. And if a lack of developers/world builders was the issue I myself would gladly volunteer.

The reason I say this is, while you may be content living a 13 year old nostalgic dream at a permanently stagnant growth rate forever or wiping and rerolling and wasting days upon weeks to get back to the top over and over, I would not be, and many people share this sentiment. For us once P99 hit that time the server would grow bland and we would leave. The best option to appease both parties is two servers. Then of course they can troll each other on the forums like Blue/Red do now. With new threads popping up in P99's Server General every week telling people to "roll P01 and play kitties!".

[Hitchens]

People always grow bored of emulators and leave and they are replaced by new players who will eventually grow bored and leave as well. And the cycle goes on.

[Grozmok]

With the bazaar, there was almost never room for haggling.

The bazaar was good for keeping prices down. The thing I hated about it the most, is that people would undercut you by 1pp. In most cases, this was good enough to get their item sold.

[Lagaidh]

The bazaar was good for keeping prices down. The thing I hated about it the most, is that people would undercut you by 1pp. In most cases, this was good enough to get their item sold.

If people would effin' haggle, prices would set themselves in the same manner.

When I went shopping for an item in the bazaar, and found one for 1p less than another... I'd buy the higher priced one just because I thought the 1p less was a dick move. Kind of like The Price Is Right bidding... A bids 100 B bids 101 and wins...

I always thought, if you're going to undercut, then DO it! If someone has an item up at 200... a proper undercut is 185.

I always price matched (as I do in EC) and let fate decide who sold.

[Uteunayr]

You know you can have the upgraded graphics right now right?

I did not know this, lol.

<-- Derp.

[Celedor]

When I went shopping for an item in the bazaar, and found one for 1p less than another... I'd buy the higher priced one just because I thought the 1p less was a dick move. Kind of like The Price Is Right bidding... A bids 100 B bids 101 and wins...


That's great! I would do exactly the same thing. Undercutting by 1p just seemed a weiner move.

[Danyelle]

I did not know this, lol.

<-- Derp.

In my sig if you need the link.

[Acillatem]

Velious is like Metallica's "...And Justice For All" album. Last album I could listen to front to back was Justice....after that I found myself picking and choosing what I did/didn't like.

Same thing with EQ. Velious was the last expansion I was 100% content with. After that, I found myself picking and choosing between the pros and cons of each expansion. I felt Luclin/PoP had enough Pros to balance out the Cons, unfortunately beyond that the Cons consistently started to outweigh the Pros.

I feel most of the community agrees with this concept, so it's pointless for me to blah blah blah my opinions on what I didn't like/dislike, but I think since the devs have mentioned "custom content past Velious", it is something for us to start to think about once Velious is released.

[Grozmok]

Velious is like Metallica's "...And Justice For All" album. Last album I could listen to front to back was Justice....after that I found myself picking and choosing what I did/didn't like.

Same thing with EQ. Velious was the last expansion I was 100% content with. After that, I found myself picking and choosing between the pros and cons of each expansion. I felt Luclin/PoP had enough Pros to balance out the Cons, unfortunately beyond that the Cons consistently started to outweigh the Pros.

I feel most of the community agrees with this concept, so it's pointless for me to blah blah blah my opinions on what I didn't like/dislike, but I think since the devs have mentioned "custom content past Velious", it is something for us to start to think about once Velious is released.

Someone from TMO said something I agree with 100%?

:confused:

I just got a call from Satan, he's fucking pissed that it's freezing down there.

[Scavrefamn]

I always thought, if you're going to undercut, then DO it! If someone has an item up at 200... a proper undercut is 185.


There is no "proper" undercut, anything that is one unit of the lowest currency less than the other lowest price for said item is 100% perfectly valid.

This extends to real life as well, there are no intrinsic "rules" to sales.

Bazaar ftw btw.

[Scavrefamn]

This was the biggest criticism of luclin

What?


What are your sources? because everyone I have spoken to, on live and private servers, has agreed with me that the bazaar was one of the best features in Luclin.

The biggest criticisms were:
- Cats on the moon (for the anti cat people)
- The beginning of gear mudflation
- Incomplete content on release (Lord Inquisitor Seru/Vex Thal)
- Massive time sinks (Keys)


For someone to state that "The Bazaar was one of the biggest criticisms of Luclin" makes it clear that they have no idea what they are talking about.

[Alarti0001]

What?


What are your sources? because everyone I have spoken to, on live and private servers, has agreed with me that the bazaar was one of the best features in Luclin.

The biggest criticisms were:
- Cats on the moon (for the anti cat people)
- The beginning of gear mudflation
- Incomplete content on release (Lord Inquisitor Seru/Vex Thal)
- Massive time sinks (Keys)


For someone to state that "The Bazaar was one of the biggest criticisms of Luclin" makes it clear that they have no idea what they are talking about.

What are your sources? because everyone I have spoken to, on live and private servers, has agreed with me that the bazaar was one of the worst features in Luclin.

this information was taken by past polls on this forum. "Classicists" think that the bazaar and PoK trivialized the old world and made it non-necessary.

Not that i agree with past polls i kinda liked the bazaar cause I am lazy with my buying/selling

For someone to state that "The Bazaar wasn't one of the biggest criticisms of Luclin" makes it clear that they have no idea what they are talking about.