This server is very amazing and yet very disappointing at the same time

[SpeedyBanana]

I like the idea of this server and it seems very polished. There is a decent enough player base, the website / forum is great, the wiki is fantastic, and the overall quality is spectacular for a free server.

But why not allow more than one character (box) at a time? It's a PVE server after all... I don't see how that would negatively impact anyone's experience... on the contrary it would actually allow people to level up faster, create their own group if they can't find one, and see much of the content of this game either solo or with a friend.

I used to play on the Vallon/Tallon Zek PVP server on EQEmu where they allowed up to two characters at once per player. Me and a friend of mine grouped up and our party of 4 got us to level 50 relatively quickly and we were able to see much of the game's content from 1- 50 just by ourselves. It was a great deal of fun. We would have played it much longer but the PVP aspect of that server really ruined the experience as it attracted a lot of douchey / elitist players.

I thought about coming back and trying EQEmu again and Project1999 seemed like the best option... until I read that you guys don't allow more than one box at a time. WHY!?!?!?!

I rolled a Necromancer and decided to give it a shot anyways, figuring that maybe there wasn't a lot of need to run multiple characters to level up easily. It didn't take long to notice that the exp rates are horrendous. It took 15-20 minutes to grind up to level 2 and after measuring the exp rates a little more closely I estimated that it would take another 1-2 hours and about 120 blue skeleton kills before I would get to level 3.

This is absurd!

We're all drawn here because we want to relive the classic EQ experience, but I think that experience has more to do with the harsh death penalty, lack of maps, lack of compass, etc... not so much the horrendous grind.

I by no means advocate killing 3 mobs and gaining 5 levels or anything like that, but not everyone has the time to dedicate countless hours every week to killing mobs just to level up on this server. I also don't always have time to find and organize groups either and it doesn't seem like you can do much on your own on this server since you are only allowed to play one character at a time.

[CallnOutTheNubs]

if u wanna 2box go elsewhere fag

Forum Suspension for Trolling

[SpeedyBanana]

if u wanna 2box go elsewhere fag

Heh... so much for the "mature" community this server tries to portray...

[mwatt]

I like the idea of this server and it seems very polished. There is a decent enough player base, the website / forum is great, the wiki is fantastic, and the overall quality is spectacular for a free server.

But why not allow more than one character (box) at a time? It's a PVE server after all... I don't see how that would negatively impact anyone's experience... on the contrary it would actually allow people to level up faster, create their own group if they can't find one, and see much of the content of this game either solo or with a friend.

I used to play on the Vallon/Tallon Zek PVP server on EQEmu where they allowed up to two characters at once per player. Me and a friend of mine grouped up and our party of 4 got us to level 50 relatively quickly and we were able to see much of the game's content from 1- 50 just by ourselves. It was a great deal of fun. We would have played it much longer but the PVP aspect of that server really ruined the experience as it attracted a lot of douchey / elitist players.

I thought about coming back and trying EQEmu again and Project1999 seemed like the best option... until I read that you guys don't allow more than one box at a time. WHY!?!?!?!

I rolled a Necromancer and decided to give it a shot anyways, figuring that maybe there wasn't a lot of need to run multiple characters to level up easily. It didn't take long to notice that the exp rates are horrendous. It took 15-20 minutes to grind up to level 2 and after measuring the exp rates a little more closely I estimated that it would take another 1-2 hours and about 120 blue skeleton kills before I would get to level 3.

This is absurd!

We're all drawn here because we want to relive the classic EQ experience, but I think that experience has more to do with the harsh death penalty, lack of maps, lack of compass, etc... not so much the horrendous grind.

I by no means advocate killing 3 mobs and gaining 5 levels or anything like that, but not everyone has the time to dedicate countless hours every week to killing mobs just to level up on this server. I also don't always have time to find and organize groups either and it doesn't seem like you can do much on your own on this server since you are only allowed to play one character at a time.

The "grind" as you put it, is part of how it was. The key is in appreciating the journey, not postponing enjoyment until you reach some plateau.

As for the ban on 2 boxing, it promotes grouping. Back in the day there was less two boxing because it demanded a sophisticatin from players and equipment that only existed as an exception to the norm. Nowadays, people are more technically sophisticated and their rigs can handle multiboxing with no problem. Ergo to approximate classicness, which is the theme of the server, a ban on two boxing had to be enacted. (This paragraph represents my own thinking on the matter. I am not sure if this encompasses the actual reason(s))

[Silentone]

you keep saying solo and by yourself. This is an MMO the whole point is for you to have to interact with other people. If boxing was allowed, all the hermits would horde camps to themselves and the current anti social behaviors of other MMO's would start lurking in our world. NO thanks..

[Slave]

The one-player model is without a doubt the reason why P99 is the number one Everquest server. It promotes the social aspects of the game, and without that, you have no original EQ. There are lots of other servers that allow boxing. None are even 1/4 the real population of P99. Starting to get the picture?

The experience rate is very close to what it was Classically. Again, without this, you have people leveling up very quickly and becoming bored. The server is already top-heavy enough as it is. Classic experience rates are needed to promote grouping at all levels. Everquest is Everquest because you feel a very real sense of accomplishment when you do succeed despite heavy odds and time against you.

If you're actually complaining about experience at level 1, I suggest you find a more instant gratification game such as World of Warcraft. Oh wait, you're here for a Classic EQ experience? Then why don't you just keep trying and see what happens.

[somnia]

I like the idea of this server and it seems very polished. There is a decent enough player base, the website / forum is great, the wiki is fantastic, and the overall quality is spectacular for a free server.

But why not allow more than one character (box) at a time? It's a PVE server after all... I don't see how that would negatively impact anyone's experience... on the contrary it would actually allow people to level up faster, create their own group if they can't find one, and see much of the content of this game either solo or with a friend.

I used to play on the Vallon/Tallon Zek PVP server on EQEmu where they allowed up to two characters at once per player. Me and a friend of mine grouped up and our party of 4 got us to level 50 relatively quickly and we were able to see much of the game's content from 1- 50 just by ourselves. It was a great deal of fun. We would have played it much longer but the PVP aspect of that server really ruined the experience as it attracted a lot of douchey / elitist players.

I thought about coming back and trying EQEmu again and Project1999 seemed like the best option... until I read that you guys don't allow more than one box at a time. WHY!?!?!?!

I rolled a Necromancer and decided to give it a shot anyways, figuring that maybe there wasn't a lot of need to run multiple characters to level up easily. It didn't take long to notice that the exp rates are horrendous. It took 15-20 minutes to grind up to level 2 and after measuring the exp rates a little more closely I estimated that it would take another 1-2 hours and about 120 blue skeleton kills before I would get to level 3.

This is absurd!

We're all drawn here because we want to relive the classic EQ experience, but I think that experience has more to do with the harsh death penalty, lack of maps, lack of compass, etc... not so much the horrendous grind.

I by no means advocate killing 3 mobs and gaining 5 levels or anything like that, but not everyone has the time to dedicate countless hours every week to killing mobs just to level up on this server. I also don't always have time to find and organize groups either and it doesn't seem like you can do much on your own on this server since you are only allowed to play one character at a time.

This server's goal is recreate classic to the T and nothing less.

[tekniq]

Another detrimental effect of two-boxing is being able to monopolize camps. i.e. crypt, fungi king, and other high end camps.

[mwatt]

In defense of the OP, I wish I could two box sometimes too. Just like I wish I could eat an entire package of oreos in one sitting. I want to do it, but I know it would be bad for me.

[CallnOutTheNubs]

you keep saying solo and by yourself. This is an MMO the whole point is for you to have to interact with other people. If boxing was allowed, all the hermits would horde camps to themselves and the current anti social behaviors of other MMO's would start lurking in our world. NO thanks..

+1 i just didnt care enough to explain

[Atmas]

you keep saying solo and by yourself. This is an MMO the whole point is for you to have to interact with other people. If boxing was allowed, all the hermits would horde camps to themselves and the current anti social behaviors of other MMO's would start lurking in our world. NO thanks..

Yep. The problem with many other MMOs is that not having to interact with other people to progress makes for a player base with bad manners who tend to have an inability to play their classes effectively.

Boxing would be so rampant on this server if it was allowed.

[Grozmok]

This. Boxing destroyed EQ live.

And a bajillion other things.

OP: Group up with other players, you'll find some cool people out there.

[SpeedyBanana]

you keep saying solo and by yourself. This is an MMO the whole point is for you to have to interact with other people. If boxing was allowed, all the hermits would horde camps to themselves and the current anti social behaviors of other MMO's would start lurking in our world. NO thanks..

You're missing the point...

If I want to a do a certain dungeon and there is no group available there's not much I can do about it. If I want to play at odd hours of the night there's not much I can do about that either. Maybe I only have 30 minutes to play and would like to get something done...well... too bad for me right?

Multi-boxing doesn't ruin the game or ruin the social aspects of the game either. Everyone would prefer to be in a group as a number of individual players are going to do much better than one person running multiple accounts. Not to mention it would be a lot more fun as well. There are less people playing on this server than on some shitty web browser strategy game. You're not always going to have a group available and if you decide to roll a solo class you'll likely run into the problem of not being wanted in better groups down the line.

I also have no idea what you're talking about when you say "the current anti social behaviors of other MMO's would start lurking in our world." Have you ever even played any other MMOs because it sounds like you're just pulling assumptions out of your ass.

[Hitchens]

It's actually pretty surprising how one can stumble upon other people to play with in out of the way places. Or use the /who command and look for people with the LFG tag on and make a group to hit up the dungeon you have in mind. Meet people, make friends, etc.

There are solutions to your concerns that do not require two boxing.

[tristantio]

You're actually incorrect on a few things - if boxing were allowed, everyone who wants to make an alt would simply power level their alt.

As it is currently, you will often find heavily twinked players LFG, which gives a nice boost to your XP as an untwinked player.

When you say, "Everyone would prefer to be in a group", that is flat out false - if boxing were allowed I would be using my higher level toons to make an army of alts.

If boxing were not limited to 2 accounts, I would be running a full group (any PC can do this nowadays).

Regarding anti-social behavior in other MMORPG's, if you've played any you will notice a big lack of community when compared to p99.

[Safon]

If you insist on boxing, do it elsewhere. Or risk doing it here and get banned 20 levels down the road

[Atmas]

You're missing the point...

If I want to a do a certain dungeon and there is no group available there's not much I can do about it. If I want to play at odd hours of the night there's not much I can do about that either. Maybe I only have 30 minutes to play and would like to get something done...well... too bad for me right?

Multi-boxing doesn't ruin the game or ruin the social aspects of the game either. Everyone would prefer to be in a group as a number of individual players are going to do much better than one person running multiple accounts. Not to mention it would be a lot more fun as well. There are less people playing on this server than on some shitty web browser strategy game. You're not always going to have a group available and if you decide to roll a solo class you'll likely run into the problem of not being wanted in better groups down the line.

I also have no idea what you're talking about when you say "the current anti social behaviors of other MMO's would start lurking in our world." Have you ever even played any other MMOs because it sounds like you're just pulling assumptions out of your ass.

I think you are missing the point sir. This is a classic server designed to emulate the classic experience. The Devs have even adjusted items from their classic implementation because present knowledge has made people aware of exploits.

If you can't solo muscle your way through a dungeon in half an hour that is part of the experience. There are a ton of other servers that let you run around in God mode if that is what you want.

As far as boxing goes, I never boxed on live but I did while I played on another Emu Server, EZ server. I felt compelled to box to advance, and while I often included people who were single boxing and lfg, many others did not. I ran around 8 toons at once and others did less, the same or more. Many people don't want to split loot with others when they have their own characters to gear.

I wasn't the one who originally talked about the anti-social aspects of current MMOs but I will atest to them and have played many MMOs includling but not limited to: EQ2, WoW, Star Trek Online, Warhammer Online, Vanguard and more. WoW was a good game when it first came out, but as it catered more and more to easy play it had a detrimental impact to the player base. Many people made it to max level never grouping with other players and were clueless or just didn't care about polite play. I'm not going to say everyone or every game was like that but I can definitely draw a coorelation with player attitudes as gameplay approaches an online single player game.

[Safon]

I think you are missing the point sir. This is a classic server designed to emulate the classic experience. The Devs have even adjusted items from their classic implementation because present knowledge has made people aware of exploits.

If you can't solo muscle your way through a dungeon in half an hour that is part of the experience. There are a ton of other servers that let you run around in God mode if that is what you want.

As far as boxing goes, I never boxed on live but I did while I played on another Emu Server, EZ server. I felt compelled to box to advance, and while I often included people who were single boxing and lfg, many others did not. I ran around 8 toons at once and others did less, the same or more. Many people don't want to split loot with others when they have their own characters to gear.

I wasn't the one who originally talked about the anti-social aspects of current MMOs but I will atest to them and have played many MMOs includling but not limited to: EQ2, WoW, Star Trek Online, Warhammer Online, Vanguard and more. WoW was a good game when it first came out, but as it catered more and more to easy play it had a detrimental impact to the player base. Many people made it to max level never grouping with other players and were clueless or just didn't care about polite play. I'm not going to say everyone or every game was like that but I can definitely draw a coorelation with player attitudes as gameplay approaches an online single player game.

+1

Seriously op, if you wish to box do it on another server.

[Slave]

You're missing the point...

If I want to a do a certain dungeon and there is no group available there's not much I can do about it. If I want to play at odd hours of the night there's not much I can do about that either. Maybe I only have 30 minutes to play and would like to get something done...well... too bad for me right?




Why don't you roll a character that has both solo and group ability instead of sitting there at level 2 talking about how the experience is so slow, and you'll never get groups at night, and flaming people who have been here and actually played more than three hours? Just try the damn game already. If you don't see a group in a dungeon that you want to farm, then MAKE ONE. Be proactive instead of shitting up forums with your noobish conjectures.

[fadetree]

I wish I could 2 box as well. But I'm glad I can't.

[Kaino]

if u wanna 2box go elsewhere fag

[Lazortag]

If it takes you 120 blue skeletons to get to level 3, that's because the skeletons are half your level, so they give very little experience. Try fighting mobs that are your level or perhaps a bit higher.

[Brimacombe]

Take a moment and imagine how much the bandwidth costs on this server each month. Consider also that this game is lightly donated and as such does not have an income from subscriptions.
If boxing were allowed, most would do it, leading no no groups whatsoever... for the three weeks it would take for the server to go under for financial reasons.

- Brimacombe

[Faywind]

You're missing the point...

If I want to a do a certain dungeon and there is no group available there's not much I can do about it. If I want to play at odd hours of the night there's not much I can do about that either. Maybe I only have 30 minutes to play and would like to get something done...well... too bad for me right?

Multi-boxing doesn't ruin the game or ruin the social aspects of the game either. Everyone would prefer to be in a group as a number of individual players are going to do much better than one person running multiple accounts. Not to mention it would be a lot more fun as well. There are less people playing on this server than on some shitty web browser strategy game. You're not always going to have a group available and if you decide to roll a solo class you'll likely run into the problem of not being wanted in better groups down the line.

I also have no idea what you're talking about when you say "the current anti social behaviors of other MMO's would start lurking in our world." Have you ever even played any other MMOs because it sounds like you're just pulling assumptions out of your ass.


Yes, too bad for you. This is classic EQ. You aren't supposed to accomplish something in 30 minutes, that's what makes this game so much more gratifying when you finally do accomplish something.

If you only have 30 minutes to play and need that sense of accomplishment, you should go find another MMO. You won't win a two-boxing argument here sir.

[maahes]

Take a moment and imagine how much the bandwidth costs on this server each month. Consider also that this game is lightly donated and as such does not have an income from subscriptions.
If boxing were allowed, most would do it, leading no no groups whatsoever... for the three weeks it would take for the server to go under for financial reasons.

- Brimacombe

You make bold statements, please provide some factual data to support these wild claims.

[maahes]

Yes, too bad for you. This is classic EQ. You aren't supposed to accomplish something in 30 minutes, that's what makes this game so much more gratifying when you finally do accomplish something.

If you only have 30 minutes to play and need that sense of accomplishment, you should go find another MMO. You won't win a two-boxing argument here sir.

Faywind is correct though. "You won't win a two-boxing argument here sir".

The nerd rage on P99 is hardcore! In fact 90% of the posts on this forum are just nerds raging.

[thrump]

Classic EQ was limited by the fact that those who two (or three, etc) boxed were not only limited by the computers of the time, but by the fact that subscriptions were all paid. With many of us students at the time, both were limiting factors.

10 years later on a free emulated server, for most of us neither is a factor to the degree it was then. Boxing would destroy the server.

Yeah, I miss the enchanter I boxed on live -- but the server wouldn't be the same if we all did so. Its worth staying at one each, truly. Make some buddies.

[Safon]

Faywind is correct though. "You won't win a two-boxing argument here sir".

The nerd rage on P99 is hardcore! In fact 90% of the posts on this forum are just nerds raging.

This guys mad

[somnia]

In theory no boxing promotes interaction but P1999 is aging and not many new players filtering here so, while this isn't absolute, the norm is you find a lot of solo classes or lower level twinks either being PLed or soloing until mid levels (30-40's).

End game raiding is dominated by 1 guild because they're the only ones who care enough to stay on top of tracking and logging in immediately when targets spawn so once you hit max level if you aren't in that guild then you basically get to clear planar trash, kill solo/groupable names, and start new characters.

If n-boxing were allowed I'd probably write some ghost scripts and solo raid targets.

[Slave]

not many new players filtering here

Join Date: April 2012.

You're not alone either; I have seen more new people in the last 4 months than ever before.

[Scavrefamn]

if u wanna 2box go elsewhere fag

[Supaskillz]

boxing destroys social element

[Danyelle]

boxing more than two characters destroys social element

^^^

In my opinion two characters max isn't bad. Because it allows things like an extra hand when groups aren't possible (be it day worker who plays nights, or different timezones etc) and also allows for easy and safe item transfers etc without shared bank needing to be implemented (and can even exceed the size of shared bank) not to mention not having to choose between trading in EC or grinding xp/gear.

Beyond two toons however it gets to the point no one EVER would want to invite anyone else to a group and they become recluses. Having played PEQ and EZ I've seen this first hand. The thing with allowing a 2-box max, though, is it'd be kinda hard to enforce. I suppose no harder than allowing IP exemptions on a 1-toon only server but still...not permitting boxing at all is just an easier means and, in my opinion, the lesser of two evils.

[somnia]

^^^

In my opinion two characters max isn't bad. Because it allows things like an extra hand when groups aren't possible (be it day worker who plays nights, or different timezones etc) and also allows for easy and safe item transfers etc without shared bank needing to be implemented (and can even exceed the size of shared bank) not to mention not having to choose between trading in EC or grinding xp/gear.

Beyond two toons however it gets to the point no one EVER would want to invite anyone else to a group and they become recluses. Having played PEQ and EZ I've seen this first hand. The thing with allowing a 2-box max, though, is it'd be kinda hard to enforce. I suppose no harder than allowing IP exemptions on a 1-toon only server but still...not permitting boxing at all is just an easier means and, in my opinion, the lesser of two evils.

I'm a fan of 2-boxing on low-pop servers like this one. Allows for people to experience more content without totally destroying the social atmosphere. Don't see a huge issue with it.

We can dream - unlikely to ever change given nothing major changes here.

[Nagash]

We're all drawn here because we want to relive the classic EQ experience, but I think that experience has more to do with the harsh death penalty, lack of maps, lack of compass, etc... not so much the horrendous grind.

You got that right SpeedyBanana, and that's why we're all here. This free house held by some fine hosts is mostely to our liking, think almost everyone will agree with me despite whatever argument they may have with each other. Welcome home :)

Petitpas/Nagash/Jinbao/Moonskin/Chilper (yes, I'm an altoholic)

[Safon]

The boxing rule has been firmly in place since the server's inception, back when we are astonished to reach a population near 300. "Declining" or not, the pop is more than double that now. Boxing rules aren't going to change.

[Grahm]

im pretty sure Danyelle is a dude if that changes your perspective on the game at what you're dealing with.

[Danyelle]

im pretty sure Danyelle is a dude if that changes your perspective on the game at what you're dealing with.

I'm uncertain as to who you're directing this to, what they are dealing with, or what my gender has to do with anything. :P lol

[Scavrefamn]

Every other server ever allows for multi boxing.

What is with the insistence by these scummy two boxers to two box on the ONE server that does not allow it?
They do not make sense.

[Torin_Stormchaser]

I think that if you want to two box, or complain about not being able to find a group when you are on, that you should find a friend in real life and introduce them to the game. You could call them up and ask if they would be willing to jump on for 30 minutes, help you out for a short bit, and in that way we would increase the server size and you don't have to complain about not finding a group.
As for wanting to accomplish something within 30 minutes, just play. Enjoy the 30 minutes. Talk to people, group with people, kill a few things. It's not about leveling. It's about enjoying the adventure and maybe even meeting a few new friends.

[Danyelle]

Every other server ever allows for multi boxing.

What is with the insistence by these scummy two boxers to two box on the ONE server that does not allow it?
They do not make sense.

Ignoring the fact that, at the very least, I didn't insist in any way, ignoring the fact you're calling people 'scummy' for no real reason, and ignoring the fact that you seem to have a very large stick in or around your ass in regards to this topic due to your incessant need to be a dick in every post regarding boxing or the possibility of boxing (such as your unnecessary use of the term 'fag' in the second post), your post STILL makes no sense (ironically). This is because, while there may be other servers that allow boxing, there is no CLASSIC servers that do. People playing Project 1999 want to play Classic Everquest. Thus, your point is moot.

[Scavrefamn]

such as your unnecessary use of the term 'fag' in the second post

Clearly someone is very confused.

I'd also like to point out the irony of someone saying that the term "Fag" is unnecessary and immature when they are constantly swearing.

[Tasslehofp99]

Dont kill only blues and you'll level faster :)

[Alukit Vassago]

^^^

In my opinion two characters max isn't bad. Because it allows things like an extra hand when groups aren't possible (be it day worker who plays nights, or different timezones etc) and also allows for easy and safe item transfers etc without shared bank needing to be implemented (and can even exceed the size of shared bank) not to mention not having to choose between trading in EC or grinding xp/gear.

Beyond two toons however it gets to the point no one EVER would want to invite anyone else to a group and they become recluses. Having played PEQ and EZ I've seen this first hand. The thing with allowing a 2-box max, though, is it'd be kinda hard to enforce. I suppose no harder than allowing IP exemptions on a 1-toon only server but still...not permitting boxing at all is just an easier means and, in my opinion, the lesser of two evils.

i do get the ideal you are trying to make, but i have to say its that fact for people having to pick & choose what to do that helps others out. like you say grinding or selling, since you can't do both many are willing to haggle down so they can return to grinding which helps stop overpricing items abit, not alot but enough to make it feel like its worth something to new players to save pp up. this is just what i see with the benefit of not having the ability to two box. o as well as people not grinding faction anymore or being social with others when needing food/water or money exchange needs in some cases your main never needing to go to town & always having a toon in every town ready to do business for you. i can just see the flaws in a boxing aspect, but i do agree it would be very nice to be able to transfer for yourself & as well as for those whom don't get on at those golden hours :cool:

so please don't feel as if i am trying to flame or disregard your point, just stating my point of view from a guy new to the server

[Destan]

I think the consensus among this player base is going to be very anti-boxing. I know it existed as a dark secret in the early days of EverQuest, but from Classic to Velious I never once encountered someone with more than a single account either in-game or out. Not once. After that, with the rise of broadband it started to become more commonplace. But in keeping with the theme of this server, the 'feel' wouldn't be right if everywhere you went there was one or two players running an entire group with boxed accounts. Because as it's been mentioned, without the limitations of hardware, connection speed, or subscriptions...99% of us would have multiple accounts. Some because they prefer to take advantage of it, and others because they'd feel the need to keep up with the first group.

So yes, boxing would make your playing time easier. But I don't believe easy is what you were looking for, nor will you find, with a classic EverQuest server. An emulated WoW server sure, but this game is about the blood, sweat, and tears it takes to get anywhere. And that's part of the magic that 13 years later brings us all back. Missing a game where every level felt important rather than the level cap, and the content you saw and items you earned mattered rather than being replaced every five levels.

I don't know about you guys, but back in '99 it was cool to meet someone else who plays and proudly tell them "Yeah I play a 31 ranger" and not feel ashamed that you hadn't conquered the entire game. Nowadays, if I were to run into someone who told me his World of Warcraft mage was level 43, my response would be "Uhhh...85 or who cares? You can get max level in a few weeks..." The genre has changed, and not really for the better.

[endemictruth]

Heh... so much for the "mature" community this server tries to portray...

One guy =/ community

And he's right. :D

[Hitpoint]

Allowing 2 boxing is probably the most detrimental thing I can think of for a medium population server like this. I don't need to explain why, everyone else did, and if you don't see why then you're an idiot. I agree with the first response pretty much.

[kennyhughes]

So yes, boxing would make your playing time easier. But I don't believe easy is what you were looking for, nor will you find, with a classic EverQuest server. An emulated WoW server sure, but this game is about the blood, sweat, and tears it takes to get anywhere. And that's part of the magic that 13 years later brings us all back. Missing a game where every level felt important rather than the level cap, and the content you saw and items you earned mattered rather than being replaced every five levels.

I don't know about you guys, but back in '99 it was cool to meet someone else who plays and proudly tell them "Yeah I play a 31 ranger" and not feel ashamed that you hadn't conquered the entire game. Nowadays, if I were to run into someone who told me his World of Warcraft mage was level 43, my response would be "Uhhh...85 or who cares? You can get max level in a few weeks..." The genre has changed, and not really for the better.

Exactly how I feel. I just got SBS on my Paladin and it was more satisfying than any piece of uber raid gear I won the roll for on WoW. This game gives you constant anxiety about what could/will go wrong and I love it. I would love a modern MMO that captured the spirit of launch-velious EQ.

[Sirbanmelotz]

if u wanna 2box go elsewhere fag

[Vladesch]

Try playing on an unusual time zone.
Most of the time there won't be any grouping option.

It's either play a solo class or not at all.

[Rogean]

Heh... so much for the "mature" community this server tries to portray...

Don't feed the trolls :)

[Sithel1988]

god this guy is just stupid.

[reppa]

I wouldnt mind if they allowed dual boxing like 1 day a week on a statistic lowpop day/ lowpop time for a fixed duration. It would have little to no impact on the grouping side of the community. Heck i spend most of my time soloing anyways and not by choice. The server is simply too top heavy sometimes. Even if i was just able to trade with myself for a limited duration that would kick ass!

I do agree that if dual boxing was full open if would ruin this server

[Sithel1988]

dude......................NO

[Hitchens]

Even if i was just able to trade with myself for a limited duration that would kick ass!

Make a friend, ask them to transfer items.

Shared bank slots would be a far more viable option than allowing limited two boxing, but you don't even really need that.

[reppa]

Make a friend, ask them to transfer items.

Shared bank slots would be a far more viable option than allowing limited two boxing, but you don't even really need that.

I have guildies to help out with transfers but its cumbersome

Even one shared bank slot would remedy this issue all together but still not classic

[Hitchens]

Shared bank slots would be pretty neat, but it isn't really needed. I certainly wouldn't complain if they were added, but I doubt they will be.

[Malrubius]

To the OP...

-I prefer soloing too. I find grouping to be much more anti-social *in general* than soloing, but it depends on the player more on whether they are grouped or not.

-I don't mind the slow levelling since I have more time to enjoy the different levels of content. It's also the only way to keep the entire server from being level 60.

-Most importantly, the levelling speed won't be changed, which is why I like this server. The admins stick to their guns and won't cave the way SoE did.

And don't feed the trolls. ;)

Cheers,

[godbox]

Another detrimental effect of two-boxing is being able to monopolize camps. i.e. crypt, fungi king, and other high end camps.

this is the most important reason 2box isnt allowed. If it was every single drop/pp/quest camp literally 24 hours a day would be locked down and gms would be spending all there time trying to hammer out who gets what.

To OP really your doing it long if its taking that long to lvl up that low.
Either:
a. group with people (wtf are you doing here if not that)
b. go to ec and enjoy the usually free buffs provided by our awesome communities druids/shams/ench
c. go to one of the sooooo many other emu servers and 2box all you want

[falkun]

-Most importantly, the levelling speed won't be changed, which is why I like this server. The admins stick to their guns and won't cave the way SoE did.

It will if you're class has an EXP penalty. I doubt my pally will make it to higher levels before Velious, but I'll thank Tunare the day he's no longer artificially nerfed 40%.

[Lagaidh]

It will if you're class has an EXP penalty. I doubt my pally will make it to higher levels before Velious, but I'll thank Tunare the day he's no longer artificially nerfed 40%.

I got a masochist's pride in live being L54 and having primarily soloed my paladin. Ugh. I won't do that again.

Now I've primarily duo'ed my paladin to L51!

[Nirgon]

Here's a crazy idea. Make an enchanter or cleric. They can both solo and get groups when they are available. Complaining about not being able to solo efficiently as something like a rogue or ranger is crazy son.

[Brimacombe]

Semi off-topic, but a valid tangent since it has been brought up before, if you will indulge me:
I have transferred with complete strangers on a couple occasions, and although I would not attempt it with 1k plat, I have not been burned once. In any other game, it would be the height of naivete to attempt this. This community is remarkable and forcing us to rely on each other for transfers has surprisingly helped the sense of community. I am sure people have their horror stories, but as long as you stay away from the guy named "Igankedulol" for your transfers, you should be OK for low ticket items.
That being said, shared banks would be nice, but I am not going to campaign for it.

- Brimacombe

[Grozmok]

I was surprised when a stranger asked me to transfer 100k for him. I was blown away at how trusting the guy/gal was.

[tekniq]

I don't understand why people keep money in an actual bank. Make a lvl 1 mule and horde all your money there...If you and your friends all have a lvl 1 mule in EC, transferring takes <30 seconds, herpederp.

[Werko]

this guy prob never played eq1 in its hay day =/ sadface

[Splorf22]

To the OP...

-I prefer soloing too. I find grouping to be much more anti-social *in general* than soloing, but it depends on the player more on whether they are grouped or not.

What exactly do you mean by this, that you enjoy grouping less, or that everyone in P1999 is a tool?

[Daldaen]

you keep saying solo and by yourself. This is an MMO the whole point is for you to have to interact with other people. If boxing was allowed, all the hermits would horde camps to themselves and the current anti social behaviors of other MMO's would start lurking in our world. NO thanks..

Yes... since some people don't already horde camps to themselves and camp the same thing solo, or duo or trio over and over and over.

The current anti social behaviors already are here whether you like it or not. People don't play this game to socialize, and if they did then groups of druid, ranger, paladin, bard, troll shaman and troll sk would exist. People only want to interact with others so long as it doesn't impede their progression (via unoptimal classes for group or hybrid/race penalties). Even then, most groups I see here are guild groups, atleast post level 30-40ish. Very rarely do I see PuGs of 50-60s forming.

Cool you interact with the same 30-40 guildmates... not much different than boxer guilds just they do the same stuff with only 15-20 people controlling 30-40 toons.


The server is a group of cliques, merely a larger selection of anti-social behavior imo.

[erog84]

I found it really interesting that a lot of replies in this thread started off pretty much like " It's classic, if you don't like it, go somewhere else ". I couldn't help but laugh when I read those, since I did in fact box in classic, and it was not against the rules. So can we stop with the whole " 2-boxing isn't classic " garbage? There are pro's and con's to it, some want to 2-box, a lot of people seem to despise it, but that doesn't change the fact that it was not against the rules on live.

Now since it IS against the rules on this server, obviously don't do it (or face the consequences WHEN you get caught).

[erog84]

this is the most important reason 2box isnt allowed. If it was every single drop/pp/quest camp literally 24 hours a day would be locked down and gms would be spending all there time trying to hammer out who gets what.

To OP really your doing it long if its taking that long to lvl up that low.
Either:
a. group with people (wtf are you doing here if not that)
b. go to ec and enjoy the usually free buffs provided by our awesome communities druids/shams/ench
c. go to one of the sooooo many other emu servers and 2box all you want

My Responses(for what they are worth):
a. Plenty of times I can't find a group/partner on peak times, let alone on off hours. It's amazing how people say " go get a group ", when a lot of times you just can't. I have made plenty of groups, but just as often if I don't have a tank and healer, the group falls apart.
b. As a person with a highlvl main who spends a decent amount of time around commons, I have come to loathe getting tells every 10 seconds for buffs. I still dish them out quite often, but because I have been on that end, I try to stay away from that.
c. So if someone puts forth a question asking why this can't be done, your response is "go to another server". Great way to build the population.

[Daldaen]

I found it really interesting that a lot of replies in this thread started off pretty much like " It's classic, if you don't like it, go somewhere else ". I couldn't help but laugh when I read those, since I did in fact box in classic, and it was not against the rules. So can we stop with the whole " 2-boxing isn't classic " garbage? There are pro's and con's to it, some want to 2-box, a lot of people seem to despise it, but that doesn't change the fact that it was not against the rules on live.

Now since it IS against the rules on this server, obviously don't do it (or face the consequences WHEN you get caught).
I can guarantee FAR more people 2-boxed during Classic-Velious era than those who sold accounts for platinum.

[Grozmok]

I found it really interesting that a lot of replies in this thread started off pretty much like " It's classic, if you don't like it, go somewhere else ". I couldn't help but laugh when I read those, since I did in fact box in classic, and it was not against the rules. So can we stop with the whole " 2-boxing isn't classic " garbage? There are pro's and con's to it, some want to 2-box, a lot of people seem to despise it, but that doesn't change the fact that it was not against the rules on live.

Now since it IS against the rules on this server, obviously don't do it (or face the consequences WHEN you get caught).

Classic or not, boxing discourages player to player interaction and should be discouraged.

:confused:

[somnia]

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[SamwiseRed]

if you wanna box just play ftp live. i mean you guys are here to kill pixels not pvp so why u trying to box anyway.

[Hitchens]

Because people here to kill pixels are at least here to play the game, unlike those who are simply here to post about EVE Online.

[Raden]

Let me first state that I really do enjoy this server, I feel it is one of the last bastions for what MMORPG's used to be. I am thankful to all those who put the work in make it all possible.

I personally wouldn't mind a max of two boxing. Back in the day, I was fortunate enough to have a household with 2 comps/phone lines capable of playing EQ with. I would play shaman/cleric and join groups all the time, worked very well.

I've been on servers where people multi box and use MQ2 to get toons to do all sorts of automated crap. THAT is the real problem behind boxing imo and perhaps could be the real cause for disdain towards the whole situation. However the dev team does know how to find MQ2 users so any fear of that being a possibility, even with boxing limited to 2 max, can be avoided. I find it hard to believe that a person with control of just two characters instead of one would cause such havoc.

I theorize that allowing 2 boxing would allow the leveling base to spread itself out a bit more. More groups, more zones seen while progressing up. I can of course see scenarios of power leveling, duoing teams, but frankly if the ability to be power leveled by their own high level toon is the motivation it takes for a player to create a low level toon, they most likely would not have had that toon there to group with you anyway.

As for people complaining about camps locked down 24/7, they are already, and one of the hottest commodities, Fungi Tunic, is already able to be farmed solo. A point must also be made that this world is very vast, and the population is still rather small. Even on high traffic times there are zones with plenty camps to be had that are vacant.

And of course, even if it was allowed on the server not everyone will two box. Groups will still be formed, perhaps more of the lesser filled roles healer/tank will be filled more easily.

[rmackner]

Classic or not, boxing discourages player to player interaction and should be discouraged.

:confused:

Grouping with boxed players isn't so bad on EQMAC. I even had people drop a boxed toon from a group to let me join in. I just think the player base here would take it to the extreme and do all the bad things.

[LizardNecro]

I would leave this server if it was a 2 boxing server. I find boxing ruins groups.

[Sithel1988]

god you idiots.................this server is the best for a reason. i believe uthgard daoc lets you do that stuff but im not sure

[rmackner]

god you idiots.................this server is the best for a reason. i believe uthgard daoc lets you do that stuff but im not sure

They don't last time I checked and who wants to play daoc anyway? It failed for a reason.

[Sithel1988]

actually ive been fighting off the urge to move back to uthgard for awhile. i miss fighting over a little castle. and i heard they made it harder. no npc hasteners anymore and drops have greatly decreased. now classes like runemaster will be liked even more for their speed buffs. and theres always lots of people on. like 600+

[Sularys]

They don't last time I checked and who wants to play daoc anyway? It failed for a reason.

Your right. They made the same mistake SoE did with EQ and made expansions for an already great game. Expansions that eventually killed it.

[rmackner]

actually ive been fighting off the urge to move back to uthgard for awhile. i miss fighting over a little castle. and i heard they made it harder. no npc hasteners anymore and drops have greatly decreased. now classes like runemaster will be liked even more for their speed buffs. and theres always lots of people on. like 600+


I got my shaman to level 14 then quit to much EU for me to get into anything at 50. Then I remember how you can't cast shit when a mob is on you rofl. I'd rather stay here or go play wow or somthing.

[rmackner]

Your right. They made the same mistake SoE did with EQ and made expansions for an already great game. Expansions that eventually killed it.

Sony sold out to make the game easier to get more subs and reach out to non-mmo players. Kinda the same path blizzard is taking now... weird??

[Grozmok]

Sony sold out to make the game easier to get more subs and reach out to non-mmo players. Kinda the same path blizzard is taking now... weird??

Money does strange things to people.

[somnia]

Grouping with boxed players isn't so bad on EQMAC. I even had people drop a boxed toon from a group to let me join in. I just think the player base here would take it to the extreme and do all the bad things.

Good point.

[rmackner]

Money does strange things to people.

Sad EQ and WoW had the game mechanics to run the mmo world. The only goal both company's had was to reach the top and crush everything below it. Once they got there they had no idea what to do other then branch out to new players to get more subs for more money to work on other games. Soon as the game hits it's peak just sit back and bleed it dry.

[Callnoutthenewbs]

I like the idea of this server and it seems very polished. There is a decent enough player base, the website / forum is great, the wiki is fantastic, and the overall quality is spectacular for a free server.

But why not allow more than one character (box) at a time? It's a PVE server after all... I don't see how that would negatively impact anyone's experience... on the contrary it would actually allow people to level up faster, create their own group if they can't find one, and see much of the content of this game either solo or with a friend.

I used to play on the Vallon/Tallon Zek PVP server on EQEmu where they allowed up to two characters at once per player. Me and a friend of mine grouped up and our party of 4 got us to level 50 relatively quickly and we were able to see much of the game's content from 1- 50 just by ourselves. It was a great deal of fun. We would have played it much longer but the PVP aspect of that server really ruined the experience as it attracted a lot of douchey / elitist players.

I thought about coming back and trying EQEmu again and Project1999 seemed like the best option... until I read that you guys don't allow more than one box at a time. WHY!?!?!?!

I rolled a Necromancer and decided to give it a shot anyways, figuring that maybe there wasn't a lot of need to run multiple characters to level up easily. It didn't take long to notice that the exp rates are horrendous. It took 15-20 minutes to grind up to level 2 and after measuring the exp rates a little more closely I estimated that it would take another 1-2 hours and about 120 blue skeleton kills before I would get to level 3.

This is absurd!

We're all drawn here because we want to relive the classic EQ experience, but I think that experience has more to do with the harsh death penalty, lack of maps, lack of compass, etc... not so much the horrendous grind.

I by no means advocate killing 3 mobs and gaining 5 levels or anything like that, but not everyone has the time to dedicate countless hours every week to killing mobs just to level up on this server. I also don't always have time to find and organize groups either and it doesn't seem like you can do much on your own on this server since you are only allowed to play one character at a time.

This guy just comes off as a total retardo

[Safon]

The staff are ON RECORD as stating that two boxing will NEVER, EVER be allowed here.

These threads always turn out the same way, there should be a stickied post telling two-boxing supporters to not waste their energy whining

[heartbrand]

Yes... since some people don't already horde camps to themselves and camp the same thing solo, or duo or trio over and over and over.

The current anti social behaviors already are here whether you like it or not. People don't play this game to socialize, and if they did then groups of druid, ranger, paladin, bard, troll shaman and troll sk would exist. People only want to interact with others so long as it doesn't impede their progression (via unoptimal classes for group or hybrid/race penalties). Even then, most groups I see here are guild groups, atleast post level 30-40ish. Very rarely do I see PuGs of 50-60s forming.

Cool you interact with the same 30-40 guildmates... not much different than boxer guilds just they do the same stuff with only 15-20 people controlling 30-40 toons.


The server is a group of cliques, merely a larger selection of anti-social behavior imo.

Well stated. The whole "monopolizing camp" argument is b.s., when every high end camp is already monopolized by multiple people playing the same account. In classic, there were THOUSANDS of people online per a server. You could walk through guk or sebilis and not a single mob would be up between you and your group. You could find groups with relative ease. Stop pretending like this server is classic. Boxing plz.

[Lazortag]

This is a statistical recreation of classic. Since classic eq required a subscription fee and multiple accounts to multi-box, multi-boxing wasn't as easy. Here you could multi-box entire raids and effectively cock block everyone out of content even moreso than is already done. No thanks.

[Daldaen]

Good luck multi-boxing 24 characters to kill a raid.

[Uteunayr]

I enjoy the heavily classic appeal of this. I left this game for DAoC for a reason. I am only here on EQEmu because this server sends me back to when MMOs actually made me want to maim children out of frustration from dying immediately upon reaching a new spell level and having the new spells taunt you in the spellbook because you can't regem them.

Yeah... It is a pain, but a pain I have missed in SWG, WoW and DAoC.

Edit in: More specific to the purpose of this thread: While I remember some dualboxers, they were few and far between. L2social and don't limit yourself to playing with yourself. :) There are some dungeons I may never step into because I cannot find and get people together, but you know what? Coming back to this after so many years has reminded me of just how much there is left to explore in this game world. So I am fine with it being difficult to fully explore the game world. It keeps a mystique to the game that flying mounts destroy.

[Splorf22]

Daldaen I think part of your problem may be that you play a druid. As an enchanter I used to get a lot more pickup group love.

The problem with P1999 is that it took Verant a while to figure out how to balance their game. As people tried stuff that was more or less overpowered, Verant changed things. By the time everyone realized a L60 wizard had the same sustained dps as a L40 rogue, Wizards had gotten a whole bunch of new toys. But here, we are replicating classic EQ with the knowledge of what works and what doesn't and what classes are over/under powered at which times. Which is why half the server plays Iksar monks, and there are like 3 50+ Half-elf druids.

The other problem with P1999 is that we have a disproportionate number of high level players who play a ton, and a lot of people who willing to devote an absolutely ridiculous amount of time to this game. And without instancing, these people can cockblock everyone else. And this makes me a little sad, but it is the way it is. EQ has a limited supply of high-end raid items and the players get to fight over them (but without interfering with each other! it's weird).

Personally I wouldn't mind changing a few key things, like invis and social aggro, hybrid XP penalties. Reality is enchanters and shaman and monks are too strong, druids and wizards and rangers are too weak. But it is what it is.

[Daldaen]

I think theres only 2 60 half-elf droods :P.


But I don't think boxing should exist because class imbalance exists. I think it should exist because its classic. Much more than things like... people selling accounts for platinum.

[batkiller]

I played Shards of Dalaya a LOT over the last several years. They allow two boxes (but no more!) for anyone who wants to.

Overall I would say that there are pros and cons to it though. It's not as clear cut as most people here seem to think. For example, and advantage is that groups are far easier to get started seeing as you only need to find two other people and you can have a whole group, and then head anywhere you want. Then as more people come along you just ditch the boxes.

I also think it's a lot of fun because you can make characters you wouldn't usually play, just to play them with another character. For example I would never usually play a Wizard but Wiz + Chanter was a really fun combo.

There are downsides though too. It makes everyone more self sufficient, so often people just can't be bothered to group. People often end up being able to do whatever they want with two characters, so just don't *need* a group. They then end up only ever grouping with close friends, or if a really good group is put together. But if they see a group that lacks the perfect holy trinity and an evac, they just aren't interested.

Another issue is that the general skill level of people seems to dip. Playing one character in P99 actually takes quite a lot of skill imo. Especially if you go to dungeons by yourself. You have to actually split mobs and pull carefully and play well. But with two characters you end up with the majority of people playing melee+healer duo's, and they can just send their tank type character in to battle, grabs aggro on 3 mobs and tank n spanks them while their pet healer keeps them alive. It's easy and lazy and the game quickly loses it's excitement and appeal once that starts happening everywhere.

And lastly, the monopolizing of content is a genuine issue. There are some camps in the game which can't be soloed, at least by the average person. But once everyone has multiple accounts, you can hold almost anything by yourself. So the issues you might have seen on the server now with lots of places permanently camped, ends up basically being doubled.

Also eventually you end up with every person having a whole selection of buff bots as their second characters. So every tank shows up to every group with Empower and every cleric has KEI or whatever. So again, it starts eating away at the difficulty of the game.

So yeah, I focused more on the negatives there, but there a pros and cons - not just one or the other. Personally I really don't mind either way. I like soloing and I like 2 boxing, and I am happy with either.

[Safon]

Well stated. The whole "monopolizing camp" argument is b.s., when every high end camp is already monopolized by multiple people playing the same account. In classic, there were THOUSANDS of people online per a server. You could walk through guk or sebilis and not a single mob would be up between you and your group. You could find groups with relative ease. Stop pretending like this server is classic. Boxing plz.

Do you ever stop bitching? You are the biggest faggot this server has had in awhile

[Brimacombe]

Is this troll thread still going?

-Brimacombe

[Nirgon]

^ We got a dumb one

[Nirgon]

actually ive been fighting off the urge to move back to uthgard for awhile. i miss fighting over a little castle. and i heard they made it harder. no npc hasteners anymore and drops have greatly decreased. now classes like runemaster will be liked even more for their speed buffs. and theres always lots of people on. like 600+

600+ during Euro-time.

Pick up some GW2 for yourself.

[Deverell]

Boxing wasn't necessary for most of the server's lifespan. It would have been helpful right in the beginning because there were only one or two hundred players, but the playerbase grew quickly enough to a point where it wasn't needed. Everything was great up until about six months into Kunark, and now it's getting to a point where it's just barely acceptable. If the online tally shrinks by another couple hundred, it's probably gonna be really bad. Getting groups in your 20s and 30s is really problematic and just straight up impossible in the off-peak hours, so people either play solo classes, twink up in fungi and 300k worth of gear so they can solo their melees up, or pay for PLing. Even when you do get groups, you can sit a whole day without seeing a cleric in the zone because hardly anybody would want to level a cleric or tank up the old-fashioned way these days. Grouping looks fine at 50+, but especially 20-40 is an exercise in futility if you can't play peak hours and don't want to solo the whole way.

[Galvatar]

In regards to leveling: I think like anything its all about making connections, parking characters in high pop zones or making arrangements to meet with steady reliable associates in low pop zones, and not being an ass.

[Deverell]

You can be the nicest guy in the world, it doesn't really matter if there's nine people online on the whole server within your grouping range and six of them are necros and druids.

[Grizzled]

Boxing and macroquest killed PEQ

[Scavrefamn]

Boxing and macroquest kills EQ

Fixed.