Will Sleeper be killed once Velious comes out?

[Peatree]

Read a previous thread that made me wonder if any guild will be able to kill the Sleeper once Velious releases?

Did it not take a zerg force of several guilds to make that happen back in the day?

Are there enough players active on this server to make this happen?

I wonder? Anyone else have any thoughts?

Also - what are the reprocussions once the Sleeper is "awakened" and perhaps "killed" - doesn't something bad happen?

Just curious!

Yours truly....

[aerah]

Once awakened, he goes through all the dragon faction zones killing everyone/everything.

The real issue, though, is that the mobs that drop primal weapons stop respawning.

[Peatree]

I knew something happened like the mobs stop respawning. What exactly does that mean then? What mobs and what weapons will we "lose" Any examples?

[erog84]

Considering it took hundreds of people at level 65 in POP gear to kill him, I would surmise no. Also add to the fact that with such a small population of high levels, it would take a very high percentage of them to get together to do that, and I just don't see that happening. Many people will want to keep the warders up for primals and such.

[erog84]

I knew something happened like the mobs stop respawning. What exactly does that mean then? What mobs and what weapons will we "lose" Any examples?

Primal weapons drop off the warders, as long as you don't awaken the sleeper, they respawn each cycle and can "farm" the primal weapons. Once the sleeper is awakened you can no longer get primal weapons.

[lawll]

Considering it took hundreds of people at level 65 in POP gear to kill him, I would surmise no. Also add to the fact that with such a small population of high levels, it would take a very high percentage of them to get together to do that, and I just don't see that happening. Many people will want to keep the warders up for primals and such.

Yea it would never happen with 60s and no AAs.

[lawll]

Some big guild may farm primals and then awake to cock block tho.

[aerah]

In addition to Primal Velium Weapons, (the 1handers were 13/20 and proc'd Avatar) the warders are also the source for Sceptre of Destruction, Shroud of Longevity, Mask of Tinkering, Dainty Gloves, Dragonscale Mask, Staff of Morning Dew, Clawed Guardian Bracer, Writ of Dragonkind, Smolder, Staff of the Elder Claws, Salindrite Dagger, Shield of the Clawed Guardian and the four different Resistance Stones.

Mob names are:
Ventani the Warder
Hraashna the Warder
Tukaarak the Warder
Nanzata the Warder

After Kerafym is awakened I'm not sure if the Trash or the named golems respawn anymore.

[lawll]

In addition to Primal Velium Weapons, (the 1handers were 13/20 and proc'd Avatar) the warders are also the source for Sceptre of Destruction, Shroud of Longevity, Mask of Tinkering, Dainty Gloves, Dragonscale Mask, Staff of Morning Dew, Clawed Guardian Bracer, Writ of Dragonkind, Smolder, Staff of the Elder Claws, Salindrite Dagger, Shield of the Clawed Guardian and the four different Resistance Stones.

Mob names are:
Ventani the Warder
Hraashna the Warder
Tukaarak the Warder
Nanzata the Warder

After Kerafym is awakened I'm not sure if the Trash or the named golems respawn anymore.

They won't and I give it a month before it's on farm status.

[aerah]

They won't and I give it a month before it's on farm status.

If the trash doesn't respawn then you also lose the .. Priceless Velium weapons too. I think it was priceless, maybe exquisite? Anyway, they were identical to the Primals, but didn't have the proc.

[touchtonedialing]

Some big guild may farm primals and then awake to cock block tho.

This is what will happen. The top guild will farm them as long as they can until there is any competition for the spawns, then they will awake it.

[Peatree]

This is what will happen. The top guild will farm them as long as they can until there is any competition for the spawns, then they will awake it.

That will suck moldy donkey balls.

[Llodd]

Some big guild may farm primals and then awake to cock block tho.

Should try and get a consensus from the top guilds that they wont do this.

Or is that asking too much? (or is that a silly question?)

[Harmonium]

Xev server was virtually the last server to wake the sleeper. The top raiding guilds had agreed not to wake him and as a result many people were able to enjoy pre-sleeper items.

Then one day a new raiding guild decided to be douchebags and woke him up. The entire server denounced them, and said they wouldn't survive because of it. They insisted they would be just fine and would in no wise be breaking up over it.

They didn't survive a month before the guild completely disbanded. For the remainder of the time I played on Xev I refused to group with any player known to have partaken in waking up sleeper, and I would refuse to group with any player who participates in waking sleeper on this server.

[Kassel]

No one will wake him, turn over on this server is too high.

[M.Bison]

If the trash doesn't respawn then you also lose the .. Priceless Velium weapons too. I think it was priceless, maybe exquisite? Anyway, they were identical to the Primals, but didn't have the proc.

Prismatic weapons. they are the same as primals, so waking the sleeper really has no consequence as far as these weapons. They both proc avatar, they both have the same stats, just different names.
primal bow - http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6002
prismatic bow - http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=16094

[Auchae]

Prismatic weapons. they are the same as primals, so waking the sleeper really has no consequence. They both proc avatar, they both have the same stats, just different names.

No.. There are many drops aside from those that become unobtainable once he's spawned. Someone already listed them. SoD, Mask of Tinkering, etc.

Really there is no reason to wake him up now that the consequences are known to virtually everyone.

[Alarti0001]

I don't see the point of waking the sleeper other than cool factor, and I think it was disussed that a sleeper would be allowed to be awakened and the zone reset to pre-awakening status

[M.Bison]

No.. There are many drops aside from those that become unobtainable once he's spawned. Someone already listed them. SoD, Mask of Tinkering, etc.

Really there is no reason to wake him up now that the consequences are known to virtually everyone.

Yeah but iirc the 'old' pre-awakened loot gets replaced with new post-awakened loot, so you maybe lose out, but your also gain access to new set of drops.

[Auchae]

True, does anyone have a link to a loot table? The ancient dragons that replaced the warders have revamped loot, according to Alla, it looks like.

[M.Bison]

I don't see the point of waking the sleeper other than cool factor, and I think it was disussed that a sleeper would be allowed to be awakened and the zone reset to pre-awakening status

tbh iirc the point of waking the sleeper was the monopolize certain drops that waking the sleeper did away with. w/ this servers track record, i dont doubt that the zone will be forever pre-awakened despite what any one guild does. kinda lame :(

[lawll]

I think it was disussed that a sleeper would be allowed to be awakened and the zone reset to pre-awakening status

NOT CLASSIC!!

[Lazortag]

Jeremy said to me that he'd personally awaken the sleeper, and anyone who complains is a casual socialist liberal commie pinko.

[Alarti0001]

tbh iirc the point of waking the sleeper was the monopolize certain drops that waking the sleeper did away with. w/ this servers track record, i dont doubt that the zone will be forever pre-awakened despite what any one guild does. kinda lame :(

Servers destiny has changed IB left

[Fazlazen]

It would be kind of sad to awaken the sleeper. If it is the last expansion, I think everybody should at some point be able to enjoy it.

[azeth]

on rodcet nife we had the korean guild Arirang jacking sleepers everytime it popped on server up at 3 am est.

hate to say i never even made it into sleepers 'til it was old news.

anyways, there is little incentive for presumably TMO to drop the Warders considering everyone will want primals for their alts & the various loot.

[Asher]

Xev server was virtually the last server to wake the sleeper. The top raiding guilds had agreed not to wake him and as a result many people were able to enjoy pre-sleeper items.

Then one day a new raiding guild decided to be douchebags and woke him up. The entire server denounced them, and said they wouldn't survive because of it. They insisted they would be just fine and would in no wise be breaking up over it.

They didn't survive a month before the guild completely disbanded. For the remainder of the time I played on Xev I refused to group with any player known to have partaken in waking up sleeper, and I would refuse to group with any player who participates in waking sleeper on this server.

SoE forced the sleeper spawn on FV server when EQ2 was released. No guild ever woke him.

Asher

[Asher]

True, does anyone have a link to a loot table? The ancient dragons that replaced the warders have revamped loot, according to Alla, it looks like.

Sleeper still sleeps on EQMac.

If you look on Allakhazam under the mob graveyard zone you should find this information. If not search on the EQMac boards. I am sure it will be listed there.

Asher

[azeth]

unrelated to ST, but in the context of Velious being developed right now -

what're the odds the Ogre wall technique will be functioning for Tunare raids? I doubt Nilbog will see this post, but I should hope so.

Given it won't feel as inventive this time around, but I really enjoyed that raid. My guild, as far as i know came up with that on our own though I understand many folks had dropped Tunare in that fashion prior to us.

I never got a Massive Heartwood Thorn :\ Also, as far as I remember we had a few High Elves refuse to participate in Plane of Growth raids for faction reasons. Does anyone remember if there was some sort of itemized incentive to maintain high Tunare faction/Felwithe faction? Or were these folks roleplaying?

[Alarti0001]

unrelated to ST, but in the context of Velious being developed right now -

what're the odds the Ogre wall technique will be functioning for Tunare raids? I doubt Nilbog will see this post, but I should hope so.

Given it won't feel as inventive this time around, but I really enjoyed that raid. My guild, as far as i know came up with that on our own though I understand many folks had dropped Tunare in that fashion prior to us.

I never got a Massive Heartwood Thorn :\ Also, as far as I remember we had a few High Elves refuse to participate in Plane of Growth raids for faction reasons. Does anyone remember if there was some sort of itemized incentive to maintain high Tunare faction/Felwithe faction? Or were these folks roleplaying?

Elves just camped at like 10% on my server

[Phallax]

unrelated to ST, but in the context of Velious being developed right now -

what're the odds the Ogre wall technique will be functioning for Tunare raids? I doubt Nilbog will see this post, but I should hope so.

Given it won't feel as inventive this time around, but I really enjoyed that raid. My guild, as far as i know came up with that on our own though I understand many folks had dropped Tunare in that fashion prior to us.

I never got a Massive Heartwood Thorn :\ Also, as far as I remember we had a few High Elves refuse to participate in Plane of Growth raids for faction reasons. Does anyone remember if there was some sort of itemized incentive to maintain high Tunare faction/Felwithe faction? Or were these folks roleplaying?

Dont need the ogre wall in Velious, she didnt get rooted until Luclin so you can pull her to walls.

[Danyelle]

No the Sleeper will not die here. Because the sleeper requires cooperation across several guilds and people. See this thread for an example of why that will never happen: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=74391

[Teddie1056]

I remember that, the guild was Hawkestone on Xev. What was your character Harmonium?

[lawll]

Didn't someone say if the sleeper was awakened the GMs would just respawn him?

[Harmonium]

My main on Xev was Seith, MT group bard for NULL

[Auchae]

Sleeper still sleeps on EQMac.

If you look on Allakhazam under the mob graveyard zone you should find this information. If not search on the EQMac boards. I am sure it will be listed there.

Asher

Right, but I'm referring to the ancient dragons that replaced the warders. They have a revamped loot table on Allakhazam, according to some of the posts. For instance, a dwarf illusion mask started dropping as a replacement for the gnome illusion, but it was added later on. That's how I understand it anyway. Could be wrong.

[Weekapaug]

And I'm sure that's the rationale the people who wake it will employ.

[aerah]

Prismatic weapons. they are the same as primals, so waking the sleeper really has no consequence as far as these weapons. They both proc avatar, they both have the same stats, just different names.
primal bow - http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6002
prismatic bow - http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=16094

This wasn't implemented until PoP or later. Don't hold your breath.

[Kassel]

Prismatic weapons. they are the same as primals, so waking the sleeper really has no consequence as far as these weapons. They both proc avatar, they both have the same stats, just different names.
primal bow - http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=6002
prismatic bow - http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=16094

You may want to check the dates on the links you posted.

Prsimatics will never be on this server if they stick to the original plan, they came out after pop.

[Wolfgang]

server will go past velious bro

[Treats]

This is what happens when all four warders are killed and the Sleeper is awoken:

Warders are killed leaving none of them up.

Sleeper is awoken and rampages through zones.

Warders never respawn.

Master of The Guard, The Progenitor, and The Final Arbiter stay the same as before awakening of the Sleeper.

Loot and spawn time stays the same on each of these three (Primal/Priceless).

Prismatic and the revamped ST were added later (during Planes of Power).

Sleeper's Tomb should have only those three main loot mobs + trash left if the Sleeper is awakened here and it will last for the duration of the server if it does stop at Velious.

[Kassel]

server will go past velious bro

I think the majority* of players here believe classic-Velious had the right idea.

Luclin onward.. I just can't get onboard with. I played the expansions up to like omens of war. It was all right, but mostly just a big waste of my time.

I'd rather have a completely custom game after Velious than rebuild that fail. Cats on the moon not happening on my watch.

[Wolfgang]

server will go past velious bro

[Fazlazen]

I wish we could get AAs tho, even introduce them earlier and make the content harder. Fun way to improve your main character, and I wouldn't feel the need to have 15 alts...

[Slave]

server will go past velious bro

I hope not; the only benefit I can see or want after Velious are Bazaar functionality (anywhere, EC would be amazing), and maybe shared bank slots. But most of my characters are singles on each login anyway.

[Taboo]

I made the mistake of doing a PoG raid on my tunare ranger back in the day. You could not get The Helm of the Tracker if you did which was awesome.

No way to fix that faction.

[Alarti0001]

:cool:I wish we could get AAs tho, even introduce them earlier and make the content harder. Fun way to improve your main character, and I wouldn't feel the need to have 15 alts...

Loved AA's id much rather play my main then an alt

[Kaellaven]

If they do go any further than Velious, I hope they stop at Luclin.

POP killed Everquest.

[Nagash]

Some big guild may farm primals and then awake to cock block tho.

They would do this through 2, maybe 3 cycles, then a coalition would form to kill the 4th dragon on the next pop, everyone would end up srewed over except the 5-10 guy who would have the only primal that dropped.

[Malevz]

Just keep the key mobs down as long as possible to prevent anyone else from getting in. That's what we did on vallon and everyone and their alts had primal before we actually had competition.

[Tarathiel]

hi malev!

[Silentone]

Gnome mask !!!