CTF Event Feedback Thread

[Secrets]

Post feedback on ANYTHING about the event.

NOTE: feedback is not a bug report thread. Only post actual constructive feedback on what you would like to see about it. We'll probably run it again soon with all the bugs fixed.

[Lonedrahon25]

Ok i have a few things:

1. Mage pets will auto attack anyone that they killed or have aggro with, thus death looping players at the spawn point.

2. There was no lvl restrictions, this being a little annoying for obvious reasons.

3. Magicians using Eye of Zomm, can waltze in there and capture the flag thus making the flag insta pop wherever you casted the eye at (Warping the flag).

4. Fears not working, roots not working etc etc.

5. And above all, this was a sweet idea and i will play again, just a few tweaks and this will be perfect.

That being said, heres a few suggestions... Magicians have to use their own Malachite at their own expense. I know its not worth much, but i went into the event with like 4 malachite and ended up using the all fairly quickly. Maybe you could have everyone start at the same lvl, with all spells/skills maxed and give the appropriate class a supplies vendor that is useable for their team only.


THANKS DEV TEAM!

[Jify]

Bugs aside, it was a blast. Too bad we couldn't do away with the PVP damage deduction. I want wizards trying to ice comet me for big damage!

Key word is try, suckers! ;D

[Pheer]

nerf bards

on flag pickup make a buff cast on you that overwrites all your buffs and either snares you or just makes you at default runspeed by overwriting and blocking any run speed spells/songs

change the message for deaths to show who the killer was

think we could attack our own teammates? not sure on that one, if its impossible to fix its not a big deal, just keep an eye out for griefers teamkilling

[Ektar]

4. Fears not working, roots not working etc etc.

Fear shouldn't work. Root should... and what do you mean by etc etc?


Magicians have to use their own Malachite at their own expense.

True, that could be a problem! Your solution

give the appropriate class a supplies vendor that is useable for their team only.
Is a decent one. Don't really see why it has to be usable for your team only.. If someone on red team wants to buy malachite in the blue base... go him. I feel the ratio of necessity to ease of implementation makes this part unrecommended.

Maybe you could have everyone start at the same lvl, with all spells/skills maxed
Umno. This is so unnecessarily difficult. You realize that they are actually taking your character and moving it, not creating some new character for you to play... So you would be forcing them to create a new character and duplicating your gear and equipping it instead of just making different categories for different levels, or whatever.

[Ektar]

Big part of pvp was rescuing your allies from mez with a bash or something. Makes mez like .0001x as effective. If this is doable yay but I don't really see how with the keeping of not harming your teammates. Not saying do away with not harming your teammates.

[vinx]

Big part of pvp was rescuing your allies from mez with a bash or something. Makes mez like .0001x as effective. If this is doable yay but I don't really see how with the keeping of not harming your teammates. Not saying do away with not harming your teammates.

yes, bashing and dotting your friends/self was always a way to save the group/self vs a chanter :)

[Lonedrahon25]

Or how about they just make you start naked, and put vendor NPCs that have various kinds of armor, weapons on them and everyone gets to pick what they want/ need. Makes more sense to me then having all the people with all the raid gear going around and WTPwning all the handmedown geared players out there. Their trying to create a fun event thats for everyone, not a bottleneck of IB in all their leetness just killing everyone they see.

[Secrets]

Or how about they just make you start naked, and put vendor NPCs that have various kinds of armor, weapons on them and everyone gets to pick what they want/ need. Makes more sense to me then having all the people with all the raid gear going around and WTPwning all the handmedown geared players out there. Their trying to create a fun event thats for everyone, not a bottleneck of IB in all their leetness just killing everyone they see.

Too much code effort to do all of that for an event. You do want sky coming out, right?

[Vyal]

As I said before....
This should be all lvl 1 naked gnome mages.

I liked the pvp ya but there was no balance at all 4 bards could win against the whole server :/

ALSO as a side note I found a pretty screwy bug, if a bard and a mage duel and the bard charms the mages pet, the pet goes away. So now you got 4 bards making everyones pets go away plus snatching up flags......

If you not a lvl 1 gnome mage you can't enter thats what I say.

Perfectly balanced anyone can join and no bards running around plus it saves ALOT of extra coding.

[mixxit]

Magician pet death loop fixed

[Ektar]

If you not a lvl 1 gnome mage you can't enter thats what I say.

Perfectly balanced anyone can join and no bards running around plus it saves ALOT of extra coding.

you're joking, yes? =p

[astarothel]

Perfectly balanced anyone can join and no bards running around plus it saves ALOT of extra coding.

Pretty sure if I wanted Guild Wars snowball fights, I'd log into GW on Christmas.

[ooantipostoo]

I want the sounds when someone dies or gets a crippling blow! Also would Like to see a possible kill counter like in Counter-strike that counts deaths and kills.

[mitic]

nerf bards
[some more text]

i stoped reading after the first 2 words

[ooantipostoo]

As I said before....
This should be all lvl 1 naked gnome mages.

I liked the pvp ya but there was no balance at all 4 bards could win against the whole server :/

ALSO as a side note I found a pretty screwy bug, if a bard and a mage duel and the bard charms the mages pet, the pet goes away. So now you got 4 bards making everyones pets go away plus snatching up flags......

If you not a lvl 1 gnome mage you can't enter thats what I say.

Perfectly balanced anyone can join and no bards running around plus it saves ALOT of extra coding.


I'm way against this level 1 stuff. I like the fact of using the armor I worked hard for against other players. It challenges you unlike any NPC would making you get to know your character even more. This develops new skills in all aspects. Not to mention its really fun.

[Vyal]

Aside from the unbalanced fights its cool, when we did the test I had RED and BLUE of the same guild trying to kill me.. Raren was going around mezzing all of red while he was on red :/

[Zordana]

Aside from the unbalanced fights its cool, when we did the test I had RED and BLUE of the same guild trying to kill me.. Raren was going around mezzing all of red while he was on red :/

reminds me on the kiddies that used to join counterstrike servers and then kill teammates round for round, thats in fact almost the same

[ulrich]

Best server ever! I know this took some work , and I'm not putting down all the hard work involved.

It is just that this sounds like WOW's capture the flag. Or Warhammers Capture the flag. Or Quake World Ctf capture the flag?

I thought this was classic eq. Not lacing parts of WoW pvp into classic eq. Because a few loud people cried for it. Since they are bored at 50. It's just not Classic Everquest in the slightest to have a capture the flag event.

Just my 2 cents :P ignore if you want.... w/e.

BotB tourneys ... Now that's classic eq!!

Just seems to me that people are missing Wow or something. Doesn't hurt anything I guess. It's just very odd. I just don't get involved in the pvp part of the game. Eq is PvE to me "asides from the botb". Always will be. It's nice to have events don't get me wrong. This just reminds the majority of the players of World of Warcraft. Flame away :) just my opinion.

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[mixxit]

when we were working on the mechanics for this we were more thinking along the lines of quakeworld ctf than wow, personally i've never played wow and would consider the concept of capture the flag universal

[Vyal]

When I played EQ on classic sol ro server we had events that you could only enter if you where a lvl 1 gnome mage - the winner got the title the burning champion <~~~ ME :) It was a huge hit and worked well and it was classic cause it was classic...

I have not saw any classic type gm events and being in pot ain't classic :confused:

I just want to pvp if you guys don't keep it classic I really don't care.

[Chieling]

make a new zone. use the basic models from other zones. if you want to do a capture the flag, use any type of open zone..... Skyfire for example.

add in merchants - killable or not - with NO RENT, TEMPORARY or whatever flags on items. make them free. food/water/ammo/components/etc. this way you dont have to sweat someone tryin to load up on stuff and sellin it outside of the zone.

add in the flags..... gobbos. capture them and get the count. side with the most counts get the loot rights of a bag at the end.

the possiblities that could be done with this are endless. imo, the coding would be minimal, you could use old zone landscapes, add in different models, and totally change the basic game. this could change things from an every man for himself to a 50v50 gang bang.

this has the possiblity from getting away from "Classic" but really imo.... Classic had its set of issues. Why not leave the game "Classic" but leave other things for the bored lvl50s and other people to do? if you dont like it, simply dont do it.

and if thats something that would be of interest, thats a whole thread of its own.

[nilbog]

Don't feel bad posting opinions in here. We do want the feedback.

It is just that this sounds like WOW's capture the flag. Or Warhammers Capture the flag. Or Quake World Ctf capture the flag? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_the_flag

Capture the flag (CTF) is a traditional outdoor sport often played by children or sometimes adults where two teams each have a flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag) (or other marker) and the objective is to capture the other team's flag, located at the team's "base", and bring it safely back to their own base.I suppose if we do it in a video game setting, and you played CTF in a video game, it will seem like whatever you want to apply it towards.

I personally consider it a good way to test pvp mechanics. I don't see people lining up for the arena of west freeport. /duel and arenas, and botb are classic things.

For this, no rewards or loot, or anything.. is gained. Purely optional.

BotB tourneys ... Now that's classic eq!!For the best of the best tournaments, titles will be awarded appropriately. On that note, there is an issue with the best of the best titles. Usually a server had 1 winner of each class, that then went to tiered battles against other servers where they could win the 2nd, or 3rd title for their class. Well, we don't have more than 1 server competing against itself... should we have 3 botb.. or just the one? A quick thought on what I'm talking about..

Three titles were given out in the best of the best competitions on live servers

-first title was the lvl 51 character title you got.
-second title was the 55 title
-third title was the 60 title

example of this.. paladins. Cavalier, Knight, Crusader

Since we will not be competing with other servers

Just before Kunark opens, we could have a prekunark best of the best. This could yield the 51 title to the winner.

Before Velious opens, we have a kunark best of the best. This could yield the 55 title to the winner.

When game is nearing high raiding level of velious, we have a velious best of the best. This could yield the 60 title to the winner.

Like I said, just a thought. We do have time.

I have not saw any classic type gm eventsDo you mean, events that happened on classic servers? We tried to do a bloody kithicor.. 150 came and it blew up the zone. I think things are running smoother now, and more optimized to handle more capacity, but it is yet untested.

and being in pot ain't classicWell if this was classic, you wouldn't know plane of time isn't classic. Maybe Rallos Zek was a lazy bastard on live, and never got to do CTF. I needed to choose a map that I could alter and put things in, and not have people complain about added elements to a classic zone that shouldn't be there.

All in all, do you not want this? Do you want *only* gm events from classic? No offense to the original devs, but we can do better ones.

[Lonedrahon25]

Im with you Nilbog, i think using PoTime was a great idea. I welcome using non classic zones more frequently in the comming events. Its just unused environments that are just waiting to be used.

[Icecometus]

I had a lot of fun despite the bugs and restarts. I liked the random teams :) was cool to have to work together with people from other guilds and I think it can only help guild relations. Bards were a little off the hook but hey they have had a hard time here with all the problems with bard mechanics (happy to see they are being fixed). I played a lot of Quake III and a shit load of CTF and I definitely felt that vibe, my two favorite games combined = BADASS. I would try to convert a couple more maps as time permits, a indoor dungeon style map would be awesome :) thanks again guys

[Secrets]

Best server ever! I know this took some work , and I'm not putting down all the hard work involved.

It is just that this sounds like WOW's capture the flag. Or Warhammers Capture the flag. Or Quake World Ctf capture the flag?

I thought this was classic eq. Not lacing parts of WoW pvp into classic eq. Because a few loud people cried for it. Since they are bored at 50. It's just not Classic Everquest in the slightest to have a capture the flag event.

Just my 2 cents :P ignore if you want.... w/e.

BotB tourneys ... Now that's classic eq!!

Just seems to me that people are missing Wow or something. Doesn't hurt anything I guess. It's just very odd. I just don't get involved in the pvp part of the game. Eq is PvE to me "asides from the botb". Always will be. It's nice to have events don't get me wrong. This just reminds the majority of the players of World of Warcraft. Flame away :) just my opinion.

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It's not like they are being FORCED to ruin their classic experience. This is completely voluntary.

Also, This is taken from Quake, which is in the same era as classic EQ. A lot of the original EQ devs are quake fans. BFG for example. While it wasn't in classic it's a nice little diversion. It's not like we're summoning you in there and saying "LOL DO IT"

[Shannacore]

secrets duel meeeee

[Pheer]

For the best of the best tournaments, titles will be awarded appropriately. On that note, there is an issue with the best of the best titles. Usually a server had 1 winner of each class, that then went to tiered battles against other servers where they could win the 2nd, or 3rd title for their class. Well, we don't have more than 1 server competing against itself... should we have 3 botb.. or just the one? A quick thought on what I'm talking about..

Three titles were given out in the best of the best competitions on live servers

-first title was the lvl 51 character title you got.
-second title was the 55 title
-third title was the 60 title

example of this.. paladins. Cavalier, Knight, Crusader

Since we will not be competing with other servers

Just before Kunark opens, we could have a prekunark best of the best. This could yield the 51 title to the winner.

Before Velious opens, we have a kunark best of the best. This could yield the 55 title to the winner.

When game is nearing high raiding level of velious, we have a velious best of the best. This could yield the 60 title to the winner.

This sounds like a great idea

[Haynar]

..... and I'm not putting down all the hard work involved.

Read the rest of your post. You did put down the hard work done on the server, because when the Devs decided they wanted to have some fun, you put down their efforts.

Then your enticement of "Flame away" means that you intentionally were putting the Devs down and knew it.

Congratulations, you made my list.

Haynar

[Gorroth]

I applaud any effort to add some PvP into P99, despite the nightmare of trying to balance everything. Thanks devs.

Naysayers can go fuck themselves.

[Zordana]

It's not like they are being FORCED to ruin their classic experience. This is completely voluntary.

Also, This is taken from Quake, which is in the same era as classic EQ. A lot of the original EQ devs are quake fans. BFG for example. While it wasn't in classic it's a nice little diversion. It's not like we're summoning you in there and saying "LOL DO IT"

OMG i DO want to loot the BFG!!

[Zordana]

this is totaly awesome and it isnt like you would get uber gear for doing this.. this is zone in, have some fun, zone out, thats it!
so "this isnt classic" is like the last thing you should think about!

dis is great, hooray to nilbog secrets and mixxit!!!!!

[Mountaineer]

For the best of the best tournaments, titles will be awarded appropriately. On that note, there is an issue with the best of the best titles. Usually a server had 1 winner of each class, that then went to tiered battles against other servers where they could win the 2nd, or 3rd title for their class. Well, we don't have more than 1 server competing against itself... should we have 3 botb.. or just the one? A quick thought on what I'm talking about..

Three titles were given out in the best of the best competitions on live servers

-first title was the lvl 51 character title you got.
-second title was the 55 title
-third title was the 60 title

example of this.. paladins. Cavalier, Knight, Crusader

Since we will not be competing with other servers

Just before Kunark opens, we could have a prekunark best of the best. This could yield the 51 title to the winner.

Before Velious opens, we have a kunark best of the best. This could yield the 55 title to the winner.

When game is nearing high raiding level of velious, we have a velious best of the best. This could yield the 60 title to the winner.

Like I said, just a thought. We do have time.

Do you mean, events that happened on classic servers? We tried to do a bloody kithicor.. 150 came and it blew up the zone. I think things are running smoother now, and more optimized to handle more capacity, but it is yet untested.

Well if this was classic, you wouldn't know plane of time isn't classic. Maybe Rallos Zek was a lazy bastard on live, and never got to do CTF. I needed to choose a map that I could alter and put things in, and not have people complain about added elements to a classic zone that shouldn't be there.

All in all, do you not want this? Do you want *only* gm events from classic? No offense to the original devs, but we can do better ones.

I think this BotB Idea is great. I know a lot of people remember it and just can't wait for it. And having 3 different ones...and 3 different times....lets people practice more and have more opportunity to shine (or get revenge on someone who beat em before lol).

Also...we are missing a lot of the old classic events. The 2 that I remember doing a few times were...Of course the HALFLING Jump! IN Rivervale. And the level 1 Barbarian Race from Halas to the EK Bridge...(with several Check Points you have to stop at and get items.).

The CTF Event...well, just about everything has been said. It was a lot of fun none the less, and I am glad to see ya'll trying to get us some fun activities! Thanks!

[Isenguard]

I remember there being a dance competition! With people making use of duck and feign death to come up with the best dance routine, haha. :rolleyes:

[twizztid]

Where and when is this CTF? I want to play.

[ulrich]

Read the rest of your post. You did put down the hard work done on the server, because when the Devs decided they wanted to have some fun, you put down their efforts.

Then your enticement of "Flame away" means that you intentionally were putting the Devs down and knew it.

Congratulations, you made my list.

Haynar


Harakiri

I did not put down the work. Just the idea of a pvp capture the flag event. I am very sorry If I did put down the work. I am very sure that the work everyone did was great. I understand capture the flag originated in the 1930's or whatever. My opinion though is that it reminds 90+% of mmorpg players of wow. Deny it if you want but you know it's true.

Flame away is me saying people are going to have strong opinions from the other view.


That is all :(

Sorry if you don't like criticism. You just put people on your shit list for criticism.


http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7232
^^ this is the thread where the idea came from. Not really putting down the devs for I.B's wants/idea. As you can tell most the people were from that guild that wanted this event. Kinda odd also that everyone from I.B that wanted to join got to. But others were denied. Must have some kinda Secrets :P

hehe sorry if anyone got offended , I agree I am not being forced and it does not effect me at all. Please don't ban me for criticism. My wife was telling me to write how unclassic it was. Very adimitly when she saw the announcements. So I did.

[Secrets]

Must have some kinda Secrets :P


Hey buddy, fuck you.

[Uaellaen]

could use team channels for blue / red for easier communication, leaves shout for taunting :p

[Uaellaen]

if people are rooted they sometimes to get returned to the flag base when they die ... they just get 100% hp and mana and are happy to be in YOUR base to kill you now ...

[Uaellaen]

naw ... i killed laledorn like 10 times from the opposite team, not a single reset on him ... he just got full hp full mana and went on like nothing happened :o not a single time he was dragged to the starting zone ><

[Uaellaen]

another suggestion ... please also remove blind ... my screen was more black then anything ...

[Isenguard]

Had a blast again today, thanks devs!

1. Firstly targeting is very hard, if your targeting someone pulling the flag, or even if you have the flag. The gob gets in the way and just surrounds the target, making him very unclickable (no matter who your trying to target). I ended up resorting to typing out /target (X), but usually they were too far off.

How about you make it that if you target the gob, it automatically targets the flag holder? Or just make it so the gob can be targeted through.

2. Root; can be broken by a spell, cant remember which, might be if you mez yourself. Doesn’t affect snare though.

3. Blind, I don’t mind it in CTF, but maybe reduce its duration?

4. The low level’s have too hard a time, especially when all we have to do is /pet attack, and there dead in seconds.

5. Player death, I had a few instances where I was being chased by a corpse attacking me? People not despawning on death for 10 seconds. Or people just respawning in place with 100% everything, which happened to me.

6. Suicide; people suiciding for 100% mana/health, maybe on death there may be a 30s timer before respawn? Yes I used this to my full advantage :D

I may think of more bugs later, but had too much fun today!

Ended up with a 3/3 Divinity rumble at the end.

[Pyrocat]

Really fun!

couple of things:

1. All forms of mez are bugged. After mez wears off, the target cannot cast spells for between 20 seconds and a couple of minutes afterwards. Extremely annoying, because if a chanter gets one mez off on a caster, they're out of the fight for a couple of minutes, regardless of the duration of mez.

2. Necro nuke that turns you into skeleton form is permanent, you don't turn back.

[Anuril]

Feedback:

1. Melee damage is borked, but this is a well known issue. I was barely doing damage to Abacab who was naked.

2. I would get the message that I had died in a valiant struggle and then not be ported back to base immediately. I could still run around and hit people when I was supposedly dead.

3. Buffs do not always wipe upon death.

4. Mez is bugged/overpowered as stated by Pyrocat.

5. Blind seems to be a little overpowered as well. A couple of shaman/paladin's could keep lots of people perma-blinded.

6. Line of Sight wasn't working correctly. For instance hiding behind a huge boulder didn't block LoS on an enemies snare.

Suggestions:

1. Team specific chat channels would be nice.

2. Add a drop command for flag/goblin carrier.

[nerfed]

Greatly increase mana and hp regen while sitting for x amount of time. Right now it is better to die to get fm than wait 10 minutes meding.

Add a map with starting areas and default flag locations labeled.

[Pyrocat]

Feedback:

1. Melee damage is borked, but this is a well known issue. I was barely doing damage to Abacab who was naked.

2. I would get the message that I had died in a valiant struggle and then not be ported back to base immediately. I could still run around and hit people when I was supposedly dead.

3. Buffs do not always wipe upon death.

4. Mez is bugged/overpowered as stated by Pyrocat.

5. Blind seems to be a little overpowered as well. A couple of shaman/paladin's could keep lots of people perma-blinded.

6. Line of Sight wasn't working correctly. For instance hiding behind a huge boulder didn't block LoS on an enemies snare.

Suggestions:

1. Team specific chat channels would be nice.

2. Add a drop command for flag/goblin carrier.

Completely agree with both suggestions.

As to the blind feedback: blind was always overpowered in PVP. I used to constantly lose duels with my paladin friend because he would spam blind and I had no MR gear. This makes getting resist gear and buffs extremely important, as it should be in PVP.

Blind also adds an element of strategy, for casters at least. Whenever I got blinded I had to remember what spells were in what slots so I could ALT-12345 .etc to cast them. If I wasn't sure who my target was, I would hit escape and hope they were attacking me so that I would auto target them, then spam blind/dot/root .etc then tab back to myself for heals. It also makes having your sound on a necessary strategy.

[eqdruid76]

Not so much feedback, as a question. Once all this pvp testing is complete, is it going to be common practice to have events using non-classic mechanics in non-classic zones on a classic server?

Just wondering, because I'm a little confused about that.

[Zordana]

Not so much feedback, as a question. Once all this pvp testing is complete, is it going to be common practice to have events using non-classic mechanics in non-classic zones on a classic server?

Just wondering, because I'm a little confused about that.

to quote secrets:
It's not like they are being FORCED to ruin their classic experience. This is completely voluntary.

so what is wrong with having this? this doesnt affect the normal playstyle of the server at all, it doesnt give you any bonus or anythin, so wtf..

[eqdruid76]

to quote secrets:
It's not like they are being FORCED to ruin their classic experience. This is completely voluntary.

so what is wrong with having this? this doesnt affect the normal playstyle of the server at all, it doesnt give you any bonus or anythin, so wtf..

Don't get pissy with me, I just asked a question.

And I'll elaborate on that question further. Is the longterm goal of P99 to emulate Everquest pre-Luclin? Or to emulate World of Warcraft?

Again, I'm just asking, so save the rage for your pvp opponents.

[Secrets]

Not so much feedback, as a question. Once all this pvp testing is complete, is it going to be common practice to have events using non-classic mechanics in non-classic zones on a classic server?

Just wondering, because I'm a little confused about that.

We're not forcing you to do it. There are no rewards for doing it. How is that going to ruin your classic immersion?

We're trying to do something fun for once. Do you play this game just so you can have classic everquest, or do you play it to have fun?
That's what a video game is about; having fun with it. If you have to debate whether it was classic or not, that just ruins the whole point of having fun. In 2001, we had fun with the game. This is fun for the people who choose to play it. Are you going to limit yourself from having fun playing a PVP CTF game *just* because it's ruining your immersion? Because let's be honest, that's completely and utterly unreasonable.

[Taxi]

Hey

First of all, thanks alot for trying to put in pvp at all, some of us played on PVP servers on live, so that was our classic experience. This is great.

Things ive read in this thread i agree on:

"Suicide; people suiciding for 100% mana/health, maybe on death there may be a 30s timer before respawn? Yes I used this to my full advantage."

You also have to gauge stuff about death you shouldnt, like if i kill this guy, will he spawn back at zone full health and stop my team from stealing flag? Granted he will spawn at some point but death should be more of a penalty than right now.

"level difference and gear"

This is one thing that was harsh and possibly not a good thing at all, is that someone alot higher than you is basically unkillable in EQ. People bitch about WoW but thats one thing they got right, killing a 52 hunter who got cocky and took a few people at once with my 27 priest was something that hooked me to WoW pvp on the spot. Not sure what you can do to fix that, or at least minimize it, if there is a will/time for it.

"Dungeon like zones"

Last friday someone suggested this in-game to play on smaller maps when pop is lower. Would also be nice to not be playing the same map all the time. Im not sure how hard that chore is though, and how much time you devs have to devote to it vs. dealing with all the other stuff.

All that work load brings me to my next point:

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Heres my suggestion for bringing EQ classic pvp to those who want it, while leaving others who dont to not do it:

Make reds be able to group with blues (im assuming they cant, just like on live, which is the main reason why no one went red).

WoW battlegrounds killed wow pvp for me. Because it restricts the pvp to 3 zones. There is like 20 zones, with a gigantor amount of ambush spots, hiding spots and buildings etc etc, and you are funneling players into only 3 zones :mad: (Im not bitching about the CTF just to be clear, just making a point about how fun server-wide pvp is, i totally understand pvp on p99 is in beta form and im glad it is available, at all)

Its the same in EQ. pvping in Gfay on platforms was just epic, same went for crushbone, runnyeye, WC, all the zones were available to pvp in. Bonus points? You dont have to code anything beside reds being able to group with blues. The only thing that blues would have to decide is do we want the trouble of having a red in group? Granted no would be the answer alot of times but it would help kick off server-wide pvp i think, with what seems to be a smallish load of work for you devs and at the same time pve players can stick to pve. Win-win.

Another way of doing this would be to let guilds war dec each other. I can totally see entire alt guilds devoted to pvping. Leveling a character while you have to watch your back all the time is something you dont get from put-put-ing it on PVE, its a constant rush of adrenaline to be walking around, watching the /who channel to see if your arch-enemy doesnt pop in zone.

Im not sure what the decision would be lvl wise if you would try to get this to work, but on the vallon emu its 8 lvls, and it seems a reasonable decision to me, on Rallos it was 4 and sometimes it felt a bit restricted.

[eqdruid76]

We're not forcing you to do it. There are no rewards for doing it. How is that going to ruin your classic immersion?

We're trying to do something fun for once. Do you play this game just so you can have classic everquest, or do you play it to have fun?
That's what a video game is about; having fun with it. If you have to debate whether it was classic or not, that just ruins the whole point of having fun. In 2001, we had fun with the game. This is fun for the people who choose to play it. Are you going to limit yourself from having fun playing a PVP CTF game *just* because it's ruining your immersion? Because let's be honest, that's completely and utterly unreasonable.

Are you saying that classic EQ is not fun? If not, then why even bother with the server? That's why the vast majority of your players are on your server, not for custom rules pvp content they can get on any number of other servers out there.

Having said that, it is you guys' server to do with as you see fit,and I'm not about to argue with it. There just seems to be a lot of time, development and attention going into a pvp system that never existed on the game you're advertising you emulate.

[nilbog]

There just seems to be a lot of time, development and attention going into a pvp system that never existed on the game you're advertising you emulate.

Not so much. The way that is set up, I start it, and then leave it to go. I come back later and read feedback. It took a little time to initially create, but that was actually fun. The perl used for the event can be used for other things. *cough* test of tactics.

You have gained nor lost anything here. This is something the developers put together to help both you and us. We will have best of the best tournaments.. and I'd like them to actually work.

I don't see people lining up to duel or use the broken arenas.

It really sucks when development effort is "put down" in any way though, I'll tell you that.

[eqdruid76]

Not so much. The way that is set up, I start it, and then leave it to go. I come back later and read feedback. It took a little time to initially create, but that was actually fun. The perl used for the event can be used for other things. *cough* test of tactics.

You have gained nor lost anything here. This is something the developers put together to help both you and us. We will have best of the best tournaments.. and I'd like them to actually work.

I don't see people lining up to duel or use the broken arenas.

It really sucks when development effort is "put down" in any way though, I'll tell you that.

I'm not putting it down. I'd just rather see it go towards emulating Everquest.

But if it has no bearing towards gameplay or the future of the project, then I'll shut up about it.

[Destructo]

Wasn't classic!

You're not supposed to have fun playing project 1999.

[Uaellaen]

It really sucks when development effort is "put down" in any way though, I'll tell you that.

So true ... you people should realy start to appreciate the hard work the devs put in here, since all that whining and complaining about everything is just eating away at the devs ... luckily they know its just a handfull of whiners, and the rest of us stands behind them to back them up!

[Taxi]

Hey i hope my wall of text wasnt taken as putting down the devs work with pvp, seriously. I was just putting out ideas out there to improve the server long term. <3

[Uaellaen]

nah i think he was talking about the druid douche he was quoting ...

[eqdruid76]

So true ... you people should realy start to appreciate the hard work the devs put in here, since all that whining and complaining about everything is just eating away at the devs ... luckily they know its just a handfull of whiners, and the rest of us stands behind them to back them up!

You've done plenty of whining, yourself.

And I wasn't putting them down. I simply asked a question.

[eqdruid76]

nah i think he was talking about the druid douche he was quoting ...

What color is the kettle?

[Uaellaen]

Purple

heres my prove

http://www.tv-nostalgie.de/Sound/Milka.jpg

[eqdruid76]

Purple

heres my prove

http://www.tv-nostalgie.de/Sound/Milka.jpg

News flash: You're nowhere near as clever or witty as you think you are.

Oder haben Sie das vergeßt?

[Uaellaen]

Nein, das habe ich nicht vergessen.

[eqdruid76]

Purple

heres my prove ]

What color is the kettle this time? Is it another copy/paste of someone else's work?

[Uaellaen]

Indeed. Now it is green!

http://img.fotocommunity.com/photos/2330711.jpg <== evidence

[fohkure]

Maybe try to stay more on topic guys?

[eqdruid76]

Maybe try to stay more on topic guys?

Sorry. Got sucked into trading barbs with the german kewldood.

[Zordana]

is there any chance to announce this? it seems always to happen when im going to sleep early, i wake up the next day and people tell me how funny it was and then rumzuck gets sad! but when rumzuck gets sad, rumzuck just stops being sad and be awesome instead. true story!
still rumzuck wanna CTF:(

[YendorLootmonkey]

You dont have to code anything beside reds being able to group with blues. The only thing that blues would have to decide is do we want the trouble of having a red in group? Granted no would be the answer alot of times

Because that's what a blue group needs holding a camp in some dungeon... the group's tank, healer, or crowd controller getting PK'd at any moment.

Especially when the named with the phat lewt spawns.

And your red cleric can't heal the tank because a red necro just dotted and sic'd his pet on him. And your entire group wipes because of it, and you can't do a single thing about it because you are blue.

OMG that would be so thrilling and fun.

;)