Looking for some educated theories on Velious's Black Pantherskin armor.

[Flash]

So I just found out (yeah, been away for a while) that Wu's fighting armor recipes were removed from the current game because they weren't available until mid-Velious, and as a result Wu's armor prices have spiked. So now I'm faced with a decision, because I definitely want to roll a Monk alt when Velious hits (gonna be my money farmer at CC geodes, current Main is a 44 Shaman), and now I'm torn between initial armor choices. Will Wu's still be an option at Velious, or will I be better served waiting for people to mass-produce Black Pantherskin armor and buy that instead?

Obviously I'm gonna save for a haste item and Velium HP/AC rings (got Diamondine earrings already).

Black pantherskin set: 89AC, 44STR, 34STA, 46DEX, 32AGI, 11CHA, 95HP. Weight = 4.8 stones.

I'm assuming it's not gonna be that much more expensive to make/sell than Wu's (232 trivial), but I dunno for sure. And I don't know if the higher stats are even gonna be worth it over Wu's. What do you guys think?

Also, are there gonna be any new weapons in Velious that'll be good for a Monk? I've got 2 trance sticks right now and I'm gonna get a quivering staff as well.

[ArumTP]

Wu trivial at 158
Panther skin trivial at 252

12 pp just to make a single velium boning (no fails) armor requires 1-4 boning
1-5 pp I expect per yew leaf
20-50pp depending on drop rates for panther skins.

This armor will be significantly more expensive based just on the trivial levels, or the components. I expect pricing to be a bit higher or equal to the culture smithing armors.

[Flash]

Wu trivial at 158
Panther skin trivial at 252

12 pp just to make a single velium boning (no fails) armor requires 1-4 boning
1-5 pp I expect per yew leaf
20-50pp depending on drop rates for panther skins.

This armor will be significantly more expensive based just on the trivial levels, or the components. I expect pricing to be a bit higher or equal to the culture smithing armors.

Well let's say 100 for bonnings, 5 per tannin, 50 per skin, so maybe 200pp per black pantherskin armor piece, maximum?

[Arteker]

netted armour?

[Kevlar]

Plus wu's uses spider silk which drops pretty much everywhere off level 5 mobs.

Panther skin uses an uncommon drop off a limited number of lvl 35 monsters in a single, fairly dangerous (roaming dragons and tough giants) zone.

The panther skin stuff isn't going to be sold much. I can see someone going out of their way to make themselves a set, but for the difficulty involved I can't see someone spending that much time to sell it even for 200pp.

[Flash]

Plus wu's uses spider silk which drops pretty much everywhere off level 5 mobs.

Panther skin uses an uncommon drop off a limited number of lvl 35 monsters in a single, fairly dangerous (roaming dragons and tough giants) zone.

The panther skin stuff isn't going to be sold much. I can see someone going out of their way to make themselves a set, but for the difficulty involved I can't see someone spending that much time to sell it even for 200pp.

I'm willing to bet there will be tailors who will be happy to make the armor if you provide the mats.

[ArumTP]

Its trivial level at 252, meaning never trivial.
Halfling, wood elves, erudites can close the gap between skills ups, more practically. The gap between the 158 252 is vast and expensive. No tailor is going to make this stuff at cost, the price will reflect the cost of leveling the skill and making it. If you figure 200, then it will be double or triple that.

[Flash]

Its trivial level at 252, meaning never trivial.
Halfling, wood elves, erudites can close the gap between skills ups, more practically. The gap between the 158 252 is vast and expensive. No tailor is going to make this stuff at cost, the price will reflect the cost of leveling the skill and making it. If you figure 200, then it will be double or triple that.

Fine, as long as it's not some ridiculous price like 5k per piece. Since it's a monk-only armor, that would be an absolute ripoff to charge so much given the cost of mats.

The most I'd pay is 1k per piece.

[Visual]

Wus armor was OP. glad it was removed

[ArumTP]

It will be a makers market, not a buyers market on this stuff, or any of the high level velious tailored armor. Wu's is relatively cheap and easy to make, people are/were maxing the skill and will likely be dumping this stuff on the market in attempt to cheaply max tailoring so they can get as high as possible for the shawl quests. There are two key spots 162, 176 for tailoring in the shawl quests. People max wu and hope for the best in getting the first flowing thought item and quit. I can't see more than 10 people on the entire server ever even attempting to take it all the way to the end. The effort to collect components is hardly worth the time for the end results, I don't think anyone is going to hunt in Wakening Lands for tailoring will sell that cheap. Expect prices to be closer or higher than current culture armor. Lostprophets is currently selling a complete set of Imbued Mithril Studded Armor for 15k, that seems like an indicator of where prices will be for high level tailoring.

[Zithax]

Wus armor was OP. glad it was removed

lol ok

[Messianic]

Black Pantherskin isn't that good anyhow. A few of the pieces are kind of neat (boots, pants maybe) and the appearance was nice, but AC is king for monks anyhow.

[Flash]

Black Pantherskin isn't that good anyhow. A few of the pieces are kind of neat (boots, pants maybe) and the appearance was nice, but AC is king for monks anyhow.

89AC and 32AGI isn't bad, not to mention the str, sta, dex, and HP from it. And it's low-weight.

[Messianic]

89AC and 32AGI isn't bad, not to mention the str, sta, dex, and HP from it. And it's low-weight.

The question isn't what the set itself gives - it's what do other possible options have in comparison. I can make a set of all vanilla armor for less than 3k that has more AC than that (100 AC, to be precise). Yeah, the AGI gives some AC - but if you pour the same pp and time into just getting the BIS gear as opposed to black pantherskin, your overall set of armor is immensely better.

[Nirgon]

Spend your money on a haste item, monks are retarded in Velious with primal

[Flash]

Spend your money on a haste item, monks are retarded in Velious with primal

What's primal?

Also, doesn't Velious introduce gem armor, where you collect an old no-drop armor piece and then turn it in with several different gems to get a nice class-specific armor piece?

Edit: Yeah, just checked. So the Grand Masters set would be way better for a monk than the Black Pantherskin set? And easier/cheaper to get?

[Arteker]

u can get a set of netted kelp armour from sirens grotto.

i dont remember stats but it have a decent ac and have nice str and sta and resists .

as monk ur worst enemy i guess are casters so if u got hps str and resists in armour: win

[Kevlar]

What's primal?

Also, doesn't Velious introduce gem armor, where you collect an old no-drop armor piece and then turn it in with several different gems to get a nice class-specific armor piece?

Edit: Yeah, just checked. So the Grand Masters set would be way better for a monk than the Black Pantherskin set? And easier/cheaper to get?

You either have to get it in kael arena or temple of veeshan. With a lvl 60 cap those aren't groupable areas. It takes a raid force to get those drops. It isn't like kunark where you can afk exp in karnors and get your class armor.

[Arteker]

You either have to get it in kael arena or temple of veeshan. With a lvl 60 cap those aren't groupable areas. It takes a raid force to get those drops. It isn't like kunark where you can afk exp in karnors and get your class armor.

wrong u can trigger plate cycle or just kill bank area with 1 grp.

or if any guild is cleaning pog u can ask for roots.

[Yukona]

Black Pantherskin will be at least 2k per piece made., Im sure. maybe more, for the reasons stated above. The estimate of 200 plat to produce a piece assumes that a) there wont be bidding wars for the raw comonents and b) that the item will be made successfully each time.

Im guessing, if someone is buying the pantherskins for 50 plat, someone else is going to offer 100. the price will rise to whatever the market will bear, just like it did for awhile with spiderling silk, oak bark, morning dew... all the tedious to get components. Add to that the fact that you will need a fairly high level toon to farm them, ie someone thats allready likely wealthy, and its likely that no one will bother unless its really worth thier time. the skins are likely to be very high demand due to tailors trying to skill up.

Then, consider that with a skill of 158 (wus trivial) a 252 triv item will likely fail, what, 7 out of 8 times? and you have say a base of 250 plat to ATTEMPT a piece, times 8 to SUCCEED at making. so, 2k. Then you have to figure thier will be markup, so that the tailor can continue his work. So.... 3k? 4k? Maybe no one will buy at that price, but thats what it will realistically cost to make. you might get a tailor to do it cheaper if you brought mats in bulk. Like say, 10 pantherskins and 10 yew leaves equals a piece.

Thats the sort of market that exsisted for this stuff back in the day on E Marr at least, where I was known to dabble in tailoring :)