Ulwyn ninja looted my quillmane cloak after I camped it for days.

[Nizzler]

Ulwyn was in asgard guild and knew I was camping quillmane for days, he ninja looted and camped out. Im petitioning it to have him banned for ninja looting and to recover my item. If you know who his main is, please let me know. lvl20ish shaman named Ulwyn.

[JenJen]

how do you camp quillmane? doesnt it pop in different spots? i assume you found him first and killed him for the xp? then how did he ninja it?

question time!

[Nizzler]

I was camping it with other people covering the spawn points, killed it on my main, and logged on my alt, I got there and he was on the corpse, looted cloak and logged, mind you he knew I was camping it. my kill, my cloak. Must have him banned.

[Silentone]

seems legit according to server rules u can not loot a corpse if you did not kill it w/o permission

[JenJen]

ouch, that sucks :(

[lilyanna]

Ouch !

In future get one of your friends to sit on the corpse whilst you log across and yes pretty shabby behaviour by the person who looted if it was done in that manner :(

[vespen]

if I am running along and I see a corpse on the ground with no one there I am gonan loot it.

[Silentone]

mind you he knew I was camping it

[Frieza_Prexus]

if I am running along and I see a corpse on the ground with no one there I am gonan loot it.

You certainly have the ability to loot it, but you do not have the right. Please see this thread:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73721

More specifically, I would direct you here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=635790#post635790

You loot unguarded corpses at your own risk.

[Heebo]

Must have him banned.

[vespen]

You certainly have the ability to loot it, but you do not have the right. Please see this thread:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=73721

More specifically, I would direct you here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=635790#post635790

You loot unguarded corpses at your own risk.

I am for the second half of the second link.

"Bottom line if you kill something and log off its fair game for whoever wants or comes by and loots said item"

[Frieza_Prexus]

I am for the second half of the second link.

That is certainly your right. However, looting a mob would still be in direct violation of the rules.

Again, loot at your own risk.

[Ulwyn]

yeah when i realized what i did i /ex'd lol im gonna petition for item transfer. No excuse

[azeth]

yeah when i realized what i did i /ex'd lol im gonna petition for item transfer. No excuse

^ stand up guy.

[Nizzler]

When you realized what you did? What happened?you saw the cloak and your brain went all out and short circuited while you looted? then /q'd?

[Ulwyn]

You need to stop smearing me bro. I petitioned for you to get your cloak back. You gave me a /loc and told me there were leggings there. I was running from a red mob so i clicked and looted the first thing i saw that wasn't a trash loot .... when i looked at my loot window thing and saw the cloak I was like "oh snap: /ex and here I am saying, calm down you'll get it.

[Nizzler]

No you said you had a mob on you where could you bring it so I could kill it, so i gave u a loc, didnt tell you there were leggings on the corpse, why in the world would I do that? theres a cloak on the corpse and Im going to tell you theres leggings come loot it?

[Harmonicdeth]

So you gave him permission to loot the legs?

[Ulwyn]

the bottom line is Im workin on getting your item back to you. You can whine and cry til it happens or you can calm down til it happens, the latter would be nice. I apoligized once, that should be enough it's a game. I'm sorry I accidentally took your pixels but I'm doing the right thing about it.

[Glorindale]

I was camping it with other people covering the spawn points, killed it on my main, and logged on my alt, I got there and he was on the corpse, looted cloak and logged, mind you he knew I was camping it. my kill, my cloak. Must have him banned.

LOL...are you for real? Guess what, your alt WASN'T camping it.

[Glorindale]

the bottom line is Im workin on getting your item back to you. You can whine and cry til it happens or you can calm down til it happens, the latter would be nice. I apoligized once, that should be enough it's a game. I'm sorry I accidentally took your pixels but I'm doing the right thing about it.

I'd keep it.

[Nizzler]

And now everyone knows not to trust glorindale, good job moron.

[Harmonicdeth]

Nizzler, did you tell Ulwyn that he could loot the legs? Kind of a big point in my opinion, or the fact that he is petitioning to have it put in your bag.

If you did tell him he could loot the legs, wtf were you thinking? Aren't those trade-able?

[Liukang]

you be dumb you be tough is what i tell my 3 y/o little girl

[Urbanzkopf]

I say be lucky that he is nice enough to apologise and try to get assistance returning it to you, could be worse he could say It's mine and GM could turn around and say harsh luck bro he didn't do anything wrong. But it sure sucks it happened in the first place.

[maahes]

I FUCKING LOVE NERD RAGE!!!!!

[Nizzler]

I honestly dont want the item back guy, that will take months MAYBE even years, what you did was shady as fuck plain and simple, one day you might be saying " Oops didnt know trakanon has 2 Donal BP's and I looted and /q'd", rather avoid that.

[Autotune]

We need Perun in here to help figure this all out with his maps and ninja looting experience :)

[Autotune]

I honestly dont want the item back guy, that will take months MAYBE even years, what you did was shady as fuck plain and simple, one day you might be saying " Oops didnt know trakanon has 2 Donal BP's and I looted and /q'd", rather avoid that.

Nice I got this quote for the nice guy who was willing to help you get your item back.

Now he gets to keep the cloak and not have anything done to his account.

[Nizzler]

lol.. what legs are you guys still talking about? There is a cloak on a quillmane corpse, I didn't tell him to come loot no freakin leggings, the logs will show eventually.

[maahes]

For the record. I agree with the OP. Dude is shady at best for looting the cloak. The average playing on P99 knows their shit. Pretty sure it was a dick move.

Though OP stop referring to people as "guy", I'm not even involved and it gets some nerd rage flowing in my veins.

[Urbanzkopf]

The average player being someone who has played long enough to know the game well.. If this is this guys first toon, he might not have played EQ since 1999-2000 for all you know. Sometimes it takes time to relearn the game yano.

[azeth]

Pretty obvious it was a dick move.

agree, likely. but, he stood up and admitted fault/petitioned. we all make mistakes.

except me.

[formallydickman]

agree, likely. but, he stood up and admitted fault/petitioned. we all make mistakes.


^ Everyone just live and learn.

[Autotune]

except me.

accept me.

[Hitchens]

The guy apologized. What do you want, a pound of virtual flesh?

[Autotune]

What do you want: a pound of virtual flesh?

You trying to summon Harrison?

[Hitchens]

>:(

[Danyelle]

accept me.

I accept you <3

[azeth]

^ now it's a brony thread!

[Frogie305]

When you realized what you did? What happened?you saw the cloak and your brain went all out and short circuited while you looted? then /q'd?

^-LOL-^

[Ulwyn]

the logs will show once you edit out your ooc and my tell asking about the legs sure. I'm tryin to get your cloak back to you. Go ahead and flame me all you want, I was just tryin to help in the first place. I don't normally camp light blue mobs that spawn too fast for me to kill. I'm not going to apoligize again because you are being petulant. If you want your item back you don't have to do anything. I've got the petition in here on the forums I'll log in and get you this stupid cloak when I get a response so calm yourself.

[Autotune]

^ now it's a brony thread!

Hell yeah!

[falkun]

Freiza has the relevant thread linked. The cloak belongs to the OP (assuming he rightfully killed it) until the server takes it away from him (via rot) or he explicitly cedes loot rights.

[fullmetalcoxman]

I am a quillmane noob. I have only killed it about 10 times, but I thought that either the legs or the cloak dropped? I can't ever remember them both dropping at the same time. Can they?

[Ulwyn]

no he ooc'd that the legs dropped to throw people off .... just happened to be what i was hoping for. Red mob chasing me i ran by and looked the first thing without a stack marker on it. I'm workin on gettin it back to him, but if he wants to keep being a jerk I'll delete my account and go play something else. Your choice

[Autotune]

no he ooc'd that the legs dropped to throw people off .... just happened to be what i was hoping for. Red mob chasing me i ran by and looked the first thing without a stack marker on it. I'm workin on gettin it back to him, but if he wants to keep being a jerk I'll delete my account and go play something else. Your choice

He already said you could keep the cloak. Keep it and keep your character. Think of it as a reward for having to deal with the OP being an idiot.

[falkun]

I'm not saying you intentionally did anything wrong, I don't have all the circumstances. I'm just stating that if OP killed quillmane, any loot on that corpse is his until explicitly ceded. If he ceded legs and you were in a rush, I can see how the mistake could get made, I'm battling the people who think its FFA in loot world, not your intentions in looting.

[Ulwyn]

Well regardless considering quitting anyway since I've been flamed on server chat. I make a newb move and panic and it ruins my reputation. Kinda no point in playing now right?

[Ulwyn]

Mabye the mature thing to do would be delete this thread and let me give you your cloak back

[Hitchens]

I don't think it's your reputation that has suffered as a result of this thread.

[Autotune]

Well regardless considering quitting anyway since I've been flamed on server chat. I make a newb move and panic and it ruins my reputation. Kinda no point in playing now right?

Lol you serious?

I've trained and killed a guy in LGUK who had cancer and all his guild mates hated me and called me names. Now look at me, I have the best reputation on the entire server and have tons of friends.

[fadetree]

He killed it on his MAIN, for his ALT to loot. I don't recognize his inalienable right to retain his item while he logs out and gets his alt. I don't think looting an obviously rare and needed item off of a corpse you didn't kill is a cool thing to do either, but I don't think he could claim he still had a looting lock on the corpse once he logs off the character that killed it.

[azeth]

You must have your "no drop" filter off, I can't imagine you accidentally clicked through the loot verification window.

Which reminds me of a bard named Hallertau, and his bitch cleric wife Xorena on Rodcet Nife. This guy was in my group, during a Lodizal raid (which I assembled on the sole condition that the map piece for the eyepatch was mine and the remainder lotto'd) and after we killed I instructed him to loot it up/link the loots and give me the corpse.

So I suddenly see the giant turtle carcass vanish, and I ask, "hey I thought the map was 100% drop rate?" and Hallertau responds "this map?" and links it. He ends up claiming he didn't have his No Drop filter on, and got off scott free.

I of course being 13 at the time bitched and whined via /petition so hard that I ended up suspended.

[Safon]

Well regardless considering quitting anyway since I've been flamed on server chat. I make a newb move and panic and it ruins my reputation. Kinda no point in playing now right?

Good lord, just leave already. If this is enough to make you quit the game, you sure as hell wouldn't have lasted much longer anyways.

Word to the wise, you'll have negative experiences in any mmo. Might want to stick to single player games where your fragile feelings can only be hurt by soulless npc's

[Frieza_Prexus]

He killed it on his MAIN, for his ALT to loot. I don't recognize his inalienable right to retain his item while he logs out and gets his alt. I don't think looting an obviously rare and needed item off of a corpse you didn't kill is a cool thing to do either, but I don't think he could claim he still had a looting lock on the corpse once he logs off the character that killed it.

Please check my post earlier in this thread. Loot rights belong to players not characters.

[Ulwyn]

not quite like that, just don't take this as seriously as some people. It's a game I made a mistake if that is going to get me branded a pariah there really isnt a point.

[MrSparkle001]

An alt that is incapable of killing a mob for it's loot has sole claim to the loot after the corpse goes public?

There is no official word on this yet, but I disagree.

Ninja looting is not a raid dispute. It is an individual basis. If a mob is killed in a non-disputable zone, the group (and thus raid/guild) that is merited the kill has rights to the loot.

Notice it says "the group (and thus raid/guild) that is merited the kill has rights to the loot." It does not say "the players", it says "the group". The alt is not in the group. The alt is not even in the game at this point and thus cannot be considered part of the group that is merited the kill.

It's great that Ulwyn wants to do the right thing and get the OP his loot, but according to that link he doesn't have to if he doesn't want to.

Also notice this:

Zones deemed Non-Disputable will have no CSR interaction on raid disputes. We will not respond to or take any action on raid disputes involving these zones. Currently the only zone that this applies to is Veeshan's Peak.

This quote defines Veeshan's Peak as the only non-disputable zone, unless at some point between the time of that post (December 2011) and now South Karana was also made non-disputable. This further invalidates the claim that precedent was set according to the link, because that link applies to non-disputable zones. It's right there in the quote. It specifically says "If a mob is killed in a non-disputable zone."

You cannot use that link as precedent for this situation.

Of course admins can alter or ignore these "rules" whenever they want. Each case really should be examined individually. I think people in this thread are trying to apply rules meant for raids to non-raid zones and mobs.

My personal thought: Once a corpse goes public it's fair game. If you want your alt to get the loot from a mob have that alt make the kill, or plan the kill out better so there's less chance of someone else looting while you log your alt and run to the corpse.

[Safon]

Not only has this thread shamed the op more than yourself, I guarantee you very few people will remember it down the road. This is a very insignificant event in the big scheme of things.

[Portsche]

accept me.I accept you <3

Without exception.

[Hitchens]

Thread is so bad.

[Mizard]

I've grouped with "Ulwyn" and others from Asgard. That guild is filled with tools. Specifically the players "College" and "Vowel".

I was only in their guild for a few days, but that was enough time to know what really goes on. For instance, we went to Lower Guk and "A Shimmering Orb" dropped. We rolled for the item. I won with a roll of 96 so I looted the item. Vowel instantly became a sore loser and cried to his boyfriend, College.

30 minutes later, College sends me a tell requiring me to give the item to Vowel. I explained the situation and nobody else in our group/guild would help defend me (including Ulwyn, who was present during this dilemma). Since I am new to the server and want to maintain a positive reputation, I reluctantly gave the item to Vowel and removed myself from the guild Asgard. College proceeded to send me hate tells for several minutes until I finally put him on ignore.

Based on these actions, I would say "Ulwyn" and others in Asgard are definitely ninja looting items -- or at least lying about what really happened.

Mizard - 23 Wizard

[Autotune]

This is a very insignificant event .

[Ulwyn]

Ha i stood up for you. Nice to see you got my back bud. I was there when you were accused and had your back when I knew it was an accident. You weren't here when this happened so you really have no say. Vowel isn't a member is Asgard either numb nuts.

[formallydickman]

Not only has this thread shamed the op more than yourself, I guarantee you very few people will remember it down the road. This is a very insignificant event in the big scheme of things.

[Kevlar]

See this would never have happened on EQMAC, where you can 2-box your alt. =)

[MrSparkle001]

I was only in their guild for a few days, but that was enough time to know what really goes on. For instance, we went to Lower Guk and "A Shimmering Orb" dropped. We rolled for the item. I won with a roll of 96 so I looted the item. Vowel instantly became a sore loser and cried to his boyfriend, College.

Guaranteed there's more to that story. There's always two sides to an argument, and each side is going to tell the story in a way that makes them look best.

[Hitchens]

What I have gotten from this thread is that Ulwyn isn't perfect and those that are mad at him aren't either.

[Danyelle]

Well regardless considering quitting anyway since I've been flamed on server chat. I make a newb move and panic and it ruins my reputation. Kinda no point in playing now right?

I wouldn't take this that seriously.

1. As had been said, OP has had his reputation a bit more slandered by this than you have.
2. This server has it's fair share of assholes. Many of whom do far worse things than loot a levi cloak of a dead winged horse in the middle of SK while on the run from red cons.
3. This is the forums. Take a look at RnF and you'll see there are far worse things than this going on, on a daily (nah, on a by-the-minute) basis. 50 plat says by 1 week after this thread receives it's last bump no one will even give a crap. It's only bump happy right now because it's a "hot spot thread" which will spawn from anything drama related. There's posters here that are like vultures for drama. It's funny to them (us). They'll bump it for laughs for a day at most (maybe longer if there's reason too) then forget about it and, more likely than not, go back to a debate about why IB or TMO sucks.

Trust me, no one really cares. You've proved you're at least a morally solid person anyway by offering it back. Leaving isn't the right response over this, there's no real reason to. Don't take it to heart.

Without exception.

Love and accept you too Portsche <3

Thread is so bad.

Make it better then!

[Safon]

I've grouped with "Ulwyn" and others from Asgard. That guild is filled with tools. Specifically the players "College" and "Vowel".

I was only in their guild for a few days, but that was enough time to know what really goes on. For instance, we went to Lower Guk and "A Shimmering Orb" dropped. We rolled for the item. I won with a roll of 96 so I looted the item. Vowel instantly became a sore loser and cried to his boyfriend, College.

30 minutes later, College sends me a tell requiring me to give the item to Vowel. I explained the situation and nobody else in our group/guild would help defend me (including Ulwyn, who was present during this dilemma). Since I am new to the server and want to maintain a positive reputation, I reluctantly gave the item to Vowel and removed myself from the guild Asgard. College proceeded to send me hate tells for several minutes until I finally put him on ignore.

Based on these actions, I would say "Ulwyn" and others in Asgard are definitely ninja looting items -- or at least lying about what really happened.

Mizard - 23 Wizard

The Asgard dirt keeps piling up; let it be know they are officially under "shitty guild suspicion code brown"

[SamwiseBanned]

wow. dem pixels man. this thread is just sad.

[Urbanzkopf]

This thread = cool story, would read again.

[Ambrotos]

I laughed. Amelinda is the only one that can move loot. Just petition in game and stop the nerd raging. The dude manned up and admited to whatever.

[Safon]

wow. dem pixels man. this thread is just sad.

You must be new here

[SamwiseBanned]

cant believe op whining about leaving a peg cloak to rot. you would think after 13 years people would learn how to camp things for an alt. btw how do you camp cloak for days, you all coked up?

[azeth]

you all coked up?

N LUVIN IT FK YEA

[Danyelle]

The Asgard dirt keeps piling up; let it be know they are officially under "shitty guild suspicion code brown"

http://i.imgur.com/cBwfW.jpg

[Metallikus]

Nice I got this quote for the nice guy who was willing to help you get your item back.

Now he gets to keep the cloak and not have anything done to his account.

I like it :)

[Tanthallas]

btw how do you camp cloak for days, you all coked up?

If anyone is, its def. Nizzler. Cracked out tells at all hours of the day/night to do AE groups for two weeks straight.

[Autotune]

I laughed. Amelinda is the only one that can move loot. Just petition in game and stop the nerd raging. The dude manned up and admited to whatever.

OP said he could keep it, do not move loot.

[Ulwyn]

if you are online i need your character names so when the gm gets to me i can take care of this.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Notice it says "the group (and thus raid/guild) that is merited the kill has rights to the loot." It does not say "the players", it says "the group". The alt is not in the group. The alt is not even in the game at this point and thus cannot be considered part of the group that is merited the kill.

It's great that Ulwyn wants to do the right thing and get the OP his loot, but according to that link he doesn't have to if he doesn't want to.

Also notice this:

This quote defines Veeshan's Peak as the only non-disputable zone, unless at some point between the time of that post (December 2011) and now South Karana was also made non-disputable. This further invalidates the claim that precedent was set according to the link, because that link applies to non-disputable zones. It's right there in the quote. It specifically says "If a mob is killed in a non-disputable zone."

You cannot use that link as precedent for this situation.

Of course admins can alter or ignore these "rules" whenever they want. Each case really should be examined individually. I think people in this thread are trying to apply rules meant for raids to non-raid zones and mobs.

My personal thought: Once a corpse goes public it's fair game. If you want your alt to get the loot from a mob have that alt make the kill, or plan the kill out better so there's less chance of someone else looting while you log your alt and run to the corpse.

At the risk of a massive derail, a group, for our purposes, can consist on a single person. Two people can kill a mob, and log one of them over to an alt while the other "awards" the loot rights to the alt. Why is that allowable, yet a single person logging over isn't?

Further, the ninja-looting incident that sparked the Rogean quote was in VP. A non-disputable zone. This does not limit the analogy. It enhances it. During a raid, a single individual, in a non-disputable zone was punished for ninja looting. Why would the rules be LESS stringent in a CSR zone?

The only material point is that there are special rules for a "raid" versus a single person. I posit that there is no such distinction.

I argued this point here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=635817&postcount=29 and here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=635835&postcount=39

I believe your definition of group is incorrect. I believe we should use the word in the general sense, and NOT in the everquest "click FOLLOW" sense. Under the colloquial use of the word group, players and not characters own the rights to the mob.

Also, there can be no distinction between a raid, a group, or an individual as far as the rules are concerned for our purposes. If I raid the Isle 1 Princess in sky and the corpse unlocks can ANYONE loot it? What if a 6 man group kills her? What if I solo it? This distinction will become EXTREMELY important with Lodizal.

YES, it is SMART to have someone watch the corpse, but we are debating the legal point not what is smart.

Finally, even IF the alt is not "merited" the rights to the kill the killing CHARACTER (owned by the same player that owns the alt) says: "I hereby grant full loot rights of this mob to XYZ (Alt). Surely, that must be allowable? If not, what happens if I solo, say, the paw buster and tell my monk friend in the basement to come get his pipe? Can another monk walking by loot it consequence free? The corpse unlocked afterall and the person I "awarded" the kill to couldn't have solo'd it.

[Hasbinlulz]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[Labyrrinth]

....

Which reminds me of a bard named Hallertau, and his bitch cleric wife Xorena on Rodcet Nife....

I couldn't stand either of those two, ugh. They were the whiniest, rudest, most self-entitled asses ever

[Alarti0001]

the bottom line is Im workin on getting your item back to you. You can whine and cry til it happens or you can calm down til it happens, the latter would be nice. I apoligized once, that should be enough it's a game. I'm sorry I accidentally took your pixels but I'm doing the right thing about it.

If true chill out nizz!

[casdegere]

I couldn't stand either of those two, ugh. They were the whiniest, rudest, most self-entitled asses ever

Nah, Autotune has them beat by a long way. Dat guy never shuts up.

[Nizzler]

If true chill out nizz!

I shut up about 7 pages ago lol.

[azeth]

I shut up about 7 pages ago lol.

only because you're an amateur and haven't set your preferences to show 40 posts per page!

[Arclanz]

You ninjalooted and got caught; and got called out. So rather than rerolling, you decide to mitigate damages by giving the stolen property back. Fine.

This is certainly better than just keeping it/rmt/whatever. But only time will tell what you actually do with it since everything here is just idle chatter.

First thing I thought of was "page 8." Not sure anyone remembers that or even heard of it; but the story made it to EQComic.

Other ninjalooters...ahem, I mean "reputable" folks here seem to back you up; and chastise the OP. ROFL.

[Alarti0001]

I shut up about 7 pages ago lol.

Didnt refresh my browser i showed 1 page when i posted ;(

[Thana8088]

Didnt refresh my browser i showed 1 page when i posted ;(

Stroke less. Refresh more.

[Shortstop]

Asgard is a young guild that is growing fast. We hope to have a sterling reputation on this server and encourage all out members and officer to act accordingly. If anyone has a complaint about our players or their conduct we encourage you to contact an officer. Kongfuzi If you have a complain about an officer by all means contact our guild leader Artaenc.

For anyone who all ready has our guild on "brown watch" I hope that you get to know our player base better and find them to be as kind and helpful as I know them to be.

I was not present for Maczar's issue in Guk but I would encourage you to talk to Artaenc.

I believe this is our first RnF thread so it is nice to be officially welcomed to the server!

-Shorts
Officer of Asgard

[Danyelle]

You ninjalooted and got caught; and got called out. So rather than rerolling, you decide to mitigate damages by giving the stolen property back. Fine.

This is certainly better than just keeping it/rmt/whatever. But only time will tell what you actually do with it since everything here is just idle chatter.

First thing I thought of was "page 8." Not sure anyone remembers that or even heard of it; but the story made it to EQComic.

Other ninjalooters...ahem, I mean "reputable" folks here seem to back you up; and chastise the OP. ROFL.

http://www.brellrants.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2734

You're not insinuating we're all this guy's alt accounts, or all ninja looters....are you?

Because clearly anyone who finds reason to think the guy may not be that bad is a cheater too.


I believe this is our first RnF thread so it is nice to be officially welcomed to the server!


Not an official P99 guild until someone posts about you in RnF!

[Pico]

thread so bad

[Senaiel]

So many bitches, one funny dog gif.

[Bodeanicus]

Lol you serious?

I've trained and killed a guy in LGUK who had cancer and all his guild mates hated me and called me names. Now look at me, I have the best reputation on the entire server and have tons of friends.

He's also blown trannies and sodomized nuns. Anything goes with this bunch of sociopaths in RnF. They'd probably buttfuck a baby for the right "lewt."

[Bodeanicus]

The Asgard dirt keeps piling up; let it be know they are officially under "shitty guild suspicion code brown"

So, just a another P99 guild?

[MrSparkle001]

Finally, even IF the alt is not "merited" the rights to the kill the killing CHARACTER (owned by the same player that owns the alt) says: "I hereby grant full loot rights of this mob to XYZ (Alt). Surely, that must be allowable? If not, what happens if I solo, say, the paw buster and tell my monk friend in the basement to come get his pipe? Can another monk walking by loot it consequence free? The corpse unlocked afterall and the person I "awarded" the kill to couldn't have solo'd it.

You, the character who made the kill, are still logged in. If would be different if instead of you telling your friend to come loot you logged off the character who made the kill and logged on an alt who had to run there and it took some time. Possibly if you announced in /shout or /ooc what you're doing it could preseve your loot rights, but to just assume that nobody will touch it without saying anything while you log your alt shouldn't preserve them.

This all should be settled on a case-by-case basis, and I do think the admins will make the right decision when these situations come up

I didn't reply to the rest because it will take some time and time is not something I have right now. I'll be back later. Questions like the definition of "group" are what's important. The admins know what they mean, it's all at their discretion.

[Tiggles]

Wow I just read this giant shitpile of a thread

Lets change the topic to RMT.

How much did that AON and Tobrins cost you Nizzler at lvl 6 new to the server.


http://i.imgur.com/GhSpB.png


[Mon Apr 02 17:30:29 2012] Nizzler tells you, 'hey there REDACTED, i just started on the server as a cleric, I came back from eq1 as a 60 cleric bad in kunark days and I was wondering if you're guild was looking for long term clerics for raids'[/b]
[Mon Apr 02 17:30:58 2012] You told Nizzler, 'certainly are looking for motivated long term clerics'
[Mon Apr 02 17:31:05 2012] Players in EverQuest:
[Mon Apr 02 17:31:05 2012] ---------------------------
[Mon Apr 02 17:31:05 2012] [6 Cleric] Nizzler (Dwarf) ZONE: qeytoqrg
[Mon Apr 02 17:31:05 2012] There is 1 player in EverQuest.

9 RL days later, Nizzler is asking my monk for PL and is level 34.
[Wed Apr 11 13:25:48 2012] Nizzler tells you, 'hey REDACTED, you plvlin for pp sir??'
[Wed Apr 11 13:28:34 2012] [34 Cleric] Nizzler (Dwarf) ZONE: freportn LFG

Little over 2 weeks later:
[Sat Apr 28 12:44:40 2012] [52 Vicar] Nizzler (Dwarf) LFG

3 weeks later:
[Tue May 22 14:27:06 2012] Nizzler says out of character, '57 cleric lfg'

2 weeks later:
[Tue Jun 05 16:25:03 2012] [60 High Priest] Nizzler (Dwarf)

[Frieza_Prexus]

I agree that situationally you may implicitly cede your loot rights. However, in a vacuum, the rules themselves clearly elaborate that if you did not kill the mob or have the rights granted to you that you do not possess those rights.

You may later have a ruling in your favor, but only after a factual inquiry by a decision maker, and only after putting your character "at risk."

[magus678]

Starting to think playing this game was a mistake

[Kimm Barely]

if i saw a 100 dollar bill on the ground and no one was around i'd pick it up

jus sayin

[Artah]

Ha i stood up for you. Nice to see you got my back bud. I was there when you were accused and had your back when I knew it was an accident. You weren't here when this happened so you really have no say. Vowel isn't a member is Asgard either numb nuts.

LOL, luckily he left Asgard eh?

[MrSparkle001]

Two weeks ago I found two 5's and a 10 laying folded in front of the store as I exited. Nobody was around so I picked them up, scanned the parking lot in case someone seemed to be looking for something they dropped, nobody was so I pocketed the money and left.

That's how it goes.

[Servellious]

Wow I just read this giant shitpile of a thread

Lets change the topic to RMT.

How much did that AON and Tobrins cost you Nizzler at lvl 6 new to the server.


http://i.imgur.com/GhSpB.png


[Mon Apr 02 17:30:29 2012] Nizzler tells you, 'hey there REDACTED, i just started on the server as a cleric, I came back from eq1 as a 60 cleric bad in kunark days and I was wondering if you're guild was looking for long term clerics for raids'[/b]
[Mon Apr 02 17:30:58 2012] You told Nizzler, 'certainly are looking for motivated long term clerics'
[Mon Apr 02 17:31:05 2012] Players in EverQuest:
[Mon Apr 02 17:31:05 2012] ---------------------------
[Mon Apr 02 17:31:05 2012] [6 Cleric] Nizzler (Dwarf) ZONE: qeytoqrg
[Mon Apr 02 17:31:05 2012] There is 1 player in EverQuest.

9 RL days later, Nizzler is asking my monk for PL and is level 34.
[Wed Apr 11 13:25:48 2012] Nizzler tells you, 'hey REDACTED, you plvlin for pp sir??'
[Wed Apr 11 13:28:34 2012] [34 Cleric] Nizzler (Dwarf) ZONE: freportn LFG

Little over 2 weeks later:
[Sat Apr 28 12:44:40 2012] [52 Vicar] Nizzler (Dwarf) LFG

3 weeks later:
[Tue May 22 14:27:06 2012] Nizzler says out of character, '57 cleric lfg'

2 weeks later:
[Tue Jun 05 16:25:03 2012] [60 High Priest] Nizzler (Dwarf)


LMAO.

[Harazzer]

Back to the top with you!

[Metallikus]

an instance where TMO busts out a dude for RMT, then guildinvites him next day....classic TMO behavior.

[OngorDrakan]

Just give me the damn cloak and be done with it.

[Nirgon]

It is known

[azxten]

Nizzler is a little bitch, thread over.

[afkbandito]

How do these threads get to 12 pages.

[Extunarian]

How do these threads get to 12 pages.

by setting your posts per page so low

[Daliant17447]

only because you're an amateur and haven't set your preferences to show 40 posts per page!

Where is this option for 40 posts per page that you speak of? I can only do 20.
http://i.imgur.com/QituH.png

[azeth]

Where is this option for 40 posts per page that you speak of? I can only do 20.
http://i.imgur.com/QituH.png

i dunno but i just counted and i most certainly have 40

[runlvlzero]

Two weeks ago I found two 5's and a 10 laying folded in front of the store as I exited. Nobody was around so I picked them up, scanned the parking lot in case someone seemed to be looking for something they dropped, nobody was so I pocketed the money and left.

That's how it goes.

More like this dood didnt just happen by quillmane.

He was waiting in the zone for the kill stalking the guy who made the kill and picked up the wallet.

Its more like a petty thug waiting outside of a bar to knock over some drunk girl and take her purse.

In otherwords carry a big fucking gun, don't get drunk, and have someone help lock the corpse for you ;p

But it would be nice if the Guides/Staff/GM's took an active approach in curbing this kind of douchebaggery. Including the shitting up of other groups camps in dungeons.