What's the deal with all the "Donating" for ports?

[ribaldron]

Seriously... have we matured a bit since live past asking people to *pay* for their port?

Honestly, if you're *expecting* a payment from someone, in any form, and will not procure your services without what you call a donation, what's the point?

I watched a conversation unfold today where a cleric was paid 200pp for a rez, and denied a player IN HIS OWN GUILD who was next to their corpse because he did not have 50pp to donate for the rez. A little argument ensued, needless to say, he didn't get the rez.

Seems to me that if you claim you're accepting donations, extra credit should possibly carry over to those who are less fortunate.



Anyway, genuinely interested in everyone's mentality on the matter, as I'm not afraid to simply tell a person, "Hey, if you can afford it, I want some money for my time." I could be out grinding instead.

I'd also like to take this time to write that I'm not cheap, I may not have a ton of cash yet, but I also haven't requested any ports / rez / etc.. just see the "Donations" thing a lot, and the above situation really kind of bothered me. I'm not insinuating that the community is all like that in any way.

[km2783]

My guess is people say donate because it sounds more polite and they don't have a set "value" in mind. They're willing to take any amount of compensation for their time. Those with money throw out numbers when saying they are donating to entice the porter/rezzer, those of us that are new to the server and broke beg for a pity port or say we're donating to hide the meager amount of pp we're about to throw into the trade window :D

[Akame]

Porting for donations. <--- Unspecified amount of coin but requesting paid services
Porting for XPlat. <-- Specified rates taxi (surprised I haven't seen any of those about).
Porting, donations accepted but not required. <---- Newbie friendly taxi.

Frankly it sounds like that cleric was soggy from the failboat he got off of.

[Tallenn]

I think you'll find that the attitude you are describing is the exception rather than the rule. MOST people that claim to be porting for donations (don't know about rezzing), mean exactly that: pay what you feel is a fair price. If you can't afford anything, or simply choose not to pay, you will still get ported. I personally don't look at it as a means of making plat, but more as something to do while I am hanging around town or just time-wasting, and maybe picking up some extra cash while I'm at it.

The other side of that is that when I'm offering ports for donations is the only time I will port. In other words, I have put aside that time to help folks get around the world of Norrath. Outside of that time is my time to gain experience and farm cash. When I'm doing those activities, I generally will not port anyone anywhere, though I sometimes make exceptions for guildies, and I usually offer to help the guild when it is mobilizing for a raid. What I don't make exceptions for is random people offering what they feel are large amounts of plat (usually like 50-80pp) to basically stop my experiencing time in order to taxi them around. I have yet to see someone offer truly large amounts for a port, so not sure what I'd say to that.

[guineapig]

I get tells for ports, I say sure.
I port to them, they tend to just hand me X, then I port them.
If they don't hand me anything it doesn't matter because they didn't offer and I didn't ask. However, the only time this has happened to me was when people were on corpse runs.

I never advertise ports but I also never turn them down (unless I'm in a group and they are waiting on me). I never ask for money either (obviously) but considering how little I actually get to play I take the donation because it's often my only source of platinum during an average day.

On the rare occasion that I can't be bothered I /role.

[ShadowWulf]

Porting, donations accepted but not required. <---- Newbie friendly taxi.
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Thats how I advertise on my shammy when i spend free time in Oasis and EC on my troll, Cuddles, buffing people. (Those in the area usually know me). For that matter I often just stop and sow, buff and heal people for no toher reason than I can! Sure im ruinning to a vendor, no big deal and it only takes a few seconds to buff a lv 1 in the noob areas to hell and back again, and makes their day better.

The flip side is people who do donate tend to donate VERY generously! Thanks guys! Makes getting groups easier also when people recognize you as a helpful player.

[Rania]

I completely agree with Ribaldron. I will always say "paying xPP for port from blah blah to blah blah" I figure "donating" makes it less probable I will get the port I want!

I think some poeple use the "Porting for donations" incorrectly. I have also heard of poeple saying this then refusing the port for less than a specific fee. Be honest. If you want donations, accept the fact that you may get 1CP! :)

I am a cleric so in terms of rezzes ... if I am in a zone and standing there doing nothing (lfg) rezzes are free. If I am in a group and could be using my mana to continue to xp for my group then I'll accept donations. If you want me to travel to the butt end of the world to rez your L10 corpse, it is gonna cost you!

[Omnimorph]

Let's face it, the reason people say donations is because they want you to pay as much as possible :p if they say porting for 10p people will pay 10p, where as someone else might pay 50p if you don't specify.

It's very similar to tipping waiters in restaurants, etiquette seems to say that 10% or w/e is the correct amount.

Refusing to do something when you're claiming you're doing it for donations is a pretty poor show though.

[Nedala]

Let's face it, the reason people say donations is because they want you to pay as much as possible :p if they say porting for 10p people will pay 10p, where as someone else might pay 50p if you don't specify.

It's very similar to tipping waiters in restaurants, etiquette seems to say that 10% or w/e is the correct amount.

Refusing to do something when you're claiming you're doing it for donations is a pretty poor show though.

I dont agree with that, when i offer ports for donations i do so because i dont want to force lowbies to pay me, lets say 30p.

I would say its more this way: People who offer donations for a port say donations because they dont wanna pay much and if they would offer 10p for a port it would minimize their chance.

[ribaldron]

A lot of what's been said made sense.

Just want to reiterate that I also feel as if mr. Cleric was the exception, but others have reported similar behavior.

I can now see what saying "Porting for Donations" makes sense, at least, in the way that you're saying it.

You're porting, and accepting donations, but without saying it like that, because then nobody would ever pay anything. :p

[Zexa]

I always make sure I have at least 20 empty bags slots on me at all times. That way when I need a port I can just put every item on me into my bags and claim I'm on a corpse run.

[Zordana]

i can just speak for me but..
no matter if i play my druid or my brothers cleric.. i always port / rez for donations!
this means pay what they find is right.. if someone wants to give me like 5pp, ill cancel the trade and port him for free for example..
or if i see a lvl 1 askin for a port and im around anyways, i just step by and port him for free..
cause.. if i would be in that position, id really appreciate the help...

treat others like you want to be treated or sumthin like that u know ;)

[Fatalhaze]

i can just speak for me but..
no matter if i play my druid or my brothers cleric.. i always port / rez for donations!
this means pay what they find is right.. if someone wants to give me like 5pp, ill cancel the trade and port him for free for example..
or if i see a lvl 1 askin for a port and im around anyways, i just step by and port him for free..
cause.. if i would be in that position, id really appreciate the help...

treat others like you want to be treated or sumthin like that u know ;)

Exactly. Right on brother. :)

[oldhead]

I didnt read any of this thread other than the OP...

People want payment for Buffs, Ports, Res's.

People get pissy with you if you try to "charge" them. They want to "Donate". This makes the buffers use the wording donation when they really mean payment.

I do this all the time with ports. I try to charge a flat rate which is in the middle of the donation range and I get flack for it.

[oldhead]

I completely agree with Ribaldron. I will always say "paying xPP for port from blah blah to blah blah" I figure "donating" makes it less probable I will get the port I want!

I think some poeple use the "Porting for donations" incorrectly. I have also heard of poeple saying this then refusing the port for less than a specific fee. Be honest. If you want donations, accept the fact that you may get 1CP! :)

I am a cleric so in terms of rezzes ... if I am in a zone and standing there doing nothing (lfg) rezzes are free. If I am in a group and could be using my mana to continue to xp for my group then I'll accept donations. If you want me to travel to the butt end of the world to rez your L10 corpse, it is gonna cost you!

I wish everyone would do this... lately I just have been ignoring anyone that doesn't put the price in their port requests.

Of course lowbies and CR's are exceptions.

[Pyrocat]

What's the deal with airplane peanuts??

[Kuldiin]

What's the deal with airplane peanuts??

Havent they banned them yet? Surely terrorisms have found a way of making them explode by now?

[Winston]

donation
contribution: a voluntary gift (as of money or service or ideas) made to some worthwhile cause

the mana bar should be platinum colored

[soup]

Are we really going to try and break this down into a semantical debate?

"it's not a donation, it's a fee!" or whatever else

[mitic]

if i want a port NOW, then i have to pay whatever amount is asked. highest i payd was 300pp for a port (it was my offer in /auction) since noone replied for 5 mins.

the porters/rezzers provide a service, it is their right to ask for money

[mitic]

I always make sure I have at least 20 empty bags slots on me at all times. That way when I need a port I can just put every item on me into my bags and claim I'm on a corpse run.

what a jew lol

[Kuldiin]

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http://celtic.theoffside.com/files/2008/04/cartman.jpg

[oldhead]

I always make sure I have at least 20 empty bags slots on me at all times. That way when I need a port I can just put every item on me into my bags and claim I'm on a corpse run.

I ported a guy for free who was on a corpse run in NFP...

I made him meet me at the banker just for my own amusement as he stood there naked, next to the banker, unable to pay for the port.

[Omnimorph]

Well, i'm lazy and inpatient, i'll pay more for someone to port me RIGHT NAO and they have to come and GET ME!

I'll throw in a clarity because i'm a nice guy though.

[pickled_heretic]

In life, it's a problem, because you see nonprofit organizations dodge taxes and so forth by accepting "mandatory donations" for various services and products. It's a misuse of the term "donation," which implies 100% voluntary payment, rather than a compulsory fee. Commerce is not regulated in everquest, though, so people can say whatever they want, but it's still considered a misuse of the term. On the other hand, people shouldn't be railed for porting people as a business and charging a fee. It makes more sense in many circumstances to both the client and the porter to have a flat fee. You don't feel like you've been shit on as a porter if you don't get paid and the customer doesn't feel awkward not knowing how much you expect for your services.

[BuzWeaver]

I suppose it was only a matter of time before the infamous Port Donation quandary was going to come up. At best back in the day I could make about 100pp an hour porting, however I never 'expected' coin. Perhaps its a matter of semantics or just a reason to dog kick a class.

Even as a young Druid now, I don't ask my fellow Druids for ports or even courtesy ports for corpse runs. Its was arguments like this that lead to NPC Binders and PoK, we saw how that all turned out.

[Mmohunter]

I once donated 15pp for a port. Then about 15min later I asked the same person if they can port me to another location (also offering a donation) and they replied "yeah, I'll port you again but not for 15pp lol" and he tried telling me I was cheap by giving him 15pp for the first port..

Some of you porters who take people around for donations are really assholes. It's a "donation", if you have a FEE for your ports then say so before you port.

That is all. /rant off.

[BuzWeaver]

I once donated 15pp for a port. Then about 15min later I asked the same person if they can port me to another location (also offering a donation) and they replied "yeah, I'll port you again but not for 15pp lol" and he tried telling me I was cheap by giving him 15pp for the first port..

Some of you porters who take people around for donations are really assholes. It's a "donation", if you have a FEE for your ports then say so before you port.

That is all. /rant off.

Just as long as its understood that its about the persons behavior and not the class. I would agree their comment was absurd, I would have no problem porting for 15pp.

[twizztid]

Paying per donation is pretty self explanitory. Your using a unique skill for someone who finds it beneficial in there favor. They pay as they can. People pay for donation, becuase if I was /shouting TPing to blah blah for 20p pst, the lowbies and or people going on corpse runs might not even bother asking, making it shitty for them just becuase they don't have the amount of pp, and I'm sure it would make some people uncomfortable asking to port for 4pp when clearly 20pp was stated, it makes there contribution seem low and unapritiated.

When asking for donations, people are much aware that they might get 1cp, or could get the very rich and gratful person who drops a PP bomb in your pocket. In the end it is what someone can donate, and the person taking the donations ( at least most ) are completely aware of the randomness of each donation.

Why the donations? Because like I said, it is a unique skill people don't mind paying for. Just like if I get a rez, you fuckin best believe I'm paying. It's just like any other skill. And another reason for donations, money makes the world go round baby.

This is threw my eyes, and how I would react. There are obviously probably alot of dick porters who complain about certain amount of donations and stuff, giving good porters bad names, just like there are in every class / skill user.

[twizztid]

Just as long as its understood that its about the persons behavior and not the class. I would agree their comment was absurd, I would have no problem porting for 15pp.



^ Agree'd

[twizztid]

In life, it's a problem, because you see nonprofit organizations dodge taxes and so forth by accepting "mandatory donations" for various services and products. It's a misuse of the term "donation," which implies 100% voluntary payment, rather than a compulsory fee. Commerce is not regulated in everquest, though, so people can say whatever they want, but it's still considered a misuse of the term. On the other hand, people shouldn't be railed for porting people as a business and charging a fee. It makes more sense in many circumstances to both the client and the porter to have a flat fee. You don't feel like you've been shit on as a porter if you don't get paid and the customer doesn't feel awkward not knowing how much you expect for your services.


K so you're saying if you were a newb and I said 20p a port, and you only had 5p, I can tell you to stuff yourself? ( obviously I could say it anyway but you know what I mean )

Reason for donation is some people don't have a huge amount of plat, hense donation. A porter would probably only feel shit on if a level 50 epic'd out gave him like 5p, that would be kind of weird, but in the end, it's still a donation. Fixed rate would be lame idea for newbs / corpse runners. Now of course I know there are pity ports, but that isn't your argument so :P

[kariden]

Getting around in classic sucks. Totally reasonable for wizards / druids to make some $$ porting people. Saves them the time of hoofing that shit.

[lethstang]

donations were implemented because we dont want nublets paying 30pp for ports. the higher level guys will donate 100p for rezzes, or 40pp for a donation because they are rich and it subsidizes the lowbies. Its a great system.

However, the cleric not rezzing someone right next to him because of lack of pp is BS. the pp donation is for your time, not specifically for the rez. that seems to be to be the exception tho not the rule, ive had so many friendly rezzes during my time here (shoutout to sydarm and flicka, and the other clerics who randomly send me tells asking if id like a rez. you guys rock my face).

[jilena]

I hate rezzing people more than anything. It's so gd boring meditating for 37 hours while saving a bunch of strangers a few minutes of their lives at the expense of a few minutes of mine.

That said I will never advertise that I am rezzing for donations. If I am bored doing nothing and someone offers me 300+pp to come rez them I might consider it. Most days I just don't give a shit. I don't know why (especially since it's easier money than farming loot) but I completely avoid trying to use rez as a money making tool.

That said I completely get overcharging for rez. I am probably the ONLY 50 cleric that has never been /anon or /role even once. I get tells all day from people wanting me to run all over creation to rez them. I don't get what goes through the minds of people who see me in like WK or something and think I would even be slightly interested in coming to unrest to rez them for 25pp. You may as well say "Oh, Hi, I'd like you to waste 30 minutes of your life plus 50pp of your own money to get a port in order to save me 30 minutes of my exp time for a grand total of 25pp cost to you!" "What do you mean you aren't interested?!?!?!"

Just change it to say "REZZING FOR PLAT PST!" because donations is lame.

[PhilPhans]

I always make sure I have at least 20 empty bags slots on me at all times. That way when I need a port I can just put every item on me into my bags and claim I'm on a corpse run.


ya ya you play evil on the boards.. but you have been seen rezzing people and buffing people for no reason at all :P

[Arkyani]

The way I see it is mana is free, they are paying for your time. The longer something takes, the more plat you should give them.

That being said, donations are just that. Donations. In no way are they required. Anyone who says donation yet requires money is a liar and should be boycotted.

I spend hours in oasis buffing everybody and have never once even asked for a donation. Its called courtesy. It seems too many people lack it these days.

What goes around comes around, and those who are too ignorant to take ten minutes out of their day to help someone I can only pray that they never get the help they need. I have made hundreds of friends already on the server because I'm not a plat whoring, selfish a-hole. If I'm not leveling or working on a quest, I'm always helping somebody somewhere. I'd say over half of the plat I make goes towards gear for lower level people in need.

Again, its called courtesy. We've all been in a tough spot before. When everybody can take ten minutes out of their day to help someone else it makes the whole place better.

Thankfully most of the server I have met are wonderful people, and completely unlike the cleric who refuses to rez people because its a waste of their time. People remember those who help them, and even more so those are are ignorant.

[Dumesh Uhl'Belk]

I don't have a porter on this server but if I did...

I would charge 1p per level of the person being ported, CR ports free... all assuming I was not busy in a group or on a raid.

I generally give 30 plat for a ride, though I will go as high as hundred if I am having trouble finding someone willing and I really need to get somewhere fast.

[eqdruid76]

The way I see it is mana is free, they are paying for your time. The longer something takes, the more plat you should give them.

That being said, donations are just that. Donations. In no way are they required. Anyone who says donation yet requires money is a liar and should be boycotted.

I spend hours in oasis buffing everybody and have never once even asked for a donation. Its called courtesy. It seems too many people lack it these days.

What goes around comes around, and those who are too ignorant to take ten minutes out of their day to help someone I can only pray that they never get the help they need. I have made hundreds of friends already on the server because I'm not a plat whoring, selfish a-hole. If I'm not leveling or working on a quest, I'm always helping somebody somewhere. I'd say over half of the plat I make goes towards gear for lower level people in need.

Again, its called courtesy. We've all been in a tough spot before. When everybody can take ten minutes out of their day to help someone else it makes the whole place better.

Thankfully most of the server I have met are wonderful people, and completely unlike the cleric who refuses to rez people because its a waste of their time. People remember those who help them, and even more so those are are ignorant.

Courtesy works both ways.

Non-porters tend to forget that.

[jilena]

The way I see it is mana is free, they are paying for your time. The longer something takes, the more plat you should give them.

That being said, donations are just that. Donations. In no way are they required. Anyone who says donation yet requires money is a liar and should be boycotted.

I spend hours in oasis buffing everybody and have never once even asked for a donation. Its called courtesy. It seems too many people lack it these days.

What goes around comes around, and those who are too ignorant to take ten minutes out of their day to help someone I can only pray that they never get the help they need. I have made hundreds of friends already on the server because I'm not a plat whoring, selfish a-hole. If I'm not leveling or working on a quest, I'm always helping somebody somewhere. I'd say over half of the plat I make goes towards gear for lower level people in need.

Again, its called courtesy. We've all been in a tough spot before. When everybody can take ten minutes out of their day to help someone else it makes the whole place better.

Thankfully most of the server I have met are wonderful people, and completely unlike the cleric who refuses to rez people because its a waste of their time. People remember those who help them, and even more so those are are ignorant.

Just curious, are you a level 50 cleric that's never anon? If not then please don't act high and mighty. If I took "just 10 minutes out of my day" to help everyone who asked I would never get a single thing done in this game. Ever. You are correct they are paying for my time. And my time is not for sale every second I am logged into the game. *shrug*

If you ask why I am not anon, the answer is simple. Every time I want to farm something, and I type /who all zone, and then run there thinking there are lots of free camps just waiting to be plundered, only to find the whole zone filled with anons, I wanna stab someone in the dick. So I do everyone the courtesy of not being one of those people.

I'm so nice.

*edit I meant "why I am not anon"

[eqdruid76]

Just curious, are you a level 50 cleric that's never anon? If not then please don't act high and mighty. If I took "just 10 minutes out of my day" to help everyone who asked I would never get a single thing done in this game. Ever. You are correct they are paying for my time. And my time is not for sale every second I am logged into the game. *shrug*

If you ask why I am anon, the answer is simple. Every time I want to farm something, and I type /who all zone, and then run there thinking there are lots of free camps just waiting to be plundered, only to find the whole zone filled with anons, I wanna stab someone in the dick. So I do everyone the courtesy of not being one of those people.

I'm so nice.

This.

[psicore]

I usually try to giver what i have on me ... I know Fine Steel sells for at least 5 or 6 Pp. I try to give 3 pieces of FS when I need a port unless im on a CR. But if I see an orc with a two hander as I am running on my CR... he gets the HT. hahaha.

[Tallenn]

Just curious, are you a level 50 cleric that's never anon? If not then please don't act high and mighty. If I took "just 10 minutes out of my day" to help everyone who asked I would never get a single thing done in this game. Ever. You are correct they are paying for my time. And my time is not for sale every second I am logged into the game. *shrug*

If you ask why I am anon, the answer is simple. Every time I want to farm something, and I type /who all zone, and then run there thinking there are lots of free camps just waiting to be plundered, only to find the whole zone filled with anons, I wanna stab someone in the dick. So I do everyone the courtesy of not being one of those people.

I'm so nice.

I think this is something a lot of people tend to overlook. Sometimes (often, actually) it's not a matter of how much money you're willing to give me (or whoever) to help you out with a port, rez, or whatever. For example, when I'm experiencing, I'm unlikely to respond even to a promise of a couple hundred plat for a port. Others might feel differently, but I get comfortable in what I'm doing, and I just don't want to leave until I'm ready to leave.

I don't speak for every porter, but for me, porting for donations is something I do to help people out, and if I'm lucky, make a little side cash. I've never made all that much from it, because I can never stand doing it for very long- it's boring. Therefore, most of the time, my time simply isn't for sale.

[jilena]

There is also the fact that I probably hate you.

[Shawk]

Druids, deserve donations.. Clerics, don't..

I have had countless times where I had two corpses to get rezzed and because I only pay 100p, they refuse to rez the 2nd corpse unless i pay another 100p.

[Malrubius]

I always donate my character's level in plat for a port.

Level 5 donates 5 plat. Level 50 donates 50 plat. Seems reasonable to me.

Not sure I've ever been ASKED to pay on this server - it's a donation - I do it because I want to. :D

[astarothel]

Druids, deserve donations.. Clerics, don't..

So a porter who doesnt have to leave the rings deserves it but the cleric that needs to obtain a port, travel to the zone, and cast 700 mana each 90% rez doesn't.

Excuse me sir but you logic is analogous to failure on this level

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/129117202720882852.jpg

[AR3151]

Druids, deserve donations.. Clerics, don't..

I have had countless times where I had two corpses to get rezzed and because I only pay 100p, they refuse to rez the 2nd corpse unless i pay another 100p.

clerics dont? lol man they do more than anyone, they dont have sow, so for them to travel and rez you with experience coming back, they should get some donations. IMO

[eqdruid76]

Seriously... have we matured a bit since live past asking people to *pay* for their port?

Honestly, if you're *expecting* a payment from someone, in any form, and will not procure your services without what you call a donation, what's the point?

I watched a conversation unfold today where a cleric was paid 200pp for a rez, and denied a player IN HIS OWN GUILD who was next to their corpse because he did not have 50pp to donate for the rez. A little argument ensued, needless to say, he didn't get the rez.

Seems to me that if you claim you're accepting donations, extra credit should possibly carry over to those who are less fortunate.



Anyway, genuinely interested in everyone's mentality on the matter, as I'm not afraid to simply tell a person, "Hey, if you can afford it, I want some money for my time." I could be out grinding instead.

I'd also like to take this time to write that I'm not cheap, I may not have a ton of cash yet, but I also haven't requested any ports / rez / etc.. just see the "Donations" thing a lot, and the above situation really kind of bothered me. I'm not insinuating that the community is all like that in any way.

You've never played a druid or a wizard, have you?

Porting players is not as fun as you probably think it is. 90% of the time it's not just a port, it's also a sow and invis, or any number of other buffs. That mana adds up. As does the amount of sitting to regenerate that mana.

When a porter goes into taxi service mode, they're trying to make money, for any number of reasons. They're not going to make money if they're spending all their time and mana porting newbies from Butcher to Commons (especially when there's a perfectly good translocator less than 3 minutes from the druid rings) at no charge, or people on "a long CR" who could have easily swung by the bank and picked up a donation before they started sending tells to every non /anon druid/wizard on the server.

I see your point of view. "It's just a button click". You need to consider beyond that. Most druids and wizards don't play the game to port you. It's a tool in their arsenal of utilities, and it comes in handy. But it's for their benefit, first and foremost, not yours.

There is no rule in the EULA or the game manual that says you have to donate for others to get you where you want to go faster. But, on the other hand, nowhere does it say anyone has to port you, either. There will always be players who will never charge for ports, who will gleefully and willingly drop whatever they're doing to come play the game for you. But you should be advised that the other 99% of the players aren't like that, and that doesn't make this other 99% bad people, simply because they expect to be compensated for their time.

Enough of the players on P99 are smart enough to know that the best way to get a port from a total stranger is to offer a donation. Look at it this way; How would you like it if someone, a complete and total stranger whom you've never spoken to before, sent you a tell asking you to leave your SolB group to come to Gfay and teleport them to Butcherblock? Sounds absurd, doesn't it? Happens every day. Now, how would you like it if, after explaining to said complete and total stranger (who is level 20, we'll say, and is perfectly capable of running to Butcherblock themselves) that you're in an xp group, and are unable to acquiesse to their request, they proceed to whine and beg for 10 minutes? (come on d00d itll only take a minute, its real important) Or, even worse, nerdrage? (port me dr00d its ur job!!111, ill tell ur guild ldr KYEW KYEW!!!!). Now, imagine this happens about fifteen times a night, until you finally /anon and /afk and start ignoring all the tells.

It's not just the mana, or the time, or the fact that it's a service provided. It's simply a mission statement. Just follow these tips:

1). If a porter advertises "Porting for donations"....don't send a tell saying "how much"? If you do, you're officially a moron.

2). If you start going down the list of non-anonymous porters, refrain from starting your tells with "Hey bro, can you..." Unless you're sending a tell to your brother, that person is not your "bro", and calling them "bro" isn't going to change their mind if they're not porting. Other examples to avoid are "Hello friend...", "Sup homeslice", or the ever popular "greetings, kind soul"...

3). If you really need a port, it helps if the words "will pay" or "donating for" or "paying x pp" appear in your post. After all, the entire point is for you to get somewhere in a hurry, isn't it?

4). If you're a newbie and legitimately can't afford to donate for a port, then perhaps you should stay in your area and make some money. I can't count the number of courtesy ports I've done over the years where 3 minutes later the newbie sends a tell "I died, can u port me again?". Additionally, if you claim to be broke, and show up wearing full bronze and a lammy, then either hand over the lammy, or take the boat...

5). If you offer to pay, and then once you're at your destination you type "thx dewd ur cool" and run off, chances are you just got put on /ignore.

6). If you're one of those players that strips your gear and fakes a corpse run to avoid paying for your port, at least have the courtesy to get out of visual range before you don your gear. Otherwise, you're definitely /ignored, and you might as well expect to see your name in Rants and Flames.


Again, no one is making you donate for ports. Conversely, no one is preventing you from making the trip on your own, either.

[Kinamur1999]

Druids, deserve donations.. Clerics, don't..

I have had countless times where I had two corpses to get rezzed and because I only pay 100p, they refuse to rez the 2nd corpse unless i pay another 100p.

This is why I port melee to tox until they pay me enough to port them out. Just a small guarantee that I get my fair share.

[Vonblund]

Druids, deserve donations.. Clerics, don't..

I have had countless times where I had two corpses to get rezzed and because I only pay 100p, they refuse to rez the 2nd corpse unless i pay another 100p.

Its not a class problem, its a person problem,

[jilena]

There are quite a few people on here who love to hang out and help people and that is awesome for them. Ninik, Wiggles, Rosalyn, etc all do donation free resing and ports on a pretty regular basis because that is what they like to do. I applaud them for this. I think they are all ridiculously nice people and if you ever manage to get them into a group I think you should ninja /split them some coin.

That said, I don't log on to do these things. If I am on one of my characters there is about a 95% chance I have something I intend to accomplish. Be it selling items in EC, farming something, helping a friend level, whatever. If I am already doing something, the chances I am going to stop what I am doing and go rez you are slim to none. It's not just "a little mana" and it doesn't cost me "nothing". It is a shitload of mana, it sets me behind in whatever it is that I am doing, and it costs me time. My time is valuable to me and I would prefer to use it doing what *I* want to do, and that doesn't usually include making your life easier because you are bad at Everquest.

Also, please keep in mind, you lose exp when you die as motivation to suck less. If I return all of that exp to you, you don't have as much motivation. Think of me not helping in the short term as me helping you out long term!

[Shannacore]

Be it selling items in EC, farming something, helping a friend level, whatever.

Where were the levels at last night :(

[Ihealyou]

Donations for rezzes are nice, but if I'm giving you a rez I don't demand them, or even expect to be offered any. If I'm rezzing you, it means that I'm not busy and don't mind going out of my way to rez. If you bring the corpse to me pretty much the only time I won't rez is if I'm in a group and we're fighting, and even then I'll probably eventually do it once its safe to. If I say no to a rez, it means that I'm busy. You would have to offer a pretty large amount of plat to get me to leave what I'm doing and rez you.

I don't expect to be compensated for rezzes since I rez people when its not a hassle for me to. My gear is crap and I could certainly use the money, but I think its kind of ridiculous to expect people to pay when I'm just sitting around doing nothing. I'm not wasting time, since I'm not doing anything. I'm not wasting mana, since I'm not casting anything. I would rather help people out then have a million plat to buy GEBS and a manastone. I'll even turn down donations if its an obvious noob or a death from someone training Slate or something dumb like that.

That being said, if you offered me GEBS and a manastone I'd gladly take them :)

[xorbier]

Donations are whatever the person feels is fair and can afford. Remember, you are using the porters time and to not tip is simply being cheap.

[jilena]

Where were the levels at last night :(

Probably in the same place your invis kept going all the times you died. Well that and where your corpse went when you full looted it lolololol.

[Engraverwilliam]

On my Live druid, I used to say "Porting to all druid locations for donation - Corpse runs and newbies free - charter flights available 10p per jump. (quests runs)"

I usually got at least - 5-10p donated for routine ports from X to X as donations. Multi-questers would use my charter flights to get them around faster and I would travel with them or wait at the rings for their next jump. Sometimes fitting in a quick port while I waited for them to run their errand. i would promptly return to take them to the next location.

I met a lot of very generous and nice folks this way. I was on A LOT of friends' lists.

Sometimes I would be handed 20 gold. i hit accept without complaint. Sometimes folks would ask "How much" after a port. I had a hot key to say /say Pay whatever the flight was worth to you :-)"

[Messianic]

On my Live druid, I used to say "Porting to all druid locations for donation - Corpse runs and newbies free - charter flights available 10p per jump. (quests runs)"

I usually got at least - 5-10p donated for routine ports from X to X as donations. Multi-questers would use my charter flights to get them around faster and I would travel with them or wait at the rings for their next jump. Sometimes fitting in a quick port while I waited for them to run their errand. i would promptly return to take them to the next location.

I met a lot of very generous and nice folks this way. I was on A LOT of friends' lists.

Sometimes I would be handed 20 gold. i hit accept without complaint. Sometimes folks would ask "How much" after a port. I had a hot key to say /say Pay whatever the flight was worth to you :-)"

FORUM NECRO EXTRAORDINAIRE NECROS AGAIN

[Engraverwilliam]

On my Live Cleric ( my p99 cleric is only lvl 11) I would gladly port to any location and rez you. But this service came with a price. If i were in the same dungeon as you, bring me the corpse and I would rez it for free once i had the mana to spare once my group was safe. (Group first always). Guild members were free. If I was in a dungeon group exp'ing on a role or helping someone I would /anon. If I would be traveling someplace and saw a fully geared corpse, I would send a /tell to see if they were on-line and offer up a rez if I got a response.

[Engraverwilliam]

FORUM NECRO EXTRAORDINAIRE NECROS AGAIN


DAMMIT!!!! LOL oops! not on purpose I SWEAR!!!
at least I'm on topic though!

[Torqumada286]

/ooc melee character: "Will beat the carp out of stuff trying to kill you for donations."

Torqumada

[Scrooge]

Donating is a common courtesy, and is never a requirement. When payment is demanded outright, that is not donating, that's barter.

[Ralexia]

Donating is a common courtesy, and is never a requirement. When payment is demanded outright, that is not donating, that's barter.

Barter would be me giving you a pair of split paw gloves for a port. Paying for a port is called paying for a port.

[Silvermink]

Donations are whatever the person feels is fair and can afford. Remember, you are using the porters time and to not tip is simply being cheap.

Many newbies donate more than they can afford. I accept donations for clarity but I don't ask or expect them. One time I refunded tips I received because the person over the course of a few hours donated all of their available funds. Porting is a little more time involved so tips should reflect that. Asking someone to find a port and travel several zones to rez you to save you an hour or 2 of grinding back exp should cost you dearly. Don't think I have yet found someone willing to travel to rez. This isn't unexpected as I value the time I take making money near as much as grinding exp so I'm not rich enough, or high enough level to offer thousands of plat for rezzes.

[Messianic]

Barter would be me giving you a pair of split paw gloves for a port. Paying for a port is called paying for a port.

Paying for a port is bartering with an accepted currency, but it's still bartering.

Semantics ftw.

[Mad Jacq]

I see the word "donations" as the porter not wanting to cap their upside.

I agree with many that folks who say, "porting for donations" are really looking for the server average tip for the port (or more). If you give less or none they may or may not bitch about it out loud, but they won't like it.

If you are expecting X for the port you need to ask for X. If you don't ask for X and get less by using the word "donations" to try and accentuate your upside from those who tip more than you have no one to blame but yourself.

[Reppy]

I port al the time on my wizard and i use donation's and that is what it is doesn't matter how much it is whatever you wish to give even if it is free that is ok aas well. There on are people that will abuse the free ports i am sure but after so many i think you should always donate something if reguardless.

I have had people ask me hey how much for the port and it is just a donation and it is just that so if you see me now you know what you can do.

Reppy

[Humerox]

Paying for a port is bartering with an accepted currency, but it's still bartering.

Semantics ftw.

No. Currency is a medium of exchange. Just sayin~ :P

[Ralexia]

Paying for a port is bartering with an accepted currency, but it's still bartering.

Semantics ftw.

Barter: To trade goods or services without the exchange of money (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/barter).

Semantics fail.

[Duie]

I just wanna know one thing... when us tanks are on a raid, can we start taunting for donations? Just sayin :) a brottha has gotta make a livin too:rolleyes:

[Messianic]

Barter: To trade goods or services without the exchange of money (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/barter).

Semantics fail.

2. (Business / Commerce) (intr) to haggle over the terms of such an exchange; bargain



Freedictionary fail.

Barter's primary meaning in a modern context is "to trade without money," but all organic money (gold, silver, etc) was originally a barter (until some government provides legal tender laws), and the secondary meaning doesn't necessarily require the user to exclude money from the equation.

You may return to your regularly scheduled trolling.

[Torqumada286]

I just wanna know one thing... when us tanks are on a raid, can we start taunting for donations? Just sayin :) a brottha has gotta make a livin too:rolleyes:

Exactly. See my post above.

Torqumada

[Humerox]

2. (Business / Commerce) (intr) to haggle over the terms of such an exchange; bargain



Freedictionary fail.

Barter's primary meaning in a modern context is "to trade without money," but all organic money (gold, silver, etc) was originally a barter (until some government provides legal tender laws), and the secondary meaning doesn't necessarily require the user to exclude money from the equation.

You may return to your regularly scheduled trolling.

Gets tricky tho, bro.

Gold, silver and paper currency are the medium of exchange for the barter. You don't normally trade for gold or any other medium, because it only enables you to complete the barter for other goods and/or services. Yes, you can barter for a medium of exchange itself, but it will not lose its inherent value when exchanged for other goods and services.

An easy way to look at it is:

Johnny wants to trade his shoes to Jimmy for Jimmy's watch. Jimmy says "Bugger off...the watch is worth 10X what the shoes are."

Johnny says "OK...I have these gold coins that other people will exchange stuff for." (Johnny got the coins from his dad's dresser drawer). Jimmy says "Sure!" and goes and exchanges the gold coins for a Mercedes Benz and a BJ.

Moral of the story is, Johnny prolly plays P99 all day instead of going to school, Jimmy is from SZ, and when there's a medium of exchange, some people get screwed.

[Cruise]

Johnny prolly plays P99 all day instead of going to school

Therefore Johnny is a winner.