Mass Shooting in Aurora, CO

[Vanech]

http://www.9news.com/news/article/278707/71/1-in-custody-14-dead-in-Aurora-theater-shooting

/mourn

[Rogean]

Were they watching batman?

[Rogean]

Yep.

A gunman opened fire early today at a screening of the new Batman movie in an Aurora, Colorado, theater, police say, fatally injuring 14 people. At least 50 are injured. A suspect is in custody.

[lilyanna]

Very sad :(

[LordFresh]

Colorado is a conceal carry state. Hard to believe nobody had a gun to stop this guy. People are fucking crazy.

[Massive Marc]

Yah, fucking horrible. You know it's getting bad when you can't even go see a movie without randomly being shot up.

Edit:

"A four-month-old baby was among 22 people treated for gunshot wounds at the University of Colorado hospital"

Fucking people.. just.. I don't even know..sad day....

[Hitchens]

Yah, fucking horrible. You know it's getting bad when you can't even go see a movie without randomly being shot up.

What is the ratio of non-randomly shot up movies vs randomly shot up movies?

While tragic, it is not statistically significant.

[Massive Marc]

What is the ratio of non-randomly shot up movies vs randomly shot up movies?

While tragic, it is not statistically significant.

I'd say usually one is gang/mob related and there is more "purpose" if you will. Where as some guy randomly shooting people in the theater seems "less purposeful" and just plain fucking evil. (if that makes sense)

I wasn't trying to state statical facts.

[Hitchens]

I was just trying to point out that your danger of being randomly shot up while seeing a movie is no higher than before this incident. People tend to be a bit irrational over tragic media stories.

[FoxxHound]

Happened at the movie theater just a mile or two from me :/
Good thing I was working last night or I might have been there. I want to see TDK

[Raavak]

I am actually somewhat fearful of a copycat coming into my Batphone movie.

[MrSparkle001]

You know, I've been angry, I've been depressed, I've felt despair, but I've never wanted to go out and injure people. What the hell possesses these people to do these things? This dude's aparment has buckets of ammo and sophisticated booby traps that may keep nearby people evacuated for days while they try to disarm them.

[Massive Marc]

I was just trying to point out that your danger of being randomly shot up while seeing a movie is no higher than before this incident. People tend to be a bit irrational over tragic media stories.

Agreed.

Don't get me wrong it doesn't affect my decision to go see a movie, just like 9/11 didn't affect my decision to fly.

Random murder spree's are just gut dropping..

[Hitchens]

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[Lucky]

The gunman looks like a prozac'd out assburger.

Colorado is a conceal carry state. Hard to believe nobody had a gun to stop this guy. People are fucking crazy.

My thoughts exactly. Sad part is they use crap like this to enact more gun control when a bystander could have just killed his ass as soon as he pulled it out, you know before he killed 12 people and injured another 50 (source: Fox News confirmed legit)

[Barkingturtle]

Sad part is they use crap like this to enact more gun control when a bystander could have just killed his ass as soon as he pulled it out, you know before he killed 12 people and injured another 50 (source: Fox News confirmed legit)

Or an armed bystander could have accidentally shot some other, innocent bystander in the dark, crowded theater as it filled with tear gas. The assumption that an impromptu gunfight would have caused fewer casualties is naive at best. The idea that we'd all be safer if more people brought their guns to the movies is ludicrous. I mean, assured mutual destruction has no place in movie theater security.

Not advocating more gun control, just sayin': fire isn't always what you fight fire with. Sometimes you use water, or dirt or various foams and stuff.

[Lucky]

I like those odds a lot better than sitting there like a defenseless slave waiting in line to be killed anyways

[Barkingturtle]

I like those odds a lot better than sitting there like a defenseless slave waiting in line to be killed anyways

Is that really how you feel in social situations? Like someone might leap out and shoot you at any moment? That must be a pretty tortured existence, feeling so insecure all the time. I hope you get better, friend.

[Lucky]

No, but this tragedy happened right? It could happen anytime, anywhere... so scout's motto. This is why we need more guns on the street. There's places in the south where people just don't rob the local liquor store cuz they're packin heat and so is every bystander. And if guns kill people, then pencils make spelling mistakes.

[Slathar]

I'm afraid of copycats, too. I don't even get why someone would do something like this to complete strangers? Why? What does it do?

[Phats]

This is why your average citizen should be able to carry a gun.

If some psychopath wants to kill a mass group of people, they will get what they need to do the job anyways.

1 well aimed shot to that guy could have stopped the whole thing.

Very Tragic.

[Barkingturtle]

No, but this tragedy happened right? It could happen anytime, anywhere... so scout's motto. This is why we need more guns on the street. There's places in the south where people just don't rob the local liquor store cuz they're packin heat and so is every bystander. And if guns kill people, then pencils make spelling mistakes.

I can't speak to these magical southern villages where evidently arms escalation has managed to eliminate robbery(because I suspect they don't exist except in little boys' fantasies), but I did grow up in Colorado.

We have a lot of guns. People walk around wearing holsters. Aurora is Denver, for all intents and purposes. It's not some quaint, rural glen; people are everywhere--and they're armed. Somehow, all these guns did nothing to dissuade this dude from his killing spree.

It's because an armed opponent doesn't deter a spree killer. It's not like they intend to escape and blend back into society after shooting up their job, school, bar, etc. A killing spree is pretty much a finale. At least if you do it in public and don't suck at it, I guess.

[Slathar]

This is why your average citizen should be able to carry a gun.

If some psychopath wants to kill a mass group of people, they will get what they need to do the job anyways.

1 well aimed shot to that guy could have stopped the whole thing.

Very Tragic.

This is such a typical argument. What if guns were harder to obtain in the first place? Maybe this never would have happened to begin with. It goes both ways.

[Lucky]

If guns were harder to obtain there would be mass global enslavement of the entire human race on an electronic control grid plantation already. But for reals, banning things doesn't work; alcohol, drugs, immigration, hookers, guns, etc

I ask this, if you were in that movie theatre, would you rather have a gun yourself, or just sit there waiting for your turn to die? Simple choice for me.

[Slathar]

You make a good argument but I think banning hand guns and assault rifles would result in less violent crimes and murders each year.

[Lucky]

Per my understanding, he had tear gas and whatnot which I believe is already banned chemical weaponry for civilians and in war (though great for law enforcement to use against occupy)... could be wrong though. If so then yea, bad guys are just going to get bad things either way.

[Autotune]

This is such a typical argument. What if guns were harder to obtain in the first place? Maybe this never would have happened to begin with. It goes both ways.

It does not go both ways. Making something harder to obtain for common civilians does not stop criminals from obtaining the item or stop future criminals from obtaining them. It only deters normal civilians from going and obtaining them.

As mentioned above, look at drugs. If you want any drug, you can find them with in a few hours max.

Make it required that every mentally capable person carries a gun and see how many of these things pop up where 50+ people are shot. I think you'll find the golden rule practiced much more often.

Also in the south, establishments that are known to keep firearms on hand are rarely robbed where as establishments that are known to not carry are usually robbed frequently.

Risk vs Reward.

[Turp]

Lol all the ninny people screaming take guns, this is about A crazy man. + What a big coincidence this happened to take place 2 weeks before Obama signs a UN gun treaty, he didnt have enough senate/house behind him to pass it though, but after this shit who knows, Guns dont kill people, thats like saying ban all cars because they kill people or make them "harder to get", wake the fuck up an look at the propaganda being spewed on this, Check out drugs like Devils Breath etc, i believe there is more to this than meets the eye ... Banning guns does not result in less crime! but rather the opposite, look at statistics for example , a lot of countries around the world have banned guns, and than good lawful people turn in their firearms, you know who doesnt? the criminals, an crime rate spikes insanely because they know you dont have a gun to protect yourself. I agree with Autotune. Prayers for the familys involved but guns are not at fault. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5igq0sCABM&feature=g-all-lik

[Vanech]

Honestly... this post shouldn't be degraded into a petty argument about gun control, regardless of the side. People died and your politics don't matter. stop disrespecting the casualties with your propaganda, please.

My condolences to the families and friends who have lost someone in this pointless bullshit. My best wishes to those recovering.

[Turp]

Honestly... this post shouldn't be degraded into a petty argument about gun control, regardless of the side. People died and your politics don't matter. stop disrespecting the casualties with your propaganda, please.

? if you have a brain its not degrading anything but rather enlightening the thread. Since when is it causing a loss of self respect or humiliating to talk about gun control / politics? Especially since the Mainstream media has talked about it all morning regarding this case, and hardly mentioning the victims or the family's but just the Mugshot of the guy over and over an talking about how we need Gun control, i hope you are posting this all over CNN/FOX/ABC/MSNBC etc because they are a lot worse than whats said here my friend.

[Tasslehofp99]

Love all these rednecks saying "OH I COULDA GOT A HEADSHOT FROM 50 YARDS BRO THIS IS SO WEIRD HOW DID NO ONE HAVE THEIR PEICE ON THEM YO" like seriously if there was correct gun control in this country, fucking retards like this shouldnt have guns in the first place. Oh and he was wearing kevlar armor from head to toe so your little peice of shit handgun isnt gonna do much while he sprays assault rifle rounds into your chest. fucking idiots

[Autotune]

Love all these rednecks saying "OH I COULDA GOT A HEADSHOT FROM 50 YARDS BRO THIS IS SO WEIRD HOW DID NO ONE HAVE THEIR PEICE ON THEM YO" like seriously if there was correct gun control in this country, fucking retards like this shouldnt have guns in the first place. Oh and he was wearing kevlar armor from head to toe so your little peice of shit handgun isnt gonna do much while he sprays assault rifle rounds into your chest. fucking idiots

The only idiot here is you. Kevlar doesn't make you immune to pain, doesn't dissipate the force of a bullet completely, nor does it negate every caliber of handgun. Also, you can hit anyone with any caliber in any part of the body and they will feel it. Get the right size caliber and you'll knock them down or even kill them regardless if the bullet goes through the vest or not.

Congrats on being completely fucking stupid.

[Znif]

Its definitively possible that stricter gun laws could have prevented this guy from getting guns. From the little i know about this incident it looks as if the guy wasn't some career criminal with lots of connections to black market shit. He got a hold of some nerve gas but he didn't have rpgs or anything

Though as previous posters pointed out already even though these incidents are an absolute tragedy this stuff hardly ever happens and the likely hood of this happening to you is slim to non.

If you make something illegal you create a black market for it which inherently comes with crime/violence(see war on drugs)... i think its pretty easy to make an argument that while maybe being able to prevent more tragedy's like this, a lot more violence would occur every year if you made a majority of guns illegal because of the black market. I guess it depends on how strict of gun control you implement.

There might real world examples of why stricter gun control is good but i would argue that preventing stuff like this isn't a good enough reason. for the record i don't own a gun or have a fascination with them.

[Amesplayerofgames]

You hicks don't get it. That is what you get for living in a state where you can readily buy automatic and high-powered weapons.

You don't see this type of thing happening in the most populous city in the United States, Do you? Thanks Mayor Bloomberg.

[Znif]

i blame batman and Marilyn Manson

[Lucky]

You hicks don't get it. That is what you get for living in a state where you can readily buy automatic and high-powered weapons.

You don't see this type of thing happening in the most populous city in the United States, Do you? Thanks Mayor Bloomberg.

New York murder rate is above the national average.

[quido]

I just read that the gunman plays on Project1999, the internet's most popular emulated Everquest server.

[Amesplayerofgames]

New York murder rate is above the national average.

We are the safest big city in the U.S.A considering population.

"Among the 182 U.S. cities with populations of more than 100,000, New York City ranked 136th in overall crime."

"While crime rates have stopped decreasing for a decade in the rest of the United States, in New York the murder rate for 2011 is at an all time low of 466, more than a 10% decline from the previous year, and the lowest count during the period that crime statistics have been recorded.

[Amesplayerofgames]

The homicide count for Los Angeles is 300 people in a population of 3.7 million. They have 7.6 murders per 100,000 people while New York City has more then double the amount of people living in a much more confined area with only 6.4 murders per 100,000 people.



Gun control works.

[Znif]

You hicks don't get it. That is what you get for living in a state where you can readily buy automatic and high-powered weapons.

You don't see this type of thing happening in the most populous city in the United States, Do you? Thanks Mayor Bloomberg.

I think its pretty unlikely for this type of incident to happen anywhere....you think just cause gun control laws are tighter makes this type of thing impossible in new york? pretty sure hijacking a plane is illegal there too

[Amesplayerofgames]

I think its pretty unlikely for this type of incident to happen anywhere....you think just cause gun control laws are tighter makes this type of thing impossible in new york? pretty sure hijacking a plane is illegal there too

1. None of the planes used in the September 11th terrorist attacks were hijacked from JFK , Laguardia, Or Newark airports you dipshit.

2. I never said it was IMPOSSIBLE for it to happen but it makes it extremely difficult for it to happen here with the laws we have in place. When Mayor Bloomberg enacted his new gun control laws our murder and violent crime rate SHARPLY decreased. The amount of gun crimes SHARPLY decreased and this little bit of magic happened - "Starting in 2005, New York City achieved the lowest crime rate among the ten largest cities in the United States"

3. I hope you get shot.

[Amesplayerofgames]

If any joe shmoe can walk into a wallmart and buy a high-powered or automatic weapon then the chances of something like this happening increases ten fold. Most people don't have access to a weapons black market so If they do not have access to these weapons in a store and cant purchase them from a gun show then they CANT SHOOT ANYONE.

Can you list a mass murder like this that happened in a place with highly strict gun laws? I don't think you can because shit like this does not happen in NYC, Or London or The Netherlands. It happens in places like Texas, Arizona, Upstate New York and Colorado. And oh - Wouldn't ya know, All those places I just listed are all places that you can purchase a high-powered rifle or handgun IN FUCKING WALLMART.

[Znif]

1. i assure you it was illegal at the airport that they were hijacked from

2. since the title of this thread was mass shooting in aurora, CO i just assumed we were talking about incidents of this nature as in crazy dude with no friends gets guns and kills a bunch of people at once for no reason and my point was that these type of tragedies are super unlikely to happen and are dumb to use to prove or disprove the need for stricter gun control.

3. :(

[Amesplayerofgames]

all you dudes crying to have more gun laws, i hope a burglar comes into your home tonight and licks your buthole

Hi pal thanks for buffing my bard Work on eqmac at the DB the other night. Let me hold like 20k bro.

[Znif]

Can you list a mass murder like this that happened in a place with highly strict gun laws? I don't think you can because shit like this does not happen in NYC, Or London or The Netherlands. It happens in places like Texas, Arizona, Upstate New York and Colorado. And oh - Wouldn't ya know, All those places I just listed are all places that you can purchase a high-powered rifle or handgun IN FUCKING WALLMART.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?pagewanted=all

[tops419]

Hey retards, if someone is committed to committing mass murder, the only way to stop them is to catch them in the process of planning it. Gun control would have done nothing to thwart this guy. Gun control probably does make crimes of passion (no prior planning) possible, but as the saying goes "if there's a will, there's a way."

[tops419]

also, as far as new york city is concerned. It's so small with so many officers, the presence of the police is felt alot more than other places (i.e. If you are walking and yell POLICE!, it's highly likely you will be heard by law enforcement) In Colorado (i live in Fort Collins ) or Los angeles, those odds are much, much slimmer. Maybe not the exact reason, but probably a contributing factor to why it's been so successful preventing murders/mass murders/crime in general.

[Amesplayerofgames]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?pagewanted=all

You should do some research before you post. You can purchase a gun anywhere in the country of Norway if you meet some very basic requirements. "Norway has a large population of hunters.[3] Semi-automatic and bolt action rifles, as well as shotguns, make up the better part of the guns in civilian homes."


"Also, there is a restriction on the number of weapons an owner can have for each calibre. For recreational shooters, only one gun is allowed in each caliber. For professional and semi-professional shooters, a spare gun is allowed. A recreational shooter is only allowed to own four different handguns"

Btw to become a "recreational" shooter all you need to do is complete a 30 hour class to receive your permit to purchase guns.

Yee fucking Haw

[Amesplayerofgames]

also, as far as new york city is concerned. It's so small with so many officers, the presence of the police is felt alot more than other places (i.e. If you are walking and yell POLICE!, it's highly likely you will be heard by law enforcement) In Colorado (i live in Fort Collins ) or Los angeles, those odds are much, much slimmer. Maybe not the exact reason, but probably a contributing factor to why it's been so successful preventing mass murders.

You are so dumb, you are really dumb.. fo real.


Seriously though you have no idea what you are talking about. New York City has 5 boroughs with 8 million people spread throughout them. In most neighborhoods you wont see a police car for a few days on end. They are all concentrated in the rough neighborhoods here because of the large presence required there. NYC is experiencing a severe shortage of police recruits at the moment - Along with the rest of the country. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96570&page=1#.UAtDYqCHGeo The wait time for a 911 call can be upwards up 40-50 minutes on some days because of how thinly stretched they are nowadays.

[tops419]

Btw to become a "recreational" shooter all you need to do is complete a 30 hour class to receive your permit to purchase guns.

Yee fucking Haw


All you need to do is complete a 30 HOUR class?
]30 hours is significant. Very significant. That's seems like a very appropriate amount of time. way more than whats required in many states for a CCP ( concealed carry permit).

Bitch about something that doesn't make sense, not a safeguard like that.

[georgie]

some people are just fucked in the cabeza. i wish i had the list of the all the sick fucks that plan to do this in the future i willingly take the consequences later. kill 1 save a million

[Amesplayerofgames]

Gun control works.

[tops419]

You are so dumb, you are really dumb.. fo real.


Seriously though you have no idea what you are talking about. New York City has 5 boroughs with 8 million people spread throughout them. In most neighborhoods you wont see a police car for a few days on end. They are all concentrated in the rough neighborhoods here because of the large presence required there. NYC is experiencing a severe shortage of police recruits at the moment - Along with the rest of the country. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96570&page=1#.UAtDYqCHGeo The wait time for a 911 call can be upwards up 40-50 minutes on some days because of how thinly stretched they are nowadays.

Hey fucktard.
NYPD has 35,000 uniformed officers
LA has 10,000 uniformed officers
NY is 468 Sq miles
LA is 507 Sq miles

NY has countless agencies that maintain a presence their because of diplomats, the UN, etc
Los Angeles, not quite so much

[Amesplayerofgames]

Hey fucktard.
NYPD has 35,000 uniformed officers
LA has 10,000 uniformed officers
NY is 468 Sq miles
LA is 507 Sq miles

NY has countless agencies that maintain a presence their because of diplomats, the UN, etc
Los Angeles, not quite so much

You seem angry pal - But what point are you trying to get across with those randomly placed facts? I made a statement about how wrong you were about the size and presence of the police force in NYC. So what does the size of L.A's police force have to do with what i said ? Derp.

You also forgot to mention NYC has more then double the population then L.A does and has a LOWER murder per capita (6.4 per 100,000)


Gun control works.

[Tulvinous]

Too soon?

http://i48.tinypic.com/xcw2u9.jpg

[Amesplayerofgames]

Too soon?

http://i48.tinypic.com/xcw2u9.jpg

HAHAHAHAHA

[Tulvinous]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=689877&postcount=43

2bad it's a nice little red x dont be mad

[Amesplayerofgames]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=689877&postcount=43

2bad it's a nice little red x dont be mad

Yea it does not show up as anything big dawg relapse.

[Lucky]

Gun control will never occur in the United States with 230 million Americans armed to the teeth (90 guns for every 100 people[1] (http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/08/28/us-world-firearms-idUSL2834893820070828)). By the way, you can purchase shotguns and rifles in NYC, and even conceal carry handguns (if you're an investment banker...). "High-powered and automatic" weapons is subjective, as a shotgun has more "mass mowing" power than anything, and 99% of civilian assault rifles are semi-automatic because obtaining a class 3 automatic license through the ATF is basically impossible.

Heart disease: 599,413
Cancer: 567,628
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021
Alzheimer's disease: 79,003
Diabetes: 68,705
Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909
Fire Arm related Murder 8,775 (aprox 2000 of those are gang related)
[2] (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm/) [3] (http://policeforum.org/library/crime/PERFPresentationonGunViolence.pdf)

Throughout history only slaves have been disarmed. I like those odds to protect my life, property, and liberty.

[Asher]

Colorado is a conceal carry state. Hard to believe nobody had a gun to stop this guy. People are fucking crazy.

The answer is always more, possibly untrained, turds with guns. Cuz I am sure he would have been able to take the guy down with no problem in a full theatre of people panicing.

and wth was a 4 month old and/or parents with a 4 month old doing at the midnight showing of Batman.

Asher

[Asher]

Throughout history only slaves have been disarmed. Gun control will never occur in the United States with 230 million Americans armed to the teeth (90 guns for every 100 people). By the way, you can purchase shotguns and rifles in NYC, and even conceal carry handguns (if you're an investment banker...). "High-powered and automatic" weapons is subjective, as a shotgun has more "mass mowing" power than anything, and 99% of civilian assault rifles are semi-automatic because obtaining a class 3 automatic license through the ATF is basically impossible.

Heart disease: 599,413
Cancer: 567,628
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021
Alzheimer's disease: 79,003
Diabetes: 68,705
Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909
Fire Arm related Murder 8,775 (aprox 2000 of those are gang related)

I like those odds to protect my life, property, and liberty.

America will enjoy its guns and other western nations will enjoy their very low rate of gun crime.

To each his own.

Asher

[formallydickman]

wth was a 4 month old and/or parents with a 4 month old doing at the midnight showing of Batman.

[Lucky]

America will enjoy its guns and other western nations will enjoy their very low rate of gun crime.

To each his own.

Asher

Mexico has the strictest gun control laws in the world, and is above America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


"...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

"The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave." (James Burgh, Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, Defects, and Abuses [London, 1774-1775])

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." (Unknown, attributed to Thomas Jefferson)

[Barnes]

Another step toward the police state, Thanks Nutter!

[Barnes]

Always a nutter that ruins our civil liberty's! all the same to the government though!Did it ever get through there brain to think maybe there is someting seriously wrong with our way of life?? maybe white man destroying tanned man had bad karma? lol

[somnia]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0wmr8M2EW1qz8x31o1_500.jpg

I just need to check inside your asshole.



...

no srsly guys it's sad. thoughts and prayers go out to those who were affected by this tragic event.

[Trayeldor]

I live 3 miles or so from that theater... i was gonna go with my cousins, but they didnt have money and i only had enough for me... horrible, horrible thing.

[Lucky]

http://nwosurvivalguide.com/CourtesyImages/ProblemReactionSolution_550x539.jpg

[Znif]

You should do some research before you post. You can purchase a gun anywhere in the country of Norway if you meet some very basic requirements. "Norway has a large population of hunters.[3] Semi-automatic and bolt action rifles, as well as shotguns, make up the better part of the guns in civilian homes."


"Also, there is a restriction on the number of weapons an owner can have for each calibre. For recreational shooters, only one gun is allowed in each caliber. For professional and semi-professional shooters, a spare gun is allowed. A recreational shooter is only allowed to own four different handguns"

Btw to become a "recreational" shooter all you need to do is complete a 30 hour class to receive your permit to purchase guns.

Yee fucking Haw


your right i didn't do any research on that one I just remember it was one of the media talking points about the incident. (I could have heard it from fox news?)

The thing is though its a near statistical impossibility that your going to be involved in one of these types of shootings so if your 10 times more likely to see it in a lax gun control area its still pretty similar chance as a strict gun control area. Not that we shouldn't be working to reduce this type of thing

To the people that are saying your going to become a slave if we had stricter gun laws.. there's plenty of countries around the world that have strict gun control and it doesn't seem that their citizens freedom is threatened by the government. There are other ways to defend your home/person then guns.

Also note that it doesn't look like Norway is out of control with gun violence tragedy aside...could this be some type of evidence that gun laws are not a huge factor in the rate of gun violence? I will say i definitively like the idea of forcing people that want the responsibility of having a firearm to take a long and serious course on how to use the thing.(maybe even one every year)

[Lucky]

America is the last bastion of freedom in the world. Britain already lost their Magna Carta. The entire continents of South America and Africa are shitholes. The rest of the planet from India to Mexico to Korea to China are 3rd world slaves too.

[Barkingturtle]

There's something insidiously stupid about a kid who spends fifteen hours a day shackled to his computer offering any commentary regarding slavery.

[Znif]

America is the last bastion of freedom in the world. Britain already lost their Magna Carta. The entire continents of South America and Africa are shitholes. The rest of the planet from India to Mexico to Korea to China are 3rd world slaves too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__uutzcQXc :D

[Amesplayerofgames]

for new page you fucking sheep.

Gun control is a necessary evil bro. How many retards with shotguns that you know upstate that you wish they could not own that weapon at all? It puts guns into the hands of some pretty irresponsible and or dumb people. You are a fucking sheep if you think that the right to bear arms has the same meaning in 2012 then it did back when it was written. You NEEDED to have a gun back then to hunt your own food, defend your home and live stock from wild animals, fend off fucking Indian raiding partys etc etc. Why would you need a rifle if you live in NYC or L.A in 2012? To be able to jump ahead in line at starbucks? Or to shoot somebody in the face? I think the latter is more likely.

[Barkingturtle]

I have my own personal views on gun control, but this story is totally not the correct venue through which to voice them.

That's a cop-out. First off, no one really cares what you think, so it's not as if your opinion somehow necessitates a special venue to be expressed. Furthermore, when do you feel is an appropriate time if not after an event which brings the debate to the forefront of the public consciousness?

And seriously, the media didn't have to use this event. The shooting itself spurs debate on gun control, because it violates common sense that this kid should have been capable of amassing such an arsenal without at least raising some red flags.

At least it violates the common sense of anyone who isn't a sheep in the NRA's flock. You know, the NRA? The most powerful lobby in Washington? The PR wing of an industry analogous to tobacco in that their product causes death when used as recommended. Just sayin', they don't care about you or your freedom any more than they can profit from your fear.

[Lucky]

There's something insidiously stupid about a kid who spends fifteen hours a day shackled to his computer offering any commentary regarding slavery.

If even tru, the difference between me and a Korean/Chinese is I can make that choice and not be forced to work harder for a bowl of rice a day.

Gun control is a necessary evil bro. How many retards with shotguns that you know upstate that you wish they could not own that weapon at all? It puts guns into the hands of some pretty irresponsible and or dumb people. You are a fucking sheep if you think that the right to bear arms has the same meaning in 2012 then it did back when it was written. You NEEDED to have a gun back then to hunt your own food, defend your home and live stock from wild animals, fend off fucking Indian raiding partys etc etc. Why would you need a rifle if you live in NYC or L.A in 2012? To be able to jump ahead in line at starbucks? Or to shoot somebody in the face? I think the latter is more likely.

Nothing beats Smith & Wesson Home Security. You seem to for extreme Marxist playbook gun banishment, where nobody has force but the state, a tyranny. The first thing any murderous dictator has done, from Hitler to Stalin to Mussolini to Mao to Pol Pot, is enact strict gun control. What kicked the war off that led to 1776 and mom and pop and apple pie and everything great about this country is when the British came to take the guns and the ammo. Even Gandhi was pro-gun. The only thing gun control does is take power from the people and redirect it to the state and criminal enterprises (see: Mexico's ongoing civil war).

[Amesplayerofgames]

All those drugs have really caught up to you.

[koros]

Lucky you paranoid fuck. No one is coming to take your "property, life, or liberty". No one cares about your meager shit.

Stop sounding like chicken little.

[Lucky]

It's a dangerous world, I think it would be insane not to be armed. As empire America collapses, crime rates are through the roof with life and property at greater threat every day. Slavery is extremely common throught human history, seen in some fashion in nearly every society, even today, and Mao was correct when he said "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun". There's the famous proverb about when trade liberty for security, you are really getting tyranny. Don't know why people are so willing to sign up to be slaves, but history does repeat when the lessons aren't taken into consideration.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control and from 1929 to 1953,
about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control and from 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of
13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were
rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935 and from 1948 to 1952, 20 million political
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964 and from 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970 and from 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956 and from 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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[Vanech]

? if you have a brain its not degrading anything but rather enlightening the thread. Since when is it causing a loss of self respect or humiliating to talk about gun control / politics? Especially since the Mainstream media has talked about it all morning regarding this case, and hardly mentioning the victims or the family's but just the Mugshot of the guy over and over an talking about how we need Gun control, i hope you are posting this all over CNN/FOX/ABC/MSNBC etc because they are a lot worse than whats said here my friend.

well, see.. there's the problem, sex and violence sells in mass media, and what better thing to try to justify your cause than the largest mass shooting in U.S. history? If it had been orchestrated by a lady in a cat woman outfit the whole thing would be a thousand times more blown out of proportion than it already is. I admit that I may have flown off the handle with my response, but the whole ordeal saddens me to a degree that I can't functionally explain without sounding like more of a lunatic than I'm already perceived.

Gun control just leaves people defenseless, since the 'criminal element' is still going to have access to guns. No gun control means that anyone can just snap and start shooting since they already have the tools available to do so. Sure, people could fight back.. but come on.. if the whole 9/11 thing went down the way it's been explained then a handful of people took control of multiple planes with box cutters. you're talking an inch and a half long razor blade. one hundred + people vs. a handful of assholes with what basically equates to one of those piddly Swiss army knife key-chains.

Masses are paralyzed by the threat to their livelihood, they won't react because there is the chance that their life may end, regardless of what they may be able to prevent. It's like people refuse to do what they can to save their fellows because their own life is more important than everybody else.

Yea, this whole fiasco has left me more enlightened than I was before, but this 'new knowledge' doesn't make me feel more intelligent, only more worried about the 'state of human affairs'... it's hard to explain.

[sabinrf24]

I live an hour away from Aurora - it's a pretty rough area. Lots of gang violence, but this is out of the ordinary. It's common for people to get guns pulled on them, even in movie theaters, but this isn't some mugging or gang-related shooting.

I went and saw the movie on Sunday, and it was pretty obvious the police in Colorado are behaving differently due to the shooting. An officer patrolled the theater at the 9:50am showing multiple times before the movie started, checked the door to make sure it was closed, looked for suspicious items near the screen and all along the front of the theater on the ground.

I can't understand how the victims and their families feel - I hope they get whatever will help them through this tragedy, whether that be justice, closure, or compassion. I also hope our state and country have the fortitude to stand our ground and not use this as an excuse to enact laws - at some point, you can't station a U.S. marshal in every location a terrorist has attacked without becoming a police state.

[Caridry]

http://culturekill.com/public/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/laws.jpg

if there was gun control, and the loss of a right to conceal carry, events like this would never be able to take place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBjzdvSloG8

instead the world would be more like this poor woman... wondering what could have happened?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis&feature=youtu.be

[lawll]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/datablog/2012/apr/12/london-knife-crime

Ban guys and people start to get stabbed. So pick your posion guys.

[Caridry]

Caridry, way to completely fail at knowing how the world works, and trying to prove your point with a stupid internet meme to boot.

I am intrigued, how does this world work? You seem to have it down pat on an internet forum sir =)

[Caridry]

Caridry, way to completely fail at knowing how the world works, and trying to prove your point with a stupid internet meme to boot.

So yes, it was a meme, but is it not true? the man had tear gas, and bomb material... all of which is unobtainable to the average person. a federal offense to even possess, and there are no licenses to even allow the average civilian to possess such items... so, if there was a ban on guns, you honestly think he would not of been able to acquire them if he wanted to? the man was on a mission... look at people in mexico, the strictest gun laws in the world... they have a much higher gun related crime (and murder) rate than we do.

as for the man defending himself? im sure if you were a person being defended by that man, you would talk shit about him.

as far as the woman that lost her parents due to a gun ban, god forbid if something were to happen to your family, but if it ever did, i am sure your view would change as well.

edit: also look at sweden, 97% of residents have a gun, no special permits/permissions, they just let you, and they have some of the lowest gun crimes in the world.

So explain again my loss of how the world works? :rolleyes:

[Amesplayerofgames]

Lucky you paranoid fuck. No one is coming to take your "property, life, or liberty". No one cares about your meager shit.

Stop sounding like chicken little.

Naez is just too far gone. Crystal methamphetamine systematically destroys the human brain as displayed in his paranoid and schizophrenic behavior.


Dude must be high as fuck brew.

[Lucky]

Ad hominem attacks are displeasing to this debate, I feel your ultra-liberal Marxist arguments have lost.

[Hailto]

http://i.imgur.com/NJUp4.jpg

[Lucky]

http://i.imgur.com/NJUp4.jpg

HEY FUCK OFF BRO I LOVE BEING A SLAVE BECAUSE THROUGHOUT HISTORY ONLY SLAVES HAVE BEEN DISARMED

[Groo]

What kind of person does something like this? It's not completely random. People who commit these crimes tend to be extreme social outcasts, sociopaths, psychopaths...

It's not like they're perfectly normal for their whole life, or even temporarily, and then all of a sudden they snapped and planned out a mass murder. Some would have us believe there's no explanation for any of this. But I don't believe this for a second. Most of these guys have multiple warning signs...red flags that no one in their life recognized or felt the need to investigate.

We need to change our values as a society. We should know the people in our lives, and actually care about them as human beings instead of treating them as just another number. We can and should make more efforts to identify people who are approaching or are currently in crisis situations and support them instead of leaving them to their own devices. But instead, we are too self-centered.

I am NOT expressing sympathy for the killer. Rather, I am offering a suggestion for how any/everyone of us can take action right now...to do something to help prevent this from happening to people we know and love. Praying is not going to solve anything. New laws will not solve the core problem. We have to take time to get to know the people around us and find out if they have issues and problems that they can't handle by themselves.

In other words, most of us will naturally take action if we know someone who is a danger to themselves or to others. But how can we take action if we don't know? And how are we going to know if we don't care? We won't. We'll find out after it's too late.

[Caridry]

What kind of person does something like this? It's not completely random. People who commit these crimes tend to be extreme social outcasts, sociopaths, psychopaths...

It's not like they're perfectly normal for their whole life, or even temporarily, and then all of a sudden they snapped and planned out a mass murder. Some would have us believe there's no explanation for any of this. But I don't believe this for a second. Most of these guys have multiple warning signs...red flags that no one in their life recognized or felt the need to investigate.

We need to change our values as a society. We should know the people in our lives, and actually care about them as human beings instead of treating them as just another number. We can and should make more efforts to identify people who are approaching or are currently in crisis situations and support them instead of leaving them to their own devices. But instead, we are too self-centered.

I am NOT expressing sympathy for the killer. Rather, I am offering a suggestion for how any/everyone of us can take action right now...to do something to help prevent this from happening to people we know and love. Praying is not going to solve anything. New laws will not solve the core problem. We have to take time to get to know the people around us and find out if they have issues and problems that they can't handle by themselves.

In other words, most of us will naturally take action if we know someone who is a danger to themselves or to others. But how can we take action if we don't know? And how are we going to know if we don't care? We won't. We'll find out after it's too late.


I saw his old high school class mate that the extent of his interview was "Every time he was made fun of, he just sat there and smiled, he really never said anything."

really? the extent of his high school interviewees was how he was made fun of? most of been a cool life.

Just one question though (seriously). How can an unemployed college student living in the ghetto afford $24,000 in POLICE issued riot gear (no records of purchase.. yet), plus the $10k+ in bomb making material, $800 in the cocktail of prescription drugs he took, and buy all of this without a single red flag going off? but yet we cant say bomb on our cell phones without being surrounded by the FBI.

[Massive Marc]

The homicide count for Los Angeles is 300 people in a population of 3.7 million. They have 7.6 murders per 100,000 people while New York City has more then double the amount of people living in a much more confined area with only 6.4 murders per 100,000 people.



Gun control works.

Birth Control works.

but I believe Gun Control does work and more so in these kind of situations.

Furthermore, All guns in the suspect possession were legally obtained, locally, with only a criminal background check. This guy was a PhD student, I highly doubt he had the criminal connections to get the kind of weapons he was using if they weren't readily available at your local gun store.

Gun Control may not be the end all answer, but it definitely prevents non-criminally aligned nut bags easy access to guns.

[LordFresh]

the media loves to spin things. This guy was wearing a gas mask (not bulletproof) and a tactical vest (not bulletproof). He certainly looked the part but this was not a police issued vest or mask.

http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=279073

http://tacticalgear.com/news/colorado-shooting/

[Amesplayerofgames]

Ad hominem attacks are displeasing to this debate, I feel your ultra-liberal Marxist arguments have lost.

http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/files/images/meth5.jpg

[Smedy]

edit: also look at sweden, 97% of residents have a gun, no special permits/permissions, they just let you, and they have some of the lowest gun crimes in the world.

say what?

no one in sweden owns a gun, i'd say nearly 95% of the population has never even touched a gun besides their non-mandatory military training (yes its free to skip).

to argue if allowing every dickhead in the country to have their own assault rifle affects the outcome of crimes like this is retarded, ofcourse it does.

we would have way higher murder rate if guns were easy to come by, but in sweden its very hard to get a gun license.

however i can tell you, i wouldn't want to live without a gun in usa, knowing how corrupt your goverment is it feels like a free for all when that shit eventually falls apart.

[Caridry]

say what?

no one in sweden owns a gun, i'd say nearly 95% of the population has never even touched a gun besides their non-mandatory military training (yes its free to skip).

to argue if allowing every dickhead in the country to have their own assault rifle affects the outcome of crimes like this is retarded, ofcourse it does.

we would have way higher murder rate if guns were easy to come by, but in sweden its very hard to get a gun license.

however i can tell you, i wouldn't want to live without a gun in usa, knowing how corrupt your goverment is it feels like a free for all when that shit eventually falls apart.

I apologize, you are absolutely correct. I meant the Swiss. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nf1OgV449g

[lawll]

Even if guns were impossible to obtain, a determined criminal will resort to the next option. Homemade explosives, biological and chemical weapons, they're all options to kill others. The problem isn't guns, it's society as a whole.

[Silentone]

1 person =/= society

[Snagglepuss]

Isolated incidents shouldn't determine policy, but often they do.

It's always going to be a double standard. When guns save lives (such as a home burglery or 7-11 robbery), no one pushes for more guns; however, when a murder happens, people feel the need to ban them. Popular delusions will always take precedence.

[Amesplayerofgames]

Even if guns were impossible to obtain, a determined criminal will resort to the next option. Homemade explosives, biological and chemical weapons, they're all options to kill others. The problem isn't guns, it's society as a whole.

Your right bro I cant get a gun so let me whip up a fucking dirty bomb in my basement. God you are dumb.

[Hailto]

Your right bro I cant get a gun so let me whip up a fucking dirty bomb in my basement. God you are dumb.

Its not impossible to make an improvised explosive out of fairly common materials. Unless you propose we make fertilizer illegal as well. Im sure you're familiar with Timothy McVeigh?

[lawll]

Your right bro I cant get a gun so let me whip up a fucking dirty bomb in my basement. God you are dumb.

Lol my point is if you really are twisted and want to kill someone. Banning guns isn't going to stop you from doing it. It may stop a small number of killings but not someone like this.

[Hasbinlulz]

http://i.imgur.com/zlLGe.png

[Amesplayerofgames]

Its not impossible to make an improvised explosive out of fairly common materials. Unless you propose we make fertilizer illegal as well. Im sure you're familiar with Timothy McVeigh?

I was commenting on him mentioning CHEMICAL and BIOLOGICAL weapons not a bomb in general you derp. We should make your mothers womb illegal so the world does not have to deal with another one of you.

[Hasbinlulz]

Your right bro I cant get a gun so let me whip up a fucking dirty bomb in my basement. God you are dumb.
Not as hard as one might initially think.

As it turns out, rocket science isn't exactly "rocket science."

[Hasbinlulz]

..and by rocket science, I mean pretty much all chemistry/biochemistry/biotechnology available before 1980 or so, which includes a WHOLE LOT on the list of what would constitute "dirty."

[tops419]

The second amendment should be thought of as a duty.
If you care about yourself, your family, or your neighbors go buy a firearm, learn to use it, and store it someplace secure and accessible.
The fact is, the 2nd amendment isn't going anywhere. Gun control may get tighter, but guns will always be available to some extent. You might as well quit whining about it and just do what you have to.
I think the reason why people want gun control so badly is so many people are afraid of guns.

Once you become familiar with firearms, the fear goes away and you realize that the only thing dangerous about a firearm is the person holding it.

last point: semiautomatic firearms are the ONLY practical weapons for protection. (maybe not the only practical, but surely the MOST practical).
Try loading a single shot rifle when you're under pressure or hitting a target with a single round consistently. Even for the trained professionals of law enforcement, a 6-shooter proved to be too few chances.

[lawll]

We should make your mothers womb illegal so the world does not have to deal with another one of you.

Funny how you want people to take you serious but then you say something like this lol.

[LordFresh]

Saw this on another forum - figured i would share.

It is illegal to use a conceal carry in the town.

This ordinance banning the carrying of "dangerous weapons" was deemed "unenforceable" when Colorado state prohibited cities and counties from enforcing such laws in 2003. After talking to officials the Aurora Police Department, we found that counties can now issue concealed-and-carry permits, BUT in Aurora, it is still against the law to fire the weapon unless at a shooting range (or if you are an officer on duty).

Therefore, it would have been illegal for anyone to fire in the theater.

[tops419]

Saw this on another forum - figured i would share.

It is illegal to use a conceal carry in the town.

This ordinance banning the carrying of "dangerous weapons" was deemed "unenforceable" when Colorado state prohibited cities and counties from enforcing such laws in 2003. After talking to officials the Aurora Police Department, we found that counties can now issue concealed-and-carry permits, BUT in Aurora, it is still against the law to fire the weapon unless at a shooting range (or if you are an officer on duty).

Therefore, it would have been illegal for anyone to fire in the theater.

This is probably the dumbest thing I have ever read another person write. It is illegal in virtually ALL cities to fire a gun. That just means if you start shooting in the air on 4th of July or start target practicing with anything other than a pellet rifle in your back yard you'll get a TICKET (generally) and a warning not to do it again.
Use your brain, if you have a gun and are threatened, use it for fuck's sake.
I can't believe your thought process. Jesus christ

[LordFresh]

This is probably the dumbest thing I have ever read another person write. It is illegal in virtually ALL cities to fire a gun. That just means if you start shooting in the air on 4th of July or start target practicing with anything other than a pellet rifle in your back yard you'll get a TICKET (generally) and a warning not to do it again.
Use your brain, if you have a gun and are threatened, use it for fuck's sake.
I can't believe your thought process. Jesus christ

You must not get out much if that is the "dumbest" thing you have ever read another person write.

It isnt illegal in most towns to fire a gun in your back yard. In my city for instance you can fire the gun but the bullet cannot leave your yard. Also you have to abide by the noise ordinance.

Obviously i dont post this because it would hold someone back from defending themselves but this town was different than almost all the other col. towns.

They allowed the CCW but then made the law state that you cannot use it even in self defence. Obviously exceptions can be made but I point it out because I copy and pasted it on a firearm forum i frequent. I found it interesting that the lawmakers chose to work the law like they did and though possibly others might to.


BTW

Use your brain, if you have a gun and are threatened, use it for fuck's sake.
I can't believe your thought process. Jesus christ


You are a moron. Ask Zimmerman how this theory worked out for him. It isnt as easy as - threatened ? Fucking shoot!
Zimmerman was having his head slammed onto concrete while it was raining out in the darkness. I imagine he felt a similiar fear when he fired his gun. Now he is up for murder.

[tops419]

You said that if someone had fired a weapon in that theater when the massacre was going on, they'd be in trouble... that is just about the dumbest thing I have read.
I didn't say it was illegal in most towns, I said CITIES. Where do you live where you can target practice in your backyard, within a city legally?
Cities have banned most firing outside of ranges.
There's alot of TOWNS outside of CITY limits where you can shoot anywhere you want. In a CITY (such as Denver, Aurora, Fort collins, Colorado Springs, Grand Junction, Etc) it is illegal to discharge a firearm.

I'm a pro-zimmerman guy, but we and everyone else knows he would not be up for murder had he not called 911 beforehand and been given instructions to not follow him and had he not unquestionably PUT himself in a position to cross paths with the kid.
If you are out minding your own business and you are threatened by another with deadly force: Yes, you can use your firearm.
Zimmerman is an entirely different situation.
Again, you're a fucking moron, nothing you have said thus far makes sense, Go drown yourself.

[LordFresh]

You said that if someone had fired a weapon in that theater when the massacre was going on, they'd be in trouble... that is just about the dumbest thing I have read.
I didn't say it was illegal in most towns, I said CITIES. Where do you live where you can target practice in your backyard, within a city legally?
Cities have banned most firing outside of ranges.
There's alot of TOWNS outside of CITY limits where you can shoot anywhere you want. In a CITY (such as Denver, Aurora, Fort collins, Colorado Springs, Grand Junction, Etc) it is illegal to discharge a firearm.

I'm a pro-zimmerman guy, but we and everyone else knows he would not be up for murder had he not called 911 beforehand and been given instructions to not follow him and had he not unquestionably PUT himself in a position to cross paths with the kid.
If you are out minding your own business and you are threatened by another with deadly force: Yes, you can use your firearm.
Zimmerman is an entirely different situation.
Again, you're a fucking moron, nothing you have said thus far makes sense, Go drown yourself.

OK thanks for telling me to kill myself lol.. This isnt R&F brew.

I didnt say they would be in trouble lol... I said the way the law is written it is against the law... I was pointing out how anti gun people (law makers) ended up wording the law in that town. If someone followed the law in place and fired - yes they technically are breaking the law. THATS WHY I POINTED IT OUT.
Im pro gun and fairly certain i own more firearms then you do...

I live in a town and I fire off my gun from time to time to test out sights or a new trigger etc. I actually read the law and know what is legal and what isnt rather than just assume you cannot fire your gun.

Really the only thing you can get in trouble for (legally) is the noise..

Zimmerman isnt in jail for calling 911 or putting himself into a possition. He is in jail because the word "threat" is open to interpretation. They dont think he was being threatened- or that he is justified in using lethal force.

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant

If he was threatened he could shoot and be immune from prosecution..... not so fast though.... because the way the law is worded they can play games to see if you were really "threatened to use lethal force".

There are always ways around laws and I am just pointing out simply how laws are written and how retarded some are.

[Amesplayerofgames]

Funny how you want people to take you serious but then you say something like this lol.

lol'd

[Massive Marc]

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but even though in the state it's legal to carry and conceal weapons, it's illegal in the theater to have any weapons. Which is why no one shot buddy :/

[Groo]

Following up on my last post...

Holmes was being seen by a psychiatrist at the university:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h_lDyz8m3VLePnk8xpv07zKCaFxg?docId=883953506 ff04481b079fa76082223ee

What kind of treatment was she giving to him? Did she prescribe meds? If so, then what? And what effect did they have on him?

She has some pretty questionable info relating to her career, as well. A treatise on acupuncture to increase bust size? Getting caught abusing her access to psych meds for friends and family? Is she a "quack" doctor? Did she have a responsibility to help a patient in crisis but failed? This could be huge. Also, he apparently mailed her a notebook with very detailed information on his intentions to kill people, but it sat in a campus mailroom unopened for a week!

I say again, the whole gun control debate and violent media debate are quite superficial compared to these questions.

Also, check out this article on the history of rampage killers:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/07/23/assigning_blame_for_aurora_114873.html

History shows they tend to fit a certain social "type," often with similar problems or triggers, like job loss, extreme social isolation and/or dysfunction, post-traumatic stress and public humiliation. They tend to leave all sorts of warning signs and clues indicating their potential to snap. We can do something to prevent these incidents, but we have to look it from a different angle than the usual "need more/less guns" debates.