Question about racial hide/sneak

[Lagaidh]

I've had a few non-rogue toons over the years in live with racial hide and sneak, halflings mainly.

Can someone explain how it works? I understand hide fully, and I understand using sneak to buy from otherwise angry merchants.

Is it possible, for say, a halfling druid to move while hidden while successfully sneaking? If so, then I haven't been doing something right for ages.

With a rogue, I could hide successfully, then get sneak to be successful and I could move along really slowly but invisible.

Does being able to remain invisible under the effects of hide and sneak work for non rogues?

[falkun]

No. Only rogues can hide+sneak. And only rogues get messages that their hide/sneak succeeded/failed.

[Lagaidh]

No. Only rogues can hide+sneak. And only rogues get messages that their hide/sneak succeeded/failed.

Ah okay. I was always waiting for the heard-of-elephants failure message. Hey thanks for setting this straight.

I'm an east coast guy and this reminds me of daylight saving's time... I didn't get that right in my head until I was 29 years old. Sure I could solve a differential equation in my head at one point, but couldn't read an analog clock at a glance or get DST right!

I'd lived in AZ for a while as a kid and learned that for part of the year, time was two hours apart compared to my grandparents on the east coast, and for the other part of the year it was three hours apart. I just learned this is how DST worked.

When my wife began business travel I'd ask if we would be two or three hours apart on her west coast trips. She set me straight on DST, hehe.

I'd tried hide + sneak on a rogue first... that colored my impression forever after. Why it took me this long to just ask... heh.

[Lagaidh]

By the way Falkun, I love your dragoon sprite. FFT is my favorite console game of all time. EQ is my favorite game of all time =)

FFT and EQ were numbers 42 and 43 (43 and 44?) in Game Informer's list of the 200 greatest games of all time (article's a few years old at this point). I always liked that my 2 favorite games were right beside each other.

[Heavydrop]

Still pays to consider mobs when hide/sneaking as a rogue... Found out the hard
way years ago the Ghoul Lord in Lguk sees through stealth

[Telron]

On the realm of Hide, I for some reason didnt know hide broke Charm... Was trying to hide to avoid extra aggro and BAM haha. The rest of the night my Camo was de-memmed and charm kiting was a lot easier : )

Hide+Sneak still makes me wana be a rog though haha

[Quizy]

I love using Hide on my cleric... so happy my CLR is a de..

One trick you can always do to make sure your hide worked is to try and target your self after you hide.. click escape to clear all targets.. then hide.. then /target your self.

If you are able to target your self you know it failed.. if you cant /target your self you know it worked and are succesfully hidden.. as long as you dont move a step.=p

[JayDee]

You can bug hide with invis and walk around unseen like sneak/hide, unless they fixed that

[Kender]

No. Only rogues can hide+sneak. And only rogues get messages that their hide/sneak succeeded/failed.

non rogues can sneak and hide if they have both skills. they just can't move and remain hidden

[Lagaidh]

Still pays to consider mobs when hide/sneaking as a rogue... Found out the hard
way years ago the Ghoul Lord in Lguk sees through stealth

Hell I've always done that because I never trusted invis. Pop a potion, con that bastich! Can he see me? Hehe. Paranoid about my corporeal dwarven self.

[falkun]

Rogues can stay hidden while moving (sneaking) and be completely invis. Non-rogues who are hidden+sneak will drop hide when they begin moving and will only remain invisible to NPCs that they are behind.

In the strictest sense, yes Kender, non-rogues can hide and sneak. However, I meant that if non-rogues are moving (sneaking) then they will drop hide, while rogues can remain hidden while moving (sneaking).

[Lagaidh]

On the realm of Hide, I for some reason didnt know hide broke Charm... Was trying to hide to avoid extra aggro and BAM haha. The rest of the night my Camo was de-memmed and charm kiting was a lot easier : )

Hide+Sneak still makes me wana be a rog though haha


I wonder if you cast see invisible on your pet if hide would still break charm.

[Lagaidh]

I love using Hide on my cleric... so happy my CLR is a de..

One trick you can always do to make sure your hide worked is to try and target your self after you hide.. click escape to clear all targets.. then hide.. then /target your self.

If you are able to target your self you know it failed.. if you cant /target your self you know it worked and are succesfully hidden.. as long as you dont move a step.=p

I always just got a target of something I know wasn't indiff and keep hiding until they become indiff.

[Lagaidh]

Rogues can stay hidden while moving (sneaking) and be completely invis. Non-rogues who are hidden+sneak will drop hide when they begin moving and will only remain invisible to NPCs that they are behind.

In the strictest sense, yes Kender, non-rogues can hide and sneak. However, I meant that if non-rogues are moving (sneaking) then they will drop hide, while rogues can remain hidden while moving (sneaking).

And this is what I was on about with my original post: if there was a way for hide not to break on non-rogues. I've learned that there is not- outside of someone mentioning a glitch... but I ain't a goin' thar... I like the pixels I've accumulated and don't want a ban!

[Striiker]

I wonder if you cast see invisible on your pet if hide would still break charm.

No, this will not work as it's not how the underlying game mechanics work. How we perceive the game and how it works are two different things. It may be a flag which is set on your character which checks to see if you have a pet. If you have a pet, the flag causes it to either die (in a summoned pet) or for a charmed pet, remove the charm effect and act upon an agro list with you now being at the top, or create an agro list with you on it.