Necro VS Shamy for Velious

[Huddaan]

So I want to focus on one toon to get ready for Velious. I have an Iksar Necro and an Ogre Shaman. I want to group and also be able to do some solo/farming. Both classes can do well but I remember a lot of mobs summoning in Velious. Will that be a huge disadvantage for the necro?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

So I want to focus on one toon to get ready for Velious. I have an Iksar Necro and an Ogre Shaman. I want to group and also be able to do some solo/farming. Both classes can do well but I remember a lot of mobs summoning in Velious. Will that be a huge disadvantage for the necro?

Necros are damn near useless except for corpse summoning / pumping in velious. Resists make landing anything near impossible on raid targets and then there's debuff slots... Oh, and shamans become gods in velious o_o

[Jarnauga]

Necros are damn near useless except for corpse summoning / pumping in velious. Resists make landing anything near impossible on raid targets and then there's debuff slots... Oh, and shamans become gods in velious o_o

We became gods in kunark, just sayin

[Messianic]

Shaman are Gods in general, particularly for Velious.

Necros might have a LOT of fun things they can do as well, but Shaman are more powerful overall.

[CrowsNest]

Necro haters

[SwordNboard]

Necro haters

lawl.

[azeth]

Likely could run an entire raid with all shamans in Velious.


35 shams v. all

Any opportunity I've had to start a fresh main on an EQ server has been blown by not creating a shaman. I just can't stand being a buff whore..

Rogue
Rogue
Rogue
Rogue

Rogue at heart..

[Versus]

Sham > Necro.

Then again, get used to:

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[Galelor]

No other equally geared class is going to out solo a shaman on tough solo targets in Velious. The only real competitor is going to be an enchanter. Malo + Torpor + pet + some instant clickies /thread.

[CrowsNest]

Wouldn't necro solo better out doors with fear kiting or we just talkin high end mobs dungeons ext

[Ephirith]

Pretty sure necros are the more efficient soloist in terms of XP over time, while shamans have more brute force when it comes to soloing tough mobs.

[mindsculptor]

anything a necro can actually fear kite a shaman can just torpor tank. many things a shaman can torpor tank a necro cannot fear ktie

[LordFresh]

Sham can solo lodizal in velious

[quido]

Pretty sure necros are the more efficient soloist in terms of XP over time, while shamans have more brute force when it comes to soloing tough mobs.

Before torpor, it's debatable. After torpor, there's no question.

[visage]

Necro because casting buffs over and over is annoying as shit.

[Breeziyo]

Speaking of these two classes, are they an efficient duo setup? My friend and I are level 6 so far and it feels like it's taking ages to level.

[godbox]

Speaking of these two classes, are they an efficient duo setup? My friend and I are level 6 so far and it feels like it's taking ages to level.

best duo in game imo. have literally all the possible utility spells between them. heals dmg double invis stat buffs fd dps insane survivability mobility pets dots nukes meelee debuffs tankability mez charms mass roots.

[Splorf22]

Speaking of these two classes, are they an efficient duo setup? My friend and I are level 6 so far and it feels like it's taking ages to level.

its eq

[Viprous19]

I'd have to side in favor of the necro, reason being that sure in a perfect scenario where the sham gets one mob he can prob solo it better than a necro, however I don't know how shams can break a camp or solo pull from a room of mobs without feign death or circlet. Lastly no one likes to be the raids buffing whore.

[godbox]

can just cast topor pull all of em then aoe slow while u root shit down. also i like buffing =P

[Nordenwatch]

shamans are by far the best in soloing, especially after torpor. not having a MR debuff as a necro is sad as hell.

but I dont want to cast 15 buffs on people, so i'll stick with my necro. I'll give you DMF, thats about it.

[bhatz01]

Necros will still look better doing it :)

[Huddaan]

It feels like my shamy is way more powerful then my necro right now, but the necro just looks so much better then my shamy lol.

[pasi]

Shaman are probably the best traditional solo class in Velious.

If you don't mind dying a lot, an enchanter is still going to be able to do stuff that no one else can. Velious has a lot of different factions in the same zone if you know what I mean.

[bhatz01]

It's tough to play a class w/o FD once you've leveled a necro.

[afkbandito]

shamans are by far the best in soloing, especially after torpor. not having a MR debuff as a necro is sad as hell.

but I dont want to cast 15 buffs on people, so i'll stick with my necro. I'll give you DMF, thats about it.

I click that shit off all the time.
And yes, here goes the obligitory "play what is fun for you" post.

Play what's fun for you.

[SamwiseBanned]

It's tough to play a class w/o FD once you've leveled a necro.

i say the same for any class without ports

[bhatz01]

Everytime I watch a shaman cast canni I feel like it's tedious...

[Nordenwatch]

I click that shit off all the time.
And yes, here goes the obligitory "play what is fun for you" post.

Play what's fun for you.

dmf is the best buff in the game

[shadevice]

Don't listen to these people. Necros can do just fine.

[Valmari]

for killing necros can probably xp faster, but shams have the uber ability to kill anything

Since the OP is talking about summoning mobs, I would say stick with your sham, he'll be good in groups too

[afkbandito]

Yea..so what are we talkin about here. Killin fast or killin anything?

[Psionide]

This shouldn't even be a discussion. Shaman

[Danyelle]

This is literally the only thing you need to know to make your decision.

Description
1: Illusion: Bear
2: Increase Hitpoints by 2 per tick
3: Increase WIS by 10

1: Illusion: Bear
2: Increase Hitpoints by 2 per tick

1: Illusion: Bear

Bear

Fuck necros.

[Psionide]

ehhhh in that case I think being a skelly and having a spectre pet is cooler than looking like a bear and having a wolf pet but that's personal preference of course.

[BigSlip]

Psion, thats kunark brah.


How about being a spectre and having a spectre pet? $


Ancient : master of death (or something)

[Danyelle]

Psion, thats kunark brah.


How about being a spectre and having a spectre pet? $


Ancient : master of death (or something)

That's evil sinning horrible terrible god awful no one can like it unless they're retarded and have no taste heretics space cats Luclin. so we won't be seeing it here.

[Raavak]

It's tough to play a class w/o FD once you've leveled a necro.i say the same for any class without ports
I say that for a class without invis.

[BigSlip]

That's evil sinning horrible terrible god awful no one can like it unless they're retarded and have no taste heretics space cats Luclin. so we won't be seeing it here.




Ancient spells arent luclin.

[BigSlip]

Well, I guess they continued making ancients in luclin, but they were around in velious too.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=2114

[Atmas]

Well, I guess they continued making ancients in luclin, but they were around in velious too.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=2114

That post at the bottom was made like 9 months after SoL was released. I know that SoE went back and added some spells from some expansions to other mobs in different expansions of equivalent difficulty. IE:
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=8428

It may be possible some Ancients were added prior to SoL but I don't recall it being that way.

[BigSlip]

Are you sure ancient wasnt on vulak to begin with?

He wasnt exactly that easy to slay, if not the hardest encounter in velious? Ive never been on a raid that slayed him. Even luclin era my guild never even tried.

Im not sure if any of the other mobs in velious had that. Pretty sure it was only vulak that carried ancients.

[BigSlip]

That post at the bottom was made like 9 months after SoL was released. I know that SoE went back and added some spells from some expansions to other mobs in different expansions of equivalent difficulty. IE:
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=8428

It may be possible some Ancients were added prior to SoL but I don't recall it being that way.

ps you linked a sunstrike page, kinda confused me there.

[pasi]

Ancients were added to Vulak when they made Vulak a ring event, iirc.

[Atmas]

ps you linked a sunstrike page, kinda confused me there.

Sorry was just trying to illustrate that spells did get moved around sometimes later on.

[cliveceps]

Are you sure ancient wasnt on vulak to begin with?

He wasnt exactly that easy to slay, if not the hardest encounter in velious? Ive never been on a raid that slayed him. Even luclin era my guild never even tried.

Im not sure if any of the other mobs in velious had that. Pretty sure it was only vulak that carried ancients.

Vulak was not that hard really. You might be thinking of the SoL era Vulak they turned it into a ring event and his encounter was bugged (impossible) for a long time. The larger challenge in NTOV was Lord Vyemm if I remember correctly, then Vulak was free uber loot.

The hardest encounter in Velious was Avatar of War by far (not counting Sleeper who was never meant to be killed). After that it's up in the air, you got Tunare, Statue of RZ, Lord Yelinak, Lord Vyemm, etc.

[BigSlip]

Oh yeah youre right. I wasnt uber in those days, but i was a reader of the legacy of steel webpage. I do remember an update saying vulak was indeed a bitch, and i think the quote was "the real mac daddy of ntov is that cack sugger vymm" lol


That sucks. I allways thought vulak dropped the ancients.

[Danyelle]

Yes the 60 ancients are Luclin. They were all added later to Vulak etc due to mob difficulty. Which was a good idea imo.

Also the Luclin stuff was mocking sarcasm for those that didn't catch it :P

[Arteker]

1: ancients spells are velious related.
2: they where buged in the script supsoed to drop only from vulak but loot table was messed up and some times they droped like aryonar .
3: they were fairly very rare drops of vulak pre ring and would take the spot of a normal drop .
4: su`posed fixed when they replaced vulak with a ring than didint quite work for long time.
5: luclin comes out and it begin to drop again , u can notice ancients being inferior in many cases to the luclin new spells. ancients become very easy to get for high end targets who farmed seru vt.

http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5926

Take note about why vulak was removed, outside massive hit points he was by far one of the easiest dragons in whole tov . and every damm drop of him was worth.


another e xample is primal avatar spell droped in sleeper .



Aswell u gotta remember the uprorar around luclin age than lead to the mass introduction of new spells / and fopcus items due to casters claim about the `poor developemtn of the class.

Yes rigth those stupids spells become uber when someone got a focus item.

[Arteker]

another post about ancients droping now in VT
http://www.thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-3018.html

[koros]

Not how it worked. Vulak never dropped spells in velious. Partway through luclin he was made into a very difficult ring event, and the spells were added to him exclusively.

A few months later they were added to VP and seru.