Who smokes weed?

[Pyrocat]

Just curious to see how many play EQ while baked, seems to come up a lot in group chat.

[L2Phantom]

negative

[Pyrocat]

offtopic my ass

[Zithax]

VOTED YES

[Zexa]

Yeah sorry Pyro. You aren't getting my info to send to the DEA!

[ShadowWulf]

Hurf durf look people smoke weed, you must be cool lets tell everyone in the internet so they all know how coool we are!

Get over it already.

[Zordana]

seriously, if you just want to QQ shut the fuck up and go back to your R&F forum!


i should have this in my clipboard all day long to reply every friggn rant post!!

[Pyrocat]

Hurf durf look people smoke weed, you must be cool lets tell everyone in the internet so they all know how coool we are!

Get over it already.

whoa brah... chill out man.... u mad brah?

[Shannacore]

NEWP, SURE DONT

[President]

Weed can increase metabolism.

[DevonG]

Master of both 1 handed and 2 handed blunts.

[Desert]

am i the only smoker that raids drunk rather than stoned? need alcohol to numb the pain imo :eek:

[eqdruid76]

I'll never understand why drug users are proud of being drug users...

Not judging or anything. Just saying, you're not as cool as you think you are. /hug

[President]

I'll never understand why drug users are proud of being drug users...

Not judging or anything. Just saying, you're not as cool as you think you are. /hug

I never understand why people question someone who smokes weed and asks others if they smoke weed is proud about it in an insulting way. Nor do I understand how in one sentence someone can says they aren't judging, but in the next say they aren't as cool as they think they are.

What I do understand, even though I hardly partake, is a certain bond that smokers get between people they smoke/discuss smoke with. It's the same as your buddy who will take a tequila shot with you, or head outside and smoke a cigarette with you, or start up the grill and cook a few steaks with you, or head to the local bar/venue with you, or play videos games with you, or hit on a fat girl for you while you take the hot one, or go one a camping trip, hike, or a morning run.

They are all social activities that bring people together, though this certain activity will hurt your lung capacity while making you relaxed, it is hardly different than any other activity/drug/distraction.

The more I see you post eqdruid, the more I realize how worthless you are.

[Winston]

President for GM!

[eqdruid76]

I never understand why people question someone who smokes weed and asks others if they smoke weed is proud about it in an insulting way. Nor do I understand how in one sentence someone can says they aren't judging, but in the next say they aren't as cool as they think they are.

What I do understand, even though I hardly partake, is a certain bond that smokers get between people they smoke/discuss smoke with. It's the same as your buddy who will take a tequila shot with you, or head outside and smoke a cigarette with you, or start up the grill and cook a few steaks with you, or head to the local bar/venue with you, or play videos games with you, or hit on a fat girl for you while you take the hot one, or go one a camping trip, hike, or a morning run.

They are all social activities that bring people together, though this certain activity will hurt your lung capacity while making you relaxed, it is hardly different than any other activity/drug/distraction.

The more I see you post eqdruid, the more I realize how worthless you are.

Fortunately, I'm under no obligation to be liked, accepted, or approved by you. For which I am very thankful............

[allalong]

It's just a common interest thread, no need to criticize anyone here.

I don't smoke, and due to my career path I couldn't risk it even if I wanted to (which I don't,) but most of my friends do and I have no qualms with it.

[Ceridain]

;)

[eqdruid76]

It's just a common interest thread, no need to criticize anyone here.

I don't smoke, and due to my career path I couldn't risk it even if I wanted to (which I don't,) but most of my friends do and I have no qualms with it.

That's fine, until they're busted for holding/trafficking. If you're with them, there goes your career.

[Nedala]

The more I see you post eqdruid, the more I realize how worthless you are.

+1


Voted yes in the poll...im soooo cool :cool:

[mommylover]

That's fine, until they're busted for holding/trafficking. If you're with them, there goes your career.

You're quite dumb you know that?

You should smoke some weed bro.

[eqdruid76]

You're quite dumb you know that?

You should smoke some weed bro.

I'm not your bro.

And you should get a job.

[mommylover]

I'm not your bro.

And you should get a job.

No, you're just a stupid old clueless fart.

And you should get a job.

[eqdruid76]

No, you're just a stupid old clueless fart.

And you should get a job.

Got that?

[mommylover]

Got that?

Yes i got it.

You're a stupid old clueless fart and you should get a job.

NEEEEEEEEEEXT.

[eqdruid76]

Yes i got it.

You're a stupid old clueless fart and you should get a job.

NEEEEEEEEEEXT.

Who hurt you?

[eqdruid76]

Who hurt you?

I actually hurt myself.

www.solosuck.com

[Desert]

Fortunately, I'm under no obligation to be liked, accepted, or approved by you. For which I am very thankful............

Likewise.

[eqdruid76]

Likewise.

It's a wonder we accomplish anything in this game, isn't it? So many taciturn, obtuse, misanthropic introverts. And those are the GOOD players :P

[Packet]

INCONCEIVABLE!

[ooantipostoo]

It's a wonder we accomplish anything in this game, isn't it? So many taciturn, obtuse, misanthropic introverts. And those are the GOOD players :P

Your dumb like rocks.

[Ripcord]

Weed is not a drug you jokers, its a plant and far less dangerous then alcohol.Its already partially legal in the us and its heading in the right direction. Dissing people who share this hobby is pointless and makes you seem brainwashed by people who spend lots of money to spread fear of pot purely to further their own agendas.

[Loke]

D.A.R.E. to say no guys.

edit: Ripcord.. to a lot of people, smoking weed surpasses being a hobby and becomes a lifestyle.. and that is pathetic imo. I occasionally use certain substances from time to time, but 1/2 these people let smoking weed define who they are. I don't diss the fact that they use it, but the fact that they allow it to be such a difinitive part of their lives.

[Barkingturtle]

Smoking pot makes one lazy and fat. I prefer meth.

[Ripcord]

I don't see how you can label everyone (or even half) who smokes as someone who's entire life revolves around it. Do you see people who drink coffee several times a day and judge them as pathetic caffine junkies?

[Dantes]

edit: Ripcord.. to a lot of people, smoking weed surpasses being a hobby and becomes a lifestyle.. and that is pathetic imo. I occasionally use certain substances from time to time, but 1/2 these people let smoking weed define who they are. I don't diss the fact that they use it, but the fact that they allow it to be such a difinitive part of their lives.

Are you talking about weed or EverQuest? ;)

[President]

I don't see how you can label everyone (or even half) who smokes as someone who's entire life revolves around it. Do you see people who drink coffee several times a day and judge them as pathetic caffine junkies?

It's funny how people get labeled as worthless just because they smoke pot regularly. Ignorant people seem to see lazy worthless college aged smokers and think that's just how everyone is from smoking. It's funny though.. Almost all of my friends who smoke regularly carry 40+ hour a week jobs and are considered top quality employees, or are getting good grades in school while working part time on the side, or some other mix of "not being worthless."

[Loke]

You guys are taking what I'm saying out of context. I'm not saying that everyone that smokes weed is lazy or whatever. What I am saying is there are a lot of people who smoke weed that feel the need to constantly talk about it and make it such a large part of their life that it becomes a defining characteristic of who they are.

I'm by no means against drug use, and actually use certain substances myselfr from time to time. A perfect example of what I'm saying is my roommate. I've lived with the kid for 8 or so months now, and just recently found out that he is a daily pot smoker. For 5-6 months we lived together and he knew I didn't smoke, so he just never felt the need to bring it up. Despite being a daily pot smoker, he is one of the smartest, hardest working individuals I know and is actually headed off to Stanford in the fall for graduate school. He is the type of person who smokes pot, but doesn't allow it to define who he is.

A lot of people who smoke aren't like him and instead feel the need to plaster pot leaves or "420" all over the place, or constantly talk about pot to let everyone know that they smoke. The stereotypical pot head isnt the person who smokes pot, but the person who wants everyone else to know that they smoke pot... and this thread is just a prime example of that.

[Dork]

Weed is not a drug you jokers, its a plant..

Coca is a plant
Foxglove is a plant
Sugar is a plant
Mushrooms are like plants, kind of
Alcohol can be made from plats

I'm forgetting some. My point is, just because it's a plant, doesn't mean it's "safe". I'd suggest a better debate point, if you want to bring people to your side. And no, I don't smoke anymore. I'm already dumb enough, when high I go into the barely animated mannequin phase.

[President]

You guys are taking what I'm saying out of context. I'm not saying that everyone that smokes weed is lazy or whatever. What I am saying is there are a lot of people who smoke weed that feel the need to constantly talk about it and make it such a large part of their life that it becomes a defining characteristic of who they are.

I'm by no means against drug use, and actually use certain substances myselfr from time to time. A perfect example of what I'm saying is my roommate. I've lived with the kid for 8 or so months now, and just recently found out that he is a daily pot smoker. For 5-6 months we lived together and he knew I didn't smoke, so he just never felt the need to bring it up. Despite being a daily pot smoker, he is one of the smartest, hardest working individuals I know and is actually headed off to Stanford in the fall for graduate school. He is the type of person who smokes pot, but doesn't allow it to define who he is.

A lot of people who smoke aren't like him and instead feel the need to plaster pot leaves or "420" all over the place, or constantly talk about pot to let everyone know that they smoke. The stereotypical pot head isnt the person who smokes pot, but the person who wants everyone else to know that they smoke pot... and this thread is just a prime example of that.

This is because its illegal and it shouldn't be. People wouldn't talk about using it or plaster pot leaves or "420" everywhere if it was and had been perfectly legal for a long time.

The only way it will become legal is when law makers realized they would need to put 50% of the US population in jail if they actually followed their own drug laws.

[President]

Coca is a plant
Foxglove is a plant
Sugar is a plant
Mushrooms are like plants, kind of
Alcohol can be made from plats

I'm forgetting some. My point is, just because it's a plant, doesn't mean it's "safe". I'd suggest a better debate point, if you want to bring people to your side. And no, I don't smoke anymore. I'm already dumb enough, when high I go into the barely animated mannequin phase.

Someone doesn't simply chop up and snort a coca leaf. It goes through chemical process to make it much more potent than the plant itself, weed on the other hand, does not. It's the same thing for valerium root & Valium. Valerium root can be bought in stores and is a slight sedative to help sleep, where as Valium has gone through a process to make it much much stronger and that is why it's considered a drug.

[Maurk]

all day everyday even right now

[ShadowWulf]

Someone doesn't simply chop up and snort a coca leaf.

Actually, yes, you do. You chew coca leaves in their natural state and they are uin every way as addictive and active as other methods, if a little slower to react.

Many, many MANY natural things will kill you dead. Something being natural does not by default make it safe. However weed has gone through by this time hundreds of generations of cultivation and very selective breeding to increase it THC content, flavors, color and a host of other factors. I would argue that outside of soybeans, cotton and corn weed is quickly becoming one of those most man-modified plants around. And if it ever gets legalized anywhere, i hope you LOVE Montsano and modified plants, because that's all you'll be left with when someone patents the plant's chromosomes itself. Anybody who honestly believes THC is not a drug needs to get their head out of the ass end of the weed-propaganda movement, and pickup a text book and do some reading. Im not arguing thats its BAD for you in the same way cocaine is but it IS a drug, by action and definition.

I agree with Loke however, this is just a thread for people who define themselves by their drug use now, and not people who use drugs but are not defined by it.

[Barkingturtle]

Someone doesn't simply chop up and snort a coca leaf. It goes through chemical process to make it much more potent than the plant itself, weed on the other hand, does not. It's the same thing for valerium root & Valium. Valerium root can be bought in stores and is a slight sedative to help sleep, where as Valium has gone through a process to make it much much stronger and that is why it's considered a drug.

The pot you buy from your dealer isn't naturally occurring marijuana.

[President]

Actually, yes, you do. You chew coca leaves in their natural state and they are uin every way as addictive and active as other methods, if a little slower to react.

Wrong:

"Absorption of cocaine from the leaf is much less rapid and efficient than from the purified forms of cocaine, and it does not cause the euphoric and psychoactive effects associated with use of the drug."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca

Many, many MANY natural things will kill you dead. Something being natural does not by default make it safe. However weed has gone through by this time hundreds of generations of cultivation and very selective breeding to increase it THC content, flavors, color and a host of other factors. I would argue that outside of soybeans, cotton and corn weed is quickly becoming one of those most man-modified plants around. And if it ever gets legalized anywhere, i hope you LOVE Montsano and modified plants, because that's all you'll be left with when someone patents the plant's chromosomes itself. Anybody who honestly believes THC is not a drug needs to get their head out of the ass end of the weed-propaganda movement, and pickup a text book and do some reading. Im not arguing thats its BAD for you in the same way cocaine is but it IS a drug, by action and definition.

I agree with Loke however, this is just a thread for people who define themselves by their drug use now, and not people who use drugs but are not defined by it.

Its far less man modified than any other hard drug. Cocaine? Heroine? Meth?

Then you must also think that Caffeine, Tobacco, Alcohol, etc. are also drugs?

[President]

The pot you buy from your dealer isn't naturally occurring marijuana.

This may be true but lumping it in the same boat as cocaine, heroine, etc. is ludicrous.

[Loke]

Then you must also think that Caffeine, Tobacco, Alcohol, etc. are also drugs?

Is anyone going to seriously argue that they are not? Pretty sure it's a commonly accepted fact that all of those things are drugs.

[President]

Is anyone going to seriously argue that they are not? Pretty sure it's a commonly accepted fact that all of those things are drugs.

Yet everyone still treats marijuana like its the devil while these things are commonplace.

[Dork]

I never said "it was the devil". I never even said it was bad...:confused:

[President]

I never said "it was the devil". I never even said it was bad...:confused:

I wasn't specifically talking about people in this thread. Just, in general.

[Stickyfingers]

I love weed. Getting high is great.

[L2Phantom]

I'm the coolest guy on this server, I haze 25/7 in the bathtub even. Whickity whickity whack, beat that niggz.

God, I'm so white.

[Tallenn]

Need option for: used to, but don't anymore. I had to give up years ago.

Not out of any sense of morality or whatever. It just was starting to make me nauseous. Which is odd, since a lot of people take it to combat nausea... /shrug.

[ShadowWulf]

Its far less man modified than any other hard drug. Cocaine? Heroine? Meth?

Then you must also think that Caffeine, Tobacco, Alcohol, etc. are also drugs?

Is this a joke? Seriously? Do you understand what addiction even is, first off? One thing it helps to understand is that addiction has little to do with the potency of the individual drug in alot of cases and more to do with psychological and mental issues in the individual. Addictive behavior needs not even be drug oriented (as in the case of gambling addiction).

The 7 criteria for addiction are:
1. Tolerance. Has your use of drugs or alcohol increased over time?
2. Withdrawal. When you stop using, have you ever experienced physical or emotional withdrawal? Have you had any of the following symptoms: irritability, anxiety, shakes, sweats, nausea, or vomiting?
3. Difficulty controlling your use. Do you sometimes use more or for a longer time than you would like? Do you sometimes drink to get drunk? Do you stop after a few drink usually, or does one drink lead to more drinks?
4. Negative consequences. Have you continued to use even though there have been negative consequences to your mood, self-esteem, health, job, or family?
5. Neglecting or postponing activities. Have you ever put off or reduced social, recreational, work, or household activities because of your use?
6. Spending significant time or emotional energy. Have you spent a significant amount of time obtaining, using, concealing, planning, or recovering from your use? Have you spend a lot of time thinking about using? Have you ever concealed or minimized your use? Have you ever thought of schemes to avoid getting caught?
7. Desire to cut down. Have you sometimes thought about cutting down or controlling your use? Have you ever made unsuccessful attempts to cut down or control your use?

If you answered yes to at least 3 of these questions, then you meet the medical definition of addiction. This definition is based on the of American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) criteria.

Anything that has clear well known withdraw, tolerance, and overdose symptoms is a drug. In fact, its well known that caffeine is a psychoactive drug with all the addictive criteria but has not been labeled thus in the US due to a desire of the FDA to keep a valuable food additive as unregulated as possible out of profit motivated concerns.
http://www.acnp.org/g4/gn401000165/CH161.html

Alcohol also is a mind altering substance, and a drug in terms of the addictive recovery treatments used to treat it. No psychologist or clinician worth his weight would look at it any other way. In fact several states flat out now say, yes, its a drug.
http://www.ncabc.com/education/middleSchool/isAlcoholADrug.aspx


One addictive substance in tobacco is nicotine, a highly addictive, mind altering and behavior altering substance that escaped more rigid controls again because the FDA has seen fit to keep cigarettes from falling under the classification of a "drug", which would in the end require extensive reclassification of them as a product and hurt the governments bottom line: Killing people with money. Smokers pay the overwhelming burden in taxes.

The 1988 Surgeon General's Report, "Nicotine Addiction," concluded that

* Cigarettes and other forms of tobacco are addicting.
* Nicotine is the drug that causes addiction.
* Pharmacologic and behavioral characteristics that determine tobacco addiction are similar to those that determine addiction to drugs such as heroin and cocaine.


Any other questions? In case your wondering im working on a degree in addiction treatments and my state counseling certification, on top of 30 years of hands on observances both in others and myself in regards to every drug you care to name.

Anybody who tries to claim marijuana is not a drug because its natural, is simply stoned stupid.

[mommylover]

The 7 criteria for addiction are:
1. Tolerance. Has your use of drugs or alcohol increased over time?
2. Withdrawal. When you stop using, have you ever experienced physical or emotional withdrawal? Have you had any of the following symptoms: irritability, anxiety, shakes, sweats, nausea, or vomiting?
3. Difficulty controlling your use. Do you sometimes use more or for a longer time than you would like? Do you sometimes drink to get drunk? Do you stop after a few drink usually, or does one drink lead to more drinks?
4. Negative consequences. Have you continued to use even though there have been negative consequences to your mood, self-esteem, health, job, or family?
5. Neglecting or postponing activities. Have you ever put off or reduced social, recreational, work, or household activities because of your use?
6. Spending significant time or emotional energy. Have you spent a significant amount of time obtaining, using, concealing, planning, or recovering from your use? Have you spend a lot of time thinking about using? Have you ever concealed or minimized your use? Have you ever thought of schemes to avoid getting caught?
7. Desire to cut down. Have you sometimes thought about cutting down or controlling your use? Have you ever made unsuccessful attempts to cut down or control your use?


That makes pretty much everything in life an addiction. Even such simple things as loving and caring. Luckily we don't have to go around shooting and stabbing people to get some love.

Heck just writing a post here makes you an forum addict.

Life itself is a drug, so is marijuana. How we deal with it is another story.

[Kainzo]

People who smoke pot at concerts smell bad. Period.

[President]

Is this a joke? Seriously? Do you understand what addiction even is, first off? One thing it helps to understand is that addiction has little to do with the potency of the individual drug in alot of cases and more to do with psychological and mental issues in the individual. Addictive behavior needs not even be drug oriented (as in the case of gambling addiction).

The 7 criteria for addiction are:
1. Tolerance. Has your use of drugs or alcohol increased over time?
2. Withdrawal. When you stop using, have you ever experienced physical or emotional withdrawal? Have you had any of the following symptoms: irritability, anxiety, shakes, sweats, nausea, or vomiting?
3. Difficulty controlling your use. Do you sometimes use more or for a longer time than you would like? Do you sometimes drink to get drunk? Do you stop after a few drink usually, or does one drink lead to more drinks?
4. Negative consequences. Have you continued to use even though there have been negative consequences to your mood, self-esteem, health, job, or family?
5. Neglecting or postponing activities. Have you ever put off or reduced social, recreational, work, or household activities because of your use?
6. Spending significant time or emotional energy. Have you spent a significant amount of time obtaining, using, concealing, planning, or recovering from your use? Have you spend a lot of time thinking about using? Have you ever concealed or minimized your use? Have you ever thought of schemes to avoid getting caught?
7. Desire to cut down. Have you sometimes thought about cutting down or controlling your use? Have you ever made unsuccessful attempts to cut down or control your use?

If you answered yes to at least 3 of these questions, then you meet the medical definition of addiction. This definition is based on the of American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) criteria.

Anything that has clear well known withdraw, tolerance, and overdose symptoms is a drug. In fact, its well known that caffeine is a psychoactive drug with all the addictive criteria but has not been labeled thus in the US due to a desire of the FDA to keep a valuable food additive as unregulated as possible out of profit motivated concerns.
http://www.acnp.org/g4/gn401000165/CH161.html

Alcohol also is a mind altering substance, and a drug in terms of the addictive recovery treatments used to treat it. No psychologist or clinician worth his weight would look at it any other way. In fact several states flat out now say, yes, its a drug.
http://www.ncabc.com/education/middleSchool/isAlcoholADrug.aspx


One addictive substance in tobacco is nicotine, a highly addictive, mind altering and behavior altering substance that escaped more rigid controls again because the FDA has seen fit to keep cigarettes from falling under the classification of a "drug", which would in the end require extensive reclassification of them as a product and hurt the governments bottom line: Killing people with money. Smokers pay the overwhelming burden in taxes.

The 1988 Surgeon General's Report, "Nicotine Addiction," concluded that

* Cigarettes and other forms of tobacco are addicting.
* Nicotine is the drug that causes addiction.
* Pharmacologic and behavioral characteristics that determine tobacco addiction are similar to those that determine addiction to drugs such as heroin and cocaine.


Any other questions? In case your wondering im working on a degree in addiction treatments and my state counseling certification, on top of 30 years of hands on observances both in others and myself in regards to every drug you care to name.

Anybody who tries to claim marijuana is not a drug because its natural, is simply stoned stupid.

Wow, I am really glad you wasted so much time going off on a tangent about addiction. I was not the one who said "Marijuana is not a drug, its a plant," which really has nothing to do with your retarded rant on addiction. Though I do think that it can be smoked for pleasure without going through any chemical process like other hard drugs should say something about it, just like tobacco. Anyone who thinks that marijuana should be in the same classification as cocaine, heroin, meth, etc. which you apparently do, is simply fucking retarded.

And, as another person stated, your list basically makes everything that is done an addiction. Everquest is now an addiction according to your list.

Anyone who thinks Marijuana is "addictive" is simply retarded. Habit forming, yes, but that can be said about ANYTHING that provides relaxation, entertainment, etc. Are you going to start counseling people who watch TV all the time because they are HORRIBLY ADDICTED?!?!?!

Sounds like your wasting your $ on a poor education.

[Shannacore]

president wins !

[ShadowWulf]

Anyone who thinks that marijuana should be in the same classification as cocaine, heroin, meth, etc. which you apparently do, is simply fucking retarded.

And, as another person stated, your list basically makes everything that is done an addiction. Everquest is now an addiction according to your list.

Anyone who thinks Marijuana is "addictive" is simply retarded. Habit forming, yes, but that can be said about ANYTHING that provides relaxation, entertainment, etc. Are you going to start counseling people who watch TV all the time because they are HORRIBLY ADDICTED?!?!?!

Sounds like your wasting your $ on a poor education.

Not obnly do you fail to understand what addiction IS, but you managed to take a complicated argument and simplify it down to "Nuh uh! Why? Cuz i said so!"

I never said weed, inherently, is addictive.
I never even said it should be treated like crack.
Everquest and other MMO's CAN be an addiction, and a previous thread here shows that. So can many other things.
Your argument is similar to arguing against car crashes being fatal because the last one you were in wasn't, so the rest must be fake.
As for the "Addiction tangent" as you put it was intended as a reflection on other drugs more so than weed. Which, if you had read the post (which you could not of, hence everything you posted above) had nothing to do with weed but rather with the argument that other substances listed in the thread were not drugs either, and about the argument of weed being or not being a drug.
You show such a limited narrow understanding of the issue trying to educate you on it is frankly a waste of time I feel.

If your life has been shattered forgive me, but it takes someone seriously upset and confused, to get so angry over such a textbook, founded, subject like you have. But at least i posted links, verified references, and the "waste of education" on addiction your awfully ill informed was straight from (ill post it again, because you didn't read the last post) American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) textbooks. :eek:

[President]

Not obnly do you fail to understand what addiction IS, but you managed to take a complicated argument and simplify it down to "Nuh uh! Why? Cuz i said so!"

I know what addiction is.

I never said weed, inherently, is addictive.
I never even said it should be treated like crack.

Then what the fuck is your argument here?

Everquest and other MMO's CAN be an addiction, and a previous thread here shows that. So can many other things.
Your argument is similar to arguing against car crashes being fatal because the last one you were in wasn't, so the rest must be fake.

Pointless addition.

As for the "Addiction tangent" as you put it was intended as a reflection on other drugs more so than weed. Which, if you had read the post (which you could not of, hence everything you posted above) had nothing to do with weed but rather with the argument that other substances listed in the thread were not drugs either, and about the argument of weed being or not being a drug.

This whole discussion is about weed. Why the fuck are you going off on random tangents without putting any personal explanation in there? Seriously its like fucking Good Will Hunter over here when he gets on that dudes ass for regurgitating his text book without any thought of his own.

You show such a limited narrow understanding of the issue trying to educate you on it is frankly a waste of time I feel.

*Yawn*

If your life has been shattered forgive me, but it takes someone seriously upset and confused, to get so angry over such a textbook, founded, subject like you have. But at least i posted links, verified references, and the "waste of education" on addiction your awfully ill informed was straight from (ill post it again, because you didn't read the last post) American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) textbooks. :eek:

Bahahhaha... Look at your posts and you call me upset, confused, and angry? Laughable. Try getting some links and references that are relevant to the discussion not just post a bunch of babble about what addiction is and maybe it will matter.


Seriously, you took this:

Its far less man modified than any other hard drug. Cocaine? Heroine? Meth?

Then you must also think that Caffeine, Tobacco, Alcohol, etc. are also drugs?

And answered with this:

Is this a joke? Seriously? Do you understand what addiction even is, first off? One thing it helps to understand is that addiction has little to do with the potency of the individual drug in alot of cases and more to do with psychological and mental issues in the individual. Addictive behavior needs not even be drug oriented (as in the case of gambling addiction).

The 7 criteria for addiction are:
1. Tolerance. Has your use of drugs or alcohol increased over time?
2. Withdrawal. When you stop using, have you ever experienced physical or emotional withdrawal? Have you had any of the following symptoms: irritability, anxiety, shakes, sweats, nausea, or vomiting?
3. Difficulty controlling your use. Do you sometimes use more or for a longer time than you would like? Do you sometimes drink to get drunk? Do you stop after a few drink usually, or does one drink lead to more drinks?
4. Negative consequences. Have you continued to use even though there have been negative consequences to your mood, self-esteem, health, job, or family?
5. Neglecting or postponing activities. Have you ever put off or reduced social, recreational, work, or household activities because of your use?
6. Spending significant time or emotional energy. Have you spent a significant amount of time obtaining, using, concealing, planning, or recovering from your use? Have you spend a lot of time thinking about using? Have you ever concealed or minimized your use? Have you ever thought of schemes to avoid getting caught?
7. Desire to cut down. Have you sometimes thought about cutting down or controlling your use? Have you ever made unsuccessful attempts to cut down or control your use?

If you answered yes to at least 3 of these questions, then you meet the medical definition of addiction. This definition is based on the of American Psychiatric Association (DSM-IV) and the World Health Organization (ICD-10) criteria.

Anything that has clear well known withdraw, tolerance, and overdose symptoms is a drug. In fact, its well known that caffeine is a psychoactive drug with all the addictive criteria but has not been labeled thus in the US due to a desire of the FDA to keep a valuable food additive as unregulated as possible out of profit motivated concerns.
http://www.acnp.org/g4/gn401000165/CH161.html

Alcohol also is a mind altering substance, and a drug in terms of the addictive recovery treatments used to treat it. No psychologist or clinician worth his weight would look at it any other way. In fact several states flat out now say, yes, its a drug.
http://www.ncabc.com/education/middl...oholADrug.aspx


One addictive substance in tobacco is nicotine, a highly addictive, mind altering and behavior altering substance that escaped more rigid controls again because the FDA has seen fit to keep cigarettes from falling under the classification of a "drug", which would in the end require extensive reclassification of them as a product and hurt the governments bottom line: Killing people with money. Smokers pay the overwhelming burden in taxes.

The 1988 Surgeon General's Report, "Nicotine Addiction," concluded that

* Cigarettes and other forms of tobacco are addicting.
* Nicotine is the drug that causes addiction.
* Pharmacologic and behavioral characteristics that determine tobacco addiction are similar to those that determine addiction to drugs such as heroin and cocaine.


Any other questions? In case your wondering im working on a degree in addiction treatments and my state counseling certification, on top of 30 years of hands on observances both in others and myself in regards to every drug you care to name.

Anybody who tries to claim marijuana is not a drug because its natural, is simply stoned stupid.


What has been your point posting at all in this thread? You screamed WEED IS A DRUG!!! ADDICTION ! RAWR! It's becoming pretty obvious that you just want to spout a bunch of shit you are learning in class to make yourself look like a bad ass and not put any personal thought into it. There is a lot more than drug addiction that factors in on drug classification.

The obvious point everyone here is trying to make when they say "weed is not a drug" is that is should not be labeled as a drug in the same way that harder drugs are which is the status quo. Nobody walks around and calls tobacco a drug which really is the closest thing out there to weed. Obviously you wouldn't classify caffeine the same way you would classify crack even though under your handy little checklist they would both be considered addictive.

But go ahead, keep copying and pasting stuff on over thinking you are a bad ass.

[Senadin]

Well he's right.... weed is a drug and so is caffeine and they both are addictive!

Potency, effects and long term effects (social/physical) are a totally different thing altogether, so i guess you are right too!



/thread

[President]

Well he's right.... weed is a drug and so is caffeine and they both are addictive!

Potency, effects and long term effects (social/physical) are a totally different thing altogether, so i guess you are right too!



/thread

Good sum up, I approve.

[ShadowWulf]

The obvious point everyone here is trying to make when they say "weed is not a drug" is that is should not be labeled as a drug in the same way that harder drugs are which is the status quo. Nobody walks around and calls tobacco a drug which really is the closest thing out there to weed. Obviously you wouldn't classify caffeine the same way you would classify crack even though under your handy little checklist they would both be considered addictive.
.

Very well, then lets play it your way.

Why? Who should weed be exempt, or even reclassified as a food additive (the only currently existing alternative btw, like nicotine and caffeine). You just agreed with the addictive statement by another poster on weed, remember. That i do not agree with myself btw, ONLY the psychological dependence, not physical has been proven.
Peop

The argument on people not calling tobacco a drug is also flawed, because I have yet to meet one person who did not in some way acknowledge tobacco and nicotine were a drug.

You also seem to misrepresent the argument at hand, so I ask again why exactly did this touch a cord in you?

Professionally we do not treat nicotine as we do crack, nor caffeine. Are they all addictive? Yes.
But that argument is inherently flawed sir presidente. Is a heart attack as fatal as a gun shot wound? Yes, it can be, circumstances depending im sure. Do you treat them differently? Yes. Yet they both remain medical conditions.

[Senadin]

Very well, then lets play it your way.

Why? Who should weed be exempt, or even reclassified as a food additive (the only currently existing alternative btw, like nicotine and caffeine).
/snip





Not sure in the US but isnt there a category for natural/health products?

I mean unless you're making brownies or something... lol Pot really isnt a food additive!

IMHO, that would fit the category much better. They already have medicinal marijuana anyway.


EDIT: a reason why to legalize it? The huge legal cost for folks who get caught with a few doobies. I dont smoke, btw i did long ago. How about kids who have a good future ahead of themselves but happen to be caught smoking? They arent really addicted yet and it screws up their life a fair ammount.

Dont worry, the US probably will never legalize it, Your big Pharma will make sure of that!

[President]

Very well, then lets play it your way.

Why? Who should weed be exempt, or even reclassified as a food additive (the only currently existing alternative btw, like nicotine and caffeine). You just agreed with the addictive statement by another poster on weed, remember. That i do not agree with myself btw, ONLY the psychological dependence, not physical has been proven.
Peop

Can you please retype this in a fashion that makes any sense so I can respond.

The argument on people not calling tobacco a drug is also flawed, because I have yet to meet one person who did not in some way acknowledge tobacco and nicotine were a drug.

Well maybe you haven't, but to deny there aren't people out there who will look down on you for smoking weed while they take down a pack of cigarettes a day is ignorant.

You also seem to misrepresent the argument at hand, so I ask again why exactly did this touch a cord in you?

Haha.. yes.. Im misrepresenting it..

Professionally we do not treat nicotine as we do crack, nor caffeine. Are they all addictive? Yes.
But that argument is inherently flawed sir presidente. Is a heart attack as fatal as a gun shot wound? Yes, it can be, circumstances depending im sure. Do you treat them differently? Yes. Yet they both remain medical conditions.

I wasn't saying we do, you are the person who is only bringing in addiction into the argument when there are many other factors that go into drug classification.


Seriously dude, start making sense.

[President]

And for the record, I believe all drugs should be legalized, regulated, and taxed.

This is what we get out of the drug war:
-Billions in dollars spent combating drugs.
-Thousands of people dying per year due to getting bad drugs or overdosing because they don't know how to use the drugs properly.
-Tens of Thousands of non-violent & violent people in prison to the tune of 40,000 taxpayer dollars per person per year.
-Underground network of drugs that promote criminal activity and prevent taxation and regulation.

[ShadowWulf]

And for the record, I believe all drugs should be legalized, regulated, and taxed.

This is what we get out of the drug war:
-Billions in dollars spent combating drugs.
-Thousands of people dying per year due to getting bad drugs or overdosing because they don't know how to use the drugs properly.
-Tens of Thousands of non-violent & violent people in prison to the tune of 40,000 taxpayer dollars per person per year.
-Underground network of drugs that promote criminal activity and prevent taxation and regulation.

This would be a debate/argument of epic size. One I have had before on other more debate/free-thought oriented web sites.

If you really wanna keep digging into the subject then make a new thread and ill be happy to (out of fun mind you, id like to keep the flames to a minimum). If not then we can just drop it :cool: your call, though I am logging in game now for some leveling.

[eqdruid76]

And for the record, I believe all drugs should be legalized, regulated, and taxed.

This is what we get out of the drug war:
-Billions in dollars spent combating drugs.
-Thousands of people dying per year due to getting bad drugs or overdosing because they don't know how to use the drugs properly.
-Tens of Thousands of non-violent & violent people in prison to the tune of 40,000 taxpayer dollars per person per year.
-Underground network of drugs that promote criminal activity and prevent taxation and regulation.

Ignorance. Complete, utter, sheer igorance.

[Aeolwind]

The best thing about legalizing weed is the increased profit that would be seen by M&M, Mars, Lays, Pringles, Peter Pan, & Little Debbie.

On the other hand, I don't smoke weed....tastes like ass, smells like shit. I never do a drug that has that many similarities to an orifice.

Legalized weed will -never- happen. They are trying to CRUSH cigarettes, and based on the studies I've seen, 1 joint contains FAR more tar & carcinogens than cigarettes. Now, whether those studies were slanted one way or the other is up for debate. Health care companies DON'T want it: Lost revenue in rehab & increased cost in long term effects. Drug companies DO want it because then they can grow shit that will make your face melt off & make bitchin' profit.

Legalizing weed would create approximately 200000 jobs in the US (forgot citation): From regulation, to packaging, to cultivating, to sales. It would remove nearly 400000 people from prison (http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/53, validity undetermined), yielding 16,000,000,000 in recovered tax dollars(In prisons ALONE. This is not including the enforcement costs associated with the WOD; about 42 billion). This easily pays for government reg. Now, on top of that you gain taxes. If taxed similar to cigarettes (1.01$ a pack) at 20% of market value fed tax wages would reach nearly 8 billion dollars (avg of 35 billion spent on purchasing weed each year).

So, to me, from a capitalist stand point: Legalize it, tax it, remove the stigma, make people rich. Tax the seeds based on potential yield and you'll add another boat load in tax dollars.

It isn't the governments job to tell us what we can and cannot do. It is the governments job to make sure we can do it safely, within reason.

[President]

Ignorance. Complete, utter, sheer igorance.

Explain yourself.

[President]

It isn't the governments job to tell us what we can and cannot do. It is the governments job to make sure we can do it safely, within reason.

Exactly.

[Goobles]

What I do understand, even though I hardly partake, is a certain bond that smokers get between people they smoke/discuss smoke with. It's the same as your buddy who will take a tequila shot with you, or head outside and smoke a cigarette with you, or start up the grill and cook a few steaks with you, or head to the local bar/venue with you, or play videos games with you, or hit on a fat girl for you while you take the hot one, or go one a camping trip, hike, or a morning run.

They are all social activities that bring people together, though this certain activity will hurt your lung capacity while making you relaxed, it is hardly different than any other activity/drug/distraction.

The more I see you post eqdruid, the more I realize how worthless you are.


Misery enjoys company. Which is why I like to drink alone.

[ShadowWulf]

So, to me, from a capitalist stand point: Legalize it, tax it, remove the stigma, make people rich. Tax the seeds based on potential yield and you'll add another boat load in tax dollars.

It isn't the governments job to tell us what we can and cannot do. It is the governments job to make sure we can do it safely, within reason.

The governments job is telling us what we can or cannot do, OR making sure we do it safely is a point that, out of context, is meaningless.
Governments place is to serve the people. Nothing else.
If the people want to be told what to do, then government may do so.
If not, again its up to the particular social contract of that nation. Our particular constitution is very much open ended on that front, allowing us to go from one extreme to the next as the people wish.
The people are, at the end of the day, more important that the system.

In so far as legal weed, besides being a minor boon (Yep, minor at best) to fast food and junk food as with any other business when made legal profits would take a steep nose dive into shitville. People simply will not continue to pay hundreds of dollars for a stinky bud. People like me still willingly pay $15 and up for a bottle of beer, but I know VERY few others who would even when they have the money.
Once the legal aspect is removed all justification for artificial prices and market manipulation falls away and as the last 2 months here in California shows, the market stabilizes.
I know of 8 medical clinics for weed that have closed down in 60 days.
The rest are driving prices lower and lower. Either, as usually happens, a large transnational pharma will step in to control the market itself (effectively competing with only itself, as is the American way.... :mad: ) if it ever becomes legal in the state, driving the small clinics into the dirt and, as they do NOW, not paying taxes by simply reincorporating overseas (Haliburton, BP, Transocean, most electronics manufactures in the US, ect).

If you want the entrepreneurs to get rich, then keep it illegal. If you want to help the rich get richer, then by all means go ahead.

[redghosthunter]

I knew there were a lot of smokers out there but WOW. I prefer to go UP not DOWN.

[guineapig]

Legalized weed will -never- happen. They are trying to CRUSH cigarettes, and based on the studies I've seen, 1 joint contains FAR more tar & carcinogens than cigarettes. Now, whether those studies were slanted one way or the other is up for debate. Health care companies DON'T want it: Lost revenue in rehab & increased cost in long term effects. Drug companies DO want it because then they can grow shit that will make your face melt off & make bitchin' profit.



Do you have any idea how much money this country makes off of tobacco products? They aren't going to make cigarettes illegal. It would completely destroy our economy. All the anti-smoking ads are just a way for them to get away with breaking all the taxation laws that this country (U.S.) was founded upon when it comes to alcohol and tobacco.

[Tallenn]

Do you have any idea how much money this country makes off of tobacco products? They aren't going to make cigarettes illegal. It would completely destroy our economy. All the anti-smoking ads are just a way for them to get away with breaking all the taxation laws that this country (U.S.) was founded upon when it comes to alcohol and tobacco.

Don't forget firearms. The BATFE was instituted to go after people for violations of TAX laws- in fact, the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA) is, in essence, a law describing the collecting of taxes for certain types of firearms.

BATFE is an organization dedicated to going after people for not paying a $200 tax (with machine guns, black ninja costumes, and jack boots).