Staff of Elemental Mastery Earth MQ

[Nastinate]

WTB Earth staff paying well.

[Nastinate]

Monies i have, staff me want.

[Nastinate]

bump

[Nastinate]

hello world

[Boilon]

Free bump, I wish you luck! hey that rhymed! I know so many people who have been looking for one lol

[Nastinate]

Hmmm epic deliciousness

[Nastinate]

Staffy staffy...

[Nastinate]

OOOO Mr. Bungle

[Spitty]

Bump for a good cause.

[Nastinate]

All i hear is radio ga ga

[Safon]

Do any of these threads ever actually work? I don't think I've ever known a mage who found someone willing to sell an earth ele staff MQ

[Spitty]

Yeah, they do, and yeah, there has been. Last one via the boards went around the 100k mark.

[Safon]

Wow, 100k doesn't seem too bad if it's all that stands between you and your epic pet :p

Hope you find a seller!

[Nastinate]

Go back to RnF, this thread* for people looking to buy and sell.

[Safon]

Go back to RnF, this thread* for people looking to buy and sell.

Blow me

[Spitty]

This got angry.

[Nastinate]

bump dabump

[MaksimMazor]

Free bump

[Nastinate]

Cheese glorious Cheese

[Spitty]

Moar?

[Nastinate]

Bumpity bump bump

[Spitty]

Your walk has become significantly more silly as of late.

[Nastinate]

Respect walk.

[Nastinate]

Blump

[Spitty]

Pining for the fjords.

[Nastinate]

Bjork

[Nastinate]

Spork

[Nastinate]

Mork from Ork

[Spitty]

Good Christ, he's gotten into the maple syrup again.

[Atennu]

Whats well, just sold an MQ last night? wondering how i did

[Nastinate]

whatever he paid, i woulda paid more.

[Atennu]

Sold it for 100k. Thought it was very fair.

[Spitty]

100k is a good price - too bad you didn't check this thread first. I'd bet a coupla kpp that Nast woulda outbid that handily.

[Nastinate]

bumpage

[Spitty]

!

[Nastinate]

nudge

[Nastinate]

They plump when you cook em.

[Spitty]

Have you tried the angus beef franks? Duuuuude.

[Nastinate]

Pickles.

[Nastinate]

Tickles.

[Nastinate]

Rickles.

[Nastinate]

Slump

[Nastinate]

Lumpbump

[Nastinate]

DA bump

[Nastinate]

hmmm staffys

[Calabee]

Free bump, I wish you luck! hey that rhymed! I know so many people who have been looking for one lol

not sure what country you're from, but that sure as hell didnt rhyme to me O o

[Nastinate]

Ironically French Canadians arent sure what country their in. ;P

[Boilon]

not sure what country you're from, but that sure as hell didnt rhyme to me O o

ironically we are from the same country but the exact opposite in geographical location. Free bump for rhyming

[Nastinate]

O Canada! ...

[Bigcountry23]

Bumping for a fellow mage. Epic Fluffy is worth every PP!

[Nastinate]

Fluffy! here Fluffy!

[Nastinate]

Bumpity, bump bump

[Nastinate]

Bumpity, bump bump

[Nastinate]

blump

[Nastinate]

ping

[Calabee]

bump for not rhyming!!

[Spitty]

Are you ready for le roughneck base?

[Nastinate]

nudge

[Nastinate]

radio rah rah

[Eccezan]

Have one available - 200k

[Nastinate]

Sent ya an offer, thanx for the heads up.

[Nastinate]

7 up

[Spitty]

Badump.

[Nastinate]

Dump

[Nastinate]

clash*

[Spitty]

Fandango.

[Nastinate]

Raw mango

[Nastinate]

Bojangles

[Nastinate]

Rectangles

[Nastinate]

bump

[Spitty]

This thread will have the most views ever in approx. three weeks.

[Nastinate]

i sure hope not.

[Nastinate]

bump

[Eccezan]

Pretty long running thread you have here. Staff we have, plats we want.

[Spitty]

Is it too much to ask that you be reasonable about the price, though?

[uygi]

Is it too much to ask that you be reasonable about the price, though?

150k, 175k, 200k... is that too much to ask for the single most powerful item in EQ history between epics and PoP release? I paid 59k more than a friend had paid less than a week earlier, but I'm not complaining. AoN still costs quite a bit more, and does essentially nothing.

[Eccezan]

free bump...myuharin must be charmed IRL atm by my post in R&F...

WTS Mage Earth Staff - 200k

[Nastinate]

Sounds like your having trouble selling those staffs, wish you the best of luck.

[Spitty]

150k, 175k, 200k... is that too much to ask for the single most powerful item in EQ history between epics and PoP release? I paid 59k more than a friend had paid less than a week earlier, but I'm not complaining. AoN still costs quite a bit more, and does essentially nothing.

150k is acceptable. 200k is unreasonable. Nobody here gives a shit about an AoN, your 59k or your lack of complaining.

[Eccezan]

A price of 200k is as arbitrary as a price of 150k. The last earth staff sold for 175k. For one to say that one price is unreasonable over another price is purely opinion and irrelevant. People will pay what they pay. The market speaks for itself and there is no use getting all bent out of shape about it.

[Spitty]

You act like you have this wonderful fountain of knowledge that isn't completely obvious.

150k versus 200k is arbitrary, or better yet, irrelevant to a guild banker such as yourself. For a couple of guys who play this game a few times a week, that 50k gap is much bigger than you would think.

You could be a decent sort and just take the 150k. But, you're not.

[Nastinate]

staffs have sold 3-4 times the last 6 months for 100-120k and the last one for 175k.. Items prices on the server have dropped drastically during this same time period. My offer stands at 150k firm meeting you halfway and in my opinion paying 50% more than its worth. I really cant justify paying more than this and i will not justify a 200k price by purchasing.

[Eccezan]

staffs have sold 3-4 times the last 6 months for 100-120k and the last one for 175k.. Items prices on the server have dropped drastically during this same time period. My offer stands at 150k firm meeting you halfway and in my opinion paying 50% more than its worth. I really cant justify paying more than this and i will not justify a 200k price by purchasing.


If you've been offering 50% more than what you think the staff is worth for almost 2 months, what does that tell you of what your offer is compared to what the actual market value of the staff is?

I've hired the Perun Map Company to put together a diagram that is professionally done and easy to understand.
http://i.imgur.com/TbmMc.png

[Nastinate]

As the consumer I am the market and your price is not moving inventory.

[coki]

thats ecczan...

[koros]

Market value of the staff?

There is no market. You need 3+ parties to have a market, otherwise it's just two people trading (or in this case not trading).

Not to mention the item clearly has no liquidity at the price you're trying to charge.

[Spitty]

Your post - I like it.

His 'market' apparently includes some person that purchased at 175k, though whether or not that actually happened is debatable.

[diplo]

A price of 200k is as arbitrary as a price of 150k. The last earth staff sold for 175k. For one to say that one price is unreasonable over another price is purely opinion and irrelevant. People will pay what they pay. The market speaks for itself and there is no use getting all bent out of shape about it.

300k minimum imo - mage epic makes us relevant again.

[uygi]

This is really not the place for this. I'm no fan of Eccezan, I really don't know him. I've done business with him and thought he was reasonable, straightforward and fair. Eccezan on RnF =/= Eccezan the businessman.

TMO has a monopoly. They are selling the MQs, it's just a fact. Most people aren't as vocal or public as Nastinate about their purchases; I certainly wasn't. TMO keeps selling roughly as fast as they accumulate, so they bump up the price. If nobody buys one for a while and they've got 3 rotting in the bank, supply would be outpacing demand and you could maybe expect them to bump the price down.

And none of this changes that in terms of endgame items, you will probably never find a better value than 200k for the single most powerful, irreplaceable item from the current era until PoP. That's like 2 years of the live timeline, which probably equates to eternity on P99.

[Spitty]

This didn't get 'vocal' or 'public' until the last few pages, when the attitude of RnF (see the mastery of bitmap artwork displayed above) found its way onto this thread.

You may have an overdeveloped sense of whether or not this place is appropriate for a certain kind of discussion - but perhaps read the whole thread, or at least skim it a bit, before doling out advice.

When it has been established that earth staves on this server have sold for 100k prior to Eccezan's price-fixing maneuvers, and his price is increasing when every other item or MQ still dropping on p99 has fallen drastically in value, I fail to see this whole exercise as nothing more than a dick move.

[Nastinate]

Really wanted to keep things private, Ive stated in PM's twice the last 3 weeks that my offer is 150k firm and then Eccezan advertises in my thread a week later. Honestly he can set whatever price he wants, but if hes gonna post here after we've done discussed the matter, i have to throw my 2 cents in. This isnt personal, im not trying to start a pissing contest, really dont care about tmo or the server politics one way or the other. Was only trying to convey that 150k firm means stop asking me for 200k, i had made my offer and moved on.

[baramur]

Yes the Mage epic is powerful, yes the earth staff is rare, yes tmo almost has a monopoly on it, yes maybe 200k is a good price, and No i would never pay it personally.

I agree that at the current momment 200k may actually be a fair price, but for me its just not worth it, and the reason being i can wait. Thats right i can wait. Hate is revamped in velious era and staff goes from 1 to 2 a month to 2 or more a week. An items value is only that which someone will pay for it. I wish Ecc good luck in selling it, and with N good luck in finding one for a 150k, for me i have decided i will wait on velious and pay 75k max. If you cant find it hell start a twink until velious if not farm away and gluck.

[Spitty]

Considering the fact that variance is being halved and weekly 'server reset' respawns on raid mobs are being implemented, 150k now seems like too much. There's gonna be 'erf stafs' all over the place.

[Nastinate]

bump

[Slave]

100k now seems like much too much.

[Bubbles]

Which just means Ecc is going to have twice as many erf staffs to sell at 200k... which he has every right to do.

[Spitty]

I am going to follow that up with a simple bump.

So, bump.

Thank you.

[baramur]

I think you will see more Inno kills from other guilds now, I have personally been there when TMO gave us atleast 30minutes to engage Inno. I may have not believed the story if i had not witnessed it, but not all TMO just proceed to leap frog, so for the those that let us have our shot i thank you.

[Nastinate]

bump

[Spitty]

Erf. Staph.

Erf Staph.

Erfstaph.

ERFSTAPH!

[Nastinate]

bump

[Spitty]

Posting 101.

[Nastinate]

bump

[Nastinate]

bumpy

[Spitty]

And up, once again.

[Nastinate]

bump

[Spitty]

Scar Wars - Reburn of the Jetty.

[Nastinate]

Pram?

[Spitty]

Used to push a pramalot.

[Nastinate]

alot

[Spitty]

150k is gonna look pretty goddamn attractive when there's a dozen erf staphs around and nobody wants to deal with Eccezan.

[Nastinate]

bump

[Calabee]

least he didnt lowball like that other dude trading a cobalt bracer straight up for one.. lol

bump

[Nastinate]

bump a dump

[Eccezan]

150k is gonna look pretty goddamn attractive when there's a dozen erf staphs around and nobody wants to deal with Eccezan.

Free bump because many people vouch that I am pure joy to deal with!

[Spitty]

I've bought from you before and it was just fine as far as buyer-seller transactions go. You were also asking a fair price for an HCB, and I paid it with a thank-you and good day, sir. I would probably have given you an A+, would purchase again.

That Eccezan, and the Eccezan that's attempting to extort and price-fix in regards to this staff, are completely different people. You know our bankroll and offer - we've PMed it to you in no uncertain terms on multiple occasions, and it's more than reasonable.

You responded by raising the price.

Dick move, sir. Would not buy from again.

[Nastinate]

All i wanted was just one pepsi

[Nordenwatch]

150k for a pepsi? deal

[Eccezan]

I've bought from you before and it was just fine as far as buyer-seller transactions go. You were also asking a fair price for an HCB, and I paid it with a thank-you and good day, sir. I would probably have given you an A+, would purchase again.

That Eccezan, and the Eccezan that's attempting to extort and price-fix in regards to this staff, are completely different people. You know our bankroll and offer - we've PMed it to you in no uncertain terms on multiple occasions, and it's more than reasonable.

You responded by raising the price.

Dick move, sir. Would not buy from again.

Currently out of available Earth Staves. Sold one today for close to asking price of 200k. Last one sold for the same. As always, will let you know if another one becomes available.

[Spitty]

Accounting will notify you of any incoming purchase orders related to erph staphs.

[Nastinate]

This thread is making mah ass hurt.

[Spitty]

Stop eating string, then.

[Nastinate]

If someone could just follow me around with a pair of scissor, that be great.

[Nastinate]

bumpo

[Nastinate]

ping

[Spitty]

Test for echo.

[Nastinate]

Drunken forum posts are the best, was about to go on some sideways rant about how p1999 could never be like classic eq cause it lacks integrity... butt fuck it.

[Nastinate]

^ remember nothing, bump

[Eccezan]

Update: Earth Staff for sale 225k

PM Eccezan on forums or in game

[Nastinate]

I havent laughed that hard in a long time thanx ecc

[Nastinate]

slump

[Slave]

Update: Earth Staff for sale 225k

PM Eccezan on forums or in game

Now paying 45k, or 35k to a TMO seller.

[Nastinate]

dump

[Aicha]

Good luck, dude. Bump.

[Spitty]

Now paying 45k, or 35k to a TMO seller.

I know, right? Some people are just shit.

[Nastinate]

bump

[Nastinate]

ugly ugly thread

[Spitty]

I dunno, man.

On one hand, there's 14 pages of a 150k offer for an earth staff - which, by the way, is looking sillier and sillier as the days progress and prices are plummeting on every other tradeable item in the game.

That kind of sucks.

On the other hand, a major TMO representative - their 'banker', in fact - has displayed a purity level of douchebaggery unseen outside of a laboratory.

Repeatedly.

Considering the amount of time that guild spends trying to convince people they aren't a crew of absolute fuckup human beings, it's almost worth it to keep this thread going.

[Spitty]

Guy above me is, like, umad mad.

Also bump for legit cause.

[Nastinate]

U mad i mad u mad?

[Nastinate]

bump

[Nastinate]

^

[Eccezan]

I dunno, man.

On one hand, there's 14 pages of a 150k offer for an earth staff - which, by the way, is looking sillier and sillier as the days progress and prices are plummeting on every other tradeable item in the game.

That kind of sucks.

On the other hand, a major TMO representative - their 'banker', in fact - has displayed a purity level of douchebaggery unseen outside of a laboratory.

Repeatedly.

Considering the amount of time that guild spends trying to convince people they aren't a crew of absolute fuckup human beings, it's almost worth it to keep this thread going.

I disagree with your commentary. TMO always prices items to meet demand and given that we currently have zero available, it seems that we are doing a fine job at that.

Now if you spent your time saving the amount of money necessary to purchase the item you need at the market price, this post wouldn't be two months old. I don't see where douchbaggery comes into play with letting market forces work themselves out.

[Nastinate]

^ This is not Spitty's thread. I said i would not pay 200k, this does not mean i do not have 200k.

[Splorf22]

Markets don't function efficiently in the presence of a monopoly Eccezan. You can charge whatever you want for your stuff, just don't call it the market price.

[quido]

It's not really a monopoly though in the traditional sense. If other people were getting these staffs it would mean less for sale and probably a higher price. There is only a limited amount of earth staffs. I personally think this should sell for 300k given the rarity and the quality of the epic.

[Splorf22]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but TMO is the only one selling them, yes? That seems like a textbook monopoly to me.

But hey i just like trolling Spitulski's thread.

[quido]

I guess it is a monopoly technically, but the normal solution for a monopoly in this situation would only further the problem.

[Spitty]

I disagree with your commentary. TMO always prices items to meet demand and given that we currently have zero available, it seems that we are doing a fine job at that.

Now if you spent your time saving the amount of money necessary to purchase the item you need at the market price, this post wouldn't be two months old. I don't see where douchbaggery comes into play with letting market forces work themselves out.

This server has documented history of these items selling for 100k long before TMO's mages were equipped and the excess became available to the open market.

Not only did you open with a markedly higher price (which was more than fairly counter-offered), you've increased the price multiple times and so poignantly updated us via public post in this thread.

I'm sure that having guildmates express their feelings about the item price gives you more moral levity than you deserve. It happens, and thankfully I spend enough time around people of quality and of decent caliber to identify a shitty human being when I interact with one.

You are right, though - I could be ingame saving my pennies for an item you are selling. An item that has no benefit to my character, a shaman. An item I only began seeking out because a friend was having trouble sourcing a few months ago.

And you act as if I'm not trying to deal decently with you while you simultaneously act like these items are getting rarer.

Nope, no douchebaggery at all, Eccezan.

[Eccezan]

Time to learn you spitty:
Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand

The four basic laws of supply and demand are:[1]

If demand increases and supply remains unchanged, a shortage altogether, thus leads to a higher equilibrium price.
If demand decreases and supply remains unchanged, a surplus altogether, thus leads to a lower equilibrium price.
If demand remains unchanged and supply increases, a surplus altogether, thus leads to a lower equilibrium price.
If demand remains unchanged and supply decreases, a shortage altogether, thus leads to a higher equilibrium price.

[Nastinate]

WTB Earth Staff MQ

[Nastinate]

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[SuperSane]

Eccezan's Wikipidia quote failed to include the preceding and explanatory paragraph.
I want to add some information to make the issue slightly clearer (good luck if you know nothing about economics).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand#Criticisms

The rest of the quote.

"Supply and demand is an economic model of price determination in a market. It concludes that in a competitive market, the unit price for a particular good will vary until it settles at a point where the quantity demanded by consumers (at current price) will equal the quantity supplied by producers (at current price), resulting in an economic equilibrium of price and quantity."


Competitive Markets:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_competition

In economic theory, perfect competition describes markets such that no participants are large enough to have the market power to set the price of a homogeneous product. Because the conditions for perfect competition are strict, there are few if any perfectly competitive markets. Still, buyers and sellers in some auction-type markets, say for commodities or some financial assets, may approximate the concept.

[Nastinate]

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[Eccezan]

Monopoly in fact, hidden behind wall of text with business/finance jibberish.

I disagree with this. Monopoly would mean that TMO is the only guild that kills or has ever killed Innoruuk. This is completely untrue. In fact as recently as last week, Inny was killed by Taken. Whether he dropped earth staff or not, I dont know.

This also doesn't mention all of the earth staffs that have ever dropped pre-kunark that are on inactive NON TMO characters. Given these variables, we can approximate the concept of a competitive market.

[Nastinate]

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[Splorf22]

3 full posts without a flame from me, spitty, or Eccezan? This thread has lost its luster.

[Eccezan]

Inny's getting stingy with his erf staffs, and the price goes up up up...

[Nastinate]

bump

[bhatz01]

They should just have earth staffs randomly ground spawn at the bottom OOT. Have fun.

[Nastinate]

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[Eccezan]

Have an earth staff auction up in EC atm. Get it while its hot.

[Enygma]

c/o is 230k? This guy only wants to pay 150k brah!

[Nastinate]

Thanks for the heads up.

[Nastinate]

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[Nastinate]

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[Eccezan]

Another one available. Pm me with offer.