ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Gimp]

I'm so excited for ToJ next week. That should be epic.

[derpcake]

I'm still mad about the Rez

Real dumb

I hoped you'd get sacced forJon

[derpcake]

i know some people were expecting Jon to not come back til later in the season, but im glad they got that all out of the way. we all knew Jon was coming back, and we all knew Melisandre was gonna bring him back.

the ressing seemed pretty effortless, so i guess there is now a clr epic in-game

i was hoping Jon would get to wear the amulet as part of the process (and gain red witch looks), but then i play on red so

[holahouze]

I'm all for the show pushing forward, but i thought major scheisse went down last night in all too easy form.

>> Jamie turned away by a few sharp words of HS
>> Tyrion approaching/freeing dragons with talk one might use with a strange dog
>> NW totally caving in after Thorne had "rallied" them against all things Wildings
>> Balon gets one snotty scene before getting thrown from rope bridge
>> Roose gets shivved during tender fatherly embrace
>> etc

All this things seemed rushed to me.

[Rogean]

I thought the writers were going to put in some elaborate way to troll all of us into thinking Jon was coming back, get our hopes up, then nope. But now I realize, there is a larger troll in play here. He's revived only to be beheaded next week, leaving no chance for resurrection.

[Spyder73]

I thought the writers were going to put in some elaborate way to troll all of us into thinking Jon was coming back, get our hopes up, then nope. But now I realize, there is a larger troll in play here. He's revived only to be beheaded next week, leaving no chance for resurrection.

I think he will leave the Nightwatch...Since he technically died he is released from his oath yes? He will get the wildlings and retake/rebuild Winterfell. House Stark will rise again and throw a wrench in the Boltons grand plans.

EDIT: This would also make sense because it would make Melissandre's vision of victory at Winterfell actually true

[heartbrand]

terrible episode and terrible season so far imo

[Sirken]

Definitely thought Ghost was going to stop breathing and then Jon's eyes pop wide open. I am quite disappointed by the entire sequence to be honest, it feels like a cheesy way to bring Jon back. This will be seen by many as the "jump the shark" episode. Part of GoT appeal is that its far more based in "reality" than other fantasy shows...I think there was a lot of eye rolling going on nationwide last night at the end of the episode.

I have read all the books and I realize this show has TONS of fantasy/magic elements, but resurrecting Jon Snow and the magic animating the white walkers seem like 2 different animals all together. I think the writers thought the entire LSH angle was goofy so they decided to nix it - now i feel like Jon and LSH could reunite at some point.

Overall A+, still one of the best shows around

they jumped the shark with the red wedding, people just didn't realize it at the time. same thing with the books tbh. as for ghost and jon, thats exactly where my head was. i was watching the breathing. i really would have respected them more if the rezz of Jon had been paid for by the life of Ghost, or Mel, or hell, even Davos. Part of the reason we didnt get LSH, or Coldhands, or any other rezzed/undead nerds is because it would cheapen deaths and would get viewers to start expecting it. it takes the sting out of the death.

but for anyone that really didnt believe Mel would rezz Jon... wtf are you smoking? we've literally been saying it for 5 years, and then a few years ago the HBO makes a change to purposely show viewers that Mel & Thoros meet and she is made aware of the fact that the red god / lord of light has the ability to rezz people.

i got distracted by ToV trains and forgot what else i was gonna write :p

[AzzarTheGod]

I'm all for the show pushing forward, but i thought major scheisse went down last night in all too easy form.

>> Jamie turned away by a few sharp words of HS
>> Tyrion approaching/freeing dragons with talk one might use with a strange dog
>> NW totally caving in after Thorne had "rallied" them against all things Wildings
>> Balon gets one snotty scene before getting thrown from rope bridge
>> Roose gets shivved during tender fatherly embrace
>> etc

All this things seemed rushed to me.

Agree with most of this. I posted another criticism of the pacing as on drugs, meth/steroids. Not good, and not bad so far-- but the storyline is definitely on methamphetamine for this season and I don't expect that to change.

They said they were out of story and barely had 1 more full season in them, we couldn't expect anything else. Its Boardwalk Empire remix to be sure. A show past its writing capability, and past its sell-by date simply due to lack of source material. D&D didn't seem to feel comfortable writing those final 2 season without GRRM source. I'm disappointed HBO brass didn't twist their arm, but I understand you don't simply twist the arm of a show this successful with this many viewers. You can feel the deference that HBO execs have given them, and it shows in the production of this season.

Many unbelievable steroided-methed out actions so far making the characters seem more like caricatures.

I enjoyed it but I'm also side-eyeing it. I just hope they don't do significant damage to the brand ala True Detective, because I'd like to see those spin-offs GRRM is talking about doing with HBO see the light of day.

[beyondinfin]

KINGSMOOT! They finally doing the goddamn kingsmoot. Correct me if im wrong, wasnt this the first episode it was ever even mentioned?

Im glad they rezed Jon, so now he can go take Winterfell and burn ramsay.

[Sirken]

They said they were out of story and barely had 1 more full season in them, we couldn't expect anything else.

cuts book 4, complains about lack of content :confused:

you are the worst, hbo

[AenorVZ]

Kind of surprised at how quiet it is here. :confused:

I think this thread must have some sort of Guinness Book of World Records entry for low expectations.

[AenorVZ]

and speaking of Tyrion, when he releases the dragons, i was wondering, is there another way in or out of that pyramid? because those dragons will no longer fit through the door.

the rope bridge scene with Euron & Balon was super cheesy imo.

I choked up a little during Cercei's reconciliation scene with Tomen. Not that Tomen's actor is that great but Leana just kills it without saying a word. You can tell that everything he's saying is exactly what she had hoped he would say. I've gotten so used to the good acting being interspersed with acting that's so bad it's spoof quality that I'm no longer shocked when it happens from scene to scene in GoT.

As for the dragons escaping, this is of particular interest to me. I think Dragon Tamer is my favorite chapter in the series. When I read it the first time (before reading through again after you introduced us to Preston's Dorne theories), I was SCREAMING at Quentyn's dumbass bros to THROW SOME FUCKING FOOD AT THE FUCKING DRAGONS because it's hard for them to breath fire on Quent if they're having a nice snack.

I found that chapter deeply satisfying because it was so realistic to me. Quentyn had the courage to put himself in that situation but he and his companions predictably froze up when confronted, face to face, with the enormity of what they had proposed to do. I really liked this scene with Dinklage despite all the nits we could pick.

[AzzarTheGod]

I choked up a little during Cercei's reconciliation scene with Tomen. Not that Tomen's actor is that great but Leana just kills it without saying a word. You can tell that everything he's saying is exactly what she had hoped he would say. I've gotten so used to the good acting being interspersed with acting that's so bad it's spoof quality that I'm no longer shocked when it happens from scene to scene in GoT.


Lena is one of my favorites on the show. She seems to have the Tom Cruise age-defiance fountain of youth thing going too. She has certainly aged backwards the past few years.

She is one of a few characters that is still selling in this season despite storyline fuckery abound. Jamie's interaction with the High Sparrow was complete contrived bullshit..

[AenorVZ]

Lena is one of my favorites on the show. She seems to have the Tom Cruise age-defiance fountain of youth thing going too. She has certainly aged backwards the past few years.

She is one of a few characters that is still selling in this season despite storyline fuckery abound. Jamie's interaction with the High Sparrow was complete contrived bullshit..

I don't know I thought Nikolaj was pretty convincing, it just stumbled at the end because he allowed himself to get worked up when he knew he had no tactical control of the situation. The appearance of the poor fellows should have amused him. If the scene had closed with him saying something like ...

"If you think these beggars with sticks will keep you alive one second longer than I decide, then you're a bigger fool than I could have imagined"

It would have been money.

[AzzarTheGod]

I don't know I thought Nikolaj was pretty convincing, it just stumbled at the end because he allowed himself to get worked up when he knew he had no tactical control of the situation. The appearance of the poor fellows should have amused him. If the scene had closed with him saying something like ...

"If you think these beggars with sticks will keep you alive one second longer than I decide, then you're a bigger fool than I could have imagined"

It would have been money.

It just wasn't classic Jamie. The writing faltered there...Jamie was out of character and looked hot headed and stupid as you just implied yourself.

The High sparrow delivered though.

[AenorVZ]

I guess I can't argue with you while agreeing with you.

[R Flair]

Was really disappointed with how jon came back. We all knew Melisandre was gonna try, but I hoped she would fail and he would pull a Dany and rise up out of his funeral pyre and we'd eventually discover he was Targaryen (Lyanna + Rhaegar) and fulfilling that prophecy that they've been hinting about forever.

[Gruktar]

It just wasn't classic Jamie. The writing faltered there...Jamie was out of character and looked hot headed and stupid as you just implied yourself.

The High sparrow delivered though.

I thought it was fitting. Pre-nerf Jaime was pretty hot headed and stupid, and probably would have gone to town on the HS and his goons. However, his character seems to have grown a lot since then, and he also knows he is much less capable than he was before.

I think what we saw was him slipping back into his old ways a bit before eventually thinking better of it and backing down.

[Sirken]

I choked up a little during Cercei's reconciliation scene with Tomen. Not that Tomen's actor is that great but Leana just kills it without saying a word. You can tell that everything he's saying is exactly what she had hoped he would say. I've gotten so used to the good acting being interspersed with acting that's so bad it's spoof quality that I'm no longer shocked when it happens from scene to scene in GoT.

As for the dragons escaping, this is of particular interest to me. I think Dragon Tamer is my favorite chapter in the series. When I read it the first time (before reading through again after you introduced us to Preston's Dorne theories), I was SCREAMING at Quentyn's dumbass bros to THROW SOME FUCKING FOOD AT THE FUCKING DRAGONS because it's hard for them to breath fire on Quent if they're having a nice snack.

I found that chapter deeply satisfying because it was so realistic to me. Quentyn had the courage to put himself in that situation but he and his companions predictably froze up when confronted, face to face, with the enormity of what they had proposed to do. I really liked this scene with Dinklage despite all the nits we could pick.
no it was a good scene, agreed. Cersei and Theon are probably (in my opinion) the best two actual actors on the show. the things they can express and make you feel without using any words are simply amazing. but still, how are the dragons gonna get out of the pyramid :p

[Sirken]

Was really disappointed with how jon came back. We all knew Melisandre was gonna try, but I hoped she would fail and he would pull a Dany and rise up out of his funeral pyre and we'd eventually discover he was Targaryen (Lyanna + Rhaegar) and fulfilling that prophecy that they've been hinting about forever.

Dany never died, and was never laid in a pyre. Dany was more or else protected by Mirri's blood magic if i remember it correctly. so i dunno why you'd expect Jon to just hop out of a pyre. especially when we know fire hurts Jon (season 1, Jon badly burns his hand fighting an other and defending the Lord Commander Jeor Mormont). the book and the show make a very clear point of showing us that priests of the red god have the ability to bring people back from the dead (this is Beric Dondarrion's entire purpose for existing in the books and especially in the show). and then when the show went off script to make a point of having Mel meet Thoros to learn about the cleric epic, it was essentially shoving it in our face. after that point, there should have been no doubt in anyone's mind that Mel was bringing Jon back ;)

[Sirken]

side note.

does anyone doubt at this point that Yara/Asha on the show will be given Victarion's story from the book (ie: the sail to Mereen and get Dany part)

[Fael]

Hard to say.

In the book series, it seems that the battle of Mereen (and the appearance of Victarian) is happening while Dani is encountering the Khal Jhaqo.

My guess is that Victarian will be dead by the time Dani returns to Mereen.

[Patriam1066]

I expected Melisandre to Rez Jon. I didn't expect the scene to be so ridiculously pathetic. Rezzing should be difficult or it should at least be explained that only certain people can receive them. That looked like Melisandre didn't even give a shit. Also, we get a useless prologue about Varamyr sixskins explicitly to demonstrate how skinchangers go into their animals. Jon was in ghost before receiving 96% clickie... That should've played a part in it IMO.

Overall, I hated the episode, but I'm glad roose is dead and Jon is back. Jon v Ramsay will at least be entertaining. Isn't Baelish somewhere building an army to march north? I wonder if the Freys will be joining him on account of Walda + heir being brutally murdered.

Anyway, what I took from that episode:
1. Leaf said Bran will leave the cave. That's news to me...
2. Can't wait to see Wyman Manderly WTFPWN Ramsay by defecting to Jon at the decisive moment
3. If that dragon / Tyrion scene occurred in the books, id believe 100% that he has Targ blood. That said, I don't think Dan and Dave are smart enough

[iruinedyourday]

Was really disappointed with how jon came back. We all knew Melisandre was gonna try, but I hoped she would fail and he would pull a Dany and rise up out of his funeral pyre and we'd eventually discover he was Targaryen (Lyanna + Rhaegar) and fulfilling that prophecy that they've been hinting about forever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM

[AenorVZ]

But still, how are the dragons gonna get out of the pyramid :p

FINE. They're going to walk out ... one with Tyrion on its back. He'll be taking Quentyn's part.

[holahouze]

Just had a chance to re-watch.
>> I think the doorway Tyrion uses is large enough for each dragon to squeeze through. Though they seem to have other plans at the moment.
>> Tyrion has hurdled the big Quentyn moment, right? Set up for Tyrion as a Targ (you're no son of mine).
>> I also was surprised when Leaf told Meera that Bran wouldn't be staying in cave. I'm not sure what all that means, but ITB I fear he's stuck there.
>> Hodor/Nairn needs to negotiate a personal trainer into his contract. Definitely showing signs of struggle picking Bran Muffin up.
>> I think Sansa's scenes this season have been real effective. big step up in acting.
>> For those who didn't care for Mel's role in resurrection, please feel free to join my fantasy that Ghost stirring right before Jon awakens is significant.
>> Yep, I think Yara/Asha takes on Victarian role in Mereen. More character consolidation/substitution.
>> Ramsay's hounds seem appropriately vicious. WTF happened to them when they had Sansa and Theon cornered?
>> I don't understand the showrunners ignoring certain small details - like Bloodraven being an Albino and his birthmark, and Euron only have one eye. Interrupts my vibe.

I liked the episode better the 2nd time around.

[AenorVZ]

#TeamGhost

Also, if anyone interrogates the showrunners about what the dragons were doing, they could say there was food toward the back of the hall that the dragons will now eat because they're happy to have their collars off. One of my initial nitpicks was that Tyrion probably looked like a good snack to them if they were not that hungry. After about four watches I think we got some real smart dragons here. Also agree they going out the front door.

[Sirken]

Hard to say.

In the book series, it seems that the battle of Mereen (and the appearance of Victarian) is happening while Dani is encountering the Khal Jhaqo.

My guess is that Victarian will be dead by the time Dani returns to Mereen.

agreed on the first part. but i dont see Victarion dying (although fun fact, there's a huge theory that Victarion is already dead, here: https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/1t8uer/spoilers_all_the_case_of_victarion_and_the/). i see Victarion and Dany making some sort of deal along the lines of he'll sail her and her minions to Westeros if she somethingsomething Euron.

[Sirken]

Anyway, what I took from that episode:
1. Leaf said Bran will leave the cave. That's news to me...
2. Can't wait to see Wyman Manderly WTFPWN Ramsay by defecting to Jon at the decisive moment
3. If that dragon / Tyrion scene occurred in the books, id believe 100% that he has Targ blood. That said, I don't think Dan and Dave are smart enough

1. you and me both. i never expected bran to leave, simply because it seems Bloodraven has never left. will be interesting.

2. im very happy Wyman Manderly will be in the show. i was worried itd just be the fams weve already seen (Karstarks & Umbers). here's to hoping we get them meat pies later on! (in the trailer theres a scene with freys and lannister troops in the same hall as the red wedding. i'm HOPING thats when we see some meat pies.

3. why? Nettles was a straight up dragon rider (having tamed the dragon known as Sheepstealer), and Nettles had not one once of Targ blood

[Sirken]

FINE. They're going to walk out ... one with Tyrion on its back. He'll be taking Quentyn's part.

i think there's a better chance of them just breaking through a wall :p

[knix]

I found a video of Sirken enjoying GOT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S4kTCUCnyY

[Patriam1066]

1. you and me both. i never expected bran to leave, simply because it seems Bloodraven has never left. will be interesting.

2. im very happy Wyman Manderly will be in the show. i was worried itd just be the fams weve already seen (Karstarks & Umbers). here's to hoping we get them meat pies later on! (in the trailer theres a scene with freys and lannister troops in the same hall as the red wedding. i'm HOPING thats when we see some meat pies.

3. why? Nettles was a straight up dragon rider (having tamed the dragon known as Sheepstealer), and Nettles had not one once of Targ blood

I love Wyman. That line about "he would've grown up to be a Frey" is the best part of a dance with dragons IMO. My favorite line in the series I think. Also, I think in both book and show he will decisively own the Boltons

As for nettles, I thought she was a Targaryen bastard. I could be wrong though. TBH, I was basing my opinion on the dragons liking brown Ben plumm in the books. I hadn't gone that far back for research. Regardless, I didn't like Tyrion freeing the dragons. Tyrion mans up when needed, but that just struck me as foolish.

[Safon]

Wyman is a boss, high hopes for him, Davos and Stannis (though the latter is likely boned/doomed to fail/die somehow)

[JurisDictum]

I feel guilty about how hilarious I find the scenes of blind Aria getting beat up. In the books, this was given more thin treatment. The timeline also seems considerably altered.

Edit: I hope the books do a better job than the show when it comes to Ruse Bolton's murder. It seemed kind of random in the show.

[Mandalore93]

Nettles was a bastard of either the Targ or Velaryon lines.

[Fael]

1. you and me both. i never expected bran to leave, simply because it seems Bloodraven has never left. will be interesting.

Me either.

However, there is a scene in the season preview trailer that has the Night's King (or whoever he is) sneak up behind Bran when he is outside of the cave.

But it also looks like Bran is walking in that scene. So it could just be a confrontation between the two in the dream world, which could get interesting... or it could just be Bran observing the Night King doing what he does, whether in the present or some time in the past.

[Sirken]

Nettles was a bastard of either the Targ or Velaryon lines.
As for nettles, I thought she was a Targaryen bastard. I could be wrong though. TBH, I was basing my opinion on the dragons liking brown Ben plumm in the books. I hadn't gone that far back for research. Regardless, I didn't like Tyrion freeing the dragons. Tyrion mans up when needed, but that just struck me as foolish.

first, we can only assume Ben Plumm is a Targ if you trust Ben Plumm. Ben's mom was Dothraki, and his mom's mom was from further east. his dad we dont know about, but Ben claims to be a lot of things "Ben says he is part Braavosi, Summer Islander, Ibbenese, Qohorik, Dornish, Dothraki, and Westerosi. He claims to have a drop of Targaryen blood"

Nettles was only 16 when the Dance of the Dragons started, and while some claimed to have old ancient Targ blood, it seems much more likely they'd say anything they needed to have a chance to tame a dragon if thats what they wanted. but at only 16, i feel like they'd know whose bastard she was if she was from Aegon's line (granted she could be a bastard Targ from hundreds or years ago, but that would fall into the "well technically anything is possible" realm. she had brown skin, black hair, and black eyes. almost the complete opposite of Targ features.

as for Tyrion, it was foolish. they acknowledge that with the comment Tyrion makes to Varys about punching Tyrion in the face. but either way, i hear you ;)

seems they are really just rushing through certain "check points" as fast as possible to just move the story along.

[AenorVZ]

Yo Sirk episode four will be a side trip for Ned to return the ancestral swords, Dawn and Dusk, to Starfall.

[derpcake]

lol Ned and his rogue pal

happens on red all the time

[LGraves]

New wallpaper: http://i.imgur.com/B18chV1.png

HAHA! love it!

[Shrubwise]

lol Ned and his rogue pal

happens on red all the time

Hah

[Bisonzabi]

I found a video of Sirken enjoying GOT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S4kTCUCnyY

God damn I hate these videos. Retards overreacting to the most obvious ending.

[Patriam1066]

Yo Sirk episode four will be a side trip for Ned to return the ancestral swords, Dawn and Dusk, to Starfall.

LOL

yeah wtf....also I think Ned had a 1 hander aka he wasn't wielding Ice

Not 100% sure about that but yeah. At least the 4 v 1 reverse beat down was cool as shit

[holahouze]

GRRM has posted Arianne TWOW sample chapter. He has done readings of this chapter, so content is not entirely new.

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/

[Bisonzabi]

When's Lord Neckbeard going to stop going on vacations on cruiseline's engorging himself on food and actually finish the last two books?

[AenorVZ]

Would that make him the High Neckbeard?

[LGraves]

I'm not a book reader but this makes sense to me and has me intrigued:

http://mashable.com/2016/05/12/game-of-thrones-rickon-umber-theory/#fghQjvSW1OqM

[AenorVZ]

Could you summarize cause holy shit.

[holahouze]

I'm not a book reader but this makes sense to me and has me intrigued:

http://mashable.com/2016/05/12/game-of-thrones-rickon-umber-theory/#fghQjvSW1OqM

I would welcome this, but I fear showrunners are not headed this direction.

[holahouze]

Could you summarize cause holy shit.

The write-up is bread crumbs that suggest a "show version" of Grand Northern Conspiracy. It'd be great, if true, but Rickon's going to lose some skin.

[Phatso]

Arya says Jon snow is a half brother. And doesn't get whipped. Shouldn't that debunk r + L = J?

[wts]

Why should she get punished for Ned's lies?

[Pokesan]

are they trolling preston jacobs on purpose now?

daenarys is definitely immune to fire in the show

[Bisonzabi]

This show has gotten really lame now that they're 100% off of source material. I mean the deaths don't feel legit anymore, it's like they're trying to hastily wrap up things ESPECIALLY abandoned plot line characters from previous Seasons prior to 4-5. And if the leak I read is legit, there will be plenty of other hasty wrap ups of plotlines abandoned seasons earlier as well.

This episode was just stupid. Dany scenes are the worst and her character is just so boring and mundane.

[Tasslehofp99]

I dunno. I think that was probably the lamest scene I've seen on the show. Knocking over fire things? C'mon. Not to mention, a tent full of super badass Dothraki? Gah..

Its ironic. They were disrespecting her just moments before she brought about their fiery demise; their pride blinded them. I thought it was kind of awesome, lol :o

[R Flair]

Dany never died, and was never laid in a pyre. Dany was more or else protected by Mirri's blood magic if i remember it correctly. so i dunno why you'd expect Jon to just hop out of a pyre.
So much for that theory.

Doesn't mean Jon shared that power tho.

[R Flair]

I dunno. I think that was probably the lamest scene I've seen on the show. Knocking over fire things? C'mon. Not to mention, a tent full of super badass Dothraki? Gah..

Its lame killing your enemies in a locked room using fire that you're impervious to?

Ok then.

[Sirken]

so.. if Rhaegar didnt 'kidnap' Lyanna, and she wanted to be with him, does that make Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, and Jon Arryn the bad guys of our little story?

[holahouze]

so.. if Rhaegar didnt 'kidnap' Lyanna, and she wanted to be with him, does that make Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, and Jon Arryn the bad guys of our little story?

I'm a lot more interested in what the book does with this, but I think its possible part of Ned's character development was understanding the whole rebellion shit show was a mistake. Bad guys? No. They (Ned) would have come to the knowledge too late.

[AenorVZ]

so.. if Rhaegar didnt 'kidnap' Lyanna, and she wanted to be with him, does that make Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, and Jon Arryn the bad guys of our little story?

Don't be so judgmental maaan. GRRM is a hippy.

[heartbrand]

Even if the pretenses for the war were incorrect, that doesn't make the Mad King a good person or any more deserving of sitting on the throne.

[Spyder73]

so.. if Rhaegar didnt 'kidnap' Lyanna, and she wanted to be with him, does that make Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, and Jon Arryn the bad guys of our little story?

Its always been my understanding that Lyanna was in love with Rhaegar and that it was very much a mutual thing. They both just wanted to run away together but neither the Stark nor Targaryan families were OK with this and Ned got to them before the Targarians could or they would have probably killed Lyanna…Its been awhile since I read any of the books, but I have it very vividly in my mind that it is heavily hinted that the two were running away together because they were in love.

The kidnapping was a complete ruse because Lyanna was married? or Rhaegar was married? I don't remember exactly besides the fact that it was an obvious cover story to try to make Lyanna not look like a whore...and very transparent given the context of the books.

[holahouze]

Its always been my understanding that Lyanna was in love with Rhaegar and that it was very much a mutual thing. They both just wanted to run away together but neither the Stark nor Targaryan families were OK with this and Ned got to them before the Targarians could or they would have probably killed Lyanna…Its been awhile since I read any of the books, but I have it very vividly in my mind that it is heavily hinted that the two were running away together because they were in love.

The kidnapping was a complete ruse because Lyanna was married? or Rhaegar was married? I don't remember exactly besides the fact that it was an obvious cover story to try to make Lyanna not look like a whore...and very transparent given the context of the books.

Not sure what you mean "Ned got to them before the Targarians could or they would have probably killed Lyanna"...?

I think the kidnapping story is just a mistake, as the Starks/Robert don't think Lyanna would have gone willingly. Lyanna was betrothed to Robert, which creates it own form of tension. Rhaegar had married for duty, had the whole prophecy thing going on, and chose Lyanna (and probably loved her). Which leads to a series of GIANT screw-ups. My guess is Ned pieces this all together when he finally finds Lyanna and goes forth to lead a life as the most honorable, tragic liar in the story.

[trite]

This show has gotten really lame now that they're 100% off of source material. I mean the deaths don't feel legit anymore, it's like they're trying to hastily wrap up things ESPECIALLY abandoned plot line characters from previous Seasons prior to 4-5. And if the leak I read is legit, there will be plenty of other hasty wrap ups of plotlines abandoned seasons earlier as well.

This episode was just stupid. Dany scenes are the worst and her character is just so boring and mundane.

I heard HBO was planning to end the show at end of season 8 currently.....I agree the Danny scene could've been better, she should've self-immolated for dramatic effect ; )

[Robbintha Hood]

so.. if Rhaegar didnt 'kidnap' Lyanna, and she wanted to be with him, does that make Robert Baratheon, Ned Stark, and Jon Arryn the bad guys of our little story?

At this point, the protagonists and antagonists are a matter of how one perceives them.

I like to think that Robert, Ned, and Jon were protagonists considering how the Mad King had Lord Rickard and Brandon Stark executed. Grant it, there was a lot of build up before that moment, but that moment was essentially the pot boiling over.

[Spyder73]

Not sure what you mean "Ned got to them before the Targarians could or they would have probably killed Lyanna"...?

I believe that the Targarians in King's Landing were furious that he ran off with her and were actively trying to track them down (again its been a long time since I read this stuff)

[Sirken]

So much for that theory.
Doesn't mean Jon shared that power tho.
no, thats a show change. Targs are simply not immune to fire. go look up the tragedy at summerhall

[holahouze]

I believe that the Targarians in King's Landing were furious that he ran off with her and were actively trying to track them down (again its been a long time since I read this stuff)

Who knows what the Mad King would have done? But, Lyanna would have made a sweet war hostage if Aerys could have found her and pried her out of that tower.

[gummab]

Was just a really stupid scene. I don't feel it was executed well.

I tend to agree,after the first pyre was thrown over why did not one of the mighty khal's just leap that little bit of flame and slap her silly :confused:

I'm so unimpressed with this season,it just seems fractured and hastily put together,I'm not even sure we are going to get any WTF moment's which were plentyful reading the books yonder year's ago.

[AenorVZ]

Ned got to them before the Targarians could or they would have probably killed Lyanna…

I think that's what the King's Guard was there for. Once she gave birth, it was their job to use wilfire to burn the tower down with her inside it, Nissa Nissa style. Ned found her in a bed of blood so he got there just in time to prevent it. He probably found the tower already set up for burning when he arrived. They were just waiting for the baby to be born.

[R Flair]

I thought taking Lyanna away from Rhaegar was just a matter of her safety. If there was a war brewing, what was to say that she wouldn't be killed like Elia?

[maerilith]

Maybe some of you should join a game of thrones fanfic forum?

[holahouze]

I tend to agree,after the first pyre was thrown over why did not one of the mighty khal's just leap that little bit of flame and slap her silly :confused:

I'm so unimpressed with this season,it just seems fractured and hastily put together,I'm not even sure we are going to get any WTF moment's which were plentyful reading the books yonder year's ago.

I'm struggling some with this season, too. But, i'm hanging in.

Tell you what i really liked = Brienne crowding Davos and Mel convo! What a clowning.

[holahouze]

I think that's what the King's Guard was there for. Once she gave birth, it was their job to use wilfire to burn the tower down with her inside it, Nissa Nissa style. Ned found her in a bed of blood so he got there just in time to prevent it. He probably found the tower already set up for burning when he arrived. They were just waiting for the baby to be born.

Rhaegar had us all fooled! :D

[AzzarTheGod]

This thread is bombed. 4 episodes in barely any theorycraft. We're officially beyond the pale.

D&D have successfully bus shocked the nerd community.

[Sage Truthbearer]

Anyone care to speculate on this? Are we to believe Walder Frey is supposedly so easily butthurt that he had Robb, Katlin, and their entire wedding party murdered for the offense of Robb marrying another. Yet he is just chill with Ramsay killing Lord Bolton, Walda, and their baby?

[AzzarTheGod]

That would really sting. But give it another episode or 2. We know we are going to see Walder Frey very soon.

I think everyone is waiting, as the show is not really worth speculating on at this point based on what we have seen so far. I mean the Dothraki didn't get angry enough to rush Dany? That's just another shark jumped. The most angry badass guys in a room and they all scramble with their heads cut off.

I'm waiting for a "redeemer" episode where it feels like GoT again. You know, something where the viewers are not insulted.

[AenorVZ]

Are we to believe Walder Frey is supposedly so easily butthurt that he had Robb, Katlin, and their entire wedding party murdered for the offense of Robb marrying another. Yet he is just chill with Ramsay killing Lord Bolton, Walda, and their baby?

D&D were probably promised winds of winter by now when they signed up for this. They didn't take the gig thinking they'd have to pull seasons 6-8 out of their ass.

I'm waiting for a "redeemer" episode where it feels like GoT again. You know, something where the viewers are not insulted.

God speed and good luck ever seeing that again.

[Bisonzabi]

I tend to agree,after the first pyre was thrown over why did not one of the mighty khal's just leap that little bit of flame and slap her silly :confused:

I'm so unimpressed with this season,it just seems fractured and hastily put together,I'm not even sure we are going to get any WTF moment's which were plentyful reading the books yonder year's ago.

That's because it has officially strayed 100% off from the books. D&D have proven that they are mediocre writers when they are in charge of having to come up with anything from scratch. Not to mention that they're trying to rush everything into one singularity since the series only has two seasons left and not counting whether or not they're full 10 episodes each.

Take a look at Jamie Lancaster. He's devolved back into how he was in the first season, completely taking away any of the character development given to him during Season 2-4.

http://i.imgur.com/H9An8db.png


I'm waiting for a "redeemer" episode where it feels like GoT again. You know, something where the viewers are not insulted.


Nah, the normies out there eat this pile of shit in spoon fulls with glee. I should know, I know plenty of friends and cousins who are just claiming how awesome these past few episodes have been and I'm just stunned since they have been hilariously bad.

[AzzarTheGod]

Nah, the normies out there eat this pile of shit in spoon fulls with glee. I should know, I know plenty of friends and cousins who are just claiming how awesome these past few episodes have been and I'm just stunned since they have been hilariously bad.

Yeah my sample pool is relatively small. Guess I'm out of touch.

I know a guy who quit over the way Ser Loras was portrayed. He lasted a few seasons and when the gay stuff got heavier (The episode where they cut away from an action scene immediately to a frame of Loras naked in bed with his lover) he thumped the books and said the show had sold out to the gay agenda.

I was inclined to agree, on the basis that if being gay was allowed in Martin's world he would have outed him in the books instead of stopping short of anything but a "hint" (very liberal use of the word hint here, I can't recall anything except that Loras was feminine for a knight). Loras on the show is shown only being persecuted by the church. Yet another one of D&D's liberties.

[Sirken]

Who knows what the Mad King would have done? But, Lyanna would have made a sweet war hostage if Aerys could have found her and pried her out of that tower.
well, its also possible that the mad king thought Rhaegar was conspiring against him ;)

I think that's what the King's Guard was there for. Once she gave birth, it was their job to use wilfire to burn the tower down with her inside it, Nissa Nissa style. Ned found her in a bed of blood so he got there just in time to prevent it. He probably found the tower already set up for burning when he arrived. They were just waiting for the baby to be born.
those 3 Kings Guard where there at the request of Rhaegar to protect that baby from Robert (because Robert would have had it killed).

This thread is bombed. 4 episodes in barely any theorycraft. We're officially beyond the pale.
D&D have successfully bus shocked the nerd community.
The problem is that the characters are no longer acting the way they should or saying the things they should. what is there to theory about? Euron will win the kingsmoot, Yara will get the Victarion story and go to Slavers Bay. Ramsay is getting ready to die, possibly in Bastard Bowl. just like every battle on the show, one side will be outnumbered and someone will swoop in to change the outcome (ramsay, jon, baelish). Jaime will lift the siege at Riverrun and will see Brienne (if Sansa is given the LSH story, then Brienne will lure Jaime off to be judge by Sansa), but only after a visit to the quiet isle. Part of the reason i love this show is because i get to see this amazing story on screen, and i no longer feel like its the same amazing story im watching.

Anyone care to speculate on this? Are we to believe Walder Frey is supposedly so easily butthurt that he had Robb, Katlin, and their entire wedding party murdered for the offense of Robb marrying another. Yet he is just chill with Ramsay killing Lord Bolton, Walda, and their baby?
i wouldnt count Walder out yet. we saw trailors with him hosting Lannister soldiers in the same hall as the red wedding. Since the Lannisters are pissy with the Boltons over the whole Sansa thing (remember, The Crown still wants her for "her part" in Joffrey's murder), he could be teaming up with the Lannisters, which would makes things easier still for Sansa to fulfill the LSH role by going after Freys and Lannisters. what will be interesting will be what Brienne decides to do when forced to pick between Jaime and Sansa.

D&D were probably promised winds of winter by now when they signed up for this. They didn't take the gig thinking they'd have to pull seasons 6-8 out of their ass.
maybe they shouldnt have essentially skipped book 4 (aside from the KL stuffs)

[Sirken]

if Tommen dies, who becomes the rightful heir by law?

and lets assume that Dany is out for being a female, and Jon is out for being a bastard, and that Aegon is a fake (if its too hard to assume these things, just pretend they are dead).

who would be king by law, in that situation?

[Shrubwise]

Bran! King o duh northuh!

[Sirken]

Bran! King o duh northuh!

i still have trouble accepting Bran will leave the cave :p

[Safon]

Wouldn't the crown go to the closest kin of the Baratheon ruling line?

Some cousin or something.

[AenorVZ]

those 3 Kings Guard where there at the request of Rhaegar to protect that baby from Robert (because Robert would have had it killed).

Well yeah. I think they had a wet nurse there because Lyanna wasn't supposed to live long enough to nurse the baby herself.

maybe they shouldnt have essentially skipped book 4 (aside from the KL stuffs)

QFT.

[Sirken]

Wouldn't the crown go to the closest kin of the Baratheon ruling line?
Some cousin or something.

i can see why you'd say that. but then i'd ask you to look at the family tree and show me which cousin?

http://i.imgur.com/khODTq7.jpg


Robert's father (Steffon) had no brothers, Renly had no sons, Stannis had no sons, Robert had no legitimate sons.

[Sirken]

Well yeah. I think they had a wet nurse there because Lyanna wasn't supposed to live long enough to nurse the baby herself.

(maybe enter Wylla from stage left?)

we know that Lyanna wasnt alone in that tower from:
"They had found him (Ned) still holding her (Lyanna's) body, silent with grief." — pg. 44

the story we get tells us that the only 3 people still alive were Lyanna, Ned, and Howland. if "they" had found Ned holding Lyanna after she passed, then there's a missing person as "they" implies plural and Howland (based on the info we have) would have been by himself.

the wet nurse theory fits simply because with Lyanna that close to having a baby (Rhaegar's baby no less), you would make sure the wet nurse was in place before Rhaegar rode off to the Trident.

[Sirken]

and side note - did anyone catch the three little words that Baelish said to Robyn Arryn when calling him over to see the falcon? ;)

[holahouze]

if Tommen dies, who becomes the rightful heir by law?

and lets assume that Dany is out for being a female, and Jon is out for being a bastard, and that Aegon is a fake (if its too hard to assume these things, just pretend they are dead).

who would be king by law, in that situation?

Since you included Aegon in question, Captain Obvious says = Stannis.

But i know that's not what you're looking for. I expect all hell will break loose if Tommen dies and Baratheon line officially done for. I'll guess and say the Lannisters make a claim based on 5 or 6 steps back in history -- however much troubled that claim would be. Tommen and Cersei need to do some forward thinking and retire Jamie from the Kingsguard!

[Bisonzabi]

Inc another character assassination.

Watch Tommen become the new Joffrey.

[holahouze]

(maybe enter Wylla from stage left?)

we know that Lyanna wasnt alone in that tower from:


the story we get tells us that the only 3 people still alive were Lyanna, Ned, and Howland. if "they" had found Ned holding Lyanna after she passed, then there's a missing person as "they" implies plural and Howland (based on the info we have) would have been by himself.

the wet nurse theory fits simply because with Lyanna that close to having a baby (Rhaegar's baby no less), you would make sure the wet nurse was in place before Rhaegar rode off to the Trident.

If Rhaegar had his thinking cap on, I'd guess he'd have a midwife for a royal birth. Wylla may have also been a midwife - you don't need a wet nurse unless the pregnancy is truly troubled or the Mother can't nurse or chooses not too. I think they means at least one and maybe more.

[Drayc]

and side note - did anyone catch the three little words that Baelish said to Robyn Arryn when calling him over to see the falcon? ;)

Which ones? I did catch the, "It's time we join the 'Frey'"?

[Sidelle]

Whoa, shit just got real...

Hodor & Summer :( :( :(

[Pokesan]

Which ones? I did catch the, "It's time we join the 'Frey'"?

'come and see'. it's a reference to Robin Arryn's poor eyesight. :)

[Sirken]

so. best episode this season

[Sirken]

'come and see'. it's a reference to Robin Arryn's poor eyesight. :)

its a reference to the pink letter

[Shrubwise]

When the pixie girl did the fire grenade after she died I was like rolleyes.jpg but then the Hodor thing happened and I was like whoa.jpg

[wisenhemier]

I was mildly impressed

[Sidelle]

:D https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eRLRpdzPpwc

[gummab]

Bad is bad.
Hold the door /facepalm.

[Nocsucow]

this has been such a good season

[R Flair]

Hold the door was pretty /facepalm indeed. And really, a temporal paradox? ughh...

Ok so Bran is doing the time traveling tree thing, but then he leaves the tree. He worgs out on Hodor, uses him to both carry himself and yet continues to visit the past with some kind of residual tree magic... and then somehow manages to corrupt Hodor in a causality loop.

fucking awful

[AzzarTheGod]

Hold the door was pretty /facepalm indeed. And really, a temporal paradox? ughh...

Ok so Bran is doing the time traveling tree thing, but then he leaves the tree. He worgs out on Hodor, uses him to both carry himself and yet continues to visit the past with some kind of residual tree magic... and then somehow manages to corrupt Hodor in a causality loop.

fucking awful

Despite any facepalm factor, you should have lowered your expectations by now. I did, and was about halfway through the episode when I said to myself "oh great, minor plotline advances what a fucking waste of one of 15 episodes left in the entire show."

I was in a slump and then bam pleasantly surprised some major plotline advance occurred. I really was on the verge of quitting watching the show live prior to the end of this episode and it was going to go on my stream list.

[Spyder73]

So Sirken,

Looks like one of us will be right and one will be wrong here pretty soon (next season?) – Danny and Jon have both been declared the prince who was promised by high ranking priestesses of light. Melissandres vision of victory at Winterfell is about to come true when Jon retakes Winterfell…but Danny has dragons…and is completely immune to fire…but Jon was resurrected…I still think Danny is the one and not Jon. HBO version will probably have them getting married once Danny retakes Westeros.

I have thought forever that the white walkers would eventually lay a legitimate siege on the wall and that Danny would swoop in with her Dragons and destroy the entire lot of them in a fiery conflagration…but it seems all the more likely now that Bran will handle the white walker problem as it is kind of his war now it seems. He saw how the walkers were made (the flash back where the First Children drove the dragon glass shard into the humans heart)…So I would imagine taking that Shard out is the new mission.

[Daywolf]

A little play on names I take it from last night. Something I find often in leading series (e.g. the walking dead too). In this case, Summer dies, and so begins winter. After all, the white walker army was held up, and now seems to be on the march from here on out and with the death of Summer hehe. Winter is here now.

[AzzarTheGod]

This could turn it around for GoT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8bjvoHOSFs

Best episode so far.

[Bisonzabi]

When the pixie girl did the fire grenade after she died I was like rolleyes.jpg but then the Hodor thing happened and I was like whoa.jpg

Contrived, cringey "I'll take you with me!" Hollywood gernade sacrifice scene (In a fucking fantasy series). And why was the Dire Wolf Summer suicidal, aren't those animals suppose to be smart? He literally just jumped into his death knowing full well he would die despite not a single thing he did stalled or delayed them. Same with Leaf really, she should have just planted the damn thing or try to cause a cave in by placing it on the side instead of suicide. I'm sure she's more useful then the other girl. I got a feeling this was D&D's way of saving a few extra bucks by not having additional CGI in regards to Summer.

Also 'Hold the door' is probably the dumbest piece of writing so far. I dunno, maybe I'm just cynical, but the idea that he was destined to hold a door because Bran warged him in the past is ridiculous and goofy. Time travel paradox in general should not be used in this series, I thought these were just visions.

And let's not forget, the Nightwalkers (Others in the book) were made by the 90's Star Trek costumes. This was the biggest disappointment so far. This fearsome evil race of beings were made by magical plant children. I was hoping they would eventually announce that The Great Other created them. For those who don't know who this god is: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Great_Other A god of darkness, cold, and death would make a lot more sense on so many levels especially since he's suppose to be the enemy of R'hllor, the Lord of Light who Melisandre worships and has been trying to prepare Westeros for the invasion by the Whitewalkers by finding the reborn Azor Ahai.

[Bisonzabi]

A little play on names I take it from last night. Something I find often in leading series (e.g. the walking dead too). In this case, Summer dies, and so begins winter. After all, the white walker army was held up, and now seems to be on the march from here on out and with the death of Summer hehe. Winter is here now.

Who's fucking with my medicine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmc

[Sirken]

Contrived, cringey "I'll take you with me!" Hollywood gernade sacrifice scene (In a fucking fantasy series). And why was the Dire Wolf Summer suicidal, aren't those animals suppose to be smart? He literally just jumped into his death knowing full well he would die despite not a single thing he did stalled or delayed them. Same with Leaf really, she should have just planted the damn thing or try to cause a cave in by placing it on the side instead of suicide. I'm sure she's more useful then the other girl. I got a feeling this was D&D's way of saving a few extra bucks by not having additional CGI in regards to Summer.

Also 'Hold the door' is probably the dumbest piece of writing so far. I dunno, maybe I'm just cynical, but the idea that he was destined to hold a door because Bran warged him in the past is ridiculous and goofy. Time travel paradox in general should not be used in this series, I thought these were just visions.

And let's not forget, the Nightwalkers (Others in the book) were made by the 90's Star Trek costumes. This was the biggest disappointment so far. This fearsome evil race of beings were made by magical plant children. I was hoping they would eventually announce that The Great Other created them. For those who don't know who this god is: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Great_Other A god of darkness, cold, and death would make a lot more sense on so many levels especially since he's suppose to be the enemy of R'hllor, the Lord of Light who Melisandre worships and has been trying to prepare Westeros for the invasion by the Whitewalkers by finding the reborn Azor Ahai.

ok, as for Summer, part of me agrees with the CGI budget theory. but also, while i dont know if the type of death will be the same, i do think Summer will die in the books. same with shaggydog. the "shaggy dog story" (read about it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaggy_dog_story) is a writing tool that actually fits perfectly with the Rickon/Osha/Shaggydog story, and i think GRRM did that to us on purpose. As for Summer, that is just laced in metaphors. Summer is dead and gone, and now Winter is truly coming.

im pretty sure not just Leaf but all the children were wiped out. dumb. However, without Leaf, Hodor, or Summer, Bran and Meera are gonna need help getting back south. i smell a possible Coldhands sighting. (i still think the scene from the season trailer with meera behind a rock and a cloaked man on a horse swinging fire and an other, is depicting Coldhands rescuing Meera and Bran)

"Hold the Door" is canon and straight from the lips of GRRM to the ears of D&D. and if you've ever checked into non Westeros stories by GRRM, most of them are straight up science fiction (ie: not fantasy), and have dealt with tons of things including hive minded peoples, collective consciousness, and time paradoxes. so if you hate it blame GRRM, but it actually fits really really well.

and let me stop you right there. they are called Whitewalkers or Others, and Wights are the corpses they reanimate. im not sure why you assumed they were created by the great other. theres a been a fan theory for ~5years now that the Others were created by the children, i just never subscribed to it. as for the gods, i dont believe the gods of westeros exist. every act of god we see can be explained via magic or alchemy (minus Beric and Jon getting rezzed. i cant explain that, unless its just super magic). i was always hoping the Others had a home, and a culture, and things that mattered to them. now it seems like they are just simply "evil" for the sake of being evil. and thats more Lord of the Rings'ish than it is Game of Thrones'ish. as for the costumes, i dont care. they have done such an amazing job on this show's costumes that ill give them the mulligan for screwing up the walkers, especially since they wear armor thats made of ice in the book.

going back to the gods. the great other, the lord of light, the 7, the old gods, the many face god, the drowned god, etc. how are those any different than Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Scientology, Mormonism?

if anything, Dragons are the closest things we have to gods (note im not calling them gods, im saying the closest thing to them). when the dragons all died magic was all but extinguished from the known world. and after the Dragons are reborn, magic returns. people can be clicky rezzed, glass candles are burning again, red priests become stronger again, and the maesters all start freaking out again.

[Bisonzabi]

Summer's death could have been better and so could have Leaf's. And did GRRM officially confirm it was his idea for "Hold the Door"? I know he use to do a lot of sci-fi including if I'm not mistaken things for Marvel comics in the 80's or w/e. But timeparadox and the origin of Hordor's Hordor is stupid so yeah I'll blame GRRM if both of those plot ideas were his.

No, I never said they were, I hoped that it would eventually become official. I do like the idea of gods playing a role indirectly and personally magic like reviving or reanimating the dead has to come from 'somewhere' in terms of why people can harness those abilities. Whitewalkers should have their own culture but to be tied to the god somehow in terms of who they worship perhaps? The costume thing was just a snark comment, they're good costumes really. But yeah WW's look too evil and monstrous, but maybe that was on purpose to deceive the audience.

I just read this, it's pretty good:
https://comeonhitme.wordpress.com/2013/07/31/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-will-lead-the-army-of-white-walkers-against-daenerys-targaryen-and-her-dragons/

[gummab]

some watcher's review about the last episode i had a chuckle at.

"Oh my days this ending was one of the most harrowing things, it was something that i think is soooo brave in this world we have to keep characters on, but hey they killed half the stark family, the sacrifices wow. Im loving this no nonesense sansa i would of loved to of seen her do something to little finger, i do hope that dany starts to get back on the road and sort out this whole thing shes doing at the moment, she has to conquer westoros with help from sansa and the greyjoys, well i hope so anyway. Loved this ep getting more and more crazy and i love it."

[deezy]

if Tommen dies, who becomes the rightful heir by law?

and lets assume that Dany is out for being a female, and Jon is out for being a bastard, and that Aegon is a fake (if its too hard to assume these things, just pretend they are dead).

who would be king by law, in that situation?

Tommen > Myrcella > Gendry

[deezy]

So Sirken,

Looks like one of us will be right and one will be wrong here pretty soon (next season?) – Danny and Jon have both been declared the prince who was promised by high ranking priestesses of light. Melissandres vision of victory at Winterfell is about to come true when Jon retakes Winterfell…but Danny has dragons…and is completely immune to fire…but Jon was resurrected…I still think Danny is the one and not Jon. HBO version will probably have them getting married once Danny retakes Westeros.

I think it is possible both of them could be Azor Ahai. If i remember correctly, the dragon has three heads. Is it possible that it takes Daenerys + Jon + Someone else for whatever Azor Ahai is to become a reality? Or maybe Daenerys and Jon will need sacrifice the other to fullfill the Azor Ahai prophecy? Or maybe they just kill each other and the victor is Azor Ahai.

I'm not totally sure which way it'll all go, but IMO I think they are both Azor Ahai.

[AenorVZ]

This was the biggest disappointment so far.

Quite a statement.

every act of god we see can be explained via magic or alchemy (minus Beric and Jon getting rezzed. i cant explain that, unless its just super magic).

Rez depletes mana unless you have a clickly. How are you not clear on this being a magic spell? =)

Did GRRM officially confirm it was his idea for "Hold the Door"?

Yes. Watch "Behind the Episode" which shows after the credits roll for each episode (i.e. fast forward to the end of the episode on demand or on HBO Go and watch it after the credits). D&D were interviewed and specifically stated that Hold the Door was straight from Martin.

[Bisonzabi]

Lol jesus well GRRM really goofed there.

[Sirken]

Tommen > Myrcella > Gendry
no. Myrcella is a female, Gendry is a bastard. by law neither can inherit the throne. they have literally the exact same issues that Dany & Jon would have.

Rez depletes mana unless you have a clickly. How are you not clear on this being a magic spell? =)
well played :p

Lol jesus well GRRM really goofed there.
how so? other than being extremely sad and tragic, i thought it was pretty great

[Nihilist_santa]

I saw recently that on the big GoT nerd site (westeros.org?) or some shit that someone had predicted the "Hold the door" thing in regards to Hodor back in 2008. Wonder if GRRM decided to work that in? I seriously doubt he intended that from the beginning much like Lucas claims about all the midichlorian shit. I read it on another site but searching for a link I pulled this clickbait site up which mentions the posters prediction.

http://distractify.com/entertainment/2016/05/23/hold-the-door-theory

[Nihilist_santa]

Damn wrong link. http://mashable.com/2016/05/23/fan-predicts-hodor-name-meaning-2008/#L0GvpqHoJEqw

[Spyder73]

#Danny>Jon

[AzzarTheGod]

Lol jesus well GRRM really goofed there.

D&D seemed prepared to dump "Hold the Door" on GRRM. But like Sirks I think some of us are just being too hard on it. I'm willing to cut GRRM some big slack on this one.

Despite having to bash the scene in my own home immediately after it aired due to extreme peer pressure, it was a very powerful scene and the most meaningful plotline advance we have seen, as well as the most red blooded action we have seen. The point is to evoke emotion, and this succeeded in doing so as many of us teared up.

Unless you think knocking a guy off a bridge or the cutting the Dornish Master Plan to ribbons (literally) already fit the bill.

However I can't help but feel now that the show is pressuring GRRM's writing, driving his process. This is the only thing I care about. I think this makes it official that the show is impacting the books.

[JurisDictum]

some watcher's review about the last episode i had a chuckle at.

"Oh my days this ending was one of the most harrowing things, it was something that i think is soooo brave in this world we have to keep characters on, but hey they killed half the stark family, the sacrifices wow. Im loving this no nonesense sansa i would of loved to of seen her do something to little finger, i do hope that dany starts to get back on the road and sort out this whole thing shes doing at the moment, she has to conquer westoros with help from sansa and the greyjoys, well i hope so anyway. Loved this ep getting more and more crazy and i love it."

I like what Sansa is becoming, but I think they are doing a better job in the books. That scene between her and Peter was just weird. It sounded like a modern feminist saying all the things she would want a medieval girl in Sansa's position to say.

I've been toying with the notion that GRRM is responding to pressure to have feminist icons in his books. There are notable differences between the books and the show, and the newer books and older ones regarding this.

[beyondinfin]

Maybe the last episode will make GRRM release a Bran chapter.

[AzzarTheGod]

I like what Sansa is becoming, but I think they are doing a better job in the books. That scene between her and Peter was just weird. It sounded like a modern feminist saying all the things she would want a medieval girl in Sansa's position to say.

I've been toying with the notion that GRRM is responding to pressure to have feminist icons in his books. There are notable differences between the books and the show, and the newer books and older ones regarding this.

Sansa is far from a Mary Sue.

[Patriam1066]

Show sucks

When bran does that to Hodor in the books, I guarantee one of two things (or both):

1. He won't force Hodor to die for a 2 minute head start in a blizzard with Meera pulling his ass on a sled. They are dead in that scene unless Coldhands is right outside and Bran couldn't possibly know that. D&D should've made Hodor's death mean more... GRRM will I imagine

2. We have Bran POV chapters. We're going to possibly see an inner struggle for Bran when he does this. From what we know about Bloodraven, he was a manipulative fuck who wielded extreme power in the Seven Kingdoms. Maybe it was his abilities (being able to see into people's minds/Warg/telepath whatever) that made him slide down a path towards becoming unaware of how manipulative he became. Anyway, I imagine that Bran will struggle with the same thing. The skinchangers we're presented are all shitty people with the exception of Jon and Arya. Maybe bran, like Varamyr and Bloodraven, will be corrupted by his power and killing Hodor will be the point of no return

I'm not gonna lie, I don't like "hold the door" in general but I also think GRRM will do it so much better than D&D. And as I said, Martin makes everything nuanced. We're somewhat seeing that skinchanging isn't necessarily a gift, it's corrupting...

PS: stop killing wolves ass holes wtf

[Patriam1066]

no. Myrcella is a female, Gendry is a bastard. by law neither can inherit the throne. they have literally the exact same issues that Dany & Jon would have

Daughters can't inherit even when a male claimant doesn't exist? You sure?

Also, legally wouldn't it go to a great council? In practical terms, it becomes about the largest army / alliance.

Sansa is gonna be the queen I'm telling y'all Sansa the Great

[AzzarTheGod]

1. He won't force Hodor to die for a 2 minute head start in a blizzard with Meera pulling his ass on a sled. They are dead in that scene unless Coldhands is right outside and Bran couldn't possibly know that. D&D should've made Hodor's death mean more... GRRM will I imagine


100% sure Coldhands is there, so moot point imo. Just no way he isn't right there and nearby charging in on his horse.

[deezy]

no. Myrcella is a female, Gendry is a bastard. by law neither can inherit the throne. they have literally the exact same issues that Dany & Jon would have.
When the line of succession is unclear it is customary for war to clarify the issue.

Sansa is gonna be the queen I'm telling y'all Sansa the Great
I agree, I believe it will be Sansa that ends up sitting upon the iron throne. GRRM tends to use historical events as inspiration for his books. There are noticeable similarities between Sansa and Queen Elizabeth's accession.

[Hoozi]

http://i.imgur.com/aGJXbXs.jpg

[Sirken]

Daughters can't inherit even when a male claimant doesn't exist? You sure?
Also, legally wouldn't it go to a great council? In practical terms, it becomes about the largest army / alliance.
Sansa is gonna be the queen I'm telling y'all Sansa the Great
When the line of succession is unclear it is customary for war to clarify the issue.

i think its pretty well known that Cersei's children are Jaime's. Giving Myrcella no legal claim.

i'm not asking who will end up with it. im just asking who the legal heir would be based on what we know ;)

[Trungep99]

So Sirken, would you consider hosting a GM event that may have something to do with Game of Thrones? or use book plots to create a riddle to help the travelers find clues. Which i know howmuch you love giving this community riddles to find treasure. =)

[deezy]

i think its pretty well known that Cersei's children are Jaime's. Giving Myrcella no legal claim. i'm not asking who will end up with it. im just asking who the legal heir would be based on what we know ;)

Assuming nobody forcefully tries to seize the throne, I believe the person with the strongest claim is Cersei.

There are no more Baratheon's alive if we can trust the TV show to be in line with the books. 150~ years before Robert was born Corwen Baratheon married a woman named Leyne who bore 6 children. Of those children, Elyanna married a Lord named Mathin Lannister. Mathin fathered Jason, who fathered Demon, who fathered Gerold, who fathered Tytos Lannister. Tywin is Tytos' first born.

Of Tywin's children, Jaime is Lord Commander of the Kingsguard making him ineligible. Tyrion is a fugitive, convicted and sentenced to death for regicide. Cersei is next in line. If her gender (or whatever else) prevents her from accession, Lancel is next since Kevan is dead. If Lancel refuses the throne, his brother Martyn Lannister would be next in the line of succession.

On the other hand, if for whatever reason Gendry is legitimized, he would have the strongest claim. (not gonna happen)

[Sirken]

So Sirken, would you consider hosting a GM event that may have something to do with Game of Thrones? or use book plots to create a riddle to help the travelers find clues. Which i know howmuch you love giving this community riddles to find treasure. =)
no probably not. it wouldnt be fair to those that havent read, im not gonna force nerds to the wiki so that after they lose the event, the only thing left for them to do with the info is to post spoilers.



Assuming nobody forcefully tries to seize the throne, I believe the person with the strongest claim is Cersei.
There are no more Baratheon's alive if we can trust the TV show to be in line with the books. 150~ years before Robert was born Corwen Baratheon married a woman named Leyne who bore 6 children. Of those children, Elyanna married a Lord named Mathin Lannister. Mathin fathered Jason, who fathered Demon, who fathered Gerold, who fathered Tytos Lannister. Tywin is Tytos' first born.
Of Tywin's children, Jaime is Lord Commander of the Kingsguard making him ineligible. Tyrion is a fugitive, convicted and sentenced to death for regicide. Cersei is next in line. If her gender (or whatever else) prevents her from accession, Lancel is next since Kevan is dead. If Lancel refuses the throne, his brother Martyn Lannister would be next in the line of succession.
On the other hand, if for whatever reason Gendry is legitimized, he would have the strongest claim. (not gonna happen)
thank you! all Hail King Lancel the First of his Name!

[LGraves]

Best fking episode yet!!! i had a creeper in the eye a few times.

[Pokesan]

why did bran drink blood?

[barrettdc1]

why did bran drink blood?

I think because there was nothing else to drink.

[Pokesan]

I think because there was nothing else to drink.

meera was the one exercising. give meera the blood she needs to replenish her electrolytes.

[barrettdc1]

meera was the one exercising. give meera the blood she needs to replenish her electrolytes.

It's what plants crave.

[gummab]

I give up,this series has no soul.

[AzzarTheGod]

I give up,this series has no soul.

I thought it was an ok episode. its not classic GoT but still worthy of remaining in the watch rotation. I did officially stop watching it live.

the directing and editing is probably adding to the problem. that Frey scene had no lead in, admittedly I cringed at how they are trying to shoehorn the flow of the season in. Video game pacing ala JJ Abrams Star Wars.

Decidedly though I would agree that this season has been aesthetically very very clunky, ugly and probably soulless.

[Sirken]

Best fking episode yet!!! i had a creeper in the eye a few times.
honestly, there's only a few things worth mentioning. seeing the Mad King right at the end of his days was pretty great. it flashes too quickly for me to get a good enough look to see if its the actor playing jaime doing the murder in the flasback, but meh. Also, i was expecting Coldhands to save Meera, not Benjen. this makes me wonder if they are combining Coldhands and Benjen for the show (since watchers know Benjen, but have no idea who Coldhands is), and how Bran's journey south will go (correct me if i'm wrong, but i dont think we are ever given info as to where Coldhands goes after Bran arrives at the cave. and i very very much enjoyed Sam taking his fathers sword. i have no idea who would wield it, but between Heartsbane, Oathkeeper, and Longclaw, thats 3 Valyrian Steel swords in the hands of people that we can easily consider to be "good guys" (ie: Sam, Brienne, Jon)

why did bran drink blood?
it is most likely to represent the "jojen paste" from book 5? that was my thought, just cant see what the point would be in that after Brynden Rivers is dead, Leaf is dead, and they left the cave.

I give up,this series has no soul.
you can definitely see the difference in the things written by GRRM versus things that HBO had to do on their own. hopefully the Dunk & Egg books will be finished before those are turned into a series as well.

[SHOWITME]

sickens me that the fat worthless piece of shit sam is still alive

GRRM wrote sam into the stories to represent himself. fat ugly faggot worthless cunt that will somehow survive the entire story and stay relevant.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Well it looks like Cleganbowel is gonna happen so far. That is gonna be epic

[Lojik]

Well it looks like Cleganbowel is gonna happen so far. That is gonna be epic

Oh shit,hell yeah

[R Flair]

The hound is no match for Mountainstein.

[AzzarTheGod]

Well it looks like Cleganbowel is gonna happen so far. That is gonna be epic

pras. Hound returns to violence one last time, fuck Preston. I knew it was a worthy cause to raise a sword again.

The Sam scenes were gold. Albeit video game cutscene paced, the lead-in shots and the cuts on this season are obnoxious and hard to overlook if you are a premium tv snob.. get that herky jerky feeling a lot lately. Cinematography is in an all-time slump. The choice of opening shots for Sam's dinner were glaring on this issue for me in addition to the Walder Frey sequence.

Finally got to see gilly as the pretty stunner that we know she is, still without makeup, that was nice. With makeup next time please for maximum overload.


GRRM wrote sam into the stories to represent himself. fat ugly faggot worthless cunt that will somehow survive the entire story and stay relevant.

Gave himself the best looking girl on the show too. http://i.imgur.com/Y1Mu7Wy.jpg

pokesan thanks for the season spoiler PM. I never saw it coming

[R Flair]

Think I was the most disappointed with the Dany scene where she was rallying the dothraki troops and most of the shots looked like they were just a handful of dudes. 1000 ships? Try a dozen or so for them and the horses. The scene should of felt epic, instead it was like a bunch of guys cheering in a sports bar.
http://i.imgur.com/51W8emP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tVlzZui.jpg

What happened to stuff like this?
http://i.imgur.com/934qSxm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tTUTNkf.jpg

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Think I was the most disappointed with the Dany scene where she was rallying the dothraki troops and most of the shots looked like they were just a handful of dudes. 1000 ships? Try a dozen or so for them and the horses. The scene should of felt epic, instead it was like a bunch of guys cheering in a sports bar.
http://i.imgur.com/51W8emP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tVlzZui.jpg

What happened to stuff like this?
http://i.imgur.com/934qSxm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tTUTNkf.jpg

Budget cuts bro. It's much more affordable to hire 12 sports bar men than CGI coding of a 1,000 soldiers. Damn boy everybody know that.

[AzzarTheGod]

Budgets tend to get slashed more and more the later you go into a series. GoT is in its final seasons with a set end date. HBO always tightens the budgets up when there's an end in sight.

All the money went to the non-CGI Tyrell army suits and extras w/ choreography.

[Sirken]

Bran's story has gotten much better. i was worried he'd be stuck in the cave forever, and aside from maybe warging a dragon, would be useless in the future. so im very happy hes out of that cave. i'm just worried that whatever let the Night King into the cave, will also now allow him to pass the wall. the Benjen reveal i guessed from a trailer before the season started (which is interesting because now i think the show is merging benjen with another character they cut from the show). also, i loved all the bran flashbacks imagery. they showed what was in the tower in a flash, as well as all the last moments of the Mad King and the moments immediately following him being killed by Jaime in an effort to save everyone from being burned in Kings Landing.

Arya is in a ton of trouble. but she always rebels against everything, and i refused to believe shed just give up and accept her fate as a faceless man. i imagine she'll kill that other girl, and will have to escape from the house of black and white before heading back to westeros. i also love the play that arya is watching. its such a true representation of actual history insofar as the winners get to write history. so Ned and Tyrion are super bad people, Cersei and Joffrey are super good people, etc.

i love that Sam took that sword. between that sword (Heartsbane) and Brienne's sword (Oathkeeper), and Jon's sword (Longclaw), theres now 3 valyrian steel swords in the hands of the good guys ;) . but short of that, i have no idea what hes gonna do with Gilly, the Citadel has a hard "no girls allowed" policy. his father is an absolute dick, and has always been an absolute dick.

Margaery im pretty sure is just playing along and pretending to drink the koolaid to save her brother Loras. what worries me a lot is that Tommen seems to legit be drinking it, he replaced his kingsguard with members of the church and supporters of the high sparrow. (ie: not Lannister supporters). also, when Jaime tells the sparrow that Margaery will not be making that walk, Margaery has this smirk on her face.

Jaime is getting sent to Riverrun to deal with the Blackfish, and last week Sansa sent Brienne to Riverrun to try and recruit the Blackfish. so it will be super interesting to see what happens when Jaime and Brienne cross paths considering they will be on opposite sides of the conflict. i really dont want either of them to die, but i think that one of them will. i also dont think Jaime and Cersei will ever see each other alive again. and i think its possible that Brienne will bring Jaime to Sansa, similar to the way we are led to believe Brienne is bringing Jaime to see Stoneheart in Book 4.

as for Cersei, her confidence worries me. her frankenstein monster is not invincible and i dont think she realizes that. should the mountain die with Jaime not in Kings Landing, Cersei is fucked. if she loses the trial by combat, she will be executed by the faith. if we get Clegane Bowl, it will be purely fan service. Sandor is still wounded, and The Hound persona is "dead and at rest".

Walder Frey is back. fuck Walder Frey. im thinking those two freys are going to end up in a meat pie ;)

as for Dany, she needs a thousand ships right? and Yara just like the iron islands with all the ships right? in the trailer before the season started we see Yara with a woman straddling her lap as they're making out, the woman has a small tattoo under her eye, and its the same tattoo that the slave prostitutes of Essos have, meaning that Yara will be in Essos, and Yara will ultimately be the reason (and the way) that Dany can take her dothraki, unsullied, seconds sons, and any other supporters with her to Westeros.

and then all the previews look super exciting. i think episodes 7-10 are just going to be action packed (at least i can hope)

ps- i dont think the dragons will die, i think she will die. maybe 1 dragon. but i heard a video saying this and i think i agree with it; "Dany is a mythical character. she has no place in a non mythical world."
as for being fireproof, in the books Dany (and all targs) are simply not fire proof in the book. many Targs have thought they were fire proof, and they all usually end up dead from doing something really stupid involving fire and the belief it can not hurt them, or they were at Summerhall when it burned down. in season 1 Dany didnt burn because there was blood magic in play, among other things (we know that from books 1 & 4). as for what happened in the show last week, i have no idea if thats canon, or just HBO being bat shit crazy fan boys.

i assure you Margaery does not actually believe any of the shit she was saying to Tommen or to the sparrow. that is all a ruse to protect her brother and get them both out of there. (in the book, Loras is never arrested or remotely involved in the story with the sparrow, so im speculating). but Margaery is one of the smartest, most cunning characters in the story. they arent going to break her that easy.

as for the sparrow, i dont trust him. hes told two completely different stories now regarding why hes barefoot (one to Cersei, and one to Margaery). hes also accumulating, which is not something a person would do if they believed all the shit he says. the sparrow has an agenda, and other than gaining power for him and the church, i have no idea what he wants. but hes 100% up to something and not being completely honest about it.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Bran's story has gotten much better. i was worried he'd be stuck in the cave forever, and aside from maybe warging a dragon, would be useless in the future. so im very happy hes out of that cave. i'm just worried that whatever let the Night King into the cave, will also now allow him to pass the wall. the Benjen reveal i guessed from a trailer before the season started (which is interesting because now i think the show is merging benjen with another character they cut from the show). also, i loved all the bran flashbacks imagery. they showed what was in the tower in a flash, as well as all the last moments of the Mad King and the moments immediately following him being killed by Jaime in an effort to save everyone from being burned in Kings Landing.

Arya is in a ton of trouble. but she always rebels against everything, and i refused to believe shed just give up and accept her fate as a faceless man. i imagine she'll kill that other girl, and will have to escape from the house of black and white before heading back to westeros. i also love the play that arya is watching. its such a true representation of actual history insofar as the winners get to write history. so Ned and Tyrion are super bad people, Cersei and Joffrey are super good people, etc.

i love that Sam took that sword. between that sword (Heartsbane) and Brienne's sword (Oathkeeper), and Jon's sword (Longclaw), theres now 3 valyrian steel swords in the hands of the good guys ;) . but short of that, i have no idea what hes gonna do with Gilly, the Citadel has a hard "no girls allowed" policy. his father is an absolute dick, and has always been an absolute dick.

Margaery im pretty sure is just playing along and pretending to drink the koolaid to save her brother Loras. what worries me a lot is that Tommen seems to legit be drinking it, he replaced his kingsguard with members of the church and supporters of the high sparrow. (ie: not Lannister supporters). also, when Jaime tells the sparrow that Margaery will not be making that walk, Margaery has this smirk on her face.

Jaime is getting sent to Riverrun to deal with the Blackfish, and last week Sansa sent Brienne to Riverrun to try and recruit the Blackfish. so it will be super interesting to see what happens when Jaime and Brienne cross paths considering they will be on opposite sides of the conflict. i really dont want either of them to die, but i think that one of them will. i also dont think Jaime and Cersei will ever see each other alive again. and i think its possible that Brienne will bring Jaime to Sansa, similar to the way we are led to believe Brienne is bringing Jaime to see Stoneheart in Book 4.

as for Cersei, her confidence worries me. her frankenstein monster is not invincible and i dont think she realizes that. should the mountain die with Jaime not in Kings Landing, Cersei is fucked. if she loses the trial by combat, she will be executed by the faith. if we get Clegane Bowl, it will be purely fan service. Sandor is still wounded, and The Hound persona is "dead and at rest".

Walder Frey is back. fuck Walder Frey. im thinking those two freys are going to end up in a meat pie ;)

as for Dany, she needs a thousand ships right? and Yara just like the iron islands with all the ships right? in the trailer before the season started we see Yara with a woman straddling her lap as they're making out, the woman has a small tattoo under her eye, and its the same tattoo that the slave prostitutes of Essos have, meaning that Yara will be in Essos, and Yara will ultimately be the reason (and the way) that Dany can take her dothraki, unsullied, seconds sons, and any other supporters with her to Westeros.

and then all the previews look super exciting. i think episodes 7-10 are just going to be action packed (at least i can hope)

ps- i dont think the dragons will die, i think she will die. maybe 1 dragon. but i heard a video saying this and i think i agree with it; "Dany is a mythical character. she has no place in a non mythical world."
as for being fireproof, in the books Dany (and all targs) are simply not fire proof in the book. many Targs have thought they were fire proof, and they all usually end up dead from doing something really stupid involving fire and the belief it can not hurt them, or they were at Summerhall when it burned down. in season 1 Dany didnt burn because there was blood magic in play, among other things (we know that from books 1 & 4). as for what happened in the show last week, i have no idea if thats canon, or just HBO being bat shit crazy fan boys.

i assure you Margaery does not actually believe any of the shit she was saying to Tommen or to the sparrow. that is all a ruse to protect her brother and get them both out of there. (in the book, Loras is never arrested or remotely involved in the story with the sparrow, so im speculating). but Margaery is one of the smartest, most cunning characters in the story. they arent going to break her that easy.

as for the sparrow, i dont trust him. hes told two completely different stories now regarding why hes barefoot (one to Cersei, and one to Margaery). hes also accumulating, which is not something a person would do if they believed all the shit he says. the sparrow has an agenda, and other than gaining power for him and the church, i have no idea what he wants. but hes 100% up to something and not being completely honest about it.

Damn Sirk you don't fu(k around

[AenorVZ]

Damn Sirk you don't fu(k around

Sirken was feeling some kind of way about that episode.

[AzzarTheGod]

I appreciated sirks refocusing.

[LGraves]

I totally didn't think about Brienne and Jaime being reuninted in that fashion. Really good point there.

[AenorVZ]

I think the intro is Preston's way of saying that this whole season has been like taking it up the ass from a boar tusk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btMfDxCR9e8

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I think the intro is Preston's way of saying that this whole season has been like taking it up the ass from a boar tusk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btMfDxCR9e8

I wasn't intrigued to read anymore of the books , but after hearing so much commentary from various sources. I will end up buying the books and reading. It sounds HBO has really fucked up a great series... Damn shame , because the actors are absolutely wonderful. Peter Dinklage is the man

[barrettdc1]

In the after the thrones segment one of the show-runners says "Coldhands Benjen" so yea, I think they are combining the two.

[Uuruk]

Well it looks like Cleganbowel is gonna happen so far. That is gonna be epic

Naw, the Reddit spoilers that have pretty much spoiled everything up until this point doesn't have this.

[Uuruk]

Alright, can't wait til cersei dies this season. Hate that bitch.

[Uuruk]

dick move dude.

now there is almost no point having the HBO app installed on my PlayStation 4 and I already had to choose it over the fallout 4 dlc to fit on the 128gb drive

What's a dick move?

[Sage Truthbearer]

Think I was the most disappointed with the Dany scene where she was rallying the dothraki troops and most of the shots looked like they were just a handful of dudes. 1000 ships? Try a dozen or so for them and the horses. The scene should of felt epic, instead it was like a bunch of guys cheering in a sports bar.
http://i.imgur.com/51W8emP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tVlzZui.jpg

What happened to stuff like this?
http://i.imgur.com/934qSxm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tTUTNkf.jpg

The problem is not the effects but that the levity of the speech is completely flat.

How many times have we already seen Dany giving a battle-speech like this? It has to be at least six or seven.. How many times have we seen Arya in a training montage of some kind?

Both of their story lines need a shot in the arm.

[Spyder73]

The problem is not the effects but that the levity of the speech is completely flat.

How many times have we already seen Dany giving a battle-speech like this? It has to be at least six or seven.. How many times have we seen Arya in a training montage of some kind?

Both of their story lines need a shot in the arm.

Aryas makes sense though - it takes time to become a world renowned assassin and she isn't even there yet. W/O the training taking a long time it would be really unconvincing that Arya is now a bad ass. I would love it if they end Aryas story with her disappearing into the sunset back to Westeros and then her list starts getting shorter and shorter w/o actually showing any of it...kind of like you know she is out there doing it but only hear stories about the deaths.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Aryas makes sense though - it takes time to become a world renowned assassin and she isn't even there yet. W/O the training taking a long time it would be really unconvincing that Arya is now a bad ass. I would love it if they end Aryas story with her disappearing into the sunset back to Westeros and then her list starts getting shorter and shorter w/o actually showing any of it...kind of like you know she is out there doing it but only hear stories about the deaths.

Arya will kill Sally. The red god will accept that life instead of hers. Jaqen will than salute Arya and say you chose right.

[AzzarTheGod]

The problem is not the effects but that the levity of the speech is completely flat.

How many times have we already seen Dany giving a battle-speech like this? It has to be at least six or seven.. How many times have we seen Arya in a training montage of some kind?

Both of their story lines need a shot in the arm.

Spot on here. I believe the shot in the arm may end up being Danys death.

[deezy]

I'm getting the feeling Dany will fight Jon after she makes her way to Westeros. Maybe Dany is the antagonist of this whole thing?

[Sidelle]

Hello, fellow GoT book nerds. Winds of Winter spoiler. I like it. :)
Brienne the Beauty descends from Ser Duncan the Tall. Also, it seems that GRRM will be writing more Dunk & Egg books in the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-JkAJ8UGcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-JkAJ8UGcA)

If this news was already posted, sorry. In a hurry, did not read posts from the last few days.

[Sidelle]

I'm getting the feeling Dany will fight Jon after she makes her way to Westeros. Maybe Dany is the antagonist of this whole thing?
What makes you think she would fight Jon? The truth about the Tower of Joy (if R+L=J) will come out, Jon will find out about Aunt Dany & Tyrion will sort out the undisciplined dragons after he figures out how to train them. Maybe the new Priestess of Rh'llor can help with that. Magic + Dragonbinder? I can't think of how else they'd be able to train them and fly off to Northern Westeros to kick some White Walker ass. And I don't doubt they're going to be essential against the wights even if the Night King and his White Walkers don't seem to mind fire all that much. As we've seen on the show, they die embarrassingly fast when fighting against Valyrian steel and Dragonglass.

I gotta admit, I'm excited about how it's all going to unfold over the last couple seasons. :)

[Villide]

sickens me that the fat worthless piece of shit sam is still alive

GRRM wrote sam into the stories to represent himself. fat ugly faggot worthless cunt that will somehow survive the entire story and stay relevant.
I'm pretty sure Martin sees himself as Tyrion.

[Patriam1066]

I kinda got the sense that Martin kept Sam fat to represent himself as well. That said, I like Sam a lot. Stealing Heartsbane was the best part of this season, other than Randyll going George S Patton on him

[Patriam1066]

I'm getting the feeling Dany will fight Jon after she makes her way to Westeros. Maybe Dany is the antagonist of this whole thing?

I could see this as well. On the show at least, she's seeming pretty blood thirsty. And she's coming with dragons and a foreign horde. Westeros won't accept that

It really doesn't make sense story wise though for the big battle to not be about Dany + Jon against the long night though

[knix]

Bran has been marked by the NK, so if Bran goes South of the wall the NK will be able to follow? What are your opinions?

[Millburn]

Bran has been marked by the NK, so if Bran goes South of the wall the NK will be able to follow? What are your opinions?

I'm pretty convinced this is exactly how the wall is going to come crashing down.

[holahouze]

I've not been following series closely the past month, so in catch-up mode. Let me say, Bran seemed not to shed a tear about Hodor and Summer. How odd.

Also, I agree Benjen = Coldhands. I don't understand why they didn't use the character as he was used in books. Loved his impact helping Sam's & Bran's journeys. They wouldn't have made it without him.

[Sirken]

Hello, fellow GoT book nerds. Winds of Winter spoiler. I like it. :)
Brienne the Beauty descends from Ser Duncan the Tall. Also, it seems that GRRM will be writing more Dunk & Egg books in the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-JkAJ8UGcA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-JkAJ8UGcA)

If this news was already posted, sorry. In a hurry, did not read posts from the last few days.


this i suspected from the shield with Duncan's sigil in Tarth. but i'm really glad it was confirmed. will make the next D&E book more exciting. especially when Duncan meets that special someone. i imagine Duncan would be her grandfather. i wonder though, is Duncan related to her on her mom's side, or her dad's side.

[Sirken]

I'm pretty sure Martin sees himself as Tyrion.
GRRM has said he sees himself as Sam. Tyrion is just his favorite ;)


Bran has been marked by the NK, so if Bran goes South of the wall the NK will be able to follow? What are your opinions?
i think yes :(


I've not been following series closely the past month, so in catch-up mode. Let me say, Bran seemed not to shed a tear about Hodor and Summer. How odd.
Also, I agree Benjen = Coldhands. I don't understand why they didn't use the character as he was used in books. Loved his impact helping Sam's & Bran's journeys. They wouldn't have made it without him.
years ago, in reference to the book, GRRM said Benjen was not Coldhands. so unless that changed, this is just D&D merging the characters.

[Alarti0001]

GRRM has said he sees himself as Sam. Tyrion is just his favorite ;)



i think yes :(



years ago, in reference to the book, GRRM said Benjen was not Coldhands. so unless that changed, this is just D&D merging the characters.

Or he could just be sly saying that now that he is coldhands which is a dead thing he is no longer Benjen.

[Pokesan]

did he deny benjen=coldhands other than to his editor?

there's room to lawyer here :D

http://i.imgur.com/nztkegM.jpg

[Sirken]

Or he could just be sly saying that now that he is coldhands which is a dead thing he is no longer Benjen.

coldhands has been around longer than the 3 years that benjen has been missing as per Leaf

[Sirken]

did he deny benjen=coldhands other than to his editor?

there's room to lawyer here :D

http://i.imgur.com/nztkegM.jpg

lawyer it to me :p

[Alarti0001]

coldhands has been around longer than the 3 years that benjen has been missing as per Leaf

Ooo whats the quote?

[LGraves]

I could have sworn that I saw this like a year ago, with how he denied that it was Benjen.

Haven't read the books, but I do a lot of wiki searching on characters. I think it's cheezy if or when they combine characters.

[Patriam1066]

Bran has been marked by the NK, so if Bran goes South of the wall the NK will be able to follow? What are your opinions?

https://youtu.be/TYpXxRWHLNs

[holahouze]

Anybody catch latest book reading last weekend? Damphair chapter involving Euron. Augurs pretty serious turn. Check it out.

[Sirken]

Anybody catch latest book reading last weekend? Damphair chapter involving Euron. Augurs pretty serious turn. Check it out.

ive actually been trying to avoid the sample chapters after reading a Baristan and a Theon and a Arya/Mercy chapters. i dont wanna ruin the book for myself. and im still hoping we'll get book 6.

book 7, not so sure on.

[Daywolf]

I heard jauffre dies
You mean Martin Septim? Yeah the nasty nasty orcses got him.
Sean made GoT season 1 the best, anyway. He's a great actor imo.
The guy who played Jauffre died though, couple years ago...
Ohhh you mean Joffrey! ;)
Nah he didn't die, he was put out of his miserable existence :D
Me thinks he would have had like 17 toes too if not a [trigger warning] fictional character..

[holahouze]

ive actually been trying to avoid the sample chapters after reading a Baristan and a Theon and a Arya/Mercy chapters. i dont wanna ruin the book for myself. and im still hoping we'll get book 6.

book 7, not so sure on.

Wondered why there hadn't been some reaction posted here. Won't spoil it then. #hardcore

[knix]

I've actually been trying to avoid the sample chapters after reading a Baristan and a Theon and a Arya/Mercy chapters. I don't wanna ruin the book for myself. and I'm still hoping we'll get book 6.
book 7, not so sure on.
Then you should not watch any more of the HBO Series. They are some spoilers there too. Sirks, what do you think about the NK marking Bran do you think that will be a book thing too?

[Sidelle]

Bran has been marked by the NK, so if Bran goes South of the wall the NK will be able to follow? What are your opinions?
Magic 8-Ball sez "You may rely on it." :)

[xKoopa]

62 men.. lol

pretty good episode though

[Fael]

Arya scene was dumb. All that training and she just struts around bravos all happy go lucky when she is running from world class assassins...

This same person who is Expert at escape and evasion at this point..

[Pokesan]

bad episode - filler. nothing happened except arya and that was pretty small.

[Shrubwise]

#TeamHound

Damn that ending got me pumped

[Robbintha Hood]

bad episode - filler. nothing happened except arya and that was pretty small.

Yep.

[AzzarTheGod]

Preston interpretations of GRRMs direction and opinions on violence were possibly debunked wholesale finally.

I've argued my entire life for the institution of violence, and it's extreme necessity and need.

This was a great moment for me.

#TeamHound

Suck it Preston

[AenorVZ]

seek help

We're his therapy.

Magic 8-Ball sez "You may rely on it." :)

:D:D:D

[AenorVZ]

Preston interpretations of GRRMs direction and opinions on violence were possibly debunked wholesale finally.

I've argued my entire life for the institution of violence, and it's extreme necessity and need.

This was a great moment for me.

#TeamHound

Suck it Preston

I haven't seen the last two episodes but I don't care about spoilers. Can you explain further?

EDIT:

LOL this nerd posted on Preston's last video (Episode 6 Serious Q&A):

"Hey Preston, how do you feel about CLEGANEBOWL BEING FUCKING CONFIRMED"

Then I found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgXBYXfhgSY

[AzzarTheGod]

I haven't seen the last two episodes but I don't care about spoilers. Can you explain further?

EDIT:

LOL this nerd posted on Preston's last video (Episode 6 Serious Q&A):

"Hey Preston, how do you feel about CLEGANEBOWL BEING FUCKING CONFIRMED"

Then I found this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgXBYXfhgSY


Smiling hard.

[ducktv]

https://i.imgur.com/SjKN9kL.jpg

[holahouze]

Smiling hard.

Me too! Hard upvote.

[holahouze]

Old news, but, re: last week's episode = what are the odds Bran encounters Hodor and Summer again?

[AenorVZ]

https://i.imgur.com/SjKN9kL.jpg

Gold.

Old news, but, re: last week's episode = what are the odds Bran encounters Hodor and Summer again?

In the afterlife?

[AenorVZ]

I'm actually enjoying all the analysis (Preston, Charlie) of the last episode and everybody's reactions to the last two episodes more than I enjoy actually watching the episodes. Lesson learned: don't actually watch Game of Thrones, just watch people react to it.

[Shrubwise]

I'm actually enjoying all the analysis (Preston, Charlie) of the last episode and everybody's reactions to the last two episodes more than I enjoy actually watching the episodes. Lesson learned: don't actually watch Game of Thrones, just watch people react to it.

Seriously. This season is noticably different, I'll admit. But the "wah-wahs" coming from the internet are golden. Especially all these folks after each episode posting "Blah, filler, /wrist".

Yeah, last episode was a filler. But stuff happened. The fucking episode opened with the Hound being not dead. That's a big play. The Starks decided to move on Winterfell. That's a big play. Arya got fucking seppuku'd. That's a big play.

Haters goin'a hate.

[holahouze]

Gold.



In the afterlife?

We have to assume Bran hasn't seen his last WW/wight.

Awesome pics/captions!

[Chaboo_Cleric]

The hound is back. That's the most important thing. Oh and Theon's sister is a lesbo... Sexyyy

[gummab]

Seriously. This season is noticably different, I'll admit. But the "wah-wahs" coming from the internet are golden. Especially all these folks after each episode posting "Blah, filler, /wrist".

Yeah, last episode was a filler. But stuff happened. The fucking episode opened with the Hound being not dead. That's a big play. The Starks decided to move on Winterfell. That's a big play. Arya got fucking seppuku'd. That's a big play.

Haters goin'a hate.

I would not go so far as to /wrist over a program even if it's the best series ever(bar 5&6.)But it has been utter shite this season and these big plays are nothing but filling in an over-cooked pie,there was no drama,suspense leading upto any of these so called big plays>Something which made the earlier series so good.

I was all for Sandor coming back my second fav character in the show,but the way they brought him back was just meh,and the storyline following on from that has been done to death.

[Uuruk]

Who is ready for Lady Stoneheart?

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I love you

[barrettdc1]

My ***** THE HOUND is BACK

[India]

Couple of interesting theories regarding Arya and why she let herself be stabbed

http://time.com/4358639/game-of-thrones-arya-stark-the-waif-theory/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/06/06/game-of-thrones-could-arya-and-the-waif-be-the-same-person/

[Sirken]

Then you should not watch any more of the HBO Series. They are some spoilers there too. Sirks, what do you think about the NK marking Bran do you think that will be a book thing too?
the writers of hbo dont even compare to GRRM. the dialog and plots are worlds better. not to mention, the show has cut at least a third of the story out. as for bran being marked by a whitewalker, i do think that will be a book thing. and im ok with main things being spoiled, because while it will surely spoil the main things of the book, they won't spoil most of the overall story, and honestly we could all be dead before seeing book 7.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

the writers of hbo dont even compare to GRRM. the dialog and plots are worlds better. not to mention, the show has cut at least a third of the story out. as for bran being marked by a whitewalker, i do think that will be a book thing. and im ok with main things being spoiled, because while it will surely spoil the main things of the book, they won't spoil most of the overall story, and honestly we could all be dead before seeing book 7.

But what you think about Theons sister sucking titties??? I think she's fine..

[holahouze]

I have my suspicions that Arya was that stupid to let herself get jumped like that. She's definitely got something planned.

If you meant "not" that stupid, i agree. I think she knows she'll have to face HB&W consequences and her demeanor and actions were planned - exit strategy.

[barrettdc1]

But what you think about Theons sister sucking titties??? I think she's fine..

I died when she says to Theon, "so what if you ve had a bad couple of years?" And he is just like A BAD COUPLE OF YEARS?! ***** had his dick cut off.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I died when she says to Theon, "so what if you ve had a bad couple of years?" And he is just like A BAD COUPLE OF YEARS?! ***** had his dick cut off.

haha hell ya. I just think his sister could take beating... her butch-ness comes off as sexy to me kinda like the singer Pink.

[AzzarTheGod]

Couple of interesting theories regarding Arya and why she let herself be stabbed

http://time.com/4358639/game-of-thrones-arya-stark-the-waif-theory/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2016/06/06/game-of-thrones-could-arya-and-the-waif-be-the-same-person/

This is legitimate.

[AenorVZ]

Shrub is wise. Complaining about Jon bringing longclaw to bear island was a Sirkenesqe nitpick. 😂

[Patriam1066]

The bigger problem is that Lady mormont, a ten year old, is a way better actor than the mannequin playing Jon Snow

I've liked the last two episodes though so I can't complain much. We're getting closer to book plots, thank God

PS: wtf is going on with arya. I don't think that was her but then again I don't understand what the hell is going on in bravos

[Sidelle]

I died when she says to Theon, "so what if you ve had a bad couple of years?" And he is just like A BAD COUPLE OF YEARS?! ***** had his dick cut off.
HAHAHA! Reminds me of this funny old meme...

http://i.imgur.com/nI346Sn.jpg

[Sidelle]

Am I crazy or is Selyse Baratheon playing an extra in the current season (standing behind Arya watching the play)? Left photo season 5. Right photo season 6.

http://i.imgur.com/ZPvGE71.jpg http://i.imgur.com/i0S6jXh.jpg

[AenorVZ]

Nice catch!

[Spyder73]

PS: wtf is going on with arya. I don't think that was her but then again I don't understand what the hell is going on in bravos

Thank god someone else thinks this whole Arya thing is dumb as sh!t. She got her throat slit and then stabbed multiple times - in a show that typically has some nice realism to it (to a point....dragons...ect..) this is jumping the shark. So now Arya is wandering through Bravos bleeding out and we are all supposed to just believe thats how it would go down.

Arya isnt going to die - and I really wish they made her getting jumped a bit more realistic...because the way they showed it, she is dead (and she wont be). My wish for the show is to see Arya slit Cersies throat and then the screen goes black Sopranos style and the series is over.

[Vharvest]

Yeah, Arya gets stabbed like 10 times in 3 seconds and is just swimming and walking around, that pissed me off too.

[Pokesan]

if the silhouette thing happens i will boo and throw garbage at my tv

[holahouze]

Thank god someone else thinks this whole Arya thing is dumb as sh!t. She got her throat slit and then stabbed multiple times - in a show that typically has some nice realism to it (to a point....dragons...ect..) this is jumping the shark. So now Arya is wandering through Bravos bleeding out and we are all supposed to just believe thats how it would go down.

Arya isnt going to die - and I really wish they made her getting jumped a bit more realistic...because the way they showed it, she is dead (and she wont be). My wish for the show is to see Arya slit Cersies throat and then the screen goes black Sopranos style and the series is over.

This will be the showrunners way of getting Arya out of Bravos. Its just one of a bunch of things going on this year that are questionable. Its like the showrunners are sick of the gig and shoving the story down our throats to get to the end game.

[Pokesan]

they killed the blackfish off screen

yikes

[Pokesan]

*wastes everyones time with the braavos storyline*

*is david benioff*

[Uuruk]

Just waiting on Tommen to jump out of this damn window. Boring as shit.

[Pokesan]

they killed the blackfish off screen

yikes

http://i.imgur.com/d4zS6hl.png

[AzzarTheGod]

heh

[Daywolf]

http://i.imgur.com/KlaEX9s.jpg?1

[AzzarTheGod]

So how about that "Arya" and Braavosi actors guild storyline..

better than Dorn?

Plots aside, this is some of the worst directing I have seen. The cuts and pacing of the episodes have been atrocious and for the first time in several seasons I find myself using my phone/social media during an episode to try to stem the irritation I feel. Emphasis on the cuts being terrible, and when I say cuts I mean cinematography. Is a bad key grip to blame? Key grips take orders from the director, but if the director isn't directing...then yes they are to blame as well.

What ugly cuts...

Its not just the plots that have come undone, its the entire show, and the showrunners are to blame.

I'm a little taken aback right now.

[Sirken]

annnnd they killed clegane bowl ;)

[gummab]

This whole season is a joke.On par with the film Krull,actually Krull might be better...

[Daywolf]

wut? It's the highest rated season (on avg) so far. You watchin the same show as me? Good to watch as I pass the time waiting for Vikings to return, anyway.

[barrettdc1]

This whole season is a joke.On par with the film Krull,actually Krull might be better...

Krull is awesome. I remember watching it as a wee lad and wanting the flying star thingy so bad.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

It'll be interesting what happens to Arya. Seems like the Jaqen has known what her future entails from the start.

[Spyder73]

I have really enjoyed this season…Not sure what some of you wackos are looking for.

And Clegene Bowl not out of the question completely. Would be sweet for The Mountain to be attacking a town or something and then the Band rides in and The Hound faces off with him. Its all still very possible and I think likely

[Uuruk]

I have really enjoyed this season…Not sure what some of you wackos are looking for.

And Clegene Bowl not out of the question completely. Would be sweet for The Mountain to be attacking a town or something and then the Band rides in and The Hound faces off with him. Its all still very possible and I think likely

It's literally not happening. As I mentioned in an earlier post the Reddit spoilers posted before the season even started have everything correct up until last nights episode.

[Spyder73]

It's literally not happening. As I mentioned in an earlier post the Reddit spoilers posted before the season even started have everything correct up until last nights episode.

Im talking for next season, not this season. I have seen the Reddit post you mentioned and its definitely spot on. I am genuinely curious what will happen to Cersie though - I wouldn't be surprised if she kills herself and Jamie goes AWOL

[Uuruk]

Im talking for next season, not this season. I have seen the Reddit post you mentioned and its definitely spot on. I am genuinely curious what will happen to Cersie though - I wouldn't be surprised if she kills herself and Jamie goes AWOL

Oh ok, thought you meant this season

[Spyder73]

Interesting...

http://winteriscoming.net/2016/05/13/game-of-thrones-theorycrafting-who-becomes-king-if-tommen-dies/

[AenorVZ]

actually Krull might be better...

Indeed.

[R Flair]

Season started way slower than it should of considering the possibilities with the Jon Snow storyline. Been shaping up since then though. Think these last episodes will be truly epic and the next season will be unparalleled... like ever.

[holahouze]

Interesting...

http://winteriscoming.net/2016/05/13/game-of-thrones-theorycrafting-who-becomes-king-if-tommen-dies/

Yep. Really, it defies logic that show/book ignore this. That last scene between Cersei and Qyburn - what was that? Mommycide? :eek:

Showrunners have made this interesting -- Jamie's not in Kingsguard anymore.

[Spyder73]

Yep. Really, it defies logic that show/book ignore this. That last scene between Cersei and Qyburn - what was that? Mommycide? :eek:

Showrunners have made this interesting -- Jamie's not in Kingsguard anymore.

I was racking my brain when I saw that interaction also - popular beliefs are she either found the Mad Kings hidden Wildfire stash, or some sort of dirt of the sparrow....or that the sparrow is hording wildfire, IDK - Either way sh!ts going to burn and its going to be glorious.

internet trolls have posted that there is a lot of subtle foreshadowing that its Wildfire. Cersei could burn the plebs out of the city if that was the case.

Maybe the shame of his mom burning down the chrurch makes Tommen jump?

[Spyder73]

I can’t stop going down the GoT worm hole this morning. Since Cersie has obviously lost Tommen and he is essentially giving his own mother a death sentence – WHAT IF…she comes clean during her trial and says Tommen is the son of her and Jamie and not a legitimate heir to the throne…In comes Gentry (Roberts bastard from earlier in the series) to claim the throne…OH! And he has a fiancé, none other the Cersie herself because she got to him first and orchestrated the entire thing. Tommen realizes he is a child of incest and offs himself after being dethroned, Gentry commands the military to wipe the Sparrow from the face of the Westeros, and Cersie resumes her reign as Queen because thats all she really cares about. I don't think she gives a sh!t about the Tyrells at this point

Too much is being taken away from Cersie, she is about to lash out and lash hard. She has been humbled to the point where her character doesn’t make sense anymore unless she has some gran coup in place

[AzzarTheGod]

Can a bastard really make a legit claim in GoT ?

I doubt we'll see a Gendry play. Just seems like a lot for nothing ala Braavos / Arya

And Dorn.

[Chaboo_Cleric]

Where is little Finger!!!@za