ASOIAF / Game of Thrones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[Sirken]

im just gonna say it, this was my least favorite season to watch. felt very similar to the first read through of book 4

[Sirken]

that was a nice jumpcut
ramsay = "evil" for picking off wounded, straggling soldiers.
brienne = "good" yet is executing an immobilized and badly wounded stannis.
getting real tired of brienne's shit personally.
i would rather ramsay kill me on the field, than take me home and torture me :P
brienne is dumb. she has no legal authority to sentence stannis to death. and she swore an oath to find the stark kids, not to kill stannis. i think the wording used by stannis was huge, "do your duty". Brienne's "duty" is not to kill stannis.

I'd vote on him being alive too. Very few instances in GoT have they not shown the details of a kill. Feels like there was a purpose to making it ambiguous otherwise we would have seen his head roll.
i stand by my OP in this thread. Stannis will be the 1000th commander of the nights watch. hes not dead. theres no way they kill stannis without showing it. although, Stannis was also suppose to get his hands on theon (more kings blood) as per the books.

[Sirken]

It’s been a bumpy journey, but the season has ended with many of the key characters where they were (or appeared headed) in the books. A lot of progress packed into the last 3 episodes. If Martin can’t sort out his writing constipation, next season will be a free-for-all.

The storyline of Jon’s assassination is troublesome in-show. And, the lines tossed our way from Thorne, Jon, and Sam do little more than foreshadow his death. If the events of Hardhome do not scare the brothers of NW straight, then they themselves are on shaky ground in protecting the realms of men. This is Harry Potter quality story-telling to me. I was also bothered by the timing of decision to send Sam to Oldtown. This had to be done BEFORE the threat of the Others was understood, because the wall could fall before he even reaches the Citadel. And… no Ghost. I much prefer the warging theory to the Mel resurrection.

Of course, a similar beef could be had with the books. The NW has been ignored by the realms of men for decades, and given the growing threat of the Others, they have to do something different. Forming alliances is one of the few, if only, avenues. I really respected the Jon character for this, but the brothers are blind to it. The NW has needed a proper house-cleaning for some time, and its coming. Perhaps that is the point.

Stannis effectively committed suicide. The storytellers/narrators misled us about him being a great military commander -- out-flanked and out-fought by Tyrion and Ramsay. What a letdown. But they never told us he was intelligent, savvy, or emotionally strong. Wonder what the Iron Bank took as collateral?? What are the odds that Brienne spared him?

I don’t find Cersei’s shame walk all that humiliating. What does she care about small folks’ opinions of her? I will say, that was a whole lot of full frontal from a lead actress.

Guess we’re going to get that war between Dorne and King’s Landing. This makes Doran look like an idiot. I vote for a 1:1 between Cersei and Ellaria – none of this “champion” stuff.

That was a hellacious jump for Sansa and Theon. Where do they go once they dig themselves out of the snow bank??

If you find yourself having some fantasy/magic withdrawal, the BBC has launched Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell. The book was very interesting, and the BBC did a good job with the first episode.

i think book 6 will be out shortly before season 6. i agree with everything u just said about Jon and the NW. im not writing stannis off as a bad military mind until i read the battle in book 6. i have a feeling HBO mucked it up. i think the odds are high that brienne spared him. hes a broken, beaten, unarmed, and possibly dying old man. i really dont see how someone like Brienne could see that as honorable, or as her "duty".

you didnt see Cersei nude. Lena Headey was visibly preggers during part of the filming of Season 5. they CGI'd her face on a body double. google it ;)

[Sirken]

They will try to burn jon as is the ritual and he will not burn. You cannot burn the Dragon.

actually, you absolutely can. just look at Aegon V, or Aerion Targaryen

[Sirken]

The actor portraying Jon said the character is dead in an interview . Yet he is still on location filming.

Fire priestess wasn't shown strolling back to castle black for no reason at all. Gonna rub them ginger titties on some snow and warm him right up.

the character is dead because death changes people, even if rezzed he wouldnt be exactly the same man. Beric was different after each rezz, and Lady Stoneheart was nothing at all like Catelyn after hers.

Jon will be reborn as amongst salt (from the tears of the NW) and smoke (from the blood on the snow) as Azor Azai.

[SHOWITME]

stannis aint dead

[Babam]

"it was the hardest thing i ever had to go through" lol some of these people are way too invested in this show, if i was RR Martin id be hiding for a while before some creep offs me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh3CiPdppWA

[Rararboker]

I thought only certain Targaryen's got the fire proof trait. Sort of like how Danerys was fire proof but her brother wasn't. Or am I wrong on that?

[LoliPops]

i am rustled about the body double
was really impressed at what I thought was Lena Headey's hot body
QQ

https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchItForThePlot/comments/39vb1c/lena_headey_in_game_of_thrones_s05e10/

[Ezalor]

http://i.imgur.com/9fxrLV7.png

[LGraves]

Haha. So is she going to use the mountain to slay all of them?

[holahouze]

i think book 6 will be out shortly before season 6. i agree with everything u just said about Jon and the NW. im not writing stannis off as a bad military mind until i read the battle in book 6. i have a feeling HBO mucked it up. i think the odds are high that brienne spared him. hes a broken, beaten, unarmed, and possibly dying old man. i really dont see how someone like Brienne could see that as honorable, or as her "duty".

you didnt see Cersei nude. Lena Headey was visibly preggers during part of the filming of Season 5. they CGI'd her face on a body double. google it ;)

Thanks for correction re: Cersei. I'm traveling and watched the episode on my phone. Looked real enough - in miniature.

My comments re: Stannis pertain to show Stannis. I expect Book Stannis to show better. Luring the enemy onto a frozen lake pockmarked with fishing holes seems like a shrewd move.

The 2nd thing i thought of when Brienne left her post, missed Sansa's candle, and found Stannis was it was a metaphorical dig by showrunners aimed at GRRM. Seemingly doing something important, but missed the cue and did not deliver when needed. I read the books in summer of 2013 and had the understanding from reading Internet jibber jabber that TWoW was due out any time. I sincerely hope your prediction about 2016 is correct.

[Alenon]

i am rustled about the body double
was really impressed at what I thought was Lena Headey's hot body
QQ

https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchItForThePlot/comments/39vb1c/lena_headey_in_game_of_thrones_s05e10/

If you've watched 300 you've already seen her nude before...

[holahouze]

i would rather ramsay kill me on the field, than take me home and torture me :P
brienne is dumb. she has no legal authority to sentence stannis to death. and she swore an oath to find the stark kids, not to kill stannis. i think the wording used by stannis was huge, "do your duty". Brienne's "duty" is not to kill stannis.


i stand by my OP in this thread. Stannis will be the 1000th commander of the nights watch. hes not dead. theres no way they kill stannis without showing it. although, Stannis was also suppose to get his hands on theon (more kings blood) as per the books.

I like your idea about Stannis as LC. In another world, the Iron Bank owns Dragonstone and Storm's End now, right? In-show, he's broke and broken, i think taking the black could happen easily. Perhaps even penance. In-book, no clue, but i really want him to take a bite out of the Boltons.

Looks like showrunners are planning to have Littlefinger take down the Boltons. That's pretty interesting.

[LoliPops]

If you've watched 300 you've already seen her nude before...

her body 9 years later dolt :rolleyes:

[Alenon]

Touche

[polishanarchy]

http://i.imgur.com/34hkSQW.jpg

I'm really rooting for Jon. And I hope he does get resurrected, I don't really care who he's resurrected as, either.

But even if he isn't brought back in any form, this picture somehow makes everything okay.

[Sirken]

I thought only certain Targaryen's got the fire proof trait. Sort of like how Danerys was fire proof but her brother wasn't. Or am I wrong on that?
oh no. you are 100% correct.

Haha. So is she going to use the mountain to slay all of them?
Frankenmountain, or, Sir Robert Strong. (fun fact: in book 3, Joffrey demands Robb Stark's head be sent to Kings Landing. we know Robb Stark's head was indeed chopped off and replaced with Greywind's head, but we never hear of Robb's head again. its possible that it arrived after Joffrey died and Qyburn scoops it up for his project. Stark in german, roughly translates to strong. hence, Sir Robert Strong)

I like your idea about Stannis as LC. In another world, the Iron Bank owns Dragonstone and Storm's End now, right? In-show, he's broke and broken, i think taking the black could happen easily. Perhaps even penance. In-book, no clue, but i really want him to take a bite out of the Boltons.
Looks like showrunners are planning to have Littlefinger take down the Boltons. That's pretty interesting.
i dont think they own dragonstone or storms end. i think they simply have a promise that Stannis will honor the debt accumulated by King Robert, and King Joffrey. its more of a way for the iron bank to cover all bets, and ensure they get repaid.

[holahouze]

oh no. you are 100% correct.


Frankenmountain, or, Sir Robert Strong. (fun fact: in book 3, Joffrey demands Robb Stark's head be sent to Kings Landing. we know Robb Stark's head was indeed chopped off and replaced with Greywind's head, but we never hear of Robb's head again. its possible that it arrived after Joffrey died and Qyburn scoops it up for his project. Stark in german, roughly translates to strong. hence, Sir Robert Strong)


i dont think they own dragonstone or storms end. i think they simply have a promise that Stannis will honor the debt accumulated by King Robert, and King Joffrey. its more of a way for the iron bank to cover all bets, and ensure they get repaid.

I did mean ANOTHER world, not a world away. It would seem the only collateral or security the IB takes is the threat of overthrow through their chosen stalking horse - and Stannis was the wrong horse. In-book, the Lannisters are attempting to take Dragonstone and Storm's End, I expect the show will do likewise, if they even bother.

I doubt the IB will take on a meaningful role, other than serve as pesky annoyance and a shift in geography for story. But, they're going to take a beating on Stannis debit unless they convince Lannisters to role it onto their ledger. What an insult.

[Ephirith]

Jon's blood? Shaped like a howling wolf:

http://i.imgur.com/2e5Z6hf.jpg

Kit Harrington, "I'd like to be a warg. I'd like to put myself into a wolf."
D&D: "Two words for you. Season six." (https://youtu.be/TfvVluNxujc?t=22m1s)

Jon Snow confirmed for warging into Ghost.

[Patriam1066]

Preston's latest video:
http://youtu.be/TMgUIPvAlLI

I'm not sure if he's on to something, but it's intriguing. I'm fairly convinced in the novels that the children of the forest aren't fighting for humanity.

[Millburn]

Frankenmountain, or, Sir Robert Strong. (fun fact: in book 3, Joffrey demands Robb Stark's head be sent to Kings Landing. we know Robb Stark's head was indeed chopped off and replaced with Greywind's head, but we never hear of Robb's head again. its possible that it arrived after Joffrey died and Qyburn scoops it up for his project. Stark in german, roughly translates to strong. hence, Sir Robert Strong)


Have you looked at robert strongs eyes? I swear to god those eyes behind the helmet look SUPER FAMILIAR. I really do think that this theory is a no brainer, makes too much sense with too much supporting evidence.

[Clark]

Holy cow this thread is huge!

Someone at work finally convinced me to give the show another try. I didn't like the d-bag throwing the kid out the window in one of the early first season episodes when I originally tried it. Going to start season one this summer though, and give it a realistic try. Looks like there is more action for the future than the couple episodes I tried long ago.

[Clark]

Would totally bang the blonde chick. Is she good or bad?

Always have had a thing for blondes.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/03/18/2733B0DA00000578-3021427-_They_braid_my_hair_so_it_s_like_cornrows_then_the y_tie_and_pin_-a-2_1428081673049.jpg

[Deadmantis]

Would totally bang the blonde chick. Is she good or bad?

Always have had a thing for blondes.



That's Daenerys Targaryen, the last of her kind. The Khaleesi, and mother of dragons. Has dragon blood flowing in her veins. She goes for the bad boys. You better be a horselord and own an army or be a crusty hired sellsword to even have a remote shot.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/d9f0cf063bbbc25540bda531651bd8b7/tumblr_n9adpeTuer1r00543o2_r1_500.gif

[holahouze]

[QUOTE=Sirken;1942644]oh no. you are 100% correct.


Frankenmountain, or, Sir Robert Strong. (fun fact: in book 3, Joffrey demands Robb Stark's head be sent to Kings Landing. we know Robb Stark's head was indeed chopped off and replaced with Greywind's head, but we never hear of Robb's head again. its possible that it arrived after Joffrey died and Qyburn scoops it up for his project. Stark in german, roughly translates to strong. hence, Sir Robert Strong)

Sirken, your german is echt stark. Good catch! So, what's next for Sansa & Theon? They get scooped up by Brienne, go on the lam, find a gravedigger...

[Patriam1066]

I don't think they find Brienne. That would actually give her storyline a purpose, and remove Sansa from drama. I doubt it's that easy.

Baelish was moving north. Maybe he goes up, crushes the Boltons, finds Sansa, and the Northern Conspiracy tries to depose Peter in favor of her as Wardeness of the North? Then again, she knows that Bran and Rickon are alive, so who knows....

Ultimately, I think in both the books and the show, she will outmaneuver Baelish, causing his demise. Whenever this happens, she will be in a position to become a major Lord/Lady whatever the fuck you call it. I imagine in the books, however, this will take place either in the Vale or the Riverlands, as her character probably won't be going north any time soon.

[Sirken]

Holy cow this thread is huge! Someone at work finally convinced me to give the show another try. I didn't like the d-bag throwing the kid out the window in one of the early first season episodes when I originally tried it. Going to start season one this summer though, and give it a realistic try. Looks like there is more action for the future than the couple episodes I tried long ago.
hehe, so you watched the pilot episode and bailed when Jaime pushed Bran out the window? if that made you rage quit, i got bad news for you; more bad shit is coming. in this story you dont win just because youre a good guy, and in this story you are not unkillable just because youre a main character. actions have consequences, and if you do dumb shit, youre gonna pay for it, one way or another. and sadly most times, honorable and stupid are in the same.


Sirken, your german is echt stark. Good catch! So, what's next for Sansa & Theon? They get scooped up by Brienne, go on the lam, find a gravedigger...
i have no f'ing idea. they are suppose to get scooped up by Stannis. and then i assumed Stannis would want to kill theon, but Melisandre would save him for later due to that kings blood (Theon was indeed the son of the King of the Iron Isles). i still dont believe Stannis is dead on the show, so we'll see. Sansa's story is fucked. hopefully HBO will just start next season showing that Theon and Sansa went splat and died when they hit the ground. thatd be better than some lame ass rendezvous with Brienne and Pod. and lets not even get me started on how big lengthy non sneaky Brienne walked right up to Stannis without any Bolton nerds noticing her.


I don't think they find Brienne. That would actually give her storyline a purpose, and remove Sansa from drama. I doubt it's that easy.
Baelish was moving north. Maybe he goes up, crushes the Boltons, finds Sansa, and the Northern Conspiracy tries to depose Peter in favor of her as Wardeness of the North? Then again, she knows that Bran and Rickon are alive, so who knows....
Ultimately, I think in both the books and the show, she will outmaneuver Baelish, causing his demise. Whenever this happens, she will be in a position to become a major Lord/Lady whatever the fuck you call it. I imagine in the books, however, this will take place either in the Vale or the Riverlands, as her character probably won't be going north any time soon.
Sansa will ultimately be the undoing of Baelish, i stand by that. fuck it. lets just have Brienne, Pod, Sansa, Theon, Davos, and Melisandre all go to the wall, rezz Jon Snow, add him to the posse, and then the 7 of them go off and save the world with fire and blood and ice and snow and lions and tigers and bears (oh my). this season was just a huge disappointment for me. they completely ruined Dorne, and i cant believe im about to say this, but i truthfully wish they would have just cut Dorne out to do more/better with the other characters. great job HBO on ruining one of the best most in depth aspects of the story.

[heartbrand]

Dorms was awful but I loved the scene with Jaime and myrcella. That is until she (likely) died.

[Fael]

lets just have Brienne, Pod, Sansa, Theon, Davos, and Melisandre all go to the wall, rezz Jon Snow, add him to the posse, and then the 7 of them go off and save the world with fire and blood and ice and snow and lions and tigers and bears (oh my).

Sirk-dog:

I tend to like Melisandre also. I think she has good intentions (though she is evil as fuck), and is generally and all-around bad ass.

I also think she has a lot of blind spots beneath that facade of confidence. She is going to die a nasty death when she makes a mistake and it comes back to bite her in the ass.

I predict she dies in WOW (perhaps in the resurrection of j. snow).

Your thoughts?

[holahouze]

I don't think they find Brienne. That would actually give her storyline a purpose, and remove Sansa from drama. I doubt it's that easy.

Baelish was moving north. Maybe he goes up, crushes the Boltons, finds Sansa, and the Northern Conspiracy tries to depose Peter in favor of her as Wardeness of the North? Then again, she knows that Bran and Rickon are alive, so who knows....

Ultimately, I think in both the books and the show, she will outmaneuver Baelish, causing his demise. Whenever this happens, she will be in a position to become a major Lord/Lady whatever the fuck you call it. I imagine in the books, however, this will take place either in the Vale or the Riverlands, as her character probably won't be going north any time soon.

Brienne is not one of my favorite characters, so my tendency is to wish for some giddyap in her storyline. I think she exists to flesh out other characters, so its been a dreary season for her. And, i can't know what she's going to do with Stannis - fair chance she spared him IMO.

I agree with you, If Baelish is going down, Sansa will be integral player. I tend to think her education from Baelish is not complete, so that could be a convenient escape route.

More to the point of my earlier comment, though, Sansa's next step has to happen really fast IF she is to escape. She and Theon are not prepared for an escape; on foot, in winter, with only the clothes on their backs, and when Ramsay discovers her missing he's is going to loose the hounds.

[derpcake]

Sirk-dog:

I tend to like Melisandre also. I think she has good intentions (though she is evil as fuck), and is generally and all-around bad ass.

I also think she has a lot of blind spots beneath that facade of confidence. She is going to die a nasty death when she makes a mistake and it comes back to bite her in the ass.

I predict she dies in WOW (perhaps in the resurrection of j. snow).

Your thoughts?

I don't think she is evil.

She does things because she believes they will further the cause for the greater good. I'm not aware of her doing evil stuff without proper motivation.

Fanatic or extremist seem more appropriate.

[Sirken]

Dorms was awful but I loved the scene with Jaime and myrcella. That is until she (likely) died.
i knew she was gonna die after that. whenever HBO writes a death, they try to get you more attached to the character first via a couple emotional scenes. they did the same thing with Shireen. it will however be very interesting to see what happens next. the lannisters are no longer in a position to go to war with Dorne. and Tristain is now essentially a Lannister hostage.

I don't think she is evil.
She does things because she believes they will further the cause for the greater good. I'm not aware of her doing evil stuff without proper motivation.
Fanatic or extremist seem more appropriate.
shes evil as fuck, im just not sure that shes aware of it. of all the red priests we've met (Melisandre, Thoros, Moqorro, and Benerro), Mel appears to be the least proficient at her skills. i dont think shes purposely misled Stannis, but i think one of two things happened. either the flames showed her what she needed to see to get her to the wall to meet Jon, or she misinterpreted the visions in the flames and mistook visions of Jon for visions of Stannis. only time will tell exactly which side of the fence the red god is on. but as it stands now, she appears to be against the whitewalkers, i just dont think she cares what price she pays to satisfy her god. (fwiw, remember Mel is from Assai. a lot of people think the red god is super real because they've seen Mel's magic. but Melisandre comes from a land full of supposed dark magic users. its very possible most of her tricks are not acts of the red god, but moreso tricks designed to convert people to their religion. i also dont expect any of the gods to play any role in the battle of ice and fire.)

[Patriam1066]

i knew she was gonna die after that. whenever HBO writes a death, they try to get you more attached to the character first via a couple emotional scenes. they did the same thing with Shireen. it will however be very interesting to see what happens next. the lannisters are no longer in a position to go to war with Dorne. and Tristain is now essentially a Lannister hostage.


shes evil as fuck, im just not sure that shes aware of it. of all the red priests we've met (Melisandre, Thoros, Moqorro, and Benerro), Mel appears to be the least proficient at her skills. i dont think shes purposely misled Stannis, but i think one of two things happened. either the flames showed her what she needed to see to get her to the wall to meet Jon, or she misinterpreted the visions in the flames and mistook visions of Jon for visions of Stannis. only time will tell exactly which side of the fence the red god is on. but as it stands now, she appears to be against the whitewalkers, i just dont think she cares what price she pays to satisfy her god. (fwiw, remember Mel is from Assai. a lot of people think the red god is super real because they've seen Mel's magic. but Melisandre comes from a land full of supposed dark magic users. its very possible most of her tricks are not acts of the red god, but moreso tricks designed to convert people to their religion. i also dont expect any of the gods to play any role in the battle of ice and fire.)

Randall Tarly will be in next season, so the crown is going to war. I'm assuming since Kevan is back in KL, he will sort out this shit with the Sparrows and get Loras released. Or at least show some actual contrition towards the queen of thorns such that she feels satisfied enough with the lannister alliance to aid them in their war. I would think this war would be in Dorne, but since a pirate is being casted for season 6, maybe Euron will attack. I really don't know. Tristane complicates things.

Thoros seems good, melisandre seems evil. I do agree with you though, I'm not sure the gods are real. If they are, R'hllor and the Great Other are likely part of a cosmic balance, rather than simply good or evil, respectively.

[Bigtokes]

I like her tits though.

[citizen1080]

I like her tits though.

meh

[holahouze]

Melisandre. She's got some mojo; there's no denying those killer shadows. She sees some things in her fires, but she doesn't always know what she's seeing. She gamed Stannis, and perhaps herself. She knew his sword wasn't Lightbringer. The leeches? Sorry, wasn't her. The whole king's blood thing is goofy, but that's her big play. She asks the lord of light for a vision of Azor Ahai, sees Jon and doesn't understand. She's really dangerous because she has some power and she's wrong way too much. Stannis allowed her into his life because he couldn't make good on his birth right on his own.

[holahouze]

You don't want Sansa and Theon to go spat, do you? They're going to be into some pretty interesting stuff.

I'm more forgiving of showrunners than a lot of folks mainly because Martin's world is so big and story holds so many surprises and possibilities. Cuts and shortcuts were inevitable. But, i agree with you, season 5 in Dorne was a disaster, until the end. We head into season 6 with wicked internal strife in Dorne, Myrcella dead by Dornish hands creating crazed Lannister wrath, Trystane a prisoner, and the Lannister/Tyrell alliance hosed up. Let's showrunners up their gaime and do this set-up justice.

[holahouze]

Also, early Jamie. Two handed Jamie. That guy would have cut off Trystane's head, threw his body over board, and sent the head back to Doran with a nice fruit basket.

[Kender]

If Brienne killed Stanis they would have shown the head being removed. It was censored by not showing it so I'd say Stanis is alive.
They arent shy about showing the gore

[Sirken]

Sirk-dog:
I tend to like Melisandre also. I think she has good intentions (though she is evil as fuck), and is generally and all-around bad ass.
I also think she has a lot of blind spots beneath that facade of confidence. She is going to die a nasty death when she makes a mistake and it comes back to bite her in the ass.
I predict she dies in WOW (perhaps in the resurrection of j. snow).
Your thoughts?
i hate Mel. as i said, i truly believes that she believes shes doing the right thing. and i truly believe that her and her church are trying to stop the long night from happening again. but they are fanatics, and they are obsessed with prophecy. and i think sometimes the red priests might see things that arent really there, simply because its what they are looking for.

its like ghost hunter people. if you are looking for ghosts, then every dust spec, every shadow, and every sound "must be" a ghost. whereas to a person just walking and not ghost hunting, they'd only see a dust particle as dust, a shadow as a shadow, and a sound as whatever sound they heard. sometimes when people look for something hard enough, they try to force it like a puzzle piece that doesnt exactly fit

[India]

Some good stuff re: Jon Snow here http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/06/jon-snow-alive-game-of-thrones-comic-con?mbid=social_facebook

[citizen1080]

http://photos.vanityfair.com/2015/06/01/556bb8514ae56e586e4574af_spoiler-got-nights-king.gif

Add this to the OP Sirken...too goog.

[Rararboker]

My guess on mel is that everything she has done in stannis' service has been to get her to her real goal, whatever that is, with jon snow. None of it was her making mistakes or misreading anything. All of the "failures" are just necessary steps to get her to what she saw in the fire. Which explains why she didn't even seem sincere the first time we saw her in the series when she was talking about stannis being the Lord of light.

[holahouze]

My guess on mel is that everything she has done in stannis' service has been to get her to her real goal, whatever that is, with jon snow. None of it was her making mistakes or misreading anything. All of the "failures" are just necessary steps to get her to what she saw in the fire. Which explains why she didn't even seem sincere the first time we saw her in the series when she was talking about stannis being the Lord of light.

That's a pretty forgiving view of Mel. If we accept Jon is to be Azor Ahai Reborn, I think her viewing Stannis in her flames was meant to lead her to Jon, but look at the hash she's made of that vision so far. There are other visions she seems to choose to ignore because they don't fit what she wants to happen. Her King's blood/blood magic moves are total manure, which really chaps my cheeks.

Rather than continue to rag on her, I'll just say if she interpreted her dreams correctly 100% of the time, GRRM's story would be shorter and lesser. Its part of what makes his writing interesting - characters are complicated, flawed, lovable and detestable. I happen to really like Davos. He's a smart, brave, dependable character, and since he is a POV and distrusts Mel, I do too.

BTW, at no time in my readings did i get the impression that Mel did not sincerely believe Stannis was Azor Ahai. Help me, because I don't know where the story tells us otherwise.

[holahouze]

Check out what HBO has to say about Stannis.

http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season-5/episode-10/people/136/stannis-baratheon

[India]

Hmmmm,,, so HBO is saying Stannis was killed

Interesting

[holahouze]

Kind of a bizarre way to get confirmation, but that's what the site says. That hurt more than i thought it would...

[LGraves]

Yeah =/ I usually watch each episode a few times. This last one I only watched once.

[Sikorsky]

I bet lunch he isnt dead - they'd have showed it. They showed Neds head, by not Stannis'? People loved Ned, and hated Stannis (after he burned his daughter), so if he were dead - they'd have showed it.

[Taryth]

Well, this was the concluding episode for season 5. They could've not shown the supposed decapitation in order to compel people to watch the next season. Cliff hanger. Hook.

This is the only time they've not been over-shadowed by the book. It's true that they usually show deaths, but they didn't show this one to get people talking about it; more exposure. I think they're capitalizing on that, regardless of how the rest of the show has been.

[holahouze]

I bet lunch he isnt dead - they'd have showed it. They showed Neds head, by not Stannis'? People loved Ned, and hated Stannis (after he burned his daughter), so if he were dead - they'd have showed it.

I hope you're right, as I would like to see more of Stannis. I've merely provided you a link to see what HBO has to say about it. Deceased. Dead. Muerto. Brienne's page says she killed him. HBO also says Jon is dead, but we anticipate he'll have another life. So, keep the faith.

[Sirken]

that same website lists Jon Snow as dead. not buying it. im not saying Stannis is 100% alive (or dead). just that i wouldnt trust any website as my sole source for anyone elses death, if that site is listing Jon as deceased.

[India]

that same website lists Jon Snow as dead. not buying it. im not saying Stannis is 100% alive (or dead). just that i wouldnt trust any website as my sole source for anyone elses death, if that site is listing Jon as deceased.

I'm guessing they have Jon Snow listed as dead because he IS dead

[holahouze]

I'm guessing they have Jon Snow listed as dead because he IS dead

And now his watch is ended. Reckon Jon will have an interesting burial ceremony.

[holahouze]

that same website lists Jon Snow as dead. not buying it. im not saying Stannis is 100% alive (or dead). just that i wouldnt trust any website as my sole source for anyone elses death, if that site is listing Jon as deceased.

Especially true since Stannis is alive and kicking in-book. But, there's also the thing that HBO isn't just another website in this matter.

[India]

But, there's also the thing that HBO isn't just another website in this matter.

Exactly. There's a bit of credibility behind this one.... :)

[LoliPops]

HBO is FAIL trollin

jon snow is gonna get fucking rez'd like we've seen happen countless times in the fucking books/show even

[katrik]

90% rezz inc

[Doors]

Everyone gonna be real pissed when he don't come back.

[Tasslehofp99]

Everyone gonna be real pissed when he don't come back.

lol, yeah I think if he doesn't get a rez that there will be a lot of angry fans! I for one would be disappointed.

I could also see brienne sparing Stannis if he agrees to help her rescue sansa. Can't wait till next summer to see what they do!

Edit: Also, that HBO viewing guide mentions that Jon Snow was murdered. We already knew that from watching the episode. I don't really think that anything is set in stone for Jon Snow, however, as they showed Mel riding into camp for a reason. ALSO, he fucking survived Pompeii! rofl

The part about Stannis is more telling to me, although I still don't get why they wouldn't show it. They didn't really show The Hound die, did they? Its quite possible Stannis is done for, I just thought that he was a major enough character that he deserved some sort of finality if he was being killed off. /shrug

[holahouze]

lol, yeah I think if he doesn't get a rez that there will be a lot of angry fans! I for one would be disappointed.

I could also see brienne sparing Stannis if he agrees to help her rescue sansa. Can't wait till next summer to see what they do!

Edit: Also, that HBO viewing guide mentions that Jon Snow was murdered. We already knew that from watching the episode. I don't really think that anything is set in stone for Jon Snow, however, as they showed Mel riding into camp for a reason. ALSO, he fucking survived Pompeii! rofl

The part about Stannis is more telling to me, although I still don't get why they wouldn't show it. They didn't really show The Hound die, did they? Its quite possible Stannis is done for, I just thought that he was a major enough character that he deserved some sort of finality if he was being killed off. /shrug

My take on HBO guide re Jon = He was dead when the episode ended. Or, at least the physical, corporeal Jon Snow we knew. This is pretty close to where we are in the books, are we not? And, Jon has to die before he's resurrected. Really want GRRM to get the next book out!

I agree with you about Stannis. Could have used a death scene, or a bloody sword, or something. His story unraveled SO FAST. But, i also agree with others, I would prefer Brienne spared Stannis to see how would go forward - whether penance or revenge. I like Sirken's idea that Stannis ends up taking the black.

And, fyi, the HBO guide does not say the Hound is dead. It says Arya left him to die - also in-line with books.

[Sirken]

I'm guessing they have Jon Snow listed as dead because he IS dead
he'll be fine. he just needs a cleric to log in and rezz him

Especially true since Stannis is alive and kicking in-book. But, there's also the thing that HBO isn't just another website in this matter.
they also list Ned as Jon's father. that site is full of lies.

lol, yeah I think if he doesn't get a rez that there will be a lot of angry fans! I for one would be disappointed.
I could also see brienne sparing Stannis if he agrees to help her rescue sansa. Can't wait till next summer to see what they do!
jon will be fine. even in the show they started building on R+L=J this season. if you kill jon, that entire story was a giant waste of everyones time. jon will now be free of his oath to the nightswatch, will be reborn amongst salt and smoke and be declared Azor Azai reborn.
i stand by my previous posts regarding Brienne and Stannis.

[holahouze]

I just wandered into the HBO site, but to me, it looks like character profiles are updated for each episode. Jon and Stannis profiles weren't dead after episode 9. So, Ned is Jon's dad. R+L=J has not been revealed yet.

[justin2090]

he'll be fine. he just needs a cleric to log in and rezz him


they also list Ned as Jon's father. that site is full of lies.


jon will be fine. even in the show they started building on R+L=J this season. if you kill jon, that entire story was a giant waste of everyones time. jon will now be free of his oath to the nightswatch, will be reborn amongst salt and smoke and be declared Azor Azai reborn.
i stand by my previous posts regarding Brienne and Stannis.

just gonna leave this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBvOQPD_cD8

[Sirken]

I just wandered into the HBO site, but to me, it looks like character profiles are updated for each episode. Jon and Stannis profiles weren't dead after episode 9. So, Ned is Jon's dad. R+L=J has not been revealed yet.

it was revealed in the first book during ned's dream

[Sirken]

just gonna leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBvOQPD_cD8
i know i shouldnt, but i love matpat

[holahouze]

it was revealed in the first book during ned's dream

Ha! You're just clowning me now.

[Sidelle]

Jon Snow is only mostly dead.

http://no2minutewarning.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/tumblr_inline_myye7yJhbL1qbvt58.gif

[Pringles]

they also list Ned as Jon's father. that site is full of lies.


Hmmmm can you elaborate? This is news to me.

[Sirken]

Hmmmm can you elaborate? This is news to me.

if i have to elaborate you shouldnt be reading this thread.

Ned is not Jon's father. Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. for his is the song of ice and fire. nerd.

[indiscriminate_hater]

jon will be fine. even in the show they started building on R+L=J this season. if you kill jon, that entire story was a giant waste of everyones time.

not very convincing

[Pringles]

if i have to elaborate you shouldnt be reading this thread.

Ned is not Jon's father. Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. for his is the song of ice and fire. nerd.

I dont read the books, only watched the shows and dont recall any of that. Everything I know from the show says he belongs to Ned - interesting. Though I want to go back and re-watch the series again, I'm sure Ive missed countless things.

[Pringles]

if i have to elaborate you shouldnt be reading this thread.

Ned is not Jon's father. Jon is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. for his is the song of ice and fire. nerd.

Random thoughts from a non book reader:
How do you know Jon is Rhaegar's and Lyanna's, and not Robert's and Lyanna's? (and rescued by Ned and raised as his own... in secret). This would make way more sense to me with early (S1) foreshadowing, and the fact that Jon definitely looks like a Baratheon (dark curly hair, the way he walks etc), and not at all like a Targaryen (white / fair hair / walks like a prissy). My money is on Jon = Robert's son from Lyanna, mainly a Baratheon to take back the throne, but with enough stark in him to res back as Ghost or something - both houses on throne. But then the whole Fire thing.... I bet Danny and Jon join forces to fight the white walkers... The Targaryens fought them originally? Fire (Danny) and ice (Jon).

[holahouze]

I dont read the books, only watched the shows and dont recall any of that. Everything I know from the show says he belongs to Ned - interesting. Though I want to go back and re-watch the series again, I'm sure Ive missed countless things.

Perhaps you know this, but there's a lot of book content that has been dropped or altered in the television series. Ned's dream is not in the TV series. Sirken is right, there's stuff discussed on this board that will blow minds of non-readers. If you don't mind spoilers, have at it. Otherwise, you might want to find a show-only site.

p.s., i started watching the HBO series not knowing it was based on a book series. The show lead me to the books. You might want to check the books out.

[Pringles]

Perhaps you know this, but there's a lot of book content that has been dropped or altered in the television series. Ned's dream is not in the TV series. Sirken is right, there's stuff discussed on this board that will blow minds of non-readers. If you don't mind spoilers, have at it. Otherwise, you might want to find a show-only site.

p.s., i started watching the HBO series not knowing it was based on a book series. The show lead me to the books. You might want to check the books out.

Ya... my wife has read them, I am not much of a reader though. I made it halfway through the first book (I really liked it - just not much of a reader.....)

[LoliPops]

You owe it to yourself to read the books. AT LEAST finish up to the A Storm of Swords.

[wts]

this season was just a huge disappointment for me.

[Pringles]

So much for the rumor that Kit cut his hair.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/06/entertainment/kit-harington-hair-game-of-thrones-feat/index.html

Also, I am re-watching GoT series (finished S1), and there is no way Jon is gone, there is way too much foreshadowing, even in the TV series. He'll be back. My money is still on him being a Baratheon (Robert) / Stark (Lyanna), even more so after watching S1 again.

[Sidelle]

Yeah, haven't you heard? Kit Harington's curls and Matt Damon's ponytail are currently dating. :p

[holahouze]

So much for the rumor that Kit cut his hair.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/06/entertainment/kit-harington-hair-game-of-thrones-feat/index.html

Also, I am re-watching GoT series (finished S1), and there is no way Jon is gone, there is way too much foreshadowing, even in the TV series. He'll be back. My money is still on him being a Baratheon (Robert) / Stark (Lyanna), even more so after watching S1 again.

One way or another, Jon Snow will be back. He might be hanging out in a meat locker for a while, but as many others have said, he's at the heart of the story.

Robert + Lyanna = Jon would be huge upset in the asoiaf world. The HBO series doesn't provided enough detail to sort it out, but in-book, major issues, such as proximity, work against our theory.

[Pringles]

Yeah, haven't you heard? Kit Harington's curls and Matt Damon's ponytail are currently dating. :p

haha i just found out about Damon's ponytail today as well!

[Pringles]

One way or another, Jon Snow will be back. He might be hanging out in a meat locker for a while, but as many others have said, he's at the heart of the story.

Robert + Lyanna = Jon would be huge upset in the asoiaf world. The HBO series doesn't provided enough detail to sort it out, but in-book, major issues, such as proximity, work against our theory.

Ya i have no idea, just going with what makes sense to me based on what I know. I think its going to come down to Danny (Fire) + Jon (Ice) kicking ass against the white walkers and taking back the throne together.

[Sirken]

I dont read the books, only watched the shows and dont recall any of that. Everything I know from the show says he belongs to Ned - interesting. Though I want to go back and re-watch the series again, I'm sure Ive missed countless things.
https://youtu.be/v9Mp8MzAjAY (Youre Welcome)

Ya... my wife has read them, I am not much of a reader though. I made it halfway through the first book (I really liked it - just not much of a reader.....)
audio books, or youtube. listen while you do other things ;)

[Sirken]

Ya i have no idea, just going with what makes sense to me based on what I know. I think its going to come down to Danny (Fire) + Jon (Ice) kicking ass against the white walkers and taking back the throne together.
well yes to the first part for sure. as far as them ruling together, i dunno. theres no assurance that Westeros will still be one kingdom when all is said and done. i could Jon ruling the north, and Dany ruling the south. i can also see Dany or Jon possibly dying / sacrificing themselves to save all of us in some heroic last stand against the white walkers, and the other one ruling over Westeros. But should Jon ever be legitimized, he'll actually have a better claim to the throne than Dany, as Jon is Rhaegar's son, and Dany was Rhaegar's younger sister. But as Targs have wed each other for many generations over, it wouldn't be a big deal to anyone except followers of the faith of the seven.

[holahouze]

Ya i have no idea, just going with what makes sense to me based on what I know. I think its going to come down to Danny (Fire) + Jon (Ice) kicking ass against the white walkers and taking back the throne together.

I don't know if Jon and Dany will wind up on the same side. I don't know if the white walkers are the bad guys. Got to hear both sides...

https://youtu.be/v9Mp8MzAjAY (Youre Welcome)


audio books, or youtube. listen while you do other things ;)

That is a cool video. Never searched for anything like that. Thanks.

[India]

well yes to the first part for sure. as far as them ruling together, i dunno. theres no assurance that Westeros will still be one kingdom when all is said and done. i could Jon ruling the north, and Dany ruling the south. i can also see Dany or Jon possibly dying / sacrificing themselves to save all of us in some heroic last stand against the white walkers, and the other one ruling over Westeros. But should Jon ever be legitimized, he'll actually have a better claim to the throne than Dany, as and Dany was Rhaegar's younger sister. But as Targs have wed each other for many generations over, it wouldn't be a big deal to anyone except followers of the faith of the seven.

You are immersed...

[Sirken]

You are immersed...

youre just now figuring that out? :P

[Sirken]

omg, i just thought of something.

we know the 3 eyed raven ( aka Bloodraven, aka Brynden Rivers), and Bittersteel (aka Aegor Rivers) never got along, and that Bittersteel had a special loathing for Bloodraven, and Bloodraven's mother. we know that Bittersteel went on to form the Golden Company in Essos, and that when he died, he had them boil the flesh off his skull and dip it in gold, and then carry it before them when they cross the narrow sea to retake Westeros.

soo, fast forward 80-82 years to book 5 - Tyrion and Illyrio are chatting and the halfman asks Illyrio point blank how he got the Golden Company to break its contract with Myr, and Illyrio tells him that some contracts are written in ink and other contracts are written in blood. Tyrion reminds Illyrio that the Golden Company has been fighting the Targs for 80 years, and how on earth Illyrio got them to support and fight for a Targaryen, to which Illyrio tells him black or red, a dragon is still a dragon. sooo, a red dragon is Targaryen, and the black dragon is Blackfyre but both share the blood of King Aegon IV.

(let's completely ignore the "young griff is a blackfyre" implications and theories for a bit, and stay focused like a deathray.)

BUT THEN we find out the Golden Company is sick of Illyrio's constantly changing plan (first Viserys was supposed to bring 50k dothraki, then it was suppose to be Daenarys, then they were supposed to meet Dany in Volantis, but she decided to stay in Mereen), and they decide to swear allegiance to young griff, and then sail with Connington and young griff to the Stormlands in Westeros and take over Griffin's Roost, Greenstone, Rain House, and Crows Nest, and we learn towards the end of book 5 their next target is the Baratheon seat of Storm's End.

AND THIS is why i now think Bloodraven and Dany can work together. the only reason Bloodraven would ever ever ever have cause to help a Targaryen like Dany, would be if it was to prevent Bittersteel's sellsword company from placing someone on the iron throne, and to prevent the Golden Company from essentially winning the game of thrones.

that being said, whitewalkers and shit. i get that Bloodraven is very busy this time of year.

[Patriam1066]

Wasn't blood raven a Targaryen loyalist and hand of the king during the first blackfyre rebellion? Why wouldn't he side with a true born Targ? Also, I'm not that focused I guess.... I subscribe to the theory that Aegon is a Blackfyre.

[Sirken]

Wasn't blood raven a Targaryen loyalist and hand of the king during the first blackfyre rebellion? Why wouldn't he side with a true born Targ? Also, I'm not that focused I guess.... I subscribe to the theory that Aegon is a Blackfyre.

firstly, you failed to ignore the one thing i said to ignore. secondly, yes, but originally the Golden Company was going to help Viserys and then Daenarys, and theres no way (imo) that Bloodraven would let Bittersteel's Golden Company place their man on the throne. be it Young Griff, Viserys, or Dany. but now, they can work together, and i wont pop a blood vessel in my brain when it happens :)

[wts]

youre just now figuring that out? :P

Only took 211 pages.

[India]

Only took 211 pages.

True. Apparently I'm not as immersed ;)

[Patriam1066]

firstly, you failed to ignore the one thing i said to ignore. secondly, yes, but originally the Golden Company was going to help Viserys and then Daenarys, and theres no way (imo) that Bloodraven would let Bittersteel's Golden Company place their man on the throne. be it Young Griff, Viserys, or Dany. but now, they can work together, and i wont pop a blood vessel in my brain when it happens :)

Haha, yeah dude, I had to ignore it. My focus wasn't strong enough.

AS FOR THE OTHER STUFF, I never understood what Illyrio / Golden Company / Varys were doing with Viserys and Dany. Once Aegon was revealed, and assuming he is both Illyrio's son and a Blackfyre, it seems to me that using Viserys / Dany to conquer Westeros was just a means to an end: that end being elevating "Aegon" to the throne. If he were indeed Aegon, his claim would be stronger than Dany's (plus built in support from Dorne and an opportunity to marry him to Arianne). Anyway, that's the only thing that makes even remote sense to me. I realize its based on many assumptions that are probably untrue.

As for Bloodraven, I definitely think he's more concerned with what's going on up north. True, I doubt he'd allow the Golden Company to place a Blackfyre pretender on the throne, but I can't imagine he'd care about Dany. In fact, if he did care about the Seven Kingdoms and it's Targaryen dynasty, he'd probably support her claim. Hopefully he isn't still bitter about Aegor Rivers. Regardless, I think whatever role he'll be playing up north will take up all of his time.

The better question is, why would the Golden Company support a Red dragon? That part is complete BS. Which is pretty much why I think "Aegon" is a blackfyre, until proven otherwise, and that Illyrio and Varys were always going to supplant the legit Targaryens with their fake one. They just needed the legitimacy of Viserys and Dany, who most would believe to be actual Targaryens.

[wts]

As for Bloodraven, I definitely think he's more concerned with what's going on up north.

Have you watched Preston's latest tinfoil revelations? In all of Martin's Sci Fi, there is a race of hive minded borgs. Preston suspects that they're not helping Bran so much as using him since he's able to warg humans.

[Patriam1066]

Have you watched Preston's latest tinfoil revelations? In all of Martin's Sci Fi, there is a race of hive minded borgs. Preston suspects that they're not helping Bran so much as using him since he's able to warg humans.

Lol, yeah. While being tin-foily as fuck, it does seem like GRRM has a trend there, so I'm not sure what to think. I know we can safely say that the children of the forest won't help the white walkers, but it seems like they probably aren't going to help the seven kingdoms either. Maybe they will fight alongside the northerners and the Old Gods after the wall falls? No idea, but the laundry list of hive minded Borgs that are similar to the CoTF is interesting, to say the least.

[Tapatio]

sirken, check PM please thanks 4 service

[Sirken]

Have you watched Preston's latest tinfoil revelations? In all of Martin's Sci Fi, there is a race of hive minded borgs. Preston suspects that they're not helping Bran so much as using him since he's able to warg humans.

i have, and while im skeptical, i cant deny there might be something there

[Sirken]

GoT comic con panel was just meh this year imo

part1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZZ-0ShIYZc
part2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAvdnC1wDr0

[mikeroberts]

I use this site to watch game of thrones.
http://www.alluc.com/stream/games+of+thrones

I watch it on popcorntime (http://www.similarto.us/popcorntime.io/). ...it is available in HD print..moreover it's ad free and sync's with my chromecast

[LulzSect]

Sirken, ever play the GoT CCG? All my pals were into it hardcore back in the day. Of course at the time I thought it was some Fire Giant fantasy shit and missed out.

:rolleyes:

[iruinedyourday]

I always avoided opening this thread because spoilers but now that I have I see you guys are speaking in some kind of language I have never heard before so I was safe all along.

[Sirken]

Sirken, ever play the GoT CCG? All my pals were into it hardcore back in the day. Of course at the time I thought it was some Fire Giant fantasy shit and missed out.

:rolleyes:

no, but ive played the tabletop board game ;)

[Sirken]

I always avoided opening this thread because spoilers but now that I have I see you guys are speaking in some kind of language I have never heard before so I was safe all along.

it would have been a very bad move to be in this thread for seasons 1-3 and the first half of four. i tend to use spoiler tags for certain things, but for most things i dont because the thread is marked with Spoiler warnings ;)

they fucked up dorne so bad. season 5 is my least favorite. but now that i think about it, its really hard for me to rank the other four seasons.

[wts]

First four seasons were badass. They only fucked up when the show overran the books. Doesn't excuse them wholesale making shit up but that's where it went off the rails.

[Taryth]

ASoIaF is a post-nuclear apocalypse series?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jIfYj_guPo


Confirmed.

[Patriam1066]

ASoIaF is a post-nuclear apocalypse series?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jIfYj_guPo


Confirmed.

LOL

hahahahahahaha, holy tinfoil batman!

[Mandalore93]

Anyone who doesn't think that Jon ends up on the Iron Throne, Dany dies fighting the others after going insane, Stannis becomes the 1,000th Lord Commander, and Tyrion becomes Lord of Casterly Rock is a heretic who must be burned.

[Patriam1066]

Anyone who doesn't think that Jon ends up on the Iron Throne, Dany dies fighting the others after going insane, Stannis becomes the 1,000th Lord Commander, and Tyrion becomes Lord of Casterly Rock is a heretic who must be burned.

I agree with this, cept Jon. That's too easy and it can't end with a Targaryen restoration. It's going to be someone strange, like Sansa or Arianne.

[katrik]

http://i.imgur.com/WzrDXuy.jpg

[Sirken]

Anyone who doesn't think that Jon ends up on the Iron Throne, Dany dies fighting the others after going insane, Stannis becomes the 1,000th Lord Commander, and Tyrion becomes Lord of Casterly Rock is a heretic who must be burned.

all of that^ ;)

[Sirken]

and dont worry katrik, he's fine...ish

we think.


how fucked would it be if GRRM keeps him dead just to spite fans that think they know things

[wts]

Yes, but since it's Benioff and Weiss a couple of brothers from the Night's Watch will need to have gay sex on top of Jon's corpse to make it believable.

[wts]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crjkQHnDYu0

[citizen1080]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crjkQHnDYu0

Hopefully it ends up being closer to GoT than Eragorn.

[holahouze]

and dont worry katrik, he's fine...ish

we think.


how fucked would it be if GRRM keeps him dead just to spite fans that think they know things

I'm all-in with Jon's resurrection, and it is going to be awesome. I just can not imagine that scene. The NW's reaction... Really expect Martin will be at the top of his game with it, and thinking about it and the freaking waiting gives me a rash.

[Sidelle]

I just read the books and watched the series again over the last couple of weeks and it's really making me think about Bran and his abilities as a greenseer. In both the tv series and the books we're told that Bran is the only one who's ever been able to hijack the mind of a person. It makes me wonder exactly who or what will he be able to take over once he's mastered his greenseer abilities.

Remember, when Bran finally meets Bloodraven he is told he'll never walk again, but he will fly. I kinda just assumed that he was referring to ravens or some other birds Bran would be able to take over. But then I remembered that dragons have wings too. I wonder how hard it would be for him to hijack one of those. :D

[beyondinfin]

I just read the books and watched the series again over the last couple of weeks and it's really making me think about Bran and his abilities as a greenseer. In both the tv series and the books we're told that Bran is the only one who's ever been able to hijack the mind of a person. It makes me wonder exactly who or what will he be able to take over once he's mastered his greenseer abilities.

Remember, when Bran finally meets Bloodraven he is told he'll never walk again, but he will fly. I kinda just assumed that he was referring to ravens or some other birds Bran would be able to take over. But then I remembered that dragons have wings too. I wonder how hard it would be for him to hijack one of those. :D

Ive had a strong feeling for years that Hodor and Mira Reed will leave that cave on a dragon.

[Sirken]

GUYS

Ian McShane joining GoT cast!

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/01/game-thrones-ian-mcshane

[Sidelle]

Hmm... A relatively small role but very important...

I would be ecstatic if it's Howland Reed.

[Sirken]

its gotta be euron or sam's father. would love him as euron

[holahouze]

Al Swearengen. Excellent! "Check out that sow Tina, Doc, when the opportunity presents. That ain't the whiff of roses when she passes."

[wts]

!!

[Sidelle]

Ive had a strong feeling for years that Hodor and Mira Reed will leave that cave on a dragon.
With Bran driving it, right? Or is Hodor a secret Targ ? :D
its gotta be euron or sam's father. would love him as euron
I really hate the Greyjoys, so I'm not loving that theory, but if he's cast as Euron I just hope they do a good job with it. I don't wanna be disappointed like I was with Dorne. That was embarrassing to watch.

[wts]

That would be awesome if he's playing Howland Reed. He can show up at Castle Black and interrupt the dudes having sex on top of Jon's corpse to let Melly rez him and inform him that he's been legitimized and who his parents are.

[katrik]

http://i.imgur.com/WzrDXuy.jpg

[Quickfingers]

its gotta be euron or sam's father. would love him as euron

He's going to be randyll Tarly for sure and I hope he calls people cocksuckers.

[Sirken]

im all for randyll, but why cant he be euron?

[Sidelle]

http://i.imgur.com/WzrDXuy.jpg
^^OMG, I had no idea that Glamour Shots is still in business. No way! :D

[Sidelle]

its gotta be euron or sam's father. would love him as euron

*** SPOILER ALERT***
(Casting list for season 6)
Looks like you're right about Euron and Randyll Tarly (plus family). I wonder how Sam's dad's gonna feel about his son fathering a bastard with a wildling girl. I think that's the story he was gonna go with so Gilly and little Sam are taken care of. I could see it going either way, to be honest.



VIEW FULL ARTICLE (http://www.vulture.com/2015/05/got-casting-announcement-winds-of-winter-hints.html)

Pirate, man in his 40s to late-50s. He's "an infamous pirate who has terrorized seas all around the world. Cunning, ruthless, with a touch of madness." He’s a dangerous-looking man. A very good part this season.

Father. Aged 50s to 60s, he’s one of the greatest soldiers in Westeros — a humorless martinet, severe and intimidating. He demands martial discipline in the field and in his home. It's described as "a very good part" for next year, which will be "centrally involved" in a protagonist’s story line.

Mother, in her 50s. She’s a sweet, plump, and adoring mother, and has a soft spot for one of her children who benefits from her decency.

Sister, in her early 20s. She’s a kind, friendly, and unpretentious woman.

Brother, in his early-to-mid-20s. Athletic, a good hunter, an excellent swordsman, manly, not particularly bright, but the favorite child of the father.

Priest, in his 40s or 50s. A gruff ex-soldier who found religion. Now a no-nonsense rural priest who ministers to the poor of the countryside. He’s a salt-of-the-earth man who has weathered many battles.

Leading Actress, in her early 40s, she’s an elegant actress with a traveling theater company. Fun, charismatic, rum-drinking actress in the troupe.

Priestess. Mid-20s to early-30s. Any ethnicity — she’s beautiful, intense, and magnetic.

Fierce Warrior, a tall man in his 30s or 40s with a powerful physique. They’re looking for someone with “mixed ethnicity” for the role.

A large boy, for an actor who is 10 to 12, but playing 7 or 8. He’s described as “a clever boy” who seems too large for his age. He’s big and tall, but not fat. “Characterful squat features” are a plus for this part. It’s specified that this is a one-time appearance.

12-year-old boy, with brown hair and blue eyes. He needs to use a Northern accent. He has scenes where he has to spar with a wooden sword. The length of the role isn’t specified.

7-year-old boy, with dark brown hair, a narrow face, and green eyes. He has a Northern accent. He also spars with the wooden sword, so it’s safe to assume it’s the same scene. This role is similarly open-ended, the description only stating that the character is being "introduced."

[holahouze]

im all for randyll, but why cant he be euron?

I think McShane would be a terrific Euron. Perfect for a badass, power-mad, Godless pirate. As to it being a relatively small role... that bothers me. Would not like seeing the McShane/Euron role cutback like Doran.

Tarly would probably treat Sam, like Al treated Johnny. He's got that going for him.

[Tiggles]

im all for randyll, but why cant he be euron?

Because they said he will be in a small role and I don't think euron will be a small roll this season and I think randyll will be.

Also, I don't see him as euron I always pictures him as creepy looking and mysterious not rugged.

The guy from Hannibal the TV series would make a good euron.

Also.. I just had my friend pick me up three boxes of the new Game of Thrones LCG from gencon. I know your a card game nerd so I'll let you know how it plays.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2014/11/5/a-game-of-thrones-the-card-game-second-edition/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nwYUxdN9PRztV7frsDx5pj1pKBaFaMLUiKTw0eD1pbI/htmlview#gid=763712313

https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/b2/8b/b28bc222-d236-44d5-a8db-1ccf2e36b5a6/stannis-baratheon.png

Stannis is winter orb.

[Sirken]

tiggles man..


http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/4/41/Euron_Greyjoy.jpg


http://cdn.movieweb.com/img.news/NEeY1sG6NQkjhm_1_1.jpg






im telling you, 100% Euron. Randyll is a lean and balding man. slap an eye patch on Ian McShane and he's ready. AND regardless of whom he plays, we better hear a cocksucker out of him

[Patriam1066]

tiggles man..


http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/4/41/Euron_Greyjoy.jpg


http://cdn.movieweb.com/img.news/NEeY1sG6NQkjhm_1_1.jpg






im telling you, 100% Euron. Randyll is a lean and balding man. slap an eye patch on Ian McShane and he's ready. AND regardless of whom he plays, we better hear a cocksucker out of him

Damn, I'm sold. Other than him being older than I'd expect, the resemblance is uncanny.

[Sirken]

some black hair/beard dye, problem solved ;)

[holahouze]

Given a choice between Euron & Tarly for McShane, I'd definitely favor him in Euron role. He'd be excellent at mucking things up. Tarly is kind of a stiff, and besides, what he did to Sam was seriously messed up. Jerk meat.

Why do you think showrunners revealed Von Sydow as Bloodraven but not McShane's role? They may be trying to hide plot. So, maybe McShane plays the septon. They combine characters of Meribald and Elderly Brother and that leads to the Arya reveal to others and the Gravedigger.

[wts]

I was not familiar with this concept of "hate watching." I will be doing this for Season 6.

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/26/the_dangers_of_auteur_tv_how_true_detective_went_f rom_critical_darling_to_laughingstock/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_623805

Also, Sirken, I hope you read my post on page 12 of the wipe it clean nerd thread. Thanks for asking and I hope the staff appreciates the level of response that one question brought.

<3 Aenor the Jihadist

[Sirken]

Aenor, i havent read the thread yet. im going to do it tomorrow at work :p


Holahouze, i think they revealed Von Sydow as BloodRaven because thats not a new character, as we met him in season 4, and we know that plot is in the show. but with Randyll and Euron, we've never seen them. the show has never let us know those characters/plots would be addressed. i dont want Maribald combined with the Elder Brother. if they do that im worried it means no Gravedigger and no Clegane Bowl 2016.

i really want Clegane Bowl 2016 :D

[holahouze]

Holahouze, i think they revealed Von Sydow as BloodRaven because thats not a new character, as we met him in season 4, and we know that plot is in the show. but with Randyll and Euron, we've never seen them. the show has never let us know those characters/plots would be addressed. i dont want Maribald combined with the Elder Brother. if they do that im worried it means no Gravedigger and no Clegane Bowl 2016.

i really want Clegane Bowl 2016 :D[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I thought about that re: Von Sydow -- you're probably right. I guess I'm just hung up on the "small but important role" for McShane. There's obviously risk applying books to show, but Tarly seems to fit that definition better - a guy i didn't care for in books because of the way he treated Sam. So, the septon would be a way to make McShane's role more acceptable to me. I think there's a way for the septon to lead to the Quiet Isle, Gravedigger, and what happened to Arya. That would be a relatively small but important role. I want to see Clegane Bowl too!! But, i bet you it will be 2017.

[Mandalore93]

The Ironborn plot is very minor in the totality of things. It's a side story to serve as a plot device to transport characters from different locations pretty much while shedding more light on the world.

Plus the Ironborn are dumb cunts which can't be said enough.

[holahouze]

For the McShane/Deadwood fans... And, DO NOT play that video at end in public setting. It does not foreshadow McShane as a septon.

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/tell-your-god-to-ready-for-blood-the-deadwood-movie-moves-closer-to-reality/?ex_cid=story-twitter

[Sidelle]

So I'm looking for something new to read and I remembered that I've been meaning to check out the Dunk and Egg prequels for a while now. I found them but they're not regular books but graphic novels?? :confused: I downloaded the available sample and the whole comic book/graphic novel format is just not my thing. It appears that some people have used regular copies of these books for sale, but they're ridiculously expensive.

Apparently the prequels are being released as one book in October called "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" so I'm probable just gonna have to wait until then, which sucks. I HATE WAITING FOR SHIT TO BE RELEASED.

Who here has read these and were they standard or graphic novels?

Also... Is anyone else thinking that the show is getting a little sloppy with details? An example: the golden lion pendant that Cercei wears. She said there were only two like it in the world and the other one she gave to Myrcella, which of course is the one that shows up back in King's Landing in the jaws of a viper -- an obvious threat against Myrcella.

But back in season one, Joffrey gave Sansa the same exact necklace when he apologized for being an asshole to her.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Z5gTd9tafZM/UZ7OpNJtaxI/AAAAAAAABwM/6CL8SjQ2bFs/s1600/Screen+shot+2013-05-23+at+7.20.13+PM.png

One more thing... I'm confused about the whole poisoning of Myrcella. Part of me thinks Prince Doran knew that Ellaria was going to poison the girl. He even kinda nodded/gestured at her to step forward and say goodbye to Myrcella.

But whether it was known or not, the Lannisters now have Tristayne Martell at their mercy. Wtf is that about? It doesn't make any sense. LOL. Could the Dornish storyline in the show be any more lame and embarrassing to watch? The only good parts were any scene with Oberyn Martell, right up until his head was crushed like a grape by the Mountain. :eek:

[holahouze]

Sidelle, I'm interested in reading the novellas, too. And, like you, the comic book format is not working for me. I will tell you that the three novellas are published in novel/short story format in SF/fantasy compilations = Legends, Legends II, and Warriors. As those books contain other authors' works, and run around 700 pages, i have not pulled trigger. Check out Amazon. I'm probably going to wait until Martin's Fall release -- unless someone here can hook a brother up!

Had not noticed the necklace goof -- stray from source and they screw up. I didn't think Doran knew about the poison, as it would have been insane to risk Trystane that way. Not really his style. But, Dorne S5 was such a code 3 dumpster fire -- i'm having commitment issues...

[Tiggles]

So I'm looking for something new to read and I remembered that I've been meaning to check out the Dunk and Egg prequels for a while now. I found them but they're not regular books but graphic novels?? :confused: I downloaded the available sample and the whole comic book/graphic novel format is just not my thing. It appears that some people have used regular copies of these books for sale, but they're ridiculously expensive.

Apparently the prequels are being released as one book in October called "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" so I'm probable just gonna have to wait until then, which sucks. I HATE WAITING FOR SHIT TO BE RELEASED.

Who here has read these and were they standard or graphic novels?

Also... Is anyone else thinking that the show is getting a little sloppy with details? An example: the golden lion pendant that Cercei wears. She said there were only two like it in the world and the other one she gave to Myrcella, which of course is the one that shows up back in King's Landing in the jaws of a viper -- an obvious threat against Myrcella.

But back in season one, Joffrey gave Sansa the same exact necklace when he apologized for being an asshole to her.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Z5gTd9tafZM/UZ7OpNJtaxI/AAAAAAAABwM/6CL8SjQ2bFs/s1600/Screen+shot+2013-05-23+at+7.20.13+PM.png

One more thing... I'm confused about the whole poisoning of Myrcella. Part of me thinks Prince Doran knew that Ellaria was going to poison the girl. He even kinda nodded/gestured at her to step forward and say goodbye to Myrcella.

But whether it was known or not, the Lannisters now have Tristayne Martell at their mercy. Wtf is that about? It doesn't make any sense. LOL. Could the Dornish storyline in the show be any more lame and embarrassing to watch? The only good parts were any scene with Oberyn Martell, right up until his head was crushed like a grape by the Mountain. :eek:

I paid a fortune but I have the original series. You live near philly right? I can let you borrow them if you promise not to rob me.

[Tiggles]

The Ironborn plot is very minor in the totality of things. It's a side story to serve as a plot device to transport characters from different locations pretty much while shedding more light on the world.

Plus the Ironborn are dumb cunts which can't be said enough.

No way.

Euron is going to totally control the dragons and force Danny to be his slave wife and HE is going to sit on the iron throne.

[beyondinfin]

Thanks for reminding me I got the 3 Dunk novellas on my ipod ready to be listened too!

[Sirken]

Sidelle, the books are actual books. i never read the graphic novels. the issue is, they arent available in print right now. you need to wait til october, or listen to them online.

FYI, they arent their own book either. for ex: "The Hedge Knight" (the first dunk and egg story) is in a book with like 10 other short stories by different authors.

[Tiggles]

Sidelle, the books are actual books. i never read the graphic novels. the issue is, they arent available in print right now. you need to wait til october, or listen to them online.

FYI, they arent their own book either. for ex: "The Hedge Knight" (the first dunk and egg story) is in a book with like 10 other short stories by different authors.

Also if you do buy legends you can't buy the paperback version as it only has about half the stories. You have to buy the original hardcover.

I learned that the hard way

[Sirken]

Also if you do buy legends you can't buy the paperback version as it only has about half the stories. You have to buy the original hardcover.

I learned that the hard way

so did my nerdpal keith.

fun fact: Lady Rohanne (the red widow from the second Dunk and Egg book) is actually the grandmother of Tywin Lannister and Kevan Lannister

[Sirken]

how dare you nerds let this be on the second page

[wts]

http://wanna-joke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/kit-harington-jon-snow-valyrian-steel.jpg

[holahouze]

how dare you nerds let this be on the second page

We're simply asking you to run this board while we eat, drink, and whore ourselves into an early grave.

[Sirken]

i shall accept this.

sooo apparently we are getting 2 ned flashbacks. one of young ned, one of ToJ ned.

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/08/09/young-ned-stark-cast-reportedly/

http://watchersonthewall.com/the-tower-of-joy-confirmed-and-more-new-details-about-a-key-role-involved/

[minakto]

i shall accept this.

sooo apparently we are getting 2 ned flashbacks. one of young ned, one of ToJ ned.

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/08/09/young-ned-stark-cast-reportedly/

http://watchersonthewall.com/the-tower-of-joy-confirmed-and-more-new-details-about-a-key-role-involved/

Do you think it will be part of a greenseer vision as a flashback?

[wts]

Tower of Joy! Let's do this shit.

[holahouze]

Do you think it will be part of a greenseer vision as a flashback?

The actor rumored to be cast as young Ned seems too young to play Ned at TOJ. Let's hope showrunners don't screw this up.

If he's not young Ned at TOJ, then what is his purpose? You folks can straighten me out, but i don't recall scenes in-book of young Ned. I recall references to him as foster of Jon Arryn, but that only served to establish backstory. What am i missing?

With the exception Howland Reed, there's no one left to do a flashback of TOJ. Got to be via Bran and/or Bloodraven. Further, is there anyone left who could to a flashback pertaining to young Ned?? I'm ready for some Bran awesomeness.

Last thought/question. I see no speculation about casting Howland Reed, Lyanna and the babe. How can they do justice to TOJ w/o this element? They can't. What's up?

[katrik]

http://wanna-joke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/kit-harington-jon-snow-valyrian-steel.jpg

lold

[Sirken]

Do you think it will be part of a greenseer vision as a flashback?

at least one of them will be. the ToJ flashback was from Neds Dream in Book 1, so im not sure who can have that dream now as the only survivor from the ToJ event currently alive is Howland Reed (whom we've never met or seen in the books or the show).

[Sirken]

The actor rumored to be cast as young Ned seems too young to play Ned at TOJ. Let's hope showrunners don't screw this up.

If he's not young Ned at TOJ, then what is his purpose? You folks can straighten me out, but i don't recall scenes in-book of young Ned. I recall references to him as foster of Jon Arryn, but that only served to establish backstory. What am i missing?

With the exception Howland Reed, there's no one left to do a flashback of TOJ. Got to be via Bran and/or Bloodraven. Further, is there anyone left who could to a flashback pertaining to young Ned?? I'm ready for some Bran awesomeness.

Last thought/question. I see no speculation about casting Howland Reed, Lyanna and the babe. How can they do justice to TOJ w/o this element? They can't. What's up?

they are two separate scenes buddy. the "young Ned" scene is preteen versions of Ned and Lyanna sparring near the weirwood in Winterfell. its a scene from Bran's PoV in Book 5, a vision he sees from the trees.

ToJ scene will be almost a decade later. it will be interesting to see if they use Sean Bean, because they could ;)

[wts]

Howland Reed pretty much has to show up in Winds of Winter.

[holahouze]

they are two separate scenes buddy. the "young Ned" scene is preteen versions of Ned and Lyanna sparring near the weirwood in Winterfell. its a scene from Bran's PoV in Book 5, a vision he sees from the trees.

ToJ scene will be almost a decade later. it will be interesting to see if they use Sean Bean, because they could ;)

Good get! So many of the back stories via dreams/visions/Old Nan flew over my head... Although I put together the Theon TWOW sample chapter to one of Bran's weirnet visions. Proud moment for me.

I'm totally fine with HBO using Sean Bean to play the TOJ scene. Might need to use a little neutrogena... Still hard for me to envision full value of that scene if Lyanna not there. Would be nice to hear what Ned actually promised.

(and thanks for not calling me "little buddy")

[Sirken]

Howland Reed pretty much has to show up in Winds of Winter.

one thing ive learned from GRM is nothing *has* to happen.

[Sirken]

Good get! So many of the back stories via dreams/visions/Old Nan flew over my head... Although I put together the Theon TWOW sample chapter to one of Bran's weirnet visions. Proud moment for me.

I'm totally fine with HBO using Sean Bean to play the TOJ scene. Might need to use a little neutrogena... Still hard for me to envision full value of that scene if Lyanna not there. Would be nice to hear what Ned actually promised.

(and thanks for not calling me "little buddy")

good job with the theon bran thing. when you reread, youre gonna start thinking every single thing near a weirwood is bran :P

if they can CGI Cersei's face on a body double, then i have no problem believing they can throw some make up on sean bean to make him look a little bit younger. Lyanna should be there imo, Ned gets to her in his dream, and this is when she makes him promise her something (probably to protect & raise her son, Jon). but really, theres no point in doing the ToJ scene if it doesnt include Lyanna, otherwise its just some random fight scene without any importance or reason for showing it to us.

[wts]

Don't put it past the show runners to fuck it up, though.

[Sirken]

can they do it worse than they did dorne?

[wts]

That would take some serious effort. Goes back to the Two Towers for me. Where do these dimbulbs get off thinking they can rewrite one of the greatest fiction writers of all time? JUST STICK TO THE FUCKING BOOK.

[MrSparkle001]

Does anyone know why the producers are killing off characters that are still very much alive in the books? Shireen, Myrcella, Barristan Selmy (although he might not be dead), Stannis (again, might not be dead)?

I'm afraid GRRM let the producers kill off these characters because they will be killed off in the next book.

The show is so drastically different from the book that my head is spinning. I legitimately cannot remember sometimes if a scene I remember is from the show or the books. I picture the show's cast and sets when reading the books now so it can get confusing.

I'm at a point now where I don't think I want to watch the next season or hear anything about it until I read the book, because I don't want spoilers and I think I've already seen some at the end of this season

I don't know what the producers are thinking with Dorne but in the books Dorne isn't a major player yet. The Sand Snakes are imprisoned, Myrcella's returning to King's Landing, there's hints of a possibility of a civil war or usurpation of the Dornish throne but that's about it so far. Again, I think GRRM is letting the producers know what's going to happen in the next book even if it's not all written down yet in manuscript form.

Yeah I used to think Peter Jackson took liberties with LOTR.

[Sidelle]

can they do it worse than they did dorne?
^^^They'd better not. I would be bitterly disappointed and would be forced to chop off their manhoods and feed them to the goats.

Ever since I first read about the ToJ in the books I've been hopeful that we would see it all play out on the show someday. I really loved the fight scene in season one between Ned and Jaime (and LOL at the grin on Jaime's face when he discovered that 'ole Ned had some skillz. :)) but that fight would be nothing compared to Ned & pals battling it out against three of the most legendary Kingsguard knights ever.

And then finally add in the drama of Lyanna screaming during the battle (presumably giving birth) and then slipping away after Ned's promises to her and it has the potential of being the best episode ever... as long as we find out the truth about Jon's parentage, of course.

[holahouze]

Rumor mill. Spoiler(s) in here. If the first rumor is true, it further illustrates the show is out-of-synch time-wise with books -- book 3&4 in season 6.

Have at it. http://winteriscoming.net/2015/08/29/game-of-thrones-rumored-spoilers-a-lady-to-appear-and-more/

[Sidelle]

Rumor mill. Spoiler(s) in here. If the first rumor is true, it further illustrates the show is out-of-synch time-wise with books -- book 3&4 in season 6.

Have at it. http://winteriscoming.net/2015/08/29/game-of-thrones-rumored-spoilers-a-lady-to-appear-and-more/
https://media.giphy.com/media/Z6wxJ4bftVZcY/giphy.gif

……OMG……

(Mental note: KEEP SOME EXTRA SMALL-CLOTHES HANDY WHEN SEASON 6 PREMIERES (if the information is correct)... LOL Wow. Was not expecting that at all..)

If this Lady Stoneheart thing comes to pass I hope they really go the extra mile to make her look as terrifying as she sounds in the books.

[wts]

Does anyone know why the producers are killing off characters that are still very much alive in the books?

Winter is coming, whether GRRM can still write or not. This whole thing went off the rails because Martin couldn't deliver a book before HBO had to deliver the last season. Now they're just making shit up. Lady Stoneheart leading an army? smh

[Sidelle]

The show is so drastically different from the book that my head is spinning. I legitimately cannot remember sometimes if a scene I remember is from the show or the books. I picture the show's cast and sets when reading the books now so it can get confusing.
I know just what you mean... Have you tried going to Game of Thrones Wiki (http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_Wiki)? It's for the TV series info only.A Wiki of Ice and Fire (http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page) is all about what happens in the books. Hope that helps. I think there are more websites besides these two but I've found these to be most helpful.

[MrSparkle001]

Yeah it does help and I use both of them.

See I forgot all about Lady Stoneheart. She's barely mentioned in the books and as far as I remember maybe once in the show (or maybe not, again I can't remember if I saw it or imagined it while reading). It's possible she commands an army in the upcoming book. It's also possible they really do have to make shit up because GRRM can't get off his lazy ass and write.

And what's with this talk of Jon Snow not being Ned's bastard son? I don't think I've once read any hint that he might not be. I fully expect him to not be dead in the next book and season but I don't expect them to say he's Rhaegar's son unless that's something GRRM has planned. Are there any hints in the books that he might not be a Stark? Or even the series?

[beyondinfin]

Yeah it does help and I use both of them.

See I forgot all about Lady Stoneheart. She's barely mentioned in the books and as far as I remember maybe once in the show (or maybe not, again I can't remember if I saw it or imagined it while reading). It's possible she commands an army in the upcoming book. It's also possible they really do have to make shit up because GRRM can't get off his lazy ass and write.

And what's with this talk of Jon Snow not being Ned's bastard son? I don't think I've once read any hint that he might not be. I fully expect him to not be dead in the next book and season but I don't expect them to say he's Rhaegar's son unless that's something GRRM has planned. Are there any hints in the books that he might not be a Stark? Or even the series?

"Promise me Ned....Promise me..."

Id say most indicators for Jon not being full Stark come from Ned chapters in GoT. I unfortunately cannot be specific besides Ned's promise to Lyanna.

[MrSparkle001]

Yeah I googled the theory and it does make sense considering all the little things I completely forgot about. I guess even Ghost and his wolf dreams can be attributed to Lyanna.

But it always made sense to me that he was a Stark. He had an honorable father who succumbed to the desires many men away at war succumb to and was still honorable enough to bring him home and raise him. He shared the strange Stark shapeshifting thing. His look was similar to if not exactly like his siblings. And GRRM's world was a very medieval world where bastards born in war were common.

I never paid enough attention to think those things could be attributed to a R+L=J theory but it makes sense.

All I know for sure is he's not dead. I wish the same could be said for Stannis and Barristan in the show which is why I don't know if can call the show "good".

[holahouze]

Winter is coming, whether GRRM can still write or not. This whole thing went off the rails because Martin couldn't deliver a book before HBO had to deliver the last season. Now they're just making shit up. Lady Stoneheart leading an army? smh

I agree with you. Martin's slow progress put showrunners in a jackpot. They're problem solving now. I find this drama kind of interesting in a way. But, it doesn't excuse Dorne...

I assumed from the rumor that army = BWOB. If the showrunners make BWOB some massive 10k force, then yeah, not good.

[holahouze]

Yeah I googled the theory and it does make sense considering all the little things I completely forgot about. I guess even Ghost and his wolf dreams can be attributed to Lyanna.

But it always made sense to me that he was a Stark. He had an honorable father who succumbed to the desires many men away at war succumb to and was still honorable enough to bring him home and raise him. He shared the strange Stark shapeshifting thing. His look was similar to if not exactly like his siblings. And GRRM's world was a very medieval world where bastards born in war were common.

I never paid enough attention to think those things could be attributed to a R+L=J theory but it makes sense.

All I know for sure is he's not dead. I wish the same could be said for Stannis and Barristan in the show which is why I don't know if can call the show "good".

You guys are confusing me re: this theory you're referring to. Jon gets his Stark-ness from Lyanna. R+L=J, right? What am i missing?

Whether Jon is dead or not depends on your definition of dead. I think his heart stops pumping, and he gets resurrected. But, he probably wargs into Ghost. The aftermath at the wall is going to be righteous (in the books).

[wts]

Are there any hints in the books that he might not be a Stark? Or even the series?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-u2gUM4Vvc

[holahouze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-u2gUM4Vvc

Ah, thank you. I've watched/listened to these before. Jacobs is very knowledgeable, confident and persuasive. But, i have to admit, i do not have the processor speed to keep up with him. He just keeps lapping me. And, I'm too casual to take the trouble of making notes and following it closely.

Call me stubborn or lazy or both. B+A=J & R+L=D would be a huge upset.

[wts]

B+A=J & R+L=D would be a huge upset.

Yes, but it would be a great troll for all the R+L=J nerds. If the latter turns out to be true, which seems almost certain at this point, at the least Preston has pointed out multiple plot holes.

[holahouze]

Yes, but it would be a great troll for all the R+L=J nerds. If the latter turns out to be true, which seems almost certain at this point, at the least Preston has pointed out multiple plot holes.

Agreed, and I'm not dissing Preston. Martin's planted all this stuff and toying with us.

Did you happen to drop below video and read through the comments? There is some serious next level wonk work there.

[wts]

Agreed, and I'm not dissing Preston. Martin's planted all this stuff and toying with us.

Did you happen to drop below video and read through the comments? There is some serious next level wonk work there.

I read through after Sirks first linked Preston's shit. This is probably why GRRM can't deliver the book ... he can't figure out how to close all the plot holes.

[holahouze]

Here's your Euron...

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/09/01/danish-actor-pilou-asbaek-reportedly-cast-as-euron-greyjoy/

[MrSparkle001]

So Ian McShane as Archmaester or Seneschal then?

Or maybe he's playing someone we don't even know since the book isn't out yet.

[Sidelle]

Here's your Euron...

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/09/01/danish-actor-pilou-asbaek-reportedly-cast-as-euron-greyjoy/
https://i.imgflip.com/qh69v.jpg

http://winteriscoming.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Kasper-Juul.jpeg

[Sirken]

Does anyone know why the producers are killing off characters that are still very much alive in the books? Shireen, Myrcella, Barristan Selmy (although he might not be dead), Stannis (again, might not be dead)?

I'm afraid GRRM let the producers kill off these characters because they will be killed off in the next book.

The show is so drastically different from the book that my head is spinning. I legitimately cannot remember sometimes if a scene I remember is from the show or the books. I picture the show's cast and sets when reading the books now so it can get confusing.

I'm at a point now where I don't think I want to watch the next season or hear anything about it until I read the book, because I don't want spoilers and I think I've already seen some at the end of this season

I don't know what the producers are thinking with Dorne but in the books Dorne isn't a major player yet. The Sand Snakes are imprisoned, Myrcella's returning to King's Landing, there's hints of a possibility of a civil war or usurpation of the Dornish throne but that's about it so far. Again, I think GRRM is letting the producers know what's going to happen in the next book even if it's not all written down yet in manuscript form.

Yeah I used to think Peter Jackson took liberties with LOTR.

they will kill characters that are either A) going to die in the book, or B) dont have ploy armor to the central story, or rather, the end of the story.

as for dorne, they dont want to usurp so much as they want dornish law to rule the land. which means Myrcella is right Queen and her betrothed is Tristan Martell ;)

GRRM and D&D do communicate, they know the broadstrokes, but at this point they are so off base, i doubt they need GRRM for much more than the end. looks like they are taking their own route to the finish line.

[Sirken]

^^^They'd better not. I would be bitterly disappointed and would be forced to chop off their manhoods and feed them to the goats.

Ever since I first read about the ToJ in the books I've been hopeful that we would see it all play out on the show someday. I really loved the fight scene in season one between Ned and Jaime (and LOL at the grin on Jaime's face when he discovered that 'ole Ned had some skillz. :)) but that fight would be nothing compared to Ned & pals battling it out against three of the most legendary Kingsguard knights ever.

And then finally add in the drama of Lyanna screaming during the battle (presumably giving birth) and then slipping away after Ned's promises to her and it has the potential of being the best episode ever... as long as we find out the truth about Jon's parentage, of course.

i can not wait for this episode. so glad to hear it will be in Season 6

[holahouze]

Season 6 update. Some spoilers. And, drones.

I just did not see Theon back on the Iron Islands.

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/09/03/aerial-footage-of-the-iron-islands-scenes-being-filmed-also-has-aeron-greyjoy-been-cast/

[Sirken]

that says Pilou Asbæk is casted as Euron. that means McShane is probably samwell's father. im not impressed :(

[Patriam1066]

Definitely not a good choice for Euron

[Sirken]

If this Lady Stoneheart thing comes to pass I hope they really go the extra mile to make her look as terrifying as she sounds in the books.

@Sidelle

like this?

http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/styles/tout_image_612x380/public/i/2014/06/12/LADY-STONEHEART_612x380_0.jpg?itok=oMjdUoQA

[holahouze]

Sidelle, I've laughed each time I viewed your pic. Thanks!

I'm not familliar with the actor named as Euron. What's up? Bad choice, why?

I agree, I'm not impressed with McShane taking on the "book-like" role for Tarley. I think he's a stiff. I suppose showrunner's might spark him up. I'm needing McShane at his commanding best. FWIW, Ray Donovan saved his ass this past week.

[MrSparkle001]

Umm I'm now thinking McShane as Aeron Damphair. Yes he was technically played by a different actor in season 2(?) but that doesn't matter in GoT anymore. If the Ironborn's story will have a greater focus in the upcoming season I'm thinking we will see the kingsmoot which means Euron, Victarion and Aeron.

With long enough hair I can easily see McShane playing any of the three but my guess this day is Aeron. "Small but important role" sums up Aeron pretty well.


...and I posted that before reading this

In casting news, Watchers on the Wall reports that an unidentified actor has been cast as Aeron Greyjoy

Just fuck me already.

[Sidelle]

@Sidelle

like this?

http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/styles/tout_image_612x380/public/i/2014/06/12/LADY-STONEHEART_612x380_0.jpg?itok=oMjdUoQA
Yes!

[Sidelle]

Sidelle, I've laughed each time I viewed your pic. Thanks!

I'm not familliar with the actor named as Euron. What's up? Bad choice, why?Now if you guys recall the guy who played Balon...

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/balon-greyjoy-600x338.jpg

And then picture frat boy Euron, who looks much, much younger (even though he's the next eldest) and is supposed to be this scary-ass pirate that strikes fear in the hearts of everyone. Instead, it's frat boy who'll show up and be like "yar, I'm a scary pirate". Lol. I just think they screwed up. McShane would have been an awesome Euron Crow's Eye.

Oh well. What's done is done. Let's give babyface a chance, I suppose. :D

http://static.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/2015/09/03/372061-pilou-asbaek-gettyimages-crop.jpg

[Sidelle]

Season 6 update. Some spoilers. And, drones.

I just did not see Theon back on the Iron Islands.

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/09/03/aerial-footage-of-the-iron-islands-scenes-being-filmed-also-has-aeron-greyjoy-been-cast/
Theon goes home for a bittersweet reunion with his penis and finds out someone sold it to a cock merchant.

[wts]

@Sidelle

like this?

http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/styles/tout_image_612x380/public/i/2014/06/12/LADY-STONEHEART_612x380_0.jpg?itok=oMjdUoQA

Perfect! I always thought this was the only reason to cast Farley, given how creepy she would look as LSH.

[Sirken]

is it april yet? fuck.

i wouldnt be surprised if we learn Balon died via a raven, as opposed to actually casting the actor for 1 episode and killing him.

but he will die.. finally.

(in what fucking world does Balon out live Jon?)

[Sirken]

speaking of Jon, do you think hes coming back early? or do you think we see his corpse in ep1, and he stays dead until hes rezz'd at the end of Ep 10

[katrik]

http://i.imgur.com/WzrDXuy.jpg

[wts]

Ep. 10. They'll want to use it as the big end of season surprise.

[holahouze]

speaking of Jon, do you think hes coming back early? or do you think we see his corpse in ep1, and he stays dead until hes rezz'd at the end of Ep 10

It would not surprise me if they hold off on resurrection until late in the season. But, they have some tricky ground to cover, because a huge shitstorm is brewing at the wall and i think they need to tackle that early. Like, right away.

Sirken, here is Balon's rope bridge.

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/09/01/actual-filming-for-season-6-in-ballintoy-harbour-today/

[Sirken]

im convinced Euron will just look up at the bridge and make a comment about Balon. ill still be shocked if they bring balon back for 1 ep just to kill him. thats dumb and a waste of time and money.

they should shoot me an email, i could fix this mess for them :P

[Sidelle]

https://i.imgflip.com/qo98d.jpg

I just watched "Hardhome" again. Really enjoyed some of the creepier moments, like the undead children. I'm a bit of a horror fan and I've always thought children make the best evil monsters. :p

So I'm thinking about the episode and it's driving me a little nuts that we know nothing about why these ice demons are back after 8,000 years. I know they're building up their army of wights, but WHY? Is something forcing them south maybe? How are they going to cross the Wall even though the children of the forest protected it with magic? I suppose it could be as simple as they just want to conquer everything. Who knows. Maybe they know about the three dragons that were born into the world, increasing their magical abilities.

And just who the hell is this horned lord? Does it mean anything that he and the other white walkers look like weirwood trees? (LOL) I kind of thought it was strange when Sam and Gilly were still north of the wall and they found that abandoned shelter to set up camp for the night. There was a weirwood right there. They walked right past its face and within a few minutes that white walker suddenly showed up to take the baby. Maybe they're tapped into the weirwood network too?

I really wonder... Are all the white walkers as evil as they seem to us? Who knows, maybe we humans are the evil ones from their PoV. I've been hoping we'd catch a glimpse of the 12 other white walkers that were standing in the background when that baby was turned into one of them. I'd love to see how they interact with each other, etc.

[beyondinfin]

https://i.imgflip.com/qo98d.jpg

I just watched "Hardhome" again. Really enjoyed some of the creepier moments, like the undead children. I'm a bit of a horror fan and I've always thought children make the best evil monsters. :p

So I'm thinking about the episode and it's driving me a little nuts that we know nothing about why these ice demons are back after 8,000 years. I know they're building up their army of wights, but WHY? Is something forcing them south maybe? How are they going to cross the Wall even though the children of the forest protected it with magic? I suppose it could be as simple as they just want to conquer everything. Who knows. Maybe they know about the three dragons that were born into the world, increasing their magical abilities.

And just who the hell is this horned lord? Does it mean anything that he and the other white walkers look like weirwood trees? (LOL) I kind of thought it was strange when Sam and Gilly were still north of the wall and they found that abandoned shelter to set up camp for the night. There was a weirwood right there. They walked right past its face and within a few minutes that white walker suddenly showed up to take the baby. Maybe they're tapped into the weirwood network too?

I really wonder... Are all the white walkers as evil as they seem to us? Who knows, maybe we humans are the evil ones from their PoV. I've been hoping we'd catch a glimpse of the 12 other white walkers that were standing in the background when that baby was turned into one of them. I'd love to see how they interact with each other, etc.

Winter is coming.

[wts]

they should shoot me an email, i could fix this mess for them :P

Step 1: Shoot Dave, Dan and all the writers in the face.

Step 2: ???

Step 3: Profit

why these ice demons are back after 8,000 years. I know they're building up their army of wights, but WHY?

I won't spoil it but all of Preston's recent vids speculate on this. Suffice to say I don't like the genre-bending implications Preston is hinting at.

I really wonder... Are all the white walkers as evil as they seem to us?.

I got into a discussion about this on one of Leigh Butler's blogs (Aenor) in which I posited that Martin is distinct from Tolkien and Robert Jordan because he doesn't have orcs or trollocs that are automatically evil because of their race. I said that I enjoyed Martin's moral ambiguity. Another poster argued that the Others and wights are Martin's evil race. My counter: How do we know the others are evil?

[MrSparkle001]

https://i.imgflip.com/qo98d.jpg

I just watched "Hardhome" again. Really enjoyed some of the creepier moments, like the undead children. I'm a bit of a horror fan and I've always thought children make the best evil monsters. :p

So I'm thinking about the episode and it's driving me a little nuts that we know nothing about why these ice demons are back after 8,000 years. I know they're building up their army of wights, but WHY? Is something forcing them south maybe? How are they going to cross the Wall even though the children of the forest protected it with magic? I suppose it could be as simple as they just want to conquer everything. Who knows. Maybe they know about the three dragons that were born into the world, increasing their magical abilities.

And just who the hell is this horned lord? Does it mean anything that he and the other white walkers look like weirwood trees? (LOL) I kind of thought it was strange when Sam and Gilly were still north of the wall and they found that abandoned shelter to set up camp for the night. There was a weirwood right there. They walked right past its face and within a few minutes that white walker suddenly showed up to take the baby. Maybe they're tapped into the weirwood network too?

I really wonder... Are all the white walkers as evil as they seem to us? Who knows, maybe we humans are the evil ones from their PoV. I've been hoping we'd catch a glimpse of the 12 other white walkers that were standing in the background when that baby was turned into one of them. I'd love to see how they interact with each other, etc.

I'm not even sure GRRM knows. The horned lord doesn't exist in the books (that I can remember) and at the same time Coldhands doesn't exist in the show, and Coldhands is an intriguing character that really confuses the whole idea of the Others. He is possbily a lot more important a character than he seemed because of his "non-evil" nature. He may have given us a vital insight into this whole idea of R'hllor vs the Others.

There was one very brief but seemingly important line in one of the books which said basically this: ice preserves, fire consumes. Nothing good or evil there, just different aspects of opposing natural phenomena. Now consider that line with the character of Coldhands who doesn't appear evil but in fact helpful and the line between good and evil is totally blurred. Even though it's continually suggested that the hero Azor Ahai will be reborn to defeat the Others there's no clear indication of which side is good and which is evil: The Others raise the dead to kill the living and raise more dead which can almost never be considered anything but evil, but R'hllor apparently requires human sacrifice to feed the fiery power of his follower (and they are powerful) which is also almost never considered anything but evil. That's a common theme in ASOIAF - good and evil rarely exist as easily identified extremes. Ned and Jon Snow might be considered good and Joffrey and Ramsey are most certainly evil but virtually every other character is somewhere in between, like real life. Even Cersei is blurred.

Bran will most certainly have something important to do with all this but it's anyone's guess what that will be because nobody yet knows what the connection is between the weirwoods, the One-Eyed Crow, the Children of the Forest, the Others and R'hllor. Then we have to consider Lady Stoneheart, Beric Dondarrion with his numerous resurrections and his true flaming sword which sounds curiously similar to the Azor Ahai prophecy (Stannis' flaming sword is a ruse and doesn't even exist in the show), Daenerys and her dragons, what exactly happened to Volantis etc.

Over 5,000 pages and almost nothing has really happened yet. There's more questions now 5,000 pages later than there are answers and if GRRM doesn't hurry the fuck up he's gonna die before we get them.

[wts]

http://www.alphaecological.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Game-of-thrones-meme-2.jpg

[MrSparkle001]

Game Of Thrones 1995 style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fPgIIB67bw

Game Of Thrones 1990 style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjvEdXDYgY4

Winter is coming.

[Tasslehofp99]

Don't know if anyone here watches Znation, but:

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/10/george-rr-martin-zombie-z-nation

Looks like George RR martin making a cameo in it as a zombie, lol.

[wts]

Game Of Thrones 1995 style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fPgIIB67bw

Game Of Thrones 1990 style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjvEdXDYgY4

Winter is coming.

LOL

[Sirken]

https://i.imgflip.com/qo98d.jpg

I just watched "Hardhome" again. Really enjoyed some of the creepier moments, like the undead children. I'm a bit of a horror fan and I've always thought children make the best evil monsters. :p

So I'm thinking about the episode and it's driving me a little nuts that we know nothing about why these ice demons are back after 8,000 years. I know they're building up their army of wights, but WHY? Is something forcing them south maybe? How are they going to cross the Wall even though the children of the forest protected it with magic? I suppose it could be as simple as they just want to conquer everything. Who knows. Maybe they know about the three dragons that were born into the world, increasing their magical abilities.

And just who the hell is this horned lord? Does it mean anything that he and the other white walkers look like weirwood trees? (LOL) I kind of thought it was strange when Sam and Gilly were still north of the wall and they found that abandoned shelter to set up camp for the night. There was a weirwood right there. They walked right past its face and within a few minutes that white walker suddenly showed up to take the baby. Maybe they're tapped into the weirwood network too?

I really wonder... Are all the white walkers as evil as they seem to us? Who knows, maybe we humans are the evil ones from their PoV. I've been hoping we'd catch a glimpse of the 12 other white walkers that were standing in the background when that baby was turned into one of them. I'd love to see how they interact with each other, etc.

ok, so the first bit, i really think Sam will learn things about the whitewalkers at the citadel. for all we know, the whitewalkers built the wall and the story of bran the builder was fabricated. we just don't know. any of the things you mention are possible imo.

as for the "horned lord", i believe he's the leader of the whitewalkers. maybe its possible that the title of Night's King has been passed down over the generations to the current leader of the whitewalkers. some people think hes the "great other". i dunno if they are tapped into the trees, but maybe. to be fair, we really dont know whose side brynden rivers is on.

and for the last bit, i've wondered that myself. we only see and experience them from human PoV's. we've never seen their PoV, or learned their motives and reasons. but, i'd very much like to ;)

[holahouze]

Meet Samwell's family...

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/09/16/the-remaining-members-of-the-tarly-family-have-been-cast/

[Sirken]

Meet Samwell's family...

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/09/16/the-remaining-members-of-the-tarly-family-have-been-cast/

well wtf..

if hes not Euron, and hes not Sams dad, im gonna be sad if hes damphair :(

[holahouze]

well wtf..

if hes not Euron, and hes not Sams dad, im gonna be sad if hes damphair :(

Yes, wtf. Time for a re-set.

This is the WIC scuttlebutt re: Damphair...

In casting news, Watchers on the Wall reports that an unidentified actor has been cast as Aeron Greyjoy, Balon’s religiously devout brother and the guy who calls the Kingsmoot in the books. HBO’s version of the Greyjoy family tree didn’t previously include Aeron on it, so it’s unclear whether that actor is actually playing Aeron, or perhaps a different Drowned Man, the priests of the Ironborn religion. It’s also possible that, with an extra season to work with, the producers figured they had time to include secondary characters like Aeron, where before they thought them extraneous.

[Sirken]

lets assume they would have recognized Ian at least walking around the set between shoots. who the fuck else has a small but important role? maybe Oswell Whent or Gerold Hightower from the ToJ scene?

[wts]

He'd make a good damphair though.

[wts]

Good Randyll Tarly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2&v=ieEtOiAdJN4

[holahouze]

Given the parameters we've been given about McShane's role, I'm guessing this role (although i don't know who this character is book-wise):

Lord Of Noble Northern House

This may be the most crucial casting pick of all. The role is described as a “savage warrior [that] rules a distinguished house in the very far north, and the role is said to be an impactful one.” He may only be in two episodes, but it may a couple of the most important we’ve seen so far.

[Sirken]

Given the parameters we've been given about McShane's role, I'm guessing this role (although i don't know who this character is book-wise):

Lord Of Noble Northern House

This may be the most crucial casting pick of all. The role is described as a “savage warrior [that] rules a distinguished house in the very far north, and the role is said to be an impactful one.” He may only be in two episodes, but it may a couple of the most important we’ve seen so far.

maybe Wyman Manderly? a new lord Umber?

[holahouze]

maybe Wyman Manderly? a new lord Umber?

Maybe. Either way, this seems like showrunner invention, as it doesn't really fit Manderly and we've met Greatjon already. But, I do like the idea that someone in the north, a proper man of the north, will rise up and start to undermine the Boltons. They just can't leave that to Littlefinger (can they?).

Ahhh, only 8 more months...

[Sirken]

im not even sure who will rally the north together without stannis :confused:

[katrik]

im not even sure who will rally the north together without stannis :confused:

JONSNOW WILL.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kit-harington-game-thrones-will-823818?facebook_20150916

[MrSparkle001]

Given the parameters we've been given about McShane's role, I'm guessing this role (although i don't know who this character is book-wise):

Lord Of Noble Northern House

This may be the most crucial casting pick of all. The role is described as a “savage warrior [that] rules a distinguished house in the very far north, and the role is said to be an impactful one.” He may only be in two episodes, but it may a couple of the most important we’ve seen so far.

Hmm, for all we know that could be a Mormont they created for the show. It might one of those clan leaders that followed Stannis. I don't remember their names and they weren't all that important individually but in the books they're still following him to Winterfell. Maybe it's a Glover and somehow they're weaving Deepwood Motte into the show.

That's the thing: the show has gotten so far away from the books we literally have no idea who the hell this character could be.

It can't be Manderly unless they're planning on reinventing him.

[Sirken]

Hmm, for all we know that could be a Mormont they created for the show. It might one of those clan leaders that followed Stannis. I don't remember their names and they weren't all that important individually but in the books they're still following him to Winterfell. Maybe it's a Glover and somehow they're weaving Deepwood Motte into the show.

That's the thing: the show has gotten so far away from the books we literally have no idea who the hell this character could be.

It can't be Manderly unless they're planning on reinventing him.

if they are going to start creating characters its gonna really piss me off about the ones they cut

most recently Arianne Martell

[Visual]

is this show like lord of the rings pt 2

[Sidelle]

Meet Samwell's family...

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/09/16/the-remaining-members-of-the-tarly-family-have-been-cast/
Sam must have got the fat gene from the mailman.
lets assume they would have recognized Ian at least walking around the set between shoots. who the fuck else has a small but important role? maybe Oswell Whent or Gerold Hightower from the ToJ scene?
Would love to see Ser Arthur Dayne with Dawn, the Sword of the Morning.
Given the parameters we've been given about McShane's role, I'm guessing this role (although i don't know who this character is book-wise):

Lord Of Noble Northern House

This may be the most crucial casting pick of all. The role is described as a “savage warrior [that] rules a distinguished house in the very far north, and the role is said to be an impactful one.” He may only be in two episodes, but it may a couple of the most important we’ve seen so far.
Sounds like a made-up new character but I hope not.
Maybe. Either way, this seems like showrunner invention, as it doesn't really fit Manderly and we've met Greatjon already. But, I do like the idea that someone in the north, a proper man of the north, will rise up and start to undermine the Boltons. They just can't leave that to Littlefinger (can they?).

Ahhh, only 8 more months...
Yes. I want to see the Boltons die screaming.
JONSNOW WILL.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kit-harington-game-thrones-will-823818?facebook_20150916
Oh HELL YEAH. :)
if they are going to start creating characters its gonna really piss me off about the ones they cut

most recently Arianne Martell
(Nodding in agreement.)

[holahouze]

if they are going to start creating characters its gonna really piss me off about the ones they cut

most recently Arianne Martell

There's also the killing characters that are alive in the books thing... As much as we've complained about S5 Dorne, they've messed up the north pretty badly, too.

I'd love to know how that meeting between Martin and D&D went down when Martin told them they were on their own. And then, I'd like to know what D&D said among themselves right after. Epic.

[Psionide]

Imagine Tolkien was like aaaand youre on your own aaaaand people expect you to hold to the same high standard of my creativity and writing. Its just not possible. This is Martin's story not theirs so of course its not going to be as good.

[Sirken]

Imagine Tolkien was like aaaand youre on your own aaaaand people expect you to hold to the same high standard of my creativity and writing. Its just not possible. This is Martin's story not theirs so of course its not going to be as good.

it just makes me think Stannis may lose the battle for winterfell, and Barristan will die at the battle for slavers bay (in the books)

i still think stannis would make a good 1,000th commander of the nights watch. i just dont want them to waste ian mcshane. i could see Euron calling people cocksuckers like Al would. wasted opportunity imo.

and Sidelle, you should absolutely expect to see Dayne with Dawn this season. i just wonder if they will cast Sean Bean back as Ned Stark :p

[holahouze]

TOJ speculations. That castillo looks awesome, don't think Ned's pulling it down.

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/09/19/game-of-thrones-prepares-to-film-tower-of-joy-scene/

And... before i get hysterical, let me say, if i was running things @ HBO, I would keep all info re: the TOJ super secret and then drop a bomb on the audience.

But... if they screw up the TOJ i'm going to be so upset i will be standing beside myself. The 3 KG have to be there. Every line of Ned's dream has to be recited, word for word. Howland has to be there. Ned, his wraiths, and the KG have to duke it out. Lyanna has to be there. And, the secret promise has to be revealed. Carry on.

[holahouze]

This stuff is kind of "out there". Rumors would certainly signify storyline progress, but take it or leave it (i think there's only one way the Stark they reference is involved).

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/09/20/rumors-of-returning-stark-rise-out-of-the-smoke-from-saintfield-battle/

[wts]

and Sidelle, you should absolutely expect to see Dayne with Dawn this season. i just wonder if they will cast Sean Bean back as Ned Stark :p

I officially forgive them for all their fuck ups if they get ToJ right.

[wts]

"Thrones has raised eyebrows and generated pundit protest every year for its brutal depiction of a world inspired by Medieval Europe, but complaints reached a fever pitch during season 5 after a young likable character was raped and another was burned alive (a U.S. senator famously declared she was quitting Game of Thrones).

But showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss have remained stalwart throughout the saga that they’re going to remain true to creator George R.R. Martin’s world and not adjust their narrative based on fandom reactions."

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/20/game-thrones-emmys?1315&hootPostID=01a8ccb0be94a6b334a78ec6f5100ea1

Think I'm calling BS here. I'm pretty confident Sansa doesn't get raped in Winds of Winter and Shireen doesn't get burned at the stake. Unless I'm wrong, Dave and Dan need to own their shit and stop hiding behind Martin.

[Patriam1066]

"Thrones has raised eyebrows and generated pundit protest every year for its brutal depiction of a world inspired by Medieval Europe, but complaints reached a fever pitch during season 5 after a young likable character was raped and another was burned alive (a U.S. senator famously declared she was quitting Game of Thrones).

But showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss have remained stalwart throughout the saga that they’re going to remain true to creator George R.R. Martin’s world and not adjust their narrative based on fandom reactions."

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/20/game-thrones-emmys?1315&hootPostID=01a8ccb0be94a6b334a78ec6f5100ea1

Think I'm calling BS here. I'm pretty confident Sansa doesn't get raped in Winds of Winter and Shireen doesn't get burned at the stake. Unless I'm wrong, Dave and Dan need to own their shit and stop hiding behind Martin.

Agree 100% about D&D, but I do think shireen will get sacrificed. She's at the wall with sadistic Melisandre who regularly makes bad decisions.

[Sirken]

TOJ speculations. That castillo looks awesome, don't think Ned's pulling it down.

http://winteriscoming.net/2015/09/19/game-of-thrones-prepares-to-film-tower-of-joy-scene/

And... before i get hysterical, let me say, if i was running things @ HBO, I would keep all info re: the TOJ super secret and then drop a bomb on the audience.

But... if they screw up the TOJ i'm going to be so upset i will be standing beside myself. The 3 KG have to be there. Every line of Ned's dream has to be recited, word for word. Howland has to be there. Ned, his wraiths, and the KG have to duke it out. Lyanna has to be there. And, the secret promise has to be revealed. Carry on.

i have a feeling it will only be arthur dayne and ned in to ToJ scene. i dont expect HBO to cast howl....

wait.

could ian mcshane be cast as howland reed?

[Sirken]

"Thrones has raised eyebrows and generated pundit protest every year for its brutal depiction of a world inspired by Medieval Europe, but complaints reached a fever pitch during season 5 after a young likable character was raped and another was burned alive (a U.S. senator famously declared she was quitting Game of Thrones).

But showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss have remained stalwart throughout the saga that they’re going to remain true to creator George R.R. Martin’s world and not adjust their narrative based on fandom reactions."

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/20/game-thrones-emmys?1315&hootPostID=01a8ccb0be94a6b334a78ec6f5100ea1

Think I'm calling BS here. I'm pretty confident Sansa doesn't get raped in Winds of Winter and Shireen doesn't get burned at the stake. Unless I'm wrong, Dave and Dan need to own their shit and stop hiding behind Martin.

sansa wont get it, but im pretty sure shireen will be burned in book 6. lots of people have posted this theory before season 5 on the asoiaf forums and the reddit. seeing it in the show kinda just confirms it

[MrSparkle001]

wait.

could ian mcshane be cast as howland reed?

Ooh...

[LGraves]

I just read this. I wonder if it's true at all. Potential season spoiler:

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/98111352.html

[MrSparkle001]

I just read this. I wonder if it's true at all. Potential season spoiler:

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/98111352.html

Some of it is plausible, some of it is too far-fetched even for the D&D version.

This is it in more detail: http://www.thegrumpyfish.com/game-of-thrones-season-6-entire-plot-leaked-or-fan-fiction/

I mean some of it is not only plausible but I think expected.

[Sidelle]

i have a feeling it will only be arthur dayne and ned in to ToJ scene. i dont expect HBO to cast howl....

wait.

could ian mcshane be cast as howland reed?

Hmm... A relatively small role but very important...

I would be ecstatic if it's Howland Reed.
^^This. :)

[holahouze]

Some of it is plausible, some of it is too far-fetched even for the D&D version.

This is it in more detail: http://www.thegrumpyfish.com/game-of-thrones-season-6-entire-plot-leaked-or-fan-fiction/

I mean some of it is not only plausible but I think expected.

Whoa. lot of detail. bookmark it.

[beyondinfin]

^^This seems too good to be true. That and I cant tell you how many times, with a season upcoming, Id spend time trying to figure out what stoylines would show up and how the season might flow. I bet they get some things right...maybe? The part about Olly is definitely too good to be true.

[holahouze]

^^This seems too good to be true. That and I cant tell you how many times, with a season upcoming, Id spend time trying to figure out what stoylines would show up and how the season might flow. I bet they get some things right...maybe? The part about Olly is definitely too good to be true.

Yeah, but how does Olly satisfy Melisandre's King's blood jones?

[wts]

^^This. :)

^^

[wts]

If that's really the plot, this season is going to be badass.

[Sirken]

Some of it is plausible, some of it is too far-fetched even for the D&D version.

This is it in more detail: http://www.thegrumpyfish.com/game-of-thrones-season-6-entire-plot-leaked-or-fan-fiction/

I mean some of it is not only plausible but I think expected.

nice read if nothing else, ty for sharing ;)

[holahouze]

Some of it is plausible, some of it is too far-fetched even for the D&D version.

This is it in more detail: http://www.thegrumpyfish.com/game-of-thrones-season-6-entire-plot-leaked-or-fan-fiction/

I mean some of it is not only plausible but I think expected.

Lot of satisfying payback in here. Nice, but i mistrust it.

Short on detail of Jon's resurrection and following actions. I expect the Wall to be a hot mess, so I'm really looking forward to how this is fleshed out. Dying for something to rival the "Edd, fetch me a block" scene/line!!

More than anything... this makes me want the 6th book.

[Patriam1066]

More than anything... this makes me want the 6th book.

I'm taking a week off from work when TWoW is released. I plan on having zero interaction with anyone, except for the guy who will be delivering all my food for the duration.

Edit: the leak looks like a good season and a huge improvement from last (if it's true, that is). I'm with the rest of you. The Olly part doesn't make much sense and is definitely too good to be true.

[TheBiznessTZ]

Im not gonna to attempt to read all these pages of this thread.. currently reading the 3rd book on page 334. I've read a bit of your guys rumors and spoilers etc. I have a feeling people keep guessing what is gonna happen next he hears about it and go "fuck those fay gates, they aren't guessing my plot twist / ending and changes it again"