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[Eccezan]

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Guldbank Sales!

Cobalt Breastplate - 300k
Deepwater Breastplate - SOLD
Singing Steel Breastplate - SOLD
ShadowKnight Epic MQ - SOLD
Bard Epic MQ - 300k
Crimsone Robe of Alendine - 110k
Shield of the Red Dragon - 50k
Mage Epic MQ (Earth Staff) - 175k

PM offers to Eccezan on forums or here.

[Diggles]

o man o man

[Daldolma]

deep burn

[arsenalpow]

put it on the bda front page, thanks ecc

[Raavak]

Haha.

Grats BDA.

Luckily for you I was at work, otherwise my pew pew woulda won the day.

[sulious]

Thanks for the support:P

[xarzzardorn]

idgi

[Maze513]

Deepwater Breastplate - SOLD
Singing Steel Breastplate - SOLD
ShadowKnight Epic MQ - SOLD
.

No edit on RnF means they were sold when you posted this. Ecce known 1%er who wants to rub sales numbers in our faces..

/golfclap

[Tanthallas]

My private bank is larger than your guildbank. Ssry.

[Eccezan]

no 1 cares about your stupid guild bank

http://imageshack.us/a/img17/4865/guildbanklarge.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/guildbanklarge.jpg/)

haha apparently you do if you need to come here and attach an image of your dead guild's guildbank...having fun on eqmac? lol

[quido]

I miss you, Relapsee. Bring your delusions of grandeur back to p99 and entertain the folks in KC. Beeyotch.

[Eccezan]

Keep grinding those AA's, i'm glad you are enjoying your genuine classic experience!

[kbnexus]

no 1 cares about your stupid guild bank

http://imageshack.us/a/img17/4865/guildbanklarge.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/guildbanklarge.jpg/)

Thats all you had in your guild bank? we've sold more than that.

[Halfelfbard]

I went Lol, then what?

[Savok]

Feel free to give me a red and white scale for free!

[SyanideGas]

no 1 cares about your stupid guild bank

http://imageshack.us/a/img17/4865/guildbanklarge.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/guildbanklarge.jpg/)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mabjiculH91qjgxmto1_500.jpg

[Razdeline]

Eccezan mad that after all this time, tmo is still not on IB's level. (hence why you commonly see TMO attack IB although they have not been on the server for 9 months)

Have a nice day

[kbnexus]

Eccezan mad that after all this time, tmo is still not on IB's level. (hence why you commonly see TMO attack IB although they have not been on the server for 9 months)

Have a nice day

You mean how TMO goes to their forums to trash talk them? Oh wait, we don't its the other way around... dummy

[Razdeline]

lol who the fuck is this guy

[Eccezan]

Razdeline 100% confirmed possible dummy...it is known.

[Wotsirb401]

no 1 cares about your stupid guild bank

http://imageshack.us/a/img17/4865/guildbanklarge.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/guildbanklarge.jpg/)


Let me get that efreeti belt!

[Nirgon]

Hell of an early Kunark bank, I'm sure TMO isn't worried about that measily bank right now though.

Those 4 BCGs (I presume and not white wolf vox crap -- but probably is or you've made sure it showed on "show itemz") .... that's mighty fine.

[Rkahor]

Orb of Tishan... so jelly

[falkun]

TMO: We still need gear for members.
TMO: WTS BIS.
Relapse: IB Guild Bank.
TMO: We've sold more than that.
TMO: That's a tiny guild bank you have there, Relapse.

Something isn't adding up. I love all the dick waving going on here, but then saying your dick isn't big enough to get the job done just makes me LOL at your insecurities.

[Tarathiel]

something something something pixels

[kbnexus]

TMO: We still need gear for members.
TMO: WTS BIS.
Relapse: IB Guild Bank.
TMO: We've sold more than that.
TMO: That's a tiny guild bank you have there, Relapse.

Something isn't adding up. I love all the dick waving going on here, but then saying your dick isn't big enough to get the job done just makes me LOL at your insecurities.

Let me help you with the math since you seem impaired. See any Mana Robes or Donal's BP's for sale? Donal's Legs? Are we selling DHB's? Druid/ranger MQ's?

DERP

[baub]

good post i lol'd

[Diggles]

post confirmed lol worthy way to go chums.

[quido]

Unlike TR/IB, instead of banking a lot of the extra loot, we support and encourage our members in leveling up quality raiding alts by providing them with a lot of gear that would otherwise have been banked/sold/rotted. I know there were a few hella geared alts from TR/IB, but for the most part it didn't seem as widespread as it is with us these days. My monk is geared to the teeth outside of VP loot and it's really handy being able to sometimes choose which toon to bring to a raid without any resentment as to the quality of the character.

[falkun]

Let me help you with the math since you seem impaired. See any Mana Robes or Donal's BP's for sale? Donal's Legs? Are we selling DHB's? Druid/ranger MQ's?

DERP

Sorry guys, Alarti (a wizard) here needs his Donals BP and legs and his Druid and Ranger epic. Can't have wizards without Swiftwind and Earthcaller, now can we?

[quido]

Sorry guys, Alarti (a wizard) here needs his Donals BP and legs and his Druid and Ranger epic. Can't have wizards without Swiftwind and Earthcaller, now can we?

I don't get it.

[falkun]

Unlike TR/IB, instead of banking a lot of the extra loot, we support and encourage our members in leveling up quality raiding alts by providing them with a lot of gear that would otherwise have been banked/sold/rotted. I know there were a few hella geared alts from TR/IB, but for the most part it didn't seem as widespread as it is with us these days. My monk is geared to the teeth outside of VP loot and it's really handy being able to sometimes choose which toon to bring to a raid without any resentment as to the quality of the character.

And you guys gave IB shit for RMTing when they left. I can't imagine the cash that's going to swap hands when you guys finally get bored or are driven off the server. I'm sure you guys will get something out of all that /played.

[Nirgon]

Maybe when Velious comes out you guys can worry more about epic pieces cuz TMO has beaten this content to death.

With all the VP loot acquired, I think a suprising number of targets will drop in Velious day 1 from some of the raid logs I've seen posted. They just hafta gear warriors really.

[Tarathiel]

velious is a myth

[quido]

It should be really interesting to see what people can do and with how many. I'm really excited for Velious!

However I don't think AoW is gonna be dying on the first day or whatever.

[falkun]

velious is a myth

O thank god! I've still got so much to do!

[quido]

And you guys gave IB shit for RMTing when they left. I can't imagine the cash that's going to swap hands when you guys finally get bored or are driven off the server. I'm sure you guys will get something out of all that /played.

There will always be some isolated incidents of RMT - I don't deny this. However, I doubt that you will ever see a mass exodus like you did with IB and VD. You'd have to know us better to know, and if you did, you'd know that most of us are in it for the adventure and for the long haul, not to get ahead and cash in.

[Nirgon]

I mean what are they supposed to do as a top guild? Quit until Velious? Hell nah, there's farming to be done. Overfarmed content and their experience getting it every time isn't their fault.

You can call it more free time, more time invested... whatever you want. But they're very organized and have a system that works with the right people in the guild.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Everquest (through Velious) wasn't known for its instanced content. Some people like that, some people don't. The spawn variance window is too big and should at least be halved or even a much reduced chance to spawn at odd hours. That would improve the raiding scene but likely increase the demand on GMs (hello live EQ).

[kbnexus]

Sorry guys, Alarti (a wizard) here needs his Donals BP and legs and his Druid and Ranger epic. Can't have wizards without Swiftwind and Earthcaller, now can we?

You are incredibly dense. We still have unepic'd mains and plenty of mains without donals/manrobes.

[getsome]

Let me help you with the math since you seem impaired. See any Mana Robes or Donal's BP's for sale? Donal's Legs? Are we selling DHB's? Druid/ranger MQ's?

DERP

WTS -

Donal BP x4
Donal Leg x3
DHB x4
Mana Robe x3
Druid/ranger MQ x1

Pm offers, if you i like the offer I will sell it. All items in EC.

[falkun]

WTS -

Donal BP x4
Donal Leg x3
DHB x4
Mana Robe x3
Druid/ranger MQ x1

Pm offers, if you i like the offer I will sell it. All items in EC.

But, but, but, but, the TMO guild bank has WAY more items than the IB bank. How can you have items that TMO isn't even EC'ing yet? This is preposterous!!!!1!!11!eleven!

[kbnexus]

WTS -

Donal BP x4
Donal Leg x3
DHB x4
Mana Robe x3
Druid/ranger MQ x1

Pm offers, if you i like the offer I will sell it. All items in EC.

Sorry TMO doesn't support RMTers!

[Sodapop]

I know there were a few hella geared alts from TR/IB, but for the most part it didn't seem as widespread as it is with us these days.

oh i miss my alts. threefeet sodapop was an awesome char along with crazyeyes and huggie.

[Sodapop]

What getsome is saying isnt a joke. if you want those items plz contact my dad (getsome) or me, ill be in game late night when i get out at wendeys around midnight cst.

also im selling:
bloodember bp 75k, shield of green dragon 45k, gaunts of fiery might 30k, hand of reaper 14k, red dragonscale bp 30k, edge of nightwalker 80k, seb croaking dirk 14k, darkscale greaves 25k.

since its an auction thread.

[quido]

You guys selling anything on credit?! I'll buy.

I'm good for it, I promise.

[Rkahor]

WTS -

Donal BP x4
Donal Leg x3
DHB x4
Mana Robe x3
Druid/ranger MQ x1

Pm offers, if you i like the offer I will sell it. All items in EC.

Hear that guys Donals bp x4, donals leg x3.
The supply is high. I will offer 40k for a donals legs

[Nlaar]

There will always be some isolated incidents of RMT - I don't deny this. However, I doubt that you will ever see a mass exodus like you did with IB and VD. You'd have to know us better to know, and if you did, you'd know that most of us are in it for the adventure and for the long haul, not to get ahead and cash in.

I think you are assuming / simplifying the last sentence there.

[Rkahor]

also SS or it didnt happen rule

[Tarathiel]

i think its funny that this thread was meant to troll BDA but in actuality it just turned out to be another IB vs. TMO dick swinging contest.

lol pixels

[godbox]

I guess I dont understand if at somepoint are you guys gonna have your alts / mains geared with all the pre VP stuff and lay off the farm or is it just going to turn into. "yes you can have those gears you didnt earn but you need to farm sea furys for the plat". Really dont mean this as a F U tmo (anyone that knows me in game knows me better than that) I just dont get what the end game is for the "competition".

[Metallikus]

Sorry TMO doesn't support RMTers!

Does TMO fully support Nizzler's RMT? Days after TMO busts him out for RMT, they guildinvite him.

Wow I just read this giant shitpile of a thread

Lets change the topic to RMT.

How much did that AON and Tobrins cost you Nizzler at lvl 6 new to the server.


http://i.imgur.com/GhSpB.png


[Mon Apr 02 17:30:29 2012] Nizzler tells you, 'hey there REDACTED, i just started on the server as a cleric, I came back from eq1 as a 60 cleric bad in kunark days and I was wondering if you're guild was looking for long term clerics for raids'[/b]
[Mon Apr 02 17:30:58 2012] You told Nizzler, 'certainly are looking for motivated long term clerics'
[Mon Apr 02 17:31:05 2012] Players in EverQuest:
[Mon Apr 02 17:31:05 2012] ---------------------------
[Mon Apr 02 17:31:05 2012] [6 Cleric] Nizzler (Dwarf) ZONE: qeytoqrg
[Mon Apr 02 17:31:05 2012] There is 1 player in EverQuest.

9 RL days later, Nizzler is asking my monk for PL and is level 34.
[Wed Apr 11 13:25:48 2012] Nizzler tells you, 'hey REDACTED, you plvlin for pp sir??'
[Wed Apr 11 13:28:34 2012] [34 Cleric] Nizzler (Dwarf) ZONE: freportn LFG

Little over 2 weeks later:
[Sat Apr 28 12:44:40 2012] [52 Vicar] Nizzler (Dwarf) LFG

3 weeks later:
[Tue May 22 14:27:06 2012] Nizzler says out of character, '57 cleric lfg'

2 weeks later:
[Tue Jun 05 16:25:03 2012] [60 High Priest] Nizzler (Dwarf)

[Autotune]

Does TMO fully support Nizzler's RMT? Days after TMO busts him out for RMT, they guildinvite him.

someone created a RMT forum account with the same name as a guy that plays on P99, yet never posted or created a thread on there and yet he is confirmed RMT'r?

never seen that one before....

[Eccezan]

young BDA conspiracy theorists

[kbnexus]

Does TMO fully support Nizzler's RMT? Days after TMO busts him out for RMT, they guildinvite him.

Another example that you are not capable of rational thought. This is not evidence. Anyone coulf have made that account, maybe you did to discredit him. Now if I was to believe that on vitriolic faith without fact i'd be just like you.

[Metallikus]

Another example that you are not capable of rational thought. This is not evidence. Anyone coulf have made that account, maybe you did to discredit him. Now if I was to believe that on vitriolic faith without fact i'd be just like you.

it was Tiggles' research.

The RMT account and the character on p99 were created on the same date back in April and it was only months later that both were seemingly connected.

Anyways, to say TMO doesn't support RMT was the most ridonculous statement of the thread. That was only one of the more obvious of many examples of the possibility and it was researched by one of your own only days before recruiting the dude.

[Ele]

it was Tiggles' research.

The RMT account and the character on p99 were created on the same date back in April and it was only months later that both were seemingly connected.

Anyways, to say TMO doesn't support RMT was the most ridonculous statement of the thread. That was only one of the more obvious of many examples of the possibility and it was researched by one of your own only days before recruiting the dude.

Hold up there partner! You're equating one person's unproven actions with an entire guild's behavior and policy? One person who you haven't proved anything about? One person you can't even substantiate is the same as that account that has zero posts?

That's quite the leap in logic, but who are we kidding? Look at who I'm quoting.

Keep farming that Ragefire. You'll need all the plat you can afford so you can buy your gear from us once Velious comes out.

[Frieza_Prexus]

TMO's stance is that is that anyone caught selling is summarily booted. Buyers are generally caught long after the fact.

In the latter case, for a number of reasons, the policy has become a second offense (buying after a warning) will equate to a boot. Further, at no point will the guild advocate on a person's behalf with the GMs if they are caught buying. The reasoning behind this is that if they're going to risk their own cash on this, losing the money and the character is enough punishment.

Some flat out didn't care, others felt no action should be taken against the person whatsoever, and others still wanted a RL witch hunt. In the end, it settled down to this.

To say that TMO encourages RMT is untrue. In the end, we settled on that. There is no moral culpability in RMTing. It is bad form and the leadership feels this policy is adequate and appropriate.

I tend to concur.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Once again, Elethia and have have parallel thought patterns. Can anyone tell we're related?

[Tarathiel]

people pay real money for pixels? fucking retards

[Ele]

people pay real money for pixels? fucking retards

..

[Nirgon]

people pay real money for pixels? fucking retards

The unskilled will do almost anything to acquire the items that make them feel like a somebody.

[Autotune]

people pay real money for pixels? fucking retards

technically everyone that plays, pays for the pixels.

Unless your light-bills and internet fees are non-existant.

[quido]

penis

[Nivar Quartz]

Rich people tell you how poor they are, poor people tell you how rich they are.

[godbox]

gear = skill?
also theres skill in eq?

amount of gear (skill) probly doesnt have much to do with how much time you have to play.
probly

[Alawen]

I can't believe I have to post this, but I'm going to repeat this truism for those of you who don't understand why anyone would pay for items they want in game:

Time is money.

That's not philosophical or metaphysical. It's fact. All of the physical items you think of as wealth are made from minerals, plant fibers and animal products. None of those things in their raw form are worth much when they're buried in the ground or in the middle of a jungle. Their value is determined by the human effort required to retrieve and refine them.

Can you think of an example of that last part? No, I didn't think so. Never mind.

[Sodapop]

That's not philosophical or metaphysical.

actually it's pixels. pixels rule the world. until you have experienced it, it will not make cents.

[Tasslehofp99]

Hai guys

[Jacquouille]

I'm laughing at the sore TMOs itt.

You guys are still playing eq, on p99, in itself, this is an achievement.

When velious comes out, will you guys seriously have the will/energy/patience to fight against us after turning in circles for years !?

Why cant yall be cool like us all , ehhhh

[Tarathiel]

I can't believe I have to post this, but I'm going to repeat this truism for those of you who don't understand why anyone would pay for items they want in game:

Time is money.

That's not philosophical or metaphysical. It's fact. All of the physical items you think of as wealth are made from minerals, plant fibers and animal products. None of those things in their raw form are worth much when they're buried in the ground or in the middle of a jungle. Their value is determined by the human effort required to retrieve and refine them.

Can you think of an example of that last part? No, I didn't think so. Never mind.

"hey look that guy is so good at this game, look at all the gear he skillfully bought with his credit card, look at that toon that he payed someone else to pay for him, he is so good, how can i be that good?"

or

"hey that guild is best guild on the server, do you see all those accounts they RMTed that takes real skill, they just completely annihilated their competition with they phat pay-pal lewts"

do you see where im going with this? RMT makes it to where even the most worthless guilds and players can acquire the best loot in the game, with zero effort. and before you say "but but, time is money" which is absolutely correct except in regards to this game where people think time/money = skill, which couldnt be further from the truth

[Tarathiel]

basically what im trying to say is RMT encourages shitty players to stay shitty. im sick of having to tell druids which spell to use to evac me to ej, or telling clerics when to CH.

[arsenalpow]

i thought the risk of supporting RMT was that Sony/Verant shuts down the server because it becomes a profitable situation

[Alawen]

"hey look that guy is so good at this game, look at all the gear he skillfully bought with his credit card, look at that toon that he payed someone else to pay for him, he is so good, how can i be that good?"

or

"hey that guild is best guild on the server, do you see all those accounts they RMTed that takes real skill, they just completely annihilated their competition with they phat pay-pal lewts"

do you see where im going with this? RMT makes it to where even the most worthless guilds and players can acquire the best loot in the game, with zero effort. and before you say "but but, time is money" which is absolutely correct except in regards to this game where people think time/money = skill, which couldnt be further from the truth

Do you understand the concept of false dichotomy? You present two possibilities here; they probably say more about your personality than anything else. You want to be recognized for your EQ skills. Good luck with that, backstab, backstab, backstab.

Consider this possibility: I am a young doctor. I used to be a struggling college student back in the day. I had time on my hands and a ranger with a cloak of flames and epics.

Now I make $300,000 a year, but I'm exhausted when I come home from work. I want to mess around on that ranger again, but I sure don't want to stare at empty boss spawns or respond to someone else paging me to log in. For less than I make in two hours, I can have my cloak and swords. I don't care if you're impressed with them. I just want them and I have the assets to easily obtain them and now I have them. Sometimes I just sit at character select and smile at my recreated ranger. Ah, the memories.

This is one of limitless scenarios for RMT that have nothing to do with your simplified e-peen stuff. I don't actually expect you to be able to grasp this. I sure am impressed that you have a rogue epic, though.

[deneauth]

Bottom line is RMT is wrong, and can harm the project, it doesn't matter if you can afford the money and not the time. That's not the point.

[Tarathiel]

Do you understand the concept of false dichotomy? You present two possibilities here; they probably say more about your personality than anything else. You want to be recognized for your EQ skills. Good luck with that, backstab, backstab, backstab.

Consider this possibility: I am a young doctor. I used to be a struggling college student back in the day. I had time on my hands and a ranger with a cloak of flames and epics.

Now I make $300,000 a year, but I'm exhausted when I come home from work. I want to mess around on that ranger again, but I sure don't want to stare at empty boss spawns or respond to someone else paging me to log in. For less than I make in two hours, I can have my cloak and swords. I don't care if you're impressed with them. I just want them and I have the assets to easily obtain them and now I have them. Sometimes I just sit at character select and smile at my recreated ranger. Ah, the memories.

This is one of limitless scenarios for RMT that have nothing to do with your simplified e-peen stuff. I don't actually expect you to be able to grasp this. I sure am impressed that you have a rogue epic, though.

who's doing the dick swinging in this conversation? i like how you felt the need to direct your response as a personal dig towards me.(ya my main is a rogue, and a damn sexy one at that) but look bro noone gives a fuck about how much money you make or how you can transfer that money into pixels, my point is that RMT creates an unlevel playing field at best. and an unskilled playerbase at worst. ya i know this game requires very little effort besides "backstab, backstab, backstab." i mean technically the situation that you described(your RL) is alot more pathetic than the example i presented(just some shit that i made up on the spot) but whatever man to each their own, have fun jacking off to your RMTed ranger.

[Tarathiel]

and furthermore why the fuck are you even on this shit if you make 300k a year, fuckin a man go buy some coke and snort if off some hookers ass in your lambo you big baller

[Loly Taa]

I'm glad they lifted the RnF ban Tarath, I was getting bored of just seeing you rage at your own guild for sucking on their forums.

[Alarti0001]

and furthermore why the fuck are you even on this shit if you make 300k a year, fuckin a man go buy some coke and snort if off some hookers ass in your lambo you big baller

LOL why would anyone buy a lambo? and there are plenty of broke fucks doing coke.

[Tarathiel]

LOL why would anyone buy a lambo? and there are plenty of broke fucks doing coke.

lol why would anyone buy pixels? and if broke people are doing coke then thats prolly why they are still broke, should switch to crystal meth imo, cheaper and more bang for the buck

[Alarti0001]

lol why would anyone buy pixels? and if broke people are doing coke then thats prolly why they are still broke, should switch to crystal meth imo, cheaper and more bang for the buck

why does anyone by snickers bars?

[Tarathiel]

why does anyone by snickers bars?

because they are hungry and cant wait....


fuck

[Thatguy05]

and furthermore why the fuck are you even on this shit if you make 300k a year, fuckin a man go buy some coke and snort if off some hookers ass in your lambo you big baller



lol everyone of this guys posts screams nerdrage

[Tarathiel]

lol everyone of this guys posts screams nerdrage

no, i just say fuck alot

[Alawen]

who's doing the dick swinging in this conversation? i like how you felt the need to direct your response as a personal dig towards me.(ya my main is a rogue, and a damn sexy one at that) but look bro noone gives a fuck about how much money you make or how you can transfer that money into pixels, my point is that RMT creates an unlevel playing field at best. and an unskilled playerbase at worst. ya i know this game requires very little effort besides "backstab, backstab, backstab." i mean technically the situation that you described(your RL) is alot more pathetic than the example i presented(just some shit that i made up on the spot) but whatever man to each their own, have fun jacking off to your RMTed ranger.

You're not too sharp, are you Tarathiel? There's this concept called a hypothetical situation. Are you ready? Here's your hint:

I am not a young doctor.

Incidentally, we've grouped before and I think you're an okay rogue except for all the disconnects. You stay at your keyboard, press your backstab and you come back after you lag out. Sometimes you even drag a corpse without dying yourself or anything! Well played, sir!

[Tarathiel]

I am not a young doctor.


i never would have guessed.

detecting sarcasm isnt one of your finer points is it? youre an ok cleric tho, pretty solid ch's and can med like a champ

[Tarathiel]

this conversation is getting boring, lets switch it up

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr206/jasonblanke/chick.jpg

[Alarti0001]

ITT I look like a fool here is a chick pic.

[Barkingturtle]

Really sad thread all around. Would read again.

[deneauth]

Thread is beyond sad and pathetic for that matter. Right on par for RNF for the past 8 months.

[Tarathiel]

i think RMT is lame therefore i am a fool

[deneauth]

RMT is a real problem, but until the project is completely shut down it will not be taken seriously apparently.

[Alawen]

RMT is a real problem, but until the project is completely shut down it will not be taken seriously apparently.

I don't think you've successfully made the case for the festering cancer of RMT. It doesn't seem to dominate the game as far as I can see. The high end raids and camps seem to be dominated by the #1 guild and a handful of particularly clever or persistent farmers. This is different from live how?

[deneauth]

It isn't any different, but does it make if anymore right? That's my case. My case is that no matter what, significant or not RMT is wrong. That's it. Technically speaking it can infact make the server cease to exist if the proper people caught wind of if. I don't care if it happens, it doesn't affect me one iota.

[Alawen]

So it's a HUGE problem, and there could be DIRE consequences! But it's pretty much like every MMO ever, you have no evidence of any particular concentration here and you don't actually care, but you're here to explain the moral corruption of someone buying or selling virtual toys?

[deneauth]

Just voicing my opinion, much like you are. I just said it doesn't affect me at all. But I am all for a good argument. You still haven't said I am wrong. I am not saying its a huge problem, please quote me saying it was. It's just against the rules, there is no grey area on the matter.

[Tarathiel]

look at all these people white knighting for rmt, i wonder why that is....

[Alawen]

I do think you're wrong. I think RMT is a minor issue on the server as a whole and I think the number of people who care about it all are very small.

That was pretty impressive, Tarathiel; you managed to stretch a metaphor until it broke (white knight? really?) at the same time you made a baseless and generalized accusation. In my experience, it's the people who espouse the purity of their own values who are generally pulling shady shit behind closed doors.

In other news, I heard that at least three of the scarce level 60 players in BDA quit today.

[Tarathiel]

That was pretty impressive, Tarathiel; you managed to stretch a metaphor until it broke (white knight? really?) at the same time you made a baseless and generalized accusation. In my experience, it's the people who espouse the purity of their own values who are generally pulling shady shit behind closed doors.



i dont know what else you would call it, its wrong, and you guys are defending it like some fat chick you wanna bang. baseless generalization? i think not, its pretty well known that when a certain raiding guild left this server their competition bought up all their toons. the paypal logs have been posted numerous times. and as far as me being shady thats just funny, i have one toon on this server that is 60 that i have played since the start(my highest lvl alt is lvl 38), and all of my gear i got the old fashioned way. thanks for paying attention tho

[canker]

i dont know what else you would call it, its wrong, and you guys are defending it like some fat chick you wanna bang. baseless generalization? i think not, its pretty well known that when a certain raiding guild left this server their competition bought up all their toons. the paypal logs have been posted numerous times. and as far as me being shady thats just funny, i have one toon on this server that is 60 that i have played since the start(my highest lvl alt is lvl 38), and all of my gear i got the old fashioned way. thanks for paying attention tho

you do realize the accounts/items were bought in platinum and then the platinum was RMT'd, right?

[Tarathiel]

you do realize the accounts/items were bought in platinum and then the platinum was RMT'd, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_%28legal_term%29

whatever the case may be, your guilds actions put the entire server at risk

[quido]

Lol shut the fuck up, Tarathiel.

[Alawen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_%28legal_term%29

whatever the case may be, your guilds actions put the entire server at risk

You're currently engaged in something called equivocation. First, you have introduced the concept of "wrong." This can be taken as meaning incorrect or as immoral. There is no correct or incorrect way to play a game. That's a ludicrous concept. If you want to talk about things being moral or immoral based on arbitrary rule sets, then this entire project has problems, because, as has been pointed out, the project violates the Sony EULA.

The next thing you're confused about is the different between civil law and criminal law. A civil dispute is not a crime. If we have a contract and one of us breaks it and there's a lawsuit, neither of us is a criminal regardless of who wins the civil action.

A little bit of learning is a dangerous thing.

[Tarathiel]

You're currently engaged in something called equivocation. First, you have introduced the concept of "wrong." This can be taken as meaning incorrect or as immoral. There is no correct or incorrect way to play a game. That's a ludicrous concept. If you want to talk about things being moral or immoral based on arbitrary rule sets, then this entire project has problems, because, as has been pointed out, the project violates the Sony EULA.

The next thing you're confused about is the different between civil law and criminal law. A civil dispute is not a crime. If we have a contract and one of us breaks it and there's a lawsuit, neither of us is a criminal regardless of who wins the civil action.

A little bit of learning is a dangerous thing.

im not introducing any new concept here, RMT is against the rules here and it was against the rules in live(until they decided to capitalize on it themselves with the F2P sub model). the real kicker here is that the same people white knighting it up for RMTers are the same ones that claim you have to "earn" your pixels in the raid scene.

your hypocrisy has not gone unnoticed =p

[Paumad]

I salute you, young crusader. But I believe Jeremy has a strong point.

[Alawen]

im not introducing any new concept here, RMT is against the rules here and it was against the rules in live(until they decided to capitalize on it themselves with the F2P sub model). the real kicker here is that the same people white knighting it up for RMTers are the same ones that claim you have to "earn" your pixels in the raid scene.

your hypocrisy has not gone unnoticed =p

You make very little sense on an ongoing basis and you deliberately resist new information. You're going to die stupid. Probably fat, too.

[Alarti0001]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_%28legal_term%29

whatever the case may be, your guilds actions put the entire server at risk

no more so than your guild.

[Alawen]

If you have this absolute sense of right and wrong, how do you get past the fact that this entire project breaks violates Sony's EULA and the fact that you downloaded the Titanium client from Pirate Bay?

I'm going to propose that one of us is definitely a hypocrite.

[Tarathiel]

u mad bro??

[Alawen]

u mad bro??

Nice response. Think of that all by yourself?

[Tarathiel]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=u%20mad%3F

i had a little help

[Alawen]

1. u mad?

An attempt to mock someone for being angry or annoyed, often used by trolls or just dickheads in a cheap attempt to make their target more angry.

[Tarathiel]

u lose any hierophant cloaks lately?

[Alawen]

I did last week, actually. The guy who won it had been contributing in the group. He didn't get lost in the maze a single time and I never had to cast rez on him three times before he was paying attention and took one of them. He wasn't a pet class, but I bet if he was, he wouldn't have spent half an hour following the group around without a pet. I congratulated him.

He was a much better player than Skarry, the fucking retard who is an officer in your shitbucket of a guild.

[Eccezan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessory_%28legal_term%29

whatever the case may be, your guilds actions put the entire server at risk

http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/Joseph-Ducreux-on-haters.gif

[Alarti0001]

u lose any hierophant cloaks lately?

lol someone is petty !

[Alawen]

http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/Joseph-Ducreux-on-haters.gif

EZboard not so EZ.

(It's going to make me so happy if someone remembers that reference.)

[Sodapop]

lol someone is petty !

I remember the first hierophant cloak on the server, it was mine. I sure miss that sucker.

[Tarathiel]

I did last week, actually.

sucks man, why dont u just rmt one?

[Alawen]

sucks man, why dont u just rmt one?

I'm way too cheap. I think I'll throw up and then go to bed now.

[deneauth]

Which part was I wrong about though, the part where RMT is not a big issue, the part where I don't care or the part where RMT is against the rules?

[Alawen]

Which part was I wrong about though, the part where RMT is not a big issue, the part where I don't care or the part where RMT is against the rules?

Our differences in opinion are in the significance of RMT to the server and the use of words like right and wrong when discussing the problem.

I think there is certainly RMT activity. Someone will always feel clever by turning their hobby into a $2 an hour job. Someone else will be that desperate or living in a deflated economy where $2 an hour isn't so bad. On this server, we don't have large numbers of anonymous players who do nothing but farm and sell the proceeds. I wasn't around for the IB departure, but I suspect there was some overstatement of their net proceeds as a face-saving gesture. I find it very difficult to believe that there are enough buyers for a large and on-going RMT market. I would guess that the typical buyer will spend $50 or $100 on some platinum, but that there aren't enough of those for anyone to be making thousands a month. The numbers just don't work.

As for trying to turn this into a moral issue, that has always been absurd. EverQuest is a game, a toy. Verant/Sony sold it to us and charged us a monthly fee. Their attempt to dictate how we could use that toy and what we could do with it when we lost interest was always legally questionable. Can I sell you a car and tell you that you have to buy my brand of tires or the car will be remotely disabled? Can I sell you a pair of jeans and force you to buy a new pair every month or the originals will somehow become shabby? Those are the sort of business practices covered by the RICO act and those practices ARE legally criminal. People go to jail for that.

The Sony EULA is an example of a shrink-wrap license--we couldn't see it until after we bought the game and it was confirmed by a couple of clicks, not by a signature. That creates a really fuzzy contract with a lot of major holes.

Now we come to the legal questions surrounding all of these emulator servers. Do they infringe on copyrights? Will the portions of the EULA regarding reverse engineering hold up in court? To further complicate matters, there are countries which specifically prohibit some of these strategies. If I go reverse engineer your software in NoEULAstan, am I breaking any laws if I then sell it or give it away to Americans? What if I'm a citizen of NoEULAstan? Laws even vary from state to state within the U.S. and there are conflicting precedents about many software licensing practices. There has been no court decision about whether EULAs are generally enforceable.

What is undeniably illegal is downloading the Titanium client from a non-Sony source. It's piracy.

At the end of this twisted and ill-defined road of contract law and intellectual property, we come to the moral question of selling P99 platinum. Is it clear cut enough to call it right or wrong? I say no. If we are discussing facts, what we can say with confidence that it is against server rules and that it exposes both buyer and seller to banning and loss of virtual assets in excess of the actual RMT transaction. It then becomes a consideration of risk versus reward. The risk would seem higher for the seller in most cases, making the decision to sell virtual goods even more questionable.

There is apparently some level of RMT here in the shady underbelly of Project 1999. Unless there are a couple very wealthy guys making an awful lot of purchases, the likelihood of that volume being significant in terms of total dollars is very low. Attempting to frame the issue in moral terms is just silly; Jesus doesn't care if you sell platinum or cheat at solitaire.

[Calabee]

meow

[deneauth]

I agree with everything you just said. I was only taking it as far as being a bannable offense though. You went pretty in depth here. All I am really trying to say is it doesn't matter all that much if RMT happens on his server because its difficult to catch a transaction in game and hen you have to determine If the items or platinum changing hands was purchased with real money or not. To be honest i dont know how one would go about proving it to begin with. Technically speaking real money transactions can mess with he in game economy and if by some off chance some official caught wind of it the project can be shut down but of course I don't expect that to happen. Morally speaking i would not do it because I think its wrong but the risk of getting caught is extremely low so if others want to do it I won't judge them. If I ever did some how stumble anon a RMT transaction which I could prove I would report it though.

[deneauth]

Typing from my HTC Thunderbolt my apologies for the spelling. More damn you auto correct moments.

[Alawen]

I'm really damned hungover so incapable of doing much beyond typing at the moment.

I'm still stuck on your use of the word "wrong." That implies a judgment that I think just doesn't apply to how someone plays a video game. Is griefing on a PVP server right or wrong? I don't think that's possible. It's not real. The guy getting griefed can log out at any moment he chooses.

I also think a judgment like that requires some insane level of cognitive dissonance; if you're going to be a hardcore absolute moralist, you can't play on this server because of the reverse engineering and downloaded client that make it possible.

[deneauth]

I hear you on the hangover, I watched MSU lose one depressing game against Notre Dame last night while getting hammered and discussing RMT haha. I am not some crazy moral person who simplifies everything into rights or wrongs, by wrong I just simply meant against the rules. Eat some pancakes and drink some gatorade and feel better man. Talk to you later

[Barkingturtle]

RMT is wrong because the means for acquiring and growing the wealth of your character are all provided in-game. Essentially, RMT is analogous to employing third-party programs to influence the game in ways the developers did not intend. In this case, the third party program is "Putting on something other than your jizz-stained sweatpants and getting a fucking job".

[Safon]

Gotta agree that RMT letting shitty players get the best lewt/characters is lame. I like earning what I have in games, seeing scrubs (who may be great people otherwise, but still) sporting the same things that a skilled player has detracts heavily from a game, just in my opinion.

Don't have the freedom to put in the time? Well, that's life, it will happen to all of us sooner or later. I'm a student for now, and I really hope that once I'm graduated with a job I won't be buying up characters and gear with real money.

[SyanideGas]

I did last week, actually. The guy who won it had been contributing in the group. He didn't get lost in the maze a single time and I never had to cast rez on him three times before he was paying attention and took one of them. He wasn't a pet class, but I bet if he was, he wouldn't have spent half an hour following the group around without a pet. I congratulated him.

He was a much better player than Skarry, the fucking retard who is an officer in your shitbucket of a guild.

Well with one cleric in the group, im pretty sure you're aware of the fact that its probably your fault if someone dies. Can't really evade on a mage brah. Was staring at the screen the whole time and never saw a rez box pop up once until the group told you I was still dead... Also, when you get rezzed im pretty sure you're oom and can't summon a pet for a few mins, so I was following yall around till I had mana to summon one.

So if you wanna put me on the spot, atleast know what you're talking about.

[Tarathiel]

wall of text defending RMT and the shit bags who do it

[Alawen]

All of these comments continue to manifest hyperbole and moral outrage. Let's look at this mathematically.

P99 platinum seems to sell for somewhere between $2 and $3 per 1K. This might be slightly off; I could only find one advertised price easily, so if someone wants to argue that it's higher or lower than that I don't really have a response.

Now let's outfit a character with best in slot droppables. This is very class dependent and melee characters will generally cost much more than casters and epic multiquests are available for quite a few characters. I have in mind items like Kunark breastplate and legs, hierophant's cloak, cloak of flames, runed bolster belt, manastone, cobalt bracer, fungi. Depending on class, the bill is going to be in the neighborhood of 300K to 600K, and it's very easy to go much higher than that. If we use an average of $2.50 per 1K, we're talking about $750 to $1500. That does not include the cost of a character or having one powerleveled.

It wouldn't surprise me if this has happened in the history of the server, but does anyone actually think this is common? I don't think I've ever run into anyone like that. Furthermore, it's entirely possible for someone to farm that platinum on a caster and create a melee class which they are less than proficient with, so encountering such a character doesn't inherently reflect RMT.

I think the common scenario is much more like what I referenced earlier: some guy starts on the server by spending $50 or $100 to buy something like 20-50K platinum. This is certainly an advantage over rusty long sword, but it's not game-breaking. That'll buy some mid-range weapons and armor and a haste item or progress toward a full spell book.

The comparison to third party software is interesting. It's certainly an unequal advantage in the same way, but it doesn't significantly change actual game play, so that feeling of immersion is unchanged. I do not, however, expect that competence in game is strongly correlated with buying or not buying platinum. Plenty of people suck on their own and I've seen some really awful players get geared up by raid guilds because of class scarcity, persistence or luck.

I suspect that what's driving most of the indignation toward RMT is that people not as financially successful in life would like to have equal footing to compete for the top in this virtual environment. Unfortunately, I don't think life works that way. Money is, by definition, fungible. Rich kids get better equipment, more opportunities, private training, and countless other advantages in almost every activity except running, where naked Kenyans kick everyone's ass.

Personally, I think of this as playing with toys. If I'm into flying kites and Frank builds a really good kite and then sells it to Tim, I'm not going to get too upset that Tim's kite is better than mine. I could not give even half a shit if you have your epic and I don't.

Now sell me your hiero cloak.

[Alawen]

Well with one cleric in the group, im pretty sure you're aware of the fact that its probably your fault if someone dies. Can't really evade on a mage brah. Was staring at the screen the whole time and never saw a rez box pop up once until the group told you I was still dead... Also, when you get rezzed im pretty sure you're oom and can't summon a pet for a few mins, so I was following yall around till I had mana to summon one.

So if you wanna put me on the spot, atleast know what you're talking about.

You mean like the time you ran the wrong way through the maze and died as you trained us in the crypt because you were afk again? Yeah, sorry I couldn't save your ass from that.

What you don't know is that three of us were bitching about you the entire time you were in the group. One of them was vocal in asking you if you were there repeatedly when you didn't send your pet. I am beginning to suspect that you suck so bad that you don't realize most of us play in third person and we can see everything going on in the camp at all times, including your failure to summon a pet, to send it in to melee or to nuke.

You suck, Skarry. You're a terrible player.

[Tarathiel]

eq was not designed to be a pay to play game(until much much later) therefore any means of procuring pixels outside of the parameters set forth by verant (camp/raid, kill, loot) is not only bad for immersion but its bad for the in-game economy. if you dont care about that kind of shit, the just remember, its again the p99 server rules. i want to continue to play on this server, people who RMT put that at risk, and im sorry but i dont want to lose all the time ive invested into this server because some lazy asshole cant camp his items or lvl up his own toons like the rest of us

[Alawen]

Can you even read? I'm not promoting or defending RMT. I started out explaining a scenario where the motivation to do it would make sense and I'm questioning its prevalence and the appropriateness of moral judgments about it.

I don't think it's even close to a clear cut moral issue. I would compare it to smoking pot. Smoking pot is against the rules. Does smoking pot make someone morally reprehensible? I don't think so. I think the law is fairly arbitrary. The pot smoker faces possible disadvantages and it is up to him to evaluate that risk and make his decision. RMT is pretty comparable. It's against the rules and if you get busted, it's your problem if you get caught.

Every post you make is loaded with tremendous logical fallacies, both formal and informal. They make you appear quite dim. What a shame.

[Tarathiel]

and to be quite frank, alawen. your blind reasoning on this matter only makes you look like an RMTer trying to justify his own actions. stop playing rules lawyer for the shit bags that are dragging this server into the ground

[Tarathiel]

I don't think it's even close to a clear cut moral issue. I would compare it to smoking pot. Smoking pot is against the rules. Does smoking pot make someone morally reprehensible? I don't think so. I think the law is fairly arbitrary. The pot smoker faces possible disadvantages and it is up to him to evaluate that risk and make his decision. RMT is pretty comparable. It's against the rules and if you get busted, it's your problem if you get caught.



smoking pot is legal(well decriminalized, or legal depending on medical status) where i live so your point is invalid

[Alarti0001]

and to be quite frank, alawen. your blind reasoning on this matter only makes you look like an RMTer trying to justify his own actions. stop playing rules lawyer for the shit bags that are dragging this server into the ground

This post shows a complete lack of reasoning. You are very good at assumption and accusation....not so strong on thinking though.
Sad

[Alawen]

eq was not designed to be a pay to play game(until much much later) therefore any means of procuring pixels outside of the parameters set forth by verant (camp/raid, kill, loot) is not only bad for immersion but its bad for the in-game economy. if you dont care about that kind of shit, the just remember, its again the p99 server rules. i want to continue to play on this server, people who RMT put that at risk, and im sorry but i dont want to lose all the time ive invested into this server because some lazy asshole cant camp his items or lvl up his own toons like the rest of us

The server has been online for almost three years now. As far as I can tell, there has been the same low level of RMT for that entire time. It might surprise to you to learn that some of the founding members of Inglourious Basterds voluntarily quit when RMT was banned more than two years ago. RMT has always been around and will always be around despite your hysterics and name-calling.

If a cease and desist letter shuts down P99, it will likely be due to intellectual property problems, either reverse engineering the server or theft of the client software. If that were going to happen, it probably would have happened by now. I suspect there are powers that be within Sony who look fondly on this project. Nilbog and his crew are making a reasonable effort to keep RMT at a minimum; it is very comparable to the efforts Sony made. Your hyperbole does not make your arguments any more cohesive or credible.

[Alawen]

and to be quite frank, alawen. your blind reasoning on this matter only makes you look like an RMTer trying to justify his own actions. stop playing rules lawyer for the shit bags that are dragging this server into the ground

More hyperbole, baseless accusations and name calling.

If you can't tell, I think pretty highly of myself. I certainly wouldn't grind away at this game to RMT for some fraction of minimum wage. If you recall, I originally stated that time is money. When I have extra cash, I spend it on supplies for sculpture and photography. My current situation excludes me from both sides of RMT, but that does not prevent me from examining the issue philosophically.

Your insults are weak and sad.

[Tarathiel]

Sad

lol that sad thing is you guys still havent caught on to the fact that im just being contradictory for the sake of being contradictory

i guess i just let the cat out of the bag =p

[Alawen]

lol that sad thing is you guys still havent caught on to the fact that im just being contradictory for the sake of being contradictory

i guess i just let the cat out of the bag =p

The last refuge of the incompetent: pretend your ignorance and stupidity are affectations.

[Tarathiel]

The last refuge of the incompetent: pretend your ignorance and stupidity are affectations.

your big words have no affectations on me good sir!

[Tarathiel]

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr206/jasonblanke/towellie.jpg

[Thatguy05]

Ive got more entertainment from two flies fucking. You guys are boring as fuck.


RMT RMT BLAH BLAH BLAH RMT RMT, [insert big word here] OYAH RMT?

Im a dimwit fucktard faggot that rages in every post, oyah.. u mad bro??

[Tarathiel]

something something something flies fucking something

[deneauth]

If something like RMT ever threatened the existence of this server I have to believe Nilbog and crew would lay down the hammer to protect their server anyway. Until that day comes just relax and show the rmters that they can buy items but not skill by being a better player than them.

[William_Munny15]

This post shows a complete lack of reasoning. You are very good at assumption and accusation....not so strong on thinking though.
Sad

haha coming from you? FUUCCCKKKK that's funny

[deneauth]

Careful man, don't dis an internet tough guy, he might try to make you feel bad.

[knix]

Careful man, don't dis an internet tough guy, he might try to make you feel bad.

So true

[quido]

God Tarathiel is dense. It's really pathetic - are you sure you're not manic?

So tell me, Tarathiel, what exactly are you accusing us of with regards to RMT? I only skim your posts, but yeah, are you accusing us of building up our force by spending real money, or are you accusing us of selling off the spoils of victory for real money in our own pockets? Please be specific.

Anyone who really knows TMO (internally or externally) knows that the inherent mindset of our people stands in contrast to RMT. We don't want to buy our way in, and once we get there, we don't want to sell out. Accusations otherwise are baseless, without merit, and probably from the mouth of some disgruntled idiot.

[Tarathiel]

its RNF OMG

[quido]

Answer my question you cretin.

[Tarathiel]

what question?

[Crazyeye]

what question?

Why didn't u compete in rogue botb? Woulda loved to rip you a new asshole, if u coulda made it past the 1st round

[Crazyeye]

oh i miss my alts. threefeet sodapop was an awesome char along with crazyeyes and huggie.

Oh and hi pops

[Alarti0001]

haha coming from you? FUUCCCKKKK that's funny

do explain? or are you just demonstrating accusations without a basis of reasoned thought.

[Tarathiel]

Why didn't u compete in rogue botb?

because eq pvp is a joke, stop the blind hate bro

[Tanthallas]

do explain? or are you just demonstrating accusations without a basis of reasoned thought.

Why are you so stupid.

[Nirgon]

because eq pvp is a joke, stop the blind hate bro

I resent that remark

[Alarti0001]

Why are you so stupid.

ooo tell me how!?

[Sodapop]

Oh and hi pops

/respect

take a piece of crack and turn it into a diamond.

you've done well with an account that deserved it.

[Shinko]

soda and shinko sitting in a tree

[suptoofs]

do explain? or are you just demonstrating accusations without a basis of reasoned thought.

Do you honestly need explanation? Go reread most of your postings on this forum board guy, you do sound like a jackass, its nothing new :)

[Alarti0001]

Do you honestly need explanation? Go reread most of your postings on this forum board guy, you do sound like a jackass, its nothing new :)

HAHA so basically what you are saying is I make you mad so you feel the need to lash out. However, there is no logical process behind the accusations its just emotional?

K i get it.

[suptoofs]

quick reply, fuck you must stalk rnf my dude.

[suptoofs]

HAHA so basically what you are saying is I make you mad so you feel the need to lash out. However, there is no logical process behind the accusations its just emotional?

K i get it.

Don't make yourself out to be that special rofl, I honestly do not think you could make someone feel mad with the shit you say, mostly I laugh! :) You really do sound like a jackass hahahaha

[Alarti0001]

Don't make yourself out to be that special rofl, I honestly do not think you could make someone feel mad with the shit you say, mostly I laugh! :) You really do sound like a jackass hahahaha

Quick reply fuck you must stalk rnf dude...... oh wait.....

I'm sorry you are upset, that is not my intention. I only post here to defend against liars, conspiracy theorists, and basic logical flaws. If you want me to go away, everyone must stop these heinous crimes of logic.

Oh I also, post here to piss off a few IB people, because its fun when they lose control.

[suptoofs]

Quick reply fuck you must stalk rnf dude...... oh wait.....

I'm sorry you are upset, that is not my intention. I only post here to defend against liars, conspiracy theorists, and basic logical flaws. If you want me to go away, everyone must stop these heinous crimes of logic.

Oh I also, post here to piss off a few IB people, because its fun when they lose control.

Are you even reading what I have typed?

[Nirgon]

Alarti's back on the streets after being Ambertis'd.

Got a whole new style, watch out.

[Alarti0001]

Are you even reading what I have typed?

See you don't respond with anything. Just some useless crap like tanthallas or tarathiel.

Provide some substance if you want your claims to have meaning outside the driveling masses you align with.

[Tarathiel]

my whole guild is RMTd

[quido]

I resent your dumbass claim, Tarathiel!

[Tarathiel]

my bad, sorry

[quido]

Don't let it happen again.

[Ambrotos]

if you have info on RMTing, please submit a petition, or send me a PM.

posting RMT shit and/or peoples RL info will result in a ban.

This is RnF, yet it does have rules. Trolling most threads claiming people RMT while offering nothing to prove it is in clear violation. Even when quoting someone, and changing the words around.

[endemictruth]

I smell a bunch of bitches here!

[mcy]

this server reminds me of that shitty movie escape from L.A. and you disgusting creatures are all the criminals quarantined off from society :o

please do not reproduce

[Tanthallas]

See you don't respond with anything. Just some useless crap like tanthallas or tarathiel.

Provide some substance if you want your claims to have meaning outside the driveling masses you align with.

Because Alarti is the queen of substance.

[Alarti0001]

Because Alarti is the queen of substance.

Yep

[Tanthallas]

Such a winner.

[Alarti0001]

Such a winner.

Thanks man I appreesh

[Eccezan]

http://i.imgur.com/EUjV3.jpg

[Tanthallas]

Time spent making that to enlarge his e-peen: priceless.

[deneauth]

I am so mad right now, and bad, and sad etc etc etc. Pixel envy etc... yawn.

[Jenithia]

Find! I miss joo!

[deneauth]

Hey Jeni, I will PM you and we can catch up, OX!

[Alarti0001]

Time spent making that to enlarge his e-peen: priceless.

there you go with that substance again!

[arsenalpow]

Could have left Talendor for Full Circle and Fay for Acyrid but TMO must be TMO, hope the loot was worth demoralizing entire guilds lol.

[Tanthallas]

You hurt my head.

[Xerxes]

I'm flattered Eclezian, I really am. But unfortunately for you, I'm not into men. Sorry to disappoint. I'm glad I entertained you last night. I'm all for charity work considering your pathetic excuse of a life. Enjoy your pixels <3.

P.S. You got my hair color wrong...not impressed.

[Alarti0001]

Could have left Talendor for Full Circle and Fay for Acyrid but TMO must be TMO, hope the loot was worth demoralizing entire guilds lol.

We left fay for acyrid for a long LONG time. We left Tal for Full Circle till BDA went there and tried to pull. We left Draco for you guys....but BDA was too busy blaming TMO for their problems to realize they have a monk running through the fire wall. We left Inny for Div/Taken and they killed it. We could have easily killed fay at the same time at trak/sev, whatever. We didn't split forces to allow other guilds to get targets. It is not OUR fault that they didn't die.

Better luck next time. GJ Divinity.
BDA as I have said before you guys need to worry about yourselves, and stop making TMO the scapegoat for your faults. You could be soo sooooo much better if you focus'd on making your guild better instead of worrying what TMO is doing.

[falkun]

You could be soo sooooo much better if you focus'd on making your guild better instead of worrying what TMO is doing.
Says the guy who reads BDA's guild forums.

[Alarti0001]

Says the guy who reads BDA's guild forums.

LOL my guild is fine..... if you haven't noticed. Also, I don't read your forums... just more BDA conspiracy cause by your inability to not focus on your old guild. TMO has 0 need to read your forums to beat you. Occasionally, I get a screenshot or two pm'd to me on the forums. As funny as they are I refrain from posting them on the forums (TMO's or P99's).
Its also not my fault or TMO's that you have disgruntled members and a lack of focus and direction in your guild. Get your management to figure it out. I am willing to come in and teach you guys how to be a raid team for a small weekly fee. Say 30k a week?

[arsenalpow]

We left fay for acyrid for a long LONG time. We left Tal for Full Circle till BDA went there and tried to pull. We left Draco for you guys....but BDA was too busy blaming TMO for their problems to realize they have a monk running through the fire wall. We left Inny for Div/Taken and they killed it. We could have easily killed fay at the same time at trak/sev, whatever. We didn't split forces to allow other guilds to get targets. It is not OUR fault that they didn't die.

Better luck next time. GJ Divinity.
BDA as I have said before you guys need to worry about yourselves, and stop making TMO the scapegoat for your faults. You could be soo sooooo much better if you focus'd on making your guild better instead of worrying what TMO is doing.

Well we dropped fay and left it for Acyrid and audibled to Gore when we decided 3 guilds were too many for Talendor

We had some adds on that draco pull but the real nail in the coffin was your kite that got dragged through our camp eleventy times, Draco came in, low hp aggro happened, and your train bee lined for our raid. You can keep saying "omg so bad at this game" but the reality is that hate and fear are a shit show when your guild is involved. It's nigh impossible for two guilds to attempt kites and engage while setting off DTs and cross aggroing. Luckily Div/Taken got to experience a shit free hate raid and I'm sure they were appreciative of that fact.

[Tanthallas]

LOL my guild is fine..... if you haven't noticed. Also, I don't read your forums... just more BDA conspiracy cause by your inability to not focus on your old guild. TMO has 0 need to read your forums to beat you. Occasionally, I get a screenshot or two pm'd to me on the forums. As funny as they are I refrain from posting them on the forums (TMO's or P99's).
Its also not my fault or TMO's that you have disgruntled members and a lack of focus and direction in your guild. Get your management to figure it out. I am willing to come in and teach you guys how to be a raid team for a small weekly fee. Say 30k a week?

I wonder why Zeelot sends me tells repeating word for word what is said in guildchat then. Must be a conspiracy.

[Alarti0001]

Well we dropped fay and left it for Acyrid and audibled to Gore when we decided 3 guilds were too many for Talendor

We had some adds on that draco pull but the real nail in the coffin was your kite that got dragged through our camp eleventy times, Draco came in, low hp aggro happened, and your train bee lined for our raid. You can keep saying "omg so bad at this game" but the reality is that hate and fear are a shit show when your guild is involved. It's nigh impossible for two guilds to attempt kites and engage while setting off DTs and cross aggroing. Luckily Div/Taken got to experience a shit free hate raid and I'm sure they were appreciative of that fact.


You dropped fay because you heard the boats were down, you dropped tal after your puller died and we tagged it.
Fuck you lie so hard.

Watch your own fraps.

We didn't have a kite on zone in you guys did. The train that bee lined to you was BDA's train.

Again watch your fraps, fool.

[Alarti0001]

I wonder why Zeelot sends me tells repeating word for word what is said in guildchat then. Must be a conspiracy.

Screenshots don't capture WORDS? oh my

[Tanthallas]

Not immediately after they happen.

[Tanthallas]

Be dumb. Its ok. We all expect it.

[Alarti0001]

Not immediately after they happen.

Your internet has a delay? Cause as far as I know a screenshot and in email is only a couple mouse clicks and a few keystrokes away.

[Tanthallas]

Does your brain have a delay?

[falkun]

TMO has 0 need to read your forums to beat you.
Never said you needed to read anything, just that you do. The competition BDA provides is as fair as you, TMO, make it; as Chest pointed out about Fear. Boasting about "wanting competition" and then training another raid proves how hollow your words are.

[Tanthallas]

Give him a break, he just woke up. Typically takes him 10 minutes to put his pants on, he cant really multitask.

[Alarti0001]

Never said you needed to read anything, just that you do. The competition BDA provides is as fair as you, TMO, make it; as Chest pointed out about Fear. Boasting about "wanting competition" and then training another raid proves how hollow your words are.

Makes sense....however we didn't train your raid. Soooooo ya you need to work on that last sentence.

[arsenalpow]

We had people logged at ogre island, we could have attempted fay but scratched it to get a jump on fear that ultimately proved to be unsuccessful.

Our puller never even tagged Tal, we put eyes on him. Maybe you're thinking of the Full Circle guy that was talking about it, something about "well I tagged him first but he tagged back harder"

We had maybe 4 adds in camp when your raid came over the top of us at north wall, saw chief and crappyfeet running around with a few mobs and a female wood elf bard running a train back and forth along north wall.

We can dispute the details all you want but we'll get our fraps to Ambrotos today and sort it all out. It's laughable that your position is "we were aggro free" running from the portal to north wall in a full pop fear with no kite going (our bard had died) then camping your raid force just east of us allowing all of your garbage to spill onto us.

[Alarti0001]

We had people logged at ogre island, we could have attempted fay but scratched it to get a jump on fear that ultimately proved to be unsuccessful.

Our puller never even tagged Tal, we put eyes on him. Maybe you're thinking of the Full Circle guy that was talking about it, something about "well I tagged him first but he tagged back harder"

We had maybe 4 adds in camp when your raid came over the top of us at north wall, saw chief and crappyfeet running around with a few mobs and a female wood elf bard running a train back and forth along north wall.

We can dispute the details all you want but we'll get our fraps to Ambrotos today and sort it all out. It's laughable that your position is "we were aggro free" running from the portal to north wall in a full pop fear with no kite going (our bard had died) then camping your raid force just east of us allowing all of your garbage to spill onto us.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4ma7JblsMU&feature=youtu.be


This fraps?

[Tanthallas]

I see you got your big boy pants on. Congratulations on another successful morning.

[Alarti0001]

I see you got your big boy pants on. Congratulations on another successful morning.

Do you wake up wanting to anger bang me or TMO?

[Tanthallas]

I dont know what that means and I refuse to answer it.

[arsenalpow]

Thats one of them, but you and I both know a 30 second fraps can't capture the full scope of what happened. Notice you hear "he's running away" as in aggro is all crossed up, someone from your force probably had low hp aggro too.

How do you propose a shit free planar race Alarti?

[Alarti0001]

Thats one of them, but you and I both know a 30 second fraps can't capture the full scope of what happened. Notice you hear "he's running away" as in aggro is all crossed up, someone from your force probably had low hp aggro too.

How do you propose a shit free planar race Alarti?

Actually it captures the encounter perfectly. You can watch as the train run through the fire wall (big mistake). The train instantly goes for your human monk (Xerxes-the puller) then process towards the edge of the screen to your iksar monk Zaan? It then heads back into your camp and proceeds to slaughter your members, while hatelores runs off screen towards our camp.

That is also your own fraps.... stop lying its irritating.

[Alarti0001]

Bah Own=only

[Tanthallas]

Did mommy give you a snack pack today Alarti?

[Alarti0001]

Did mommy give you a snack pack today Alarti?

2 bags of gushers..... still waiting on your substance.

I challenge you to post something well thought out telling me how TMO is bad and use something at least resembling logic when you do so.

If not I will be forced to label you as a useless troll.

[arsenalpow]

No point in even trying to discuss this with you, TMO will never acknowledge any culpability in any situation that may be in question. It's always the other guilds fault and it's always an example of bad players, lack of effort, poor leadership, lying

For any guild that dare challenge mighty TMO make sure you have the following:

1) at minimum 40 players that can mobilize to a target in under 5 minutes at any time of the day

2) someone permantly only running fraps to validate any statement you make

3) be willing to employ every dirty tactic available (accidental trains, FTE sniping, rules lawyering)

4) a secure roster process because you will be infiltrated in game and your guild boards

5) a spin team of trolls for any public relation situations

[Tanthallas]

That is not logical because it is anti-TMO. What dont you people understand about that?

[Alarti0001]

No point in even trying to discuss this with you, TMO will never acknowledge any culpability in any situation that may be in question. It's always the other guilds fault and it's always an example of bad players, lack of effort, poor leadership, lying

For any guild that dare challenge mighty TMO make sure you have the following:

1) at minimum 40 players that can mobilize to a target in under 5 minutes at any time of the day

2) someone permantly only running fraps to validate any statement you make

3) be willing to employ every dirty tactic available (accidental trains, FTE sniping, rules lawyering)

4) a secure roster process because you will be infiltrated in game and your guild boards

5) a spin team of trolls for any public relation situations


Dude what kind of shit is this? Your own evidence proves TMO had no involvement in your train.

Spin time is over when evidence is posted. Now you are coming off as either highly ignorant, or just really really terrible at PR.

Next time don't play fun games in RNF if you don't have a case to back you up.

Fool

Lets play with your list though.

1.) ya that would help

2.) ya that would help, we had to turn ours back on when BDA started ineptly training in Fear

3.) accidental trains aren't a dirty trick....intentional ones are, BDA FTE snipes, BDA Rule Lawyers.

4.) Our boards are infiltrated by your guys... we just don't care.

5.) You guys have a spin team of trolls (although they might not be trolls just incredibly stupid).

[Tanthallas]

1.) ya that would help

2.) ya that would help, we had to turn ours back on when BDA started ineptly training in Fear

3.) accidental trains aren't a dirty trick....intentional ones are, BDA FTE snipes, BDA Rule Lawyers.

4.) Our boards are infiltrated by your guys... we just don't care.

5.) You guys have a spin team of trolls (although they might not be trolls just incredibly stupid).

This is money. The retard calling the kettle black.

[Alarti0001]

This is money. The retard calling the kettle black.

[Alarti0001]

http://inglouriousbasterds.org/index.php?frontpage;p=30

cool to still be posting screenshots of over farmed content, years later

ummmm.... you do realize velious was over farmed content back in 2000 right? so aren't we all just posting screenshots of over farmed content, years later?

[Nirgon]

I blame TMO for continuing to kill targets to improve despite a lack of Velious release.

They shouldn't be playing until Velious is out because that's so unfair?

Some how I don't see positions changing when the new hot stuff gets wiped by them.

The question is... while they're busy with their own raid targets.. how many mobs will be sniped due to lame bugs like invis pulling or being able to use faction to drag through zones? This stuff needs a look.

[deneauth]

What we need now are some nasty TMO members to post real life pictures of BDA leadership and harass the fuck out of them because thats cool too, not to mention very mature.

[Hailto]

Bottom line is you both could have stopped and let us have a shot at Talendor, but you're both too concerned that the other guild is going to beat you out on some loot. I have talked to quite a few members from both guilds and i can honestly say 1 on 1 all of you are cool people. I just think its too easy to get caught up in the pissing match between the two guilds and forget about doing something really cool for a new start up (at least letting us take one crack at it).

Having said that, it didn't demoralize us, because it was fully expected.

[Danyelle]

Good to see even after months, nothing changes.

Stay classy guys.

[Safon]

Good to see even after months, nothing changes.

Stay classy guys.

Moved on to greener pastures have you?

[baub]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/26707421.jpg

still best post in thread gj eccezan

[arsenalpow]

Bottom line is you both could have stopped and let us have a shot at Talendor, but you're both too concerned that the other guild is going to beat you out on some loot. I have talked to quite a few members from both guilds and i can honestly say 1 on 1 all of you are cool people. I just think its too easy to get caught up in the pissing match between the two guilds and forget about doing something really cool for a new start up (at least letting us take one crack at it).

Having said that, it didn't demoralize us, because it was fully expected.

I have the authority to speak for BDA and we'd love to leave targets for other guilds, and I mean real targets (hate/fear gods, trak, fay, vs) but TMO isn't exactly keen on sharing spawns except maybe scraps like talendor or gore.

We called talendor after fear and saw y'all mobilized at the OT ent, if we had known prior that you were already prepped we would have avoided you, TMO showed up in mass so I shifted our attention to gore. Sorry that we put Full Circle in that position since it was incredibly unlikely that TMO would have allowed you an engage with our presence in zone (although our lack of attention to hate didn't stop TMO from popping in on Div/Taken)

Feel free to contact me (Chest) or Sadad/Shamwow to coordinate should another situation like this arise.

[Eccezan]

still best post in thread gj eccezan

Thanks buddy!

[arsenalpow]

Bottom line is you both could have stopped and let us have a shot at Talendor, but you're both too concerned that the other guild is going to beat you out on some loot. I have talked to quite a few members from both guilds and i can honestly say 1 on 1 all of you are cool people. I just think its too easy to get caught up in the pissing match between the two guilds and forget about doing something really cool for a new start up (at least letting us take one crack at it).

Having said that, it didn't demoralize us, because it was fully expected.

I have the authority to speak for BDA and we'd love to leave targets for other guilds, and I mean real targets (hate/fear gods, trak, fay, vs) but TMO isn't exactly keen on sharing spawns except maybe scraps like talendor or gore. We've demonstrated before that rotations and target sharing is a plausible scenario when TMO was on a forced vacation.

We called talendor after fear and saw y'all mobilized at the OT ent, if we had known prior that you were already prepped we would have avoided you, TMO showed up in mass so I shifted our attention to gore. Sorry that we put Full Circle in that position since it was incredibly unlikely that TMO would have allowed you an engage with our presence in zone (although our lack of attention to hate didn't stop TMO from popping in on Div/Taken)

Feel free to contact me (Chest) or Sadad/Shamwow to coordinate should another situation like this arise.

[arsenalpow]

2 posts in a row
/baby fist pump

Thanks intermittent 3G on a safari browser

[Supreme]

Good to see even after months, nothing changes.

Stay classy guys.

LIGHTS!

[Eccezan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4ma7JblsMU&feature=youtu.be


This fraps?

Played in high quality, this fraps shows clearly that Xerxes (your famous puller) noobly pulled Dracoliche through the firewall aggroing the entire temple onto your own guild. You can clearly see all of the temple mobs going right towards him (dracoliche aggro drops so he turns around) and then the temple mobs continue to demolish your entire raid.

Next time dont be so bad at this game BDA, but if you are continue to, keep posting fraps of it for us to prove that we didn't do anything to you. TMO has been around a long enough time and we are watched closely enough by GM's where we aren't going to intentionally train your raid.

Best part is someone in your vent meagerly saying, "thaaanks tmo..."

A+ would watch again

[Tanthallas]

A+ would watch again

www.girlsinyogapants.com

At least masturbate to what is socially acceptable.

[Alarti0001]

Best part is someone in your vent meagerly saying, "thaaanks tmo..."



Indeed, that was the best part. Demonstrating that TMO is to blame for all of BDA's mistakes!

[Autotune]

I have the authority to speak for BDA and we'd love to leave targets for other guilds, and I mean real targets (hate/fear gods, trak, fay, vs) but TMO isn't exactly keen on sharing spawns except maybe scraps like talendor or gore. We've demonstrated before that rotations and target sharing is a plausible scenario when TMO was on a forced vacation.

We called talendor after fear and saw y'all mobilized at the OT ent, if we had known prior that you were already prepped we would have avoided you, TMO showed up in mass so I shifted our attention to gore. Sorry that we put Full Circle in that position since it was incredibly unlikely that TMO would have allowed you an engage with our presence in zone (although our lack of attention to hate didn't stop TMO from popping in on Div/Taken)

Feel free to contact me (Chest) or Sadad/Shamwow to coordinate should another situation like this arise.

[Autotune]

Best part is someone in your vent meagerly saying, "thaaanks tmo..."

A+ would watch again

bwaha, I just replayed that part over and over...


Thanks tee-EEM-Moe

[Autotune]

need to download that video and cut that little part out and upload it to youtube so i can link autoplay videos over and over in RnF.

[canker]

Our puller never even tagged Tal, we put eyes on him. Maybe you're thinking of the Full Circle guy that was talking about it, something about "well I tagged him first but he tagged back harder"


[Tue Sep 18 20:30:29 2012] Portsche says out of character, 'Tagged ---( Talendor )--- Tagged'
[Tue Sep 18 20:30:31 2012] Chest says, 'Hail, Helicopter'
[Tue Sep 18 20:30:31 2012] Chest says, 'Hail, Helicopter'
[Tue Sep 18 20:30:33 2012] Cloki begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 18 20:30:37 2012] Capi says out of character, 'tagged already'

[Tue Sep 18 20:13:09 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Capi <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG

[canker]

hmm, guess the "< and >" don't show up. either way, you claim it was never tagged, capi claims it does. what gives?!

[Adrieth]

[Tue Sep 18 20:30:29 2012] Portsche says out of character, 'Tagged ---( Talendor )--- Tagged'
[Tue Sep 18 20:30:31 2012] Chest says, 'Hail, Helicopter'
[Tue Sep 18 20:30:31 2012] Chest says, 'Hail, Helicopter'
[Tue Sep 18 20:30:33 2012] Cloki begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Sep 18 20:30:37 2012] Capi says out of character, 'tagged already'

[Tue Sep 18 20:13:09 2012] [ANONYMOUS] Capi <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG

From my recollection, Portsche was the second person to call a tag on Talendor. Capi wasn't claiming that we had tagged (after all, we were mostly ported out to DL by that time), but that Talendor had already been tagged by someone, likely not realizing that Portsche was also TMO (or not realizing who said it).

We never touched Talendor. We were never in a position to make a tag.

Flame us for something else. Have a nice day.

[Alarti0001]

From my recollection, Portsche was the second person to call a tag on Talendor. Capi wasn't claiming that we had tagged (after all, we were mostly ported out to DL by that time), but that Talendor had already been tagged by someone, likely not realizing that Portsche was also TMO (or not realizing who said it).

We never touched Talendor. We were never in a position to make a tag.

Flame us for something else. Have a nice day.

agreed back to flaming them about kiting a train through fire wall and then blaming TMO. thanks for that link btw bisch

[sulious]

Thanks TMO!

What would people do without you?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76871&highlight=sanluen

[Adrieth]

Thanks TMO!

What would people do without you?

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76871&highlight=sanluen

Something something something learn to compete. Something something something VD/IB/TR. Something something something <meme image>.

There you go RnF community, I just saved you precious keystrokes. Thank me when you see me online. :)

[sulious]

6-14-2012 Always remember!

[Happyfeet]

Played in high quality, this fraps shows clearly that Xerxes (your famous puller) noobly pulled Dracoliche through the firewall aggroing the entire temple onto your own guild.

Hey... that's not how you spell nobly....ohhhHHHHHHHH. Nevermind.

[Happyfeet]

I have ... love ... for ... real ... keen ... gore.

We called talendor after fear and saw y'all mobilized at the OT ent, if we had known prior that you were already prepped we would have avoided you, TMO showed up in mass so I shifted our attention to gore. Sorry that we put Full Circle in that position since it was incredibly unlikely that TMO would have allowed you an engage with our presence in zone (although our lack of attention to hate didn't stop TMO from popping in on Div/Taken)

Feel free to contact me (Chest) or Sadad/Shamwow to coordinate should another situation like this arise.

We didn't go to hate or pressure Divinity, IIRC we had a rogue up there watching with maybe one or two others. We continued to let them attempt Inny multiple times as per instructed by Zeelot, Just leave hate alone, let them have a couple more goes.
On the 2 updates I saw by our rogue while we were killing Fay said 38 in zone, Inny still up, and 45 here, Inny still up.

[Crazyeye]

Xerxes actually got feared twice during the initial tag, with 3 other adds beating on him which i thought forsure he was done for; He managed to get away at 30-40% hp with draco inc, BUT... as you can see he ran straight into amy temple. Would have been such an epic kill for u bda ;\. I see why u blame tmo though, cant have all ur members thinkin the whole guilds full of shitty players, just certain ones right? Like tmo.

[Autotune]

Xerxes actually got feared twice during the initial tag, with 3 other adds beating on him which i thought forsure he was done for; He managed to get away at 30-40% hp with draco inc, BUT... as you can see he ran straight into amy temple. Would have been such an epic kill for u bda ;\. I see why u blame tmo though, cant have all ur members thinkin the whole guilds full of shitty players, just certain ones right? Like tmo.

lol i still like you, no matter what people say

[Danyelle]

Moved on to greener pastures have you?

Not necessarily 'moved on'. I got a lot of shit going on atm so I don't have the spare time to play 9001 servers nor do I really even have the time to play one efficiently. So I can really only be on one at a time until I get some shit straightened out and stuff stabilizes. As of this moment, that server is Live's Test server. Don't feel bad though, as half the time I'm on there I'm afk while out of the house anyway, unless someone drags my little blue ass out of guild lobby.

The whole thing I said before of possibly coming back when the childish/4chan-esque bitching stops OR Velious drops still stands. The prior will never happen so waiting on the later. At which point I may make the server switch. Otherwise probably not officially gonna be back in the foreseeable future. Depends on how much life hates me!

Incidentally, to any BDA peeps, though I'm sure she told you, I stole Cecily away to Test for awhile as well. But as of the last couple months real life is keeping her off EQ altogether. =/ If any BDA members need to get in touch with her let me know and I may pass along the message. :P

LIGHTS!

INDEED!



PS. I secretly love and miss you Stealin. <3 PM me some time, the emails the forums send me is what brings me back :3

[Qubhed]

Tell Ceci I said to time his RL stuff more appropriately with my RL stuff so we can actually play at the same time again. If you could make an old man face and shake your fist menacingly while you say this I would appreciate it.