PVP server

[Nurdaben]

dont know if this was covered, i searched pvp but nothing

What are the chances that you would mirror this server but have PVP enabled?

i love pvp server but that vztz thing they got is a stupid server hehe.

[Rogean]

As fun as it would be for a PVP server there are a lot of things to consider for running one. The type of people that PVP servers attract are some of the hardest type of people to deal with. Hacking rampant all over the place, people finding ways to exploit the server, making zones crash, etc. It is horrible to deal with.

[Nurdaben]

so your short answer im guessing would be "no" bummer

[Rogean]

That's just my initial reaction ;)

[Elysium]

And it's a good one. Anyone who has spent any amount of time at the EQEmu community over the years knows this pretty well.

[Xumosa]

"This is why we cant have nice things!"

[mitic]

daxums vztz server was solid but it went down the tube after gronkus pulled the plug

THOSE 1.5 YEARS WONT BE FORGOTTEN!

3> daxum

[Salty]

The type of people that PVP servers attract are some of the hardest type of people to deal with. Hacking rampant all over the place, people finding ways to exploit the server, making zones crash, etc. It is horrible to deal with.

The people who play on vztz know more about the eqemu exploits than those who play on p99, this is indeed true.

I would hope that resolving the issue would be to fix the sploits at hand, not segregation.

But you do what you are capable of~

[Taxi]

vztz was the first server i rolled on, but ended up here because everybody dual boxes and thats boring, and many people warned me about the hacking/cheating. Most of the community was dumb as well, "Finding a guild before lvl50? lololol gtfo".

I made some suggestions about how server-wide pvp could be implemented here, but seeing what Rog posted, its pretty obvious it would attract those people like flies on shit with the better pop that P99 has =(. At the same time, on VZTZ the xp goes up WAY faster, so maybe that would be a deterrent because it takes so long to build a character, and then get it banned because you got caught cheating would hurt more.

If a way could be found to stop these assholes though, it would be awesome.

[Haynar]

We fix the sploits as we find or hear about them. The players exploiting, usually are not keen to turn over their cheats to the server admins. A real PVP server, with no cheaters, that would probably be pretty cool.

Haynar

[Zordana]

We fix the sploits as we find or hear about them. The players exploiting, usually are not keen to turn over their cheats to the server admins. A real PVP server, with no cheaters, that would probably be pretty cool.

Haynar

this would indeed be awesome!

[azxten]

At this point I've given up hope for another classic PvP server at least until EQ live dies officially. It would be great though to see more work on the "30v30" PvP testing that goes on. I have hopes it will morph into some kind of minigame with rewards for the winners, etc. I'd love to just do some PvP again even if it's not the same as PvP while leveling, raiding, etc was back in the day.

[Olorin]

We fix the sploits as we find or hear about them. The players exploiting, usually are not keen to turn over their cheats to the server admins. A real PVP server, with no cheaters, that would probably be pretty cool.

Haynar

Hell, a PVE server with no cheaters would be pretty awesome as well.

[fohkure]

I've always been curious what it is about EQ vs. other games that attracts so much hacking? I know all games have people who are smart enough and determined enough to write their own rules, but EQ always seemed to have A LOT more of them (At least in SZ where I'm from). I know nothing about programing, coding, etc...

I'm a huge pro-pvp person, that is usually how I base my decision to play a game or not. In this case I couldn't pass up the chance to play classic EQ (I started right when Luclin came out). SZ in those days were the best times I've ever had playing a video game.

After playing SZ for all those years, I know all too well what Rogean is talking about.

Chris

[mitic]

A real PVP server, with no cheaters, that would probably be pretty cool.

Haynar

but not with the current /duel setting on this server :p

[Hatwer]

It's a shame that PvP servers have attracted hackers in the past. A PvP environment is actually one that could address some of the "ubermob spawn rotation/conflicts" issues. The group that fights for it wins it :D

The server would need to be policed somewhat, mostly to avoid the hacking, the training and exploits. After that it's pretty rewarding, though. It's a fun experience having to turn up your game a bit, constantly watching who is in zone, being careful with your resources so you aren't too weak when others are around.

I hope there's an opportunity for it eventually.

[Salty]

We fix the sploits as we find or hear about them. The players exploiting, usually are not keen to turn over their cheats to the server admins. A real PVP server, with no cheaters, that would probably be pretty cool.


The problem doesn't lay in the exploits, but the administrators who approach these problems and make it worse or have no idea what to do.

On VZTZ every player who has witnessed exploits has posted about it, we just don't have any staff that has the ability to actually fix things.

Voidd doesn't even know that you should backup a server right before you patch, the pvp staff sucks balls. Barking up the Rogean/Nilbog tree for pvp is a dead end.

[Taxi]

Barking up the Rogean/Nilbog tree for pvp is a dead end.

I think they are quite open to the idea of pvp from the comments theyve made, and of course CTF and other events they are planning. Testing CTF is already a good start.

[Weekapaug]

I'm new to EMUs with P99, but just to throw my 2 cp in...

The time I spent on Sullon Zek for the months it was live pre-Luclin was some of the most amazing EQ I ever got to experience and I would love a chance to do it again.

Just for reference, I started live at release and played fairly consistently thru around TBS....8-9 years-ish. Bitch as people may about PvP, most of the critics never played it....It puts a crazy twist on the game we love and makes you look at classes, skills, spells, gear, zones....practically everything differently.

And just like blue eq, it's hard. And that's why it's awesome.

[lauremore]

Why not just allow for guild wars, and let that be it? Honestly, having played on RZ for years I can tell you, you do not want the hackers or cheaters here. Their entire goal is to bring your server down and laugh about it. They have minuscule lives outside of EQ and the only reason they hack EQ is because the client is extremely easy to hack and they got banned from WOW. These people are scum and you really don't want them here. Trust me.


Now if you wanted to guild war, that wouldn't be so bad, obviously people have a choice to war or not and if some nice rules are set up for higher end guilds it could bring some nice and fun competition, but do not under any circumstances go beyond that. The last thing you want are people here trying to ruin your gaming experience for fun.

[Salty]

I think they are quite open to the idea of pvp from the comments theyve made, and of course CTF and other events they are planning. Testing CTF is already a good start.

You will not see Nilbog/Rogean creating a high quality pvp enviroment, not because of their ability, but because of the time it takes away from working on other details. I doubt that any of the staff will have any free time when Kunark doesn't even have quests yet and Plane of Sky isn't ready.

The CTF is a good start, totally in agreement, but it needs a lot of work when you just die and get full mana/health to rush over and over and over. Direction is good, but the quality is not up to par. Implementing pvp is going to take a lot of serious and dedicated work, I fully believe that the P99 staff does not have the resources or time to commit to pvp.

So no matter what we would "like" to see, legit pvp is not in our future unless a crew with talent steps up. Finding exploits and bugs within the game is not a big issue, at least it isn't to me.

[lauremore]

I agree outside of fixing the guild war bug.

[Hatwer]

There are dozens of people would commit money and time to a classic style PvP server if there was a trustworthy impartial development team running it with a clear, honest vision behind it.

It is consistently requested on player polls within the regular EQ community. I also think we're reaching the point where the original bad apples of EQ are growing up, so to speak. It may be easier to police and manage than it used to be.

Still, I wouldn't rush into it or just throw up a server and hope people show up. The best way to foster interest in it would be to keep working on the mechanics on EQ1999 and offer PvP outlets like guild wars, big events etc. People will naturally become interested in it and if another server pops up, people may flock to it.

Hell, a ton of people used to play on Rallos just because it was less crowded than other servers. They were willing to put up with the occasional fight to not have to sit in 2+ month rotations of content.

[Taxi]

You will not see Nilbog/Rogean creating a high quality pvp enviroment, not because of their ability, but because of the time it takes away from working on other details. I doubt that any of the staff will have any free time when Kunark doesn't even have quests yet and Plane of Sky isn't ready.

The CTF is a good start, totally in agreement, but it needs a lot of work when you just die and get full mana/health to rush over and over and over. Direction is good, but the quality is not up to par. Implementing pvp is going to take a lot of serious and dedicated work, I fully believe that the P99 staff does not have the resources or time to commit to pvp.

So no matter what we would "like" to see, legit pvp is not in our future unless a crew with talent steps up. Finding exploits and bugs within the game is not a big issue, at least it isn't to me.

I suggested these 2 ideas on the CTF thread:

- Make guild wars work

- Make reds be able to group with blues

Im not a programmer, but to me it seems simple ideas enough to implement, and then they just work on their own once the basic framework is working, its players who "create the content" by picking the pvp hotspots they like.

Again, im not a programmer, and the devs might wanna leave pvp on the ice until they work on K/V. If its easy to implement though, i think it would create alot of renewed interest on the server, me for example im not sure i would roll an alt right now after getting a druid to 45, cuz i dont wanna burn. But with pvp on id do it right now, cuz its a whole other experience, that could add alot to the server in longevity and popularity.

Also they can just put it out like "Look, we dont have time to run after the pvp exploits right now with K/V but heres the framework, play with it and dont bitch" and people like me would play with it as is, until everything is smoothed out and they can get back at it when time permits.

[SearyxTZ]

As fun as it would be for a PVP server there are a lot of things to consider for running one. The type of people that PVP servers attract are some of the hardest type of people to deal with.

^
surprisingly good insight.


I've been playing on EQ PvP servers since its inception. I'm staff on the VZTZ (doing a whole lot of nothing due to RL obligations), and at one point I was running the server... before Gronkus and I basically wanted to shoot our brains out.

I'm not going to turn this into an advertisement since this is your server board, but I will say that Voidd understands development and works really hard on that server. The in-game GMs (particularly Sirken) are legit in dealing with the difficult PvP crowd of players, and Keegan has shelled out a lot of his own money to keep it running.

The type of players any "hardcore" PvP setting attracts is never going to change, especially when there's open lines of communication between them. Same types that do Diablo II hardcore are the same types that do EQ PvP and most FPS games. And they bring baggage. I'll refrain from slandering all of you as being carebears, but this place is like kumbaya in comparison. EQLive blue was always 10x as popular as red (I never understood why, personally).

One last thing: I don't see any drawbacks to having the guildwar feature on a blue server - it's optional/temporary, and that was what turned me on to PvP to begin with.

Kudos to having such a large population. I've loosely followed the EQEmu dev community since it started, and never thought I'd see a classic server breaking 500 players.

[Mleh]

I want to say I played item loot RZ for years as a successful PKer and I absolutely loved it; however the game became more and more about screwing other people over and taking risks against my account by exploiting game mechanics to kill people.

I can fully agree on the fact that a pvp environment attracts all low life and ethugs, and it is definitely not for everyone. However fun it may be, it requires INTENSIVE management on the GM level and a firm understanding by all players of the rules and that they are enforced.

Asking for a miniature pvp environment here will never happen. I could see maybe a bunch of people making pvp flagged alts as kind of a sub community; but everyone knows any pvp flagged player will be adorned in twink gear because they're scared to hell of dieing.

I was pushing in my own thread to balance the pvp alittle bit more to how it was in classic because somewhere along the way they hopped up melee hit rate/dmg and had to pvp nerf it, and I would think that would be satisfactory for me just to have my PvP balance back for duelling.

Again, just another players 2 cents. Until you've had your best item stolen by 3 people killing you and been corpse camped for hours while they laugh at you until you log off, don't think a PvP server is all about you having fun. It mostly comes down to being paranoid all the time and living for that rush and never knowing if you really can trust anyone you meet. It's a GM nightmare.

[Excision Rottun]

Zek on Live is currently in dire straits do to rampant MQ use and griefers.

The #2 raid guild has collapsed I believe and there is a thread on EQLive asking for suggestions to save the server.

One of the top suggestions is solve hacking / hire a permanent Zek exclusive GM.

Both of which have about a 1% chance of actually happening IMO.

[lauremore]

Thus is why I said allow guild wars to happen, and that is it.

[mitic]

Kudos to having such a large population. I've loosely followed the EQEmu dev community since it started, and never thought I'd see a classic server breaking 500 players.

hardly to believe eh? just a matter of gm/dev integrity someone would say...

[mitic]

You will not see Nilbog/Rogean creating a high quality pvp enviroment, not because of their ability, but because of the time it takes away from working on other details.

this is no rocket science. when verant/soe started sullon zek, they copy pasted blue servers and made a pvp fix here and there (and this is also why pvp started to go down the tube with luclin/pop, 500+resist gear etc but we aint going that far)

iam all for a new pvp-server started by nilbog/rogean n`staff

[SearyxTZ]

hardly to believe eh? just a matter of gm/dev integrity someone would say...

Oh, well, I think both servers have that going. I'd say 80% of the in-game GM work is spent with difficult resolutions of PvP conflicts. It is a lot more work, with people getting very worked-up or emotional just over dying to another player.

Definitely not for everyone. :)

[Taxi]

I think one of the biggest advantages of p99 is the amount of time it takes to level. Ive already stated this but ill say it again, if someone gets his character erased on TZVZ and he finds a way to get around the ip ban, its no biggie cuz you ding 2 on the first mob you kill. A druid PL'd me on TZVZ and i was 13 after one hour or 2.

Wont happen here. Even if they can get around the IP ban, im pretty sure the devs here can lock the account and throw away the key, so feel free to start over and over again if you like. Somehow im betting that they wont.

[mitic]

Oh, well, I think both servers have that going. I'd say 80% of the in-game GM work is spent with difficult resolutions of PvP conflicts. It is a lot more work, with people getting very worked-up or emotional just over dying to another player.

Definitely not for everyone. :)

we both know this wasnt the case on vztz

daxum, the creator of vztz resigned after a year due to RL
gronkus took over and according to rumors sold the server for $ right after you sir, pulled the plug.

voidd, a former GM of vztz (who was banned from staff back the day due to gm favoritism (official statement back then)) came back and took over

the golden times of vztz are no more (200+ players at peak times, remember bro?)

so either, daxum comes back and recreates or nilbog starts a new one. i do and will stay the f** away from voidds server

[redghosthunter]

Good GOD, On the positive note.... VZTZ is the Best PvP the Emu has to offer... Dam it if You can do better plz do. I enjoy poping in to VZTZ from time to time.

Mleh, "I could see maybe a bunch of people making pvp flagged alts as kind of a sub community; but everyone knows any pvp flagged player will be adorned in twink gear because they're scared to hell of dieing." ---

I've wanted to do this for some time now... But I think the only way it will happen if the MAJOR guilds of the server say they "encourage," each member to make one pvp. IDK got a better idea?

[mitic]

VZTZ is the Best PvP the Emu has to offer... Dam it if You can do better plz do.

its the best cause its the only non custom pvp server on emu

daxum released the old source code after searyx pulled the plug. http://rapidshare.com/files/374048877/VZTZ.7z id love to see another, serious, pvp server on eq-emu.