Eccezan, a Paragon of Fairness

[Hasbinlulz]

Fairness trumps FTE, that is the rule. Get with the program or GTFO.
This is like Morgan Stanley complaining that a person gets to keep their family home after being three hours late on a payment.

Just fucking saying.

There are literally hundreds of players on this server that have never even had the chance to fight CT, much less get loot from one. That is just one mob out of dozens that you have killed dozens of times.

Not that any of that matters. You guys get the loot coz you put in the work. That, however, is not "fair." When you dominate the raid scene, others do not get to experience it.

To say that it is "fair" that you guys get loot EVER AGAIN is fucking ridiculous. It is what it is as part of this game, but it is certainly not "fair."

You remind me of some shitfuck mortgage corporation foreclosing on some old woman after she was late on a single payment coz that's fair.

Get the fuck off your high horse you useless fucking entitled wafflecunt.

[Autotune]

socialist wants p99 to be fair.

[Hasbinlulz]

I never advocated fairness, I just pointed out that Eccezan saying "TMO getting loot = fair" is ridiculous.

[Reiker000]

Hasbinbad I know you're really fucking stupid and all and I try to consider that but please try to figure out the difference between the "Post Reply" and the "New Thread" buttons.

[Hasbinlulz]

Hasbinbad I know you're really fucking stupid and all and I try to consider that but please try to figure out the difference between the "Post Reply" and the "New Thread" buttons.
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=88458

[Eccezan]

hell yea i got my own thread...

[Hasbinlulz]

U and reiker both. Now ur cool kids together.

[Alarti0001]

This is like Morgan Stanley complaining that a person gets to keep their family home after being three hours late on a payment.

Just fucking saying.

There are literally hundreds of players on this server that have never even had the chance to fight CT, much less get loot from one. That is just one mob out of dozens that you have killed dozens of times.

Not that any of that matters. You guys get the loot coz you put in the work. That, however, is not "fair." When you dominate the raid scene, others do not get to experience it.

To say that it is "fair" that you guys get loot EVER AGAIN is fucking ridiculous. It is what it is as part of this game, but it is certainly not "fair."

You remind me of some shitfuck mortgage corporation foreclosing on some old woman after she was late on a single payment coz that's fair.

Get the fuck off your high horse you useless fucking entitled wafflecunt.

guy on high horse tells others to get off a high horse.

[Hasbinlulz]

guy on high horse tells others to get off a high horse.
Oh Alarti, you're so witty.

[Lexical]

This is like Morgan Stanley complaining that a person gets to keep their family home after being three hours late on a payment.

Just fucking saying.

There are literally hundreds of players on this server that have never even had the chance to fight CT, much less get loot from one. That is just one mob out of dozens that you have killed dozens of times.

Not that any of that matters. You guys get the loot coz you put in the work. That, however, is not "fair." When you dominate the raid scene, others do not get to experience it.

To say that it is "fair" that you guys get loot EVER AGAIN is fucking ridiculous. It is what it is as part of this game, but it is certainly not "fair."

You remind me of some shitfuck mortgage corporation foreclosing on some old woman after she was late on a single payment coz that's fair.

Get the fuck off your high horse you useless fucking entitled wafflecunt.

Isn't TMO doing an outreach program targeting the Utopia Project to mentor and foster newbies?

[Hasbinlulz]

Everyone else should take a moment. Let the realization that Alarti didn't respond to what I said at all, but rather agreed that Eccezan is on a high horse.

P99, please start a new zerg guild and dethrone the old zerg guild.

For the love of god.

Do it for your country.

[Eccezan]

Everyone else should take a moment. Let the realization that Alarti didn't respond to what I said at all, but rather agreed that Eccezan is on a high horse.

P99, please start a new zerg guild and dethrone the old zerg guild.

For the love of god.

Do it for your country.

Had nothing to do with the fact that Norrath is rid of another foul dragon.

[quido]

Eccezan kicked my dog.

[Kitsy]

Eccezan touched me inappropriately, but then he told me how pretty I looked.

[Diggles]

eccezan has been a great influence on my life

[Hitchens]

http://i.imgur.com/ZMPwt.gif

[Hasbinlulz]

http://i.imgur.com/ZMPwt.gif
You listen to really bad music.

[Alarti0001]

Everyone else should take a moment. Let the realization that Alarti didn't respond to what I said at all, but rather agreed that Eccezan is on a high horse.

P99, please start a new zerg guild and dethrone the old zerg guild.

For the love of god.

Do it for your country.

Your reading comprehension is terrible. I said you were on a high horse telling others to get of theirs. I did not say or imply that any others were on a high horse. You fail, yet again. It seems to be an IB trait.

[Tanthallas]

NOONE LIKES ME

[Alarti0001]

I STALK ALARTI. I AM JEALOUS OF HIM AND HIS GUILD. I AM A PATHETIC INDIVIDUAL

This is fun!

[Eccezan]

Thanks for this thread Hasbinbad. Decided to update my avatar to match my new title of Paragon of Fairness.

While you can simply call me "Your Grace", my formal title is Eccezan of House HEDS the 1st of His Name, King of the Andals and the First Men, Paragon of Fairness, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm.

[Jacquouille]

Wafflecunt...

Im trying to picture this in my head...

Mixing high elf model....waffle....cunt....?

[Safon]

How is TMO earning their loot not fair? I'm not even in TMO, if you want the best pixels put in the time. It's a simple fucking concept

[Tanthallas]

How is TMO earning their loot not fair? I'm not even in TMO, if you want the best pixels put in the time. It's a simple fucking concept

It has nothing to do with fairness. It has to do with the audacity of trumpeting unbounded notions of fairness as the reason for overturning the rules which are supposed to define the boundaries of what is fairplay and not fairplay.

By your standard, fairness does not enter in whatsoever because the instance that this thread is in response to is one where each guild involved 'put in their time'. If you want to be socialists and distribute shit based on 'the time put in' I am game, but you need to convince your butt buddies first.

[Rovas]

ITT: feed

[Tanthallas]

hungry.

[Tasslehofp99]

http://i.imgur.com/ZMPwt.gif

lolpwned

[Bubbles]

I think was Hasbin is hinting at is the in the other 3,000 page thread entitled "I ran.." the only really interesting point in the neverending pages of drivel was the simple concept of "Why does TMO even need CT?".

It's a fair point.

Bloodfires? no.
Dawnfires? no.
Trunk? heh, that's stretching it.
Bard instrument? no.
Soul Leech? For cash purposes only, and even then its mainly to deprive others of SK epics, in case there is SKs who've played more than 3 weeks and don't already have one.
CRoA? Great stats, but a lot of effort to look like a level 30 mage who finally decided to start their Sol Ro Temple quests.
Druid toy? Not unless they need $$$ for peridots badly.
Necro epic? Possibly.
Puppet Strings? Puhlease.

VS/Trak, yeah, i get that. Cobalt and Donals are always in short supply. Mana Robes are neat. Cloak of Piety even makes fun caster gear.

CT seems to be stretching the realm of beliability a little thin.

I might be forgetting something on the loot table, by all means enlighten me.

[Bubbles]

holy god did i butcher "believability".. it's laaate.

[Diggles]

you cant put "depriving ppl of raid kills" on a loot table.

[Alarti0001]

I think was Hasbin is hinting at is the in the other 3,000 page thread entitled "I ran.." the only really interesting point in the neverending pages of drivel was the simple concept of "Why does TMO even need CT?".

It's a fair point.

Bloodfires? no.
Dawnfires? no.
Trunk? heh, that's stretching it.
Bard instrument? no.
Soul Leech? For cash purposes only, and even then its mainly to deprive others of SK epics, in case there is SKs who've played more than 3 weeks and don't already have one.
CRoA? Great stats, but a lot of effort to look like a level 30 mage who finally decided to start their Sol Ro Temple quests.
Druid toy? Not unless they need $$$ for peridots badly.
Necro epic? Possibly.
Puppet Strings? Puhlease.

VS/Trak, yeah, i get that. Cobalt and Donals are always in short supply. Mana Robes are neat. Cloak of Piety even makes fun caster gear.

CT seems to be stretching the realm of beliability a little thin.

I might be forgetting something on the loot table, by all means enlighten me.

CT Skin, AoN, Shield of Rainbow Hues

[Jacquouille]

Well TR locked this server down for a year, and didn't share at all, they kept pharming (even Vox and Nag) even though full members didn't need anything off them anymore.

TMO after getting repeatedly ass-raped now dominate this server, it's just legit for them to keep pharming as long as another guild doesn't challenge them...They have the roster and put work into it, totally legitimate, if you don't say so, you're either communist or jealous. It's perhaps pointless and retarded but yet it's totally legit, even if it cockblocks 90% of this server.

People just tend to get butthurt because TMO has a core of sociopaths trolling big time on these boards and whose only thrill is to actually grief...

Which I kind of understand, when all guilds failed to challenge them for over a year or so. When you farm over and over and over the same thing, sometimes without even being challenged, when you have new actors on the raiding scene you will just troll them to death, put on your young lawyer suit and try to make them slip or look bad.

Oh well, I need more tea.

[quido]

Sacre bleu!

[radditsu]

Eccezan is a dick tater

[agdros]

In this thread, lots of people who don't play or have not played in 6 months complaining about something that has no impact on them.

On another note... Lots of new people in TMO. I am one of them. When I joined, they didn't just immediately hand me best in slot gear. I'm still running around with several pieces of crap gear on. If I want loot, I have to earn it. The TMO app process is probably one of the most difficult guild app process I have ever been through. It was 2 months long. I had to have 75%+ raid attendance during those 2 months. I had to have lvl 60. And I had to have minimum un-buffed resist stats. They don't hand out diamonds or BD's to apps to get the resist gear needed. These are not the official requirements to app to TMO, but when I was apping, there were 3 other clerics in app at the same time. I had to do better than them to ensure that I would get full membership.

There are some constants in TMO. I would say 15 to 25 players that have been there from the start, but the rest of the "zerg guild" that you guys are referring to is a rotating door of people that get in, play for several months and then burn out. These people need/want these raid targets just as much as the rest of the server.

I could be completely wrong, I am a noob to TMO, but I can tell you that it takes a bit of effort to keep up with all of the information that is needed to keep my raid attendance at an acceptable level, which I need to do if I want any loot at all.

[Jacquouille]

In this thread, lots of people who don't play or have not played in 6 months complaining about something that has no impact on them.

On another note... Lots of new people in TMO. I am one of them. When I joined, they didn't just immediately hand me best in slot gear. I'm still running around with several pieces of crap gear on. If I want loot, I have to earn it. The TMO app process is probably one of the most difficult guild app process I have ever been through. It was 2 months long. I had to have 75%+ raid attendance during those 2 months. I had to have lvl 60. And I had to have minimum un-buffed resist stats. They don't hand out diamonds or BD's to apps to get the resist gear needed. These are not the official requirements to app to TMO, but when I was apping, there were 3 other clerics in app at the same time. I had to do better than them to ensure that I would get full membership.

There are some constants in TMO. I would say 15 to 25 players that have been there from the start, but the rest of the "zerg guild" that you guys are referring to is a rotating door of people that get in, play for several months and then burn out. These people need/want these raid targets just as much as the rest of the server.

I could be completely wrong, I am a noob to TMO, but I can tell you that it takes a bit of effort to keep up with all of the information that is needed to keep my raid attendance at an acceptable level, which I need to do if I want any loot at all.

http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1300/1324241191_11d750dabc.jpg

[agdros]

not exactly Jacquouille but thanks for the attention.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Puppet Strings? Puhlease

Puppet strings are actually extremely desirable for a number of reasons.

[Hasbinlulz]

It is important to note that I am not begrudging TMO their raids. They have earned the right to all that loot, and that - in a sense - is fair.

What I was speaking to is the idea that one group gets everything and every other group gets nothing. This can be said to contain injustice. That is subjective, but a strong argument can be made for how it is unfair that one group gets all and every other group gets none, regardless of any other factors.

Sure, if your narrow focus is on the specific situation of "is this decision mutually equitable to the rules and the players in and of itself?" you might find that a given decision is fair, but if you step back into the light of the radically unequal distribution of wealth, it is ironic in the extreme that any TMO member would ever say that a GM decision to award TMO more loot is fair. It's just ridiculous.

And Eccezan is a short dicked wafflecunt for even suggesting it.

[Hasbinlulz]

It's like .. yeah .. the bank IS right by letter of the contract to foreclose on that 85 year old widow.

Yes, according to the contract that is fair.

But step back into the light of 28 years of on-time payments, and the bank (eccezan) looks like a greedy jackass.

[Tanthallas]

http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1300/1324241191_11d750dabc.jpg

Funniest post of the night.

[Ephirith]

Lots of people come here wanting to do Vox or Naggy and relive those memories, but they don't want to, or don't have the ability to, put in the amount of time your typical TMO player does. I don't think many of them even make it past 40 or so. Those who do make it past 50 quickly find out that if you're not in TMO, you're not going to kill Naggy, Vox, CT, or Inny. They might get some kills in a more casual guild like BDA, but their success in landing targets has varied over time and you still might have to resort to an odd-hours batphone to get those kills.

The cohesive world and lack of instancing is one of the things I love about EQ and I wouldn't want to change it. I'm not even trying to imply TMO doesn't deserve Vox/Naggy or that they're doing anything wrong by farming them.

Here's my opinion: I've raided on p99 and I fucking hated it. When there's poopsocking and batphones, everybody loses. I couldn't stand it for more than a month. I interpret this as being the fundamental downside to the EQ model, it's what we sacrifice to avoid WoW-style instancing and loot pinatas. You can't get the best gear unless you put in lots of time-- it harbors exclusivity, and I think that's been lost, or at least watered down, in modern MMO's... and it's one of the reasons I find them so boring now.

Quit bitching about the status quo. It's fair. TMO are faggots for killing mobs they don't even need. You're a faggot for being too casual/bad to get the mob yourself. I'm a faggot for posting in this thread.

[Hasbinlulz]

Lots of people come here wanting to do Vox or Naggy and relive those memories, but they don't want to, or don't have the ability to, put in the amount of time your typical TMO player does. I don't think many of them even make it past 40 or so. Those who do make it past 50 quickly find out that if you're not in TMO, you're not going to kill Naggy, Vox, CT, or Inny. They might get some kills in a more casual guild like BDA, but their success in landing targets has varied over time and you still might have to resort to an odd-hours batphone to get those kills.

The cohesive world and lack of instancing is one of the things I love about EQ and I wouldn't want to change it. I'm not even trying to imply TMO doesn't deserve Vox/Naggy or that they're doing anything wrong by farming them.

Here's my opinion: I've raided on p99 and I fucking hated it. When there's poopsocking and batphones, everybody loses. I couldn't stand it for more than a month. I interpret this as being the fundamental downside to the EQ model, it's what we sacrifice to avoid WoW-style instancing and loot pinatas. You can't get the best gear unless you put in lots of time-- it harbors exclusivity, and I think that's been lost, or at least watered down, in modern MMO's... and it's one of the reasons I find them so boring now.

Quit bitching about the status quo. It's fair. TMO are faggots for killing mobs they don't even need. You're a faggot for being too casual/bad to get the mob yourself. I'm a faggot for posting in this thread.
Setting aside your flippant and timely use of colorful and unnecessary language, this is all basically true.

[Eccezan]

Wow hasbinbad, thats a lot of names you called me, anything else?

I didn't think that someone as active as you was so easy to be trolled. Gonna be up front with you though, your words are but a speck of dust on the surface of the sun to me.

I do find you entertaining though, carry on! ;)

[Hasbinlulz]

Wow hasbinbad, thats a lot of names you called me, anything else?

I didn't think that someone as active as you was so easy to be trolled. Gonna be up front with you though, your words are but a speck of dust on the surface of the sun to me.

I do find you entertaining though, carry on! ;)
We succeeded in taking that picture, and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.
-Sagan

[Ephirith]

We succeeded in taking that picture, and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.
-Sagan

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/815/1344233812703.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/1344233812703.jpg/)

[Hasbinlulz]

Still sad when I think of that dude. He shouldn't have died when he did. The world is truly worse off.

Ah well, hopefully NdGT doesn't die soon.

*knocking on wood*

[Jacquouille]

I do find you entertaining though, carry on! ;)

http://cdn.yobeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/willowTheMovie.jpg

[Eccezan]

http://cdn.yobeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/willowTheMovie.jpg

WILLOW!!!!!@@#$~ %

[Hasbinlulz]

Are you not entertained??


ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?!?

[Bubbles]

CT Skin, AoN, Shield of Rainbow Hues

KK, that makes a lot more sense. Totally spaced AoN and Skin. :)

[Alarti0001]

KK, that makes a lot more sense. Totally spaced AoN and Skin. :)

YA Skin and AoN are supah rare.! SUPAH!