Best of the Best

[Rogean]

Hi


I might be running the Best of the Best tournaments soonish. I want to do one BotB Tournament for each expansion.

Just throwing this post up to get some ideas for the rules. Does anyone have a copy of the rules from Live's BOTB Tournaments? It disallowed the use of certain item clicks, etc. Also what was the fee to participate?

I know the typical setup was 30 second buff period then engage.

Any other information is helpful.

Thanks

[Phallax]

Hi


I might be running the Best of the Best tournaments soonish. I want to do one BotB Tournament for each expansion.

Just throwing this post up to get some ideas for the rules. Does anyone have a copy of the rules from Live's BOTB Tournaments? It disallowed the use of certain item clicks, etc. Also what was the fee to participate?

I know the typical setup was 30 second buff period then engage.

Any other information is helpful.

Thanks


Each player was stripped of all buffs, via mass dispell from GM.
You must stay on the top part of the platform in Arena.
Each player had X time to buff, forget exact time.
Players could only "use" equipable item clickies and were NOT allowed to item swap once the match had begun.
Stuff like /disc. LoH and HT were allowed but if your next round came up before the timer was up that was somthing you risked, the GM would not reset them.

[Taluvill]

I imagine bards are to sing everything or does item switching apply to them?

[Volga]

I competed in a Kunark BotB with my wizard on Luclin (kicked ass too I might add); I don't seem to recall a "buff period"..

It was ready set go... stun + nuke + stun + nuke etc ...

GM's ported you outside of the arena, stripped all buffs - zoned you back in and yea you had to stay on the pad.

Wasn't there a Team BotB as well?

[Phallax]

I competed in a Kunark BotB with my wizard on Luclin (kicked ass too I might add); I don't seem to recall a "buff period"..

It was ready set go... stun + nuke + stun + nuke etc ...

GM's ported you outside of the arena, stripped all buffs - zoned you back in and yea you had to stay on the pad.

Wasn't there a Team BotB as well?

Yea the team BotB came before the 1v1 I believe. The BotB evolved as it reached new classes, buffing period may have not applied to Wizards.

[Kainzo]

Can we get last man standings and Test of Tactics first?


Last Man Standing = FFA (60+ people) whoever was the last standing, won.
Test of Tactics = 6 v 6 tactical PVP. (No resses etc)

[Mountaineer]

Weren't rezes available? I was thinking that if someone could get one off, that it was fair game, but no one ever let a cleric alone for that long anyways. Can't remember, I only ever watched em.

Are you looking to do one before or after PoSky? :-)

Also, some events like a Last Man Standing, or maybe a guild war (red vs blue) type thing may be fun and help test out some more PvP bugs before we get to the SERIOUS BUSINESS of Best of the Bests :-)

[Taluvill]

Last Man Standing = FFA (60+ people) whoever was the last standing, won.
(No resses etc)

Rogues would own this, or a bard. Just run for hours or sneak/hide away from everyone.

[Phallax]

Rogues would own this, or a bard. Just run for hours or sneak/hide away from everyone.

A mage won ours on Tunare. After so many people die the Arena was limited to platform only.

[Mleh]

imo class vs class 1v1 until final brackets - because it the end its almost certain a caster will win with current melee dmg bug.=p

[Phallax]

imo class vs class 1v1 until final brackets - because it the end its almost certain a caster will win with current melee dmg bug.=p

BotB 1v1 was always class vs class, dont think there was ever a GM ran 1v1 mix

[Zordana]

uhhhh.. cant await it!

[Skope]

LMS were always won by SKs and Pallies on Prexus. It was as if no other classes even need show up.

[Rogean]

One thing at a time guys. This is the class 1v1.. not the test of tactics (6v6) or brawl/rumble/ffa.

[Kainzo]

Rogues would own this, or a bard. Just run for hours or sneak/hide away from everyone.

I actually won the one on Rathe as a paladin. And yes a bard did try to kite us with selos - but the GM-Vaylin, snared the entire platform and he died in 0.3 seconds later.

Kyaf / Docs / Kainzo / Deciderius were the last contenders, it was a ton of fun.

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Back to the original BotB (Class vs Same Class) - I thought the first route of these took place in Kunark - though if you wanted BotB for each expansion that would make sense.

[Mleh]

One thing at a time guys. This is the class 1v1.. not the test of tactics (6v6) or brawl/rumble/ffa.

Will there be standardized weapon/armor for skill play or just bring your own gear style? IIRC in later BotBs it was equal gearsets.

[vinx]

i did the FFA one on vallon as a druid, and mage as the class,. iirc there was something about clickies that pissed the mages off (those that had the epic) not exactly sure how that was set up now.

but yea, we were summoned inside,..after everyone was raid buffing we got summoned in and stripped lol.
There was a brief moment you could buff if you felt like it and i believe during our FFA it was a bard-sk as final two combatants.(with bard winning)

[Aeolwind]

lol, a WARRIOR won the FFA tournament on Emarr. /wave Rimmuk

[Feiel]

I vaguely remember some alterations for each class best of the best. A few were really straight forward (warrior for example) but I think the cleric one had a twist. Something about each cleric having a NPC that would duke it out. The the players would have to make some tactical adjustments instead of a boring heal fest. I am fuzzy on some of the details but I will check with a buddy who did participate on the cleric botb on Rallos Zek.

[Shurid]

This isn't classic, Botb came after Kunark (oct 2000 to be exact). If your going to take away features based solely on "it's not classic" then how can you possibly add new "non classic" features.

Kunark was released April 2000, first Botb was Oct 2000. So this shouldn't be introduced until after Sky, the hole, Kunark is released.

[Shurid]

Link to Botb titles:

http://eqplayers.station.sony.com/news_article.vm?id=50468&month=062007

[Zordana]

I vaguely remember some alterations for each class best of the best. A few were really straight forward (warrior for example) but I think the cleric one had a twist. Something about each cleric having a NPC that would duke it out. The the players would have to make some tactical adjustments instead of a boring heal fest. I am fuzzy on some of the details but I will check with a buddy who did participate on the cleric botb on Rallos Zek.

welcome Feiel :)

[Phallax]

I vaguely remember some alterations for each class best of the best. A few were really straight forward (warrior for example) but I think the cleric one had a twist. Something about each cleric having a NPC that would duke it out. The the players would have to make some tactical adjustments instead of a boring heal fest. I am fuzzy on some of the details but I will check with a buddy who did participate on the cleric botb on Rallos Zek.

Yea enchanters had mobs that spawned on em I believe.

And for the dude thats bitching about it "not being classic" this isnt a feature its an event and Rogean already stated 1 would be ran every expansion. So just drop that right now.

[Kraftwerk]

Everyone knows two magicians going 1v1 is the most epic culmination of strategy and split second decision making.

[Mleh]

Everyone knows two magicians going 1v1 is the most epic culmination of strategy and split second decision making.

/pet attack
/cast nuke
/pet back
/pet attack
/pet back
/pet attack
/cast nuke
/say lol my pet killed you faster than your pet killed me

[Kraftwerk]

/pet attack
/cast nuke
/pet back
/pet attack
/pet back
/pet attack
/cast nuke
/say lol my pet killed you faster than your pet killed me

Who leaked this top secret information?

[imcrunchy]

i cant wait for thsi!

[Neckrodeemus]

I got "The Illusionist" title for the Enchanter Botb on RN, 2001. No fee was required to participate. No items disallowed. If you ran out of the arena, you DQ'd.
Held at Lake Rathe Arena. Gm stripped buffs, said "Go!" and it was on.

[azeth]

what was your name on RN? if neckrodeemus, never heard of u

[Thorjorkill]

GM stripped buffs from every classes participants, FM/FH, no fear, 3. 2. 1. Go! Go! Go!

There was never a variance other than pet classes had 2 minutes to summon a pet before the fight, once that two minute window was up, med to full and it was on.

Outside interference resulted in a 7 day ban on the tribunal.

[Coalrymer]

Each player was stripped of all buffs, via mass dispell from GM.
You must stay on the top part of the platform in Arena.
Each player had X time to buff, forget exact time.
Players could only "use" equipable item clickies and were NOT allowed to item swap once the match had begun.
Stuff like /disc. LoH and HT were allowed but if your next round came up before the timer was up that was somthing you risked, the GM would not reset them.

Other than this info. For 1v1, big decision would probably be: To have set gear, or use what you have. Set gear removes the advantage raid guilds have(mostly) on casual players. But "Use what you have" allows people to show how much work they put in their character as well.

Personally I'm for set gear.
Just my 2 coppers.

[Cyrano]

Live used the "what you have" gear reqs.

[rioisk]

Set gear levels the playing ground, invites more people to participate. Really no point to PvP unless your gear is near top-end.

[Cyrano]

It also kills incentive for people to prepare. It's called best of the best, not best of the skilled. Preparation and the time/forethought required to be prepared for this event are part of what separated winners from losers. If they give us all the same gear why stop there? How about temporarily leveling everyone to 50?

Go read aftathott's essay on this same subject following winning the bard serverwide botb. This is effectively a pro-am competition and you don't make the pro golfers play with worse clubs or balls to level the comp. IMO make a casual bracket but give money as a reward while giving a title to the winner of the open bracket. Gear is so crappy right now the difference between a good casual and a good raider is pretty minor. It's the rare/quest items that specifically offset good pvpers from the unprepared ones.

[rioisk]

Should call it "Best of the Most Played + Geared Characters" then.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I competed in the Monk botb, made it to server finals, Apocalus beat me (damn cats in hats gearing him up!). We didn't have time to buff, even self buffs not allowed. No guise, or anything.

[akahdrin]

botb on e'ci had a 30 second buff time. was enough time for me to cast a pet, shielding, and dmf and disease.

[thegreatyak]

I attended the Shaman best of the best on Tallon Zek, and if I remember correctly, you were expected to have over 100pp on you for noobs to run in and loot off your corpse after you died in battle.

Players were mass dispelled before the battle and there was a period (I believe 2 minutes, will have to check with my brother who participated) to summon pet/buff.

You were not allowed to leave the ring (which was the arena in Lake Rathe).

Love,
Waverly (then Krobar)

[Kelven]

Did anyone watch the Druid Botb's during Kunark? I'm pretty sure the finals lasted over an hour. I was about to just take a nap for a while and come back when Velious was released.

[r0xx0r]

iwould love to see botb here

[Koota]

Was on the team of Rallos Zek's Test of Tactics, which was an absolute blast. However, that took place during Kunark era.

Believe it or not, the majority of gear that makes you a far harder opponent in a PvP situation has nothing to do with acquiring it from raids. Fact is, most of it is group-able to obtain, and even more of it is crafted. There were certain pieces I used that a level 30 could obtain for years and years on Rallos Zek.

While true, the raid gear may give you a bit more hp/mana/ac, but that really isn't your goal with your PvP gear until you hit a certain threshold of across the board resists. As a casual raiding Monk, I could wipe the floor with the hardcore raiders on Rallos Zek (MiM, Begotten, ASD, for those who are from RZ). While twinks that were properly geared with resists, and knew what they were doing were by far the harder contender.

tl;dr - No reason to preset gear. It's not hard to even the playing ground. Best of the best (skill, class, gear). Not Best of the Skill.

[Gorroth]

No point in PvP when spell resists are this fucked up. Might as well stack HP gear and see who comes up with the best spell sequence.

[oldhead]

Other than this info. For 1v1, big decision would probably be: To have set gear, or use what you have. Set gear removes the advantage raid guilds have(mostly) on casual players. But "Use what you have" allows people to show how much work they put in their character as well.

Personally I'm for set gear.
Just my 2 coppers.

if its not set gear I wont even bother to enter... :p

[oldhead]

It also kills incentive for people to prepare. It's called best of the best, not best of the skilled. Preparation and the time/forethought required to be prepared for this event are part of what separated winners from losers. If they give us all the same gear why stop there? How about temporarily leveling everyone to 50?

Go read aftathott's essay on this same subject following winning the bard serverwide botb. This is effectively a pro-am competition and you don't make the pro golfers play with worse clubs or balls to level the comp. IMO make a casual bracket but give money as a reward while giving a title to the winner of the open bracket. Gear is so crappy right now the difference between a good casual and a good raider is pretty minor. It's the rare/quest items that specifically offset good pvpers from the unprepared ones.

sounds like you have good gear :D

[stormiejs]

I'm really excited about a BotB and I hope it happens. I won't bother if everyone is given the same skills, gear, or level, that would ruin the whole point of it. EverQuest is not a game of skill, it's a game based entirely on gear; if you think otherwise, you're completely delusional. People worked hard to get gear, it's not our fault that you were lazy about it.

Any word on if this is going to happen?

[ahenfv]

FFA i participated in had a 2 min buff period and then people were ported inside. no exiting/leving up spires. No items disallowed, no rezzing.

me vs. the last person (as a necro) lasted near 20min, people got bored and the GMs rooted me so i couldn't kite. i lost shortly after and forever held a grudge against my server GM for it..

[Amra]

I'm really excited about a BotB and I hope it happens. I won't bother if everyone is given the same skills, gear, or level, that would ruin the whole point of it. EverQuest is not a game of skill, it's a game based entirely on gear; if you think otherwise, you're completely delusional. People worked hard to get gear, it's not our fault that you were lazy about it.

Any word on if this is going to happen?

Yea we all know gear matters...duh? I think some of peoples point here is why should the poopsockers be consider the best on the server just cause they wait for dragons 24/7? (Just FYI people didn't even do this on live congrats!)

I'm not saying the people with more time shouldn't be giving an advantage as that is part of the game, but what about all the new people on the server myself included. I'm by no means a lazy player as you so put it...I've been playing a little more than a month and already 40. I think the easiest and fairest solution would be to just disallow dragon/god loot from the competition as only the top percent can even get a chance at the gear because of all the camping.

[Mountaineer]

Go back through the all the servers BotBs for each class. I doubt you'll find more than 3 or 4 servers winners (out of ALL of the servers) for all of the classes that werent in the top guild or 2nd/3rd best guild.

[Loretta]

The only FFA I remember was the one with Hybrid/Melee and Casters/Priests

I won the FFA as a DE warrior - Saved all my disc's till the end, was epic. Though the GMs limiting the final 4 to the top of the platform kind of took away the strengths of a kiting ranger/bard and made them die :).

[guineapig]

Resists are currently based on a 400 max resist cap instead of 200 or 255.
For classic that's a bit too steep (unless you are a bard with a snazy drum and resist potions).

[matahari]

I am ready. To get my ass kicked on all my toons.

[eqdruid76]

It's all relative, here.

On Project 1999, the Best of the Best is still fail. :(

[Deathmask]

Hey I just started a few days ago and I'm lvl 6... Do you guys think I'll have time to make it to the tournament on a normal leveling basis?

[Crash]

While this isn't something I'd be interested in participating in, I think it's an awesome idea. +1

[Raavak]

LoH and HT were allowed but if your next round came up before the timer was up that was somthing you risked, the GM would not reset them.
In the Shadowknight tourney the GM /kill'd us to reset our HT.

Was it on E'ci or some other server, in the Necro tourney, to protest necro uselessness in raids, two guys just stood there twitching each other.

[Raavak]

I thought the first route of these took place in Kunark - though if you wanted BotB for each expansion that would make sense.
I think they started in Kunark but didn't get around to all classes until into SoV. I know I was beat by an uberguild troll SK with a ToV West mace.

[Deathmask]

I think with only one server, things would probably progress much faster, so we probably won't have to wait till SOV. BTW I'm lvl 8 now I'm gonna try making it! >_<

[Mountaineer]

I think they said they wanted to do 1 at the end of classic (before Kunark came out). Another one at the end of Kunark (before velious came out). And another at the end of Velious, like after Sleepers has been raided and shit.

[Daakkon]

I am the best

[Stanlei]

I am the best

negative, this guy is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw

I will be climbing into the windows of the Arena next time.

[Deathmask]

Stanlei you dont have to come and confess, were lookin for you! WE GON FIND YOU!

[Kaldyn]

Gear isn't everything. Kamzan from TZ almost won the Server wide warrior botb despite being severely under geared.

[kiaser90]

Kamzan was a god and all shall respect him. A 'chanter friend (Muffinmicks) and I helped him get the first warrior epic on Tallon Zek. He needed rebreathers for the quest we made them for him.

[Dantes]

So you can't use pumice stones? I used to rock hybrids with pumice stones. Damage shield? Pumice stone! Rooted or snared? Pumice stone! I suppose if it's class specific it really doesn't matter. Not like another Warrior is gonna cast root. Heh heh.

[jeffd]

No point in PvP when spell resists are this fucked up.

^

[Mountaineer]

They too busy with other things to do a BotB anyways. Maybe in late Kunark we'll get one :-/

[Old Dog]

Was it on E'ci or some other server, in the Necro tourney, to protest necro uselessness in raids, two guys just stood there twitching each other.[/QUOTE]

It was E'ci. I remember the chatter about it. I was a dwarven cleric (Clerics of Norrath ~ An all healing guild) as my main (Maewyn). Good times. My rogue was in Arbiters up to 60. E'ci and FV were great servers.

Nice memory bump. Glad I found this server last week. Nice to relive it.

[stonebeard22]

Haha that is a good memory from E'ci. Spaceley Sprokkets Gnome Enchanter checking in 8 years later or so. Excited to be apart of this new / old community.

[JustinWK]

GM stripped buffs from every classes participants, FM/FH, no fear, 3. 2. 1. Go! Go! Go!

There was never a variance other than pet classes had 2 minutes to summon a pet before the fight, once that two minute window was up, med to full and it was on.

Outside interference resulted in a 7 day ban on the tribunal.

Yes, thanks to Fleetwoodd (I think his wizard was Spitfyre or whatever) killing a Guide during the original BoTB, that rule was definitely reiterated.

Pretty fucking funny.

[DevGrousis]

Can we get last man standings and Test of Tactics first?


Last Man Standing = FFA (60+ people) whoever was the last standing, won.
Test of Tactics = 6 v 6 tactical PVP. (No resses etc)

lol rogue hide :P

[gangtar3]

I also took part in some sweet race wars in which it was evils lil peeps elves etc everyone payed x amount of pp lvls 35 plus all go to your corners 5 4 3 2 1 go last race standing splits the pot was fun and mass chaos....therris thule

[Mountaineer]

BotBs have been canceled, due to not enough time for GMs. So yeah. Might as well unsticky this. No reason to get people's hopes up any more.

[twizztid]

I actually won the one on Rathe as a paladin. And yes a bard did try to kite us with selos - but the GM-Vaylin, snared the entire platform and he died in 0.3 seconds later.

Kyaf / Docs / Kainzo / Deciderius were the last contenders, it was a ton of fun.

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Back to the original BotB (Class vs Same Class) - I thought the first route of these took place in Kunark - though if you wanted BotB for each expansion that would make sense.

Sounds like a pretty ghetto admin to get involved like that, I'de be pretty pissed.

[The Real Gatotaco]

Sounds like a pretty ghetto admin to get involved like that, I'de be pretty pissed.

Yea, Gaylin was pretty suck, but the head GMs that came after him progressively got worse from what I remember.

[koppo]

I am all for events , but wouldnt the time be better spent fixing all the known issues first ?. After V4 there are a lot of known issues now affecting game play ..just my 2 penny worth

[chuck norris]

As far as I know I won the first one ! O.o 7k plat lawl

[landrover]

COOL BEANS

[orsk]

so this isnt going to happen anymore?

[Sythyst]

I remember a last man standing on RZ. It was pure madness, which made it so damn fun. I believe there was a debuff, buff window (not sure how long), and we had to stay within a certain area. Other than that, it was chaos.

[orsk]

WTB best of best tourny!

[Uthgaard]

We didn't have time for one before Kunark, but we can probably have one before epics go live, and one before velious.

[Muerte]

I was in BOTB.

This is what I remember.

- Being buffed with shield of the magi, spirit armor, and having my skeleton pet up and hasted, and being FM before the fight. This means we had more than 30 seconds to prep. I think it was 2-3 minutes.

- Nobody else is allowed to buff you.

- Switching spells was allowed during the fight, but it was risky. I don't know about switching items.

- There were no pumice stones because I remember melee classes complaining. I remember using my jboots.

- Fear was not allowed, I remember using screaming terror.

I also remember losing.

It was a while ago, so it's really hazy. I remember who I lost too though:)

[Lazortag]

I'd probably participate in one of these but the bard vs. bard duels would be seriously boring.

[Heebee]

- There were no pumice stones because I remember melee classes complaining. I remember using my jboots.

No right click items were allowed.

30 Second buff time before fight (self-buffs only).

[Knuckle]

We didn't have time for one before Kunark, but we can probably have one before epics go live, and one before velious.

eta on red99?

[Muerte]

No right click items were allowed.

30 Second buff time before fight (self-buffs only).

Ty. Winning gave you the title right? Heebee The Cavalier

[Heebee]

Ty. Winning gave you the title right? Heebee The Cavalier

Yes

[PurelyElf]

Jeez, the BotBs had all these dumb rules?

y so blue :/

[Lucia Moonglow]

I also remember mention of some sort of tournament Verant had, but can't remember what it was called.

It was held on another server I think, and characters were copied there for the tournament without their gear, then some "basic" gear was provided so that everyone was on even footing with gear and the fight came down to skill rather than equipment (Such as all warriors being in full Crafted, all rangers in Ivy Etched, etc). It might have been the group BotB they had which was either 4-on-4 or a full 6-on-6.

[falkun]

can't remember what it was called.

It might have been the group BotB they had which was either 4-on-4 or a full 6-on-6.

Wasn't that called "Test of Tactics"?

[Mcbard]

Wasn't that called "Test of Tactics"?

Correct. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6qoMoRN2Jk

[pjrod]

Cleric best of the best went as follows:
there were 2 gm played ogres with the same gear rooted in place within melee range of eachother. one was red one was blue. when the match start both just hit attack and dont do anything else. If either the cleric or their ogre died they lost the match. the 30 second buff time was kinda tricky because you have to buff yourself and your ogre.
for all matches not just cleric there were rules for everyone in the areana like if anyone casts any spells or says somthing in a public channel like say shout or oot they would get suspended because it can get in the way of the matches.

[appariti0n]

On Brell I was the favorite to win the wizzie botb, and then lost in the first round because I fizzled manaskin like 5 times in a row during the buffing period. woot.

[Eyeke]

Correct. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6qoMoRN2Jk

ED owned test of tactics.

[Taketz]

I attended the Shaman best of the best on Tallon Zek, and if I remember correctly, you were expected to have over 100pp on you for noobs to run in and loot off your corpse after you died in battle.

Players were mass dispelled before the battle and there was a period (I believe 2 minutes, will have to check with my brother who participated) to summon pet/buff.

You were not allowed to leave the ring (which was the arena in Lake Rathe).

Love,
Waverly (then Krobar)

My buddy Luthe won that one. I believe there was time for buffing from memory but I'm not sure.

[SyanideGas]

BOTB Awesome stuff :P

[Ele]

No right click items were allowed.

30 Second buff time before fight (self-buffs only).

Druids had the ability to use right click items.

Most used epic and ES arms.

Although if you wanted to win you didn't click on your epic.

[Heebee]

Druids had the ability to use right click items.

Most used epic and ES arms.

Although if you wanted to win you didn't click on your epic.

Paladins we're most definitely not allowed to use right click items (no jboots, scarab glands, grim aura earrings, deepwater armor str buff, bp symbol etc.), definitely not on my server, and definitely not in the finals on Test Server (with the individual winners from each server) which I also participated in.

I can't see why it would have been different for any other classes, unless the druid botb was earlier than the paladin botb, and the organisers at some point decided that right click items weren't allowed.

[PurelyElf]

Why would right click items be such a bad idea?

[Mountaineer]

Cause there are like 200 different right click items that people could stock up on

[PurelyElf]

Cause there are like 200 different right click items that people could stock up on

Yes, and the smart players would. Why is gear allowed to be different at all if they are going to limit some of it?

To make things fair, characters could be given the exact same gear and made to be the same race for the botb.

[Buffet]

Competed in BoB Paladin during Classic and the GM killed us after each match to reset LoH for us.

Kind of important for Pally/SK

[Nirgon]

Change format from arena to fully spawned seb, start one team outside of bubble, other team inside. First team to kill Trakanon wins.

[Treats]

Why would right click items be such a bad idea?

Soulfire.

[Rais]

Wizard weren't allowed to use right clicks on Veeshan. It had to do with the clicking of a instant spell, refreshing your spell icons instantly. No idea about the other servers.

[Rickey]

I haven't played in 5 or 6 months, I was in the guild dozekar .. has the epics came out yet? and how bout a best of the best?

[Mcbard]

I haven't played in 5 or 6 months, I was in the guild dozekar .. has the epics came out yet? and how bout a best of the best?

No and No.. and I think Dozekar has become "reclamation".

[Nirgon]

Wait till pvp server is going. Have BotB on blue, on red, then winners of each fight each other in a red vs blue show down.

[Eabon]

BotB's would be really cool =)

[Brimacombe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5V71P2vFGQ

- Brimacombe
- Absynthesis Penetralia of Sullon Zek. Good Team.
- GL of Silverthread

[bamzal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5V71P2vFGQ

epic barrel roll at 3:31

[Caed]

I remember you Muerte I think lol.

I won the necro BotB on Terris Thule. Remember having to fight Liqwid for the final fight. Fun times...

You were allowed to fear, it was a mostly a match of fearing and dispelling the pet. Then if the pet broke you'd quickly cancel the dispell and cast a spell against the opponent.

Caed
Dwarec Mercs

I was in BOTB.

This is what I remember.

- Being buffed with shield of the magi, spirit armor, and having my skeleton pet up and hasted, and being FM before the fight. This means we had more than 30 seconds to prep. I think it was 2-3 minutes.

- Nobody else is allowed to buff you.

- Switching spells was allowed during the fight, but it was risky. I don't know about switching items.

- There were no pumice stones because I remember melee classes complaining. I remember using my jboots.

- Fear was not allowed, I remember using screaming terror.

I also remember losing.

It was a while ago, so it's really hazy. I remember who I lost too though:)

[Heebee]

I remember you Muerte I think lol.

I won the necro BotB on Terris Thule. Remember having to fight Liqwid for the final fight. Fun times...

You were allowed to fear, it was a mostly a match of fearing and dispelling the pet. Then if the pet broke you'd quickly cancel the dispell and cast a spell against the opponent.

Caed
Dwarec Mercs

Hey Caed, I remember you mate :)

PS Muerte - stop disappearing ffs! :P

[Caed]

Hey Heebee,

For sure I remember you, and all the Valon folks...

Those were some good times. I found an old directory on my computer containing alot of screen shots and the chat log from the Necro BoTB fights, brought back some memories so I thought I'd check out project 1999.

Level 3 necro again baby! ;)

Any old Terris Thule folks play on here?

Hey Caed, I remember you mate :)

PS Muerte - stop disappearing ffs! :P

[sucette]

Hiho , i have been playing on terris thule and i also remember doing some tov raiding with valon. I couldn't play much with valon much since they were raiding in the middle of the night for a euro guy.

I remember a halfing warrior female called Pippi and a ranger kiritin or something !

I raided with Divine Vengeance (with Blap as leader), Justice Divine, a little with valon and with Darkwind.

I was then a halfing rogue female called Sucette.

Nice to see some other ex terris thule players around !

[Kevynne]

i know this is old, but will there be a botb tournament for velious?
i was in one on p99 blue i think, but i got crushed real fast (cures you lvl 50s. raping a lvl 15 enc!)

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Actually iirc I was summoned to a small room in qcat by gm, slain, ressed, summoned back to arena and watched lol. Might have a ss or 2 somewhere...

[Heebee]

Hiho , i have been playing on terris thule and i also remember doing some tov raiding with valon. I couldn't play much with valon much since they were raiding in the middle of the night for a euro guy.

I remember a halfing warrior female called Pippi and a ranger kiritin or something !

I raided with Divine Vengeance (with Blap as leader), Justice Divine, a little with valon and with Darkwind.

I was then a halfing rogue female called Sucette.

Nice to see some other ex terris thule players around !

Hi Sucette ;-) I'm not sure I remember you, but I am still in contact with both Pippi and Kiritin (and many other old Valon members)

[Heebee]

Any old Terris Thule folks play on here?

Damn, only just saw this post mate.

There were a few old TT players here, I don't think any of them play any more though.

[Lazortag]

I heard something about a BotB happening soon? This is of interest to me since I plan on winning it.

[Valiant]

[QUOTE=Brimacombe;509022]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5V71P2vFGQ

hey look im in the video, good times

[Ambrotos]

I heard something about a BotB happening soon? This is of interest to me since I plan on winning it.

I will try and have an outline up by tomorrow night, and with some feed back. Mainly with what levels will be allowed and such.

[Tarathiel]

I will try and have an outline up by tomorrow night, and with some feed back. Mainly with what levels will be allowed and such.

!!!!!!!!!

[Supaskillz]

can we ban ivander's hoop? thank you, that is all

[arsenalpow]

Ban all those offensive clickies (wands/hoops/etc) and also ban tstaff for the monk botb since its just absurd.

[Lanuven]

Not being able to switch weps once the fight would start would be super lame. Imo that is what makes the player the "Best." Being able to use all the tools he has available to the best of his ability.

Supaskillz, NO! If so, I'll just have to barrow someone Tobrin's eyepatch =)

[Supaskillz]

Not being able to switch weps once the fight would start would be super lame. Imo that is what makes the player the "Best." Being able to use all the tools he has available to the best of his ability.

Supaskillz, NO! If so, I'll just have to barrow someone Tobrin's eyepatch =)

im cool with you using torbin's eyepatch, just not lifetapping me for 1500....

[Lanuven]

Bah, read that wrong. Thought you said fingerbone hoop. Yeah, Ivander's hoop would be lame.

[Silentone]

sweet incoming white dragon toof =p

[Brimacombe]

I think we should stick to the Dev's methods. Otherwise it will turn into a "Best of the Best if all the rules are set up in my favor". If you are the best of the best you can handle whatever is thrown at you. Otherwise, you are not.

"Soft beds make soft people"
-Brimacombe

[Supaskillz]

I think we should stick to the Dev's methods. Otherwise it will turn into a "Best of the Best if all the rules are set up in my favor". If you are the best of the best you can handle whatever is thrown at you. Otherwise, you are not.

"Soft beds make soft people"
-Brimacombe

ivander's hoop blantantly rules out some races from winning any class botb. I guess the best of the best are all races who can equip the hoop.

[Lazortag]

im cool with you using torbin's eyepatch, just not lifetapping me for 1500....

It's 900 damage, reduced by 33% because it's pvp, so 600 damage at most. And that's without resists. Just doesn't seem that powerful - I'm more worried about wand of conflagration.

ivander's hoop blantantly rules out some races from winning any class botb. I guess the best of the best are all races who can equip the hoop.

Aren't there several rounds to a BotB? And can't this be said of many items that are specific to certain races?

[Supaskillz]

It's 900 damage, reduced by 33% because it's pvp, so 600 damage at most. And that's without resists. Just doesn't seem that powerful - I'm more worried about wand of conflagration.

I did not know that it was reduced by 33% for pvp, but a 1200pt life swing seems pretty massive in a melee duel nonetheless. Also I thought lifetaps were very nearly unresistable.

[Ele]

I did not know that it was reduced by 33% for pvp, but a 1200pt life swing seems pretty massive in a melee duel nonetheless. Also I thought lifetaps were very nearly unresistable.

The resistance checks were changed on all lifetaps when the Hoop nerf went into effect.

[Ele]

Aren't there several rounds to a BotB?

The BotBs usually had the participants gather at the arena at the specified time and announce their participation. The event coordinator would then randomly pair everyone up in a single-elimination bracket to narrow it down to the eventual winner.


In regards to specific BotBs and clickies:
The use of rechargeable clickie items shouldn't be allowed at all. Other clickies such as ES vambraces and epic effects should be allowed on a class-by-class and case-by case-basis to match the original BotB experiences.

The Wizard BotB did not allow meleeing, and had a small window for buffing.
The Druid BotB allowed a small window for buffing and use of ES vambraces and epic clicks.
The Cleric BotB was interesting as it set up two competing warriors rooted in place with the same gear load out that would auto-attack each other on the starting shot. The clerics then had to duel and maintain their warrior's hp totals at the same time. If either you or your warrior died, then you lost.

IIRC Warriors and Rogues got to use fungi tunics and use what ever weapons (and rogues poisons) they had without any clickies or buffs (outside of weapon procs).

[Brimacombe]

Death by a thousand qualifications.
Class balance is a myth. The best the devs can shoot for is rock-paper-scissors

-Brimacombe

[Nuggie]

Not going to read 11 pages to see if this was posted already. Don't have contestants in the same group. /follow is a bitch when you're trying to avoid your opponents frontside. It also allows them to circumvent blind spells.

[Mountaineer]

Either let everyone have anything and/or everything they have access to (with a few exceptions of pure unfair/unbalanced items/clickies).....or start everyone off completely naked with nothing in inventory, and give everyone a random 'average' set of gear that would be suitable to an average player. That way everyone would have the same gear, same spells, same effects etc....and then the 'Best of the Best' would prevail.

[Happyfeet]

Either let everyone have anything and/or everything they have access to (with a few exceptions of pure unfair/unbalanced items/clickies).....or start everyone off completely naked with nothing in inventory, and give everyone a random 'average' set of gear that would be suitable to an average player. That way everyone would have the same gear, same spells, same effects etc....and then the 'Best of the Best' would prevail.

EQ is gear collection/setup, you gotta use your own gear.

[Nirgon]

Maybe, and heh heh this is a big maybe, try to make sure the classic rule sets from each BotB are followed.

Team 5v5s are the most exciting, followed maybe by the melee fights.

Druid / cleric botb were complete ass. Especially the druid one, I actually gated out from that shit. Watching someone with a primal brawl stick and drones of doom clicky chase around someone with flowing thought 5 was nerve grinding.

[Brimacombe]

Yeah, fighting healers... pack a lunch.

-Brimacombe

[Supaskillz]

so just to be clear, are rogue poisons allowed?

[Xanthias]

So when will the lists of combatants be released?

[lilyanna]

Hmm yes looking forward to watching rather than participating.. hope its a time when us Euros can see it as well :p

[Ambrotos]

I will release the list on Thursday night. I'll allow anyone who still wants to enter to do so by 6pm est Thursday night.

So far looking at about 10-13 people for each of the classes.

As for poisons, I didn't even think about that. I'm inclined to say no till I get feed back from staff about it. Have it just in case. I think that would be a nice tactic a rogue can do,since it is a rogue only ability.

[Mountaineer]

If shaman's cant use potions, then rogues shouldnt be allowed to use poisons...just saying :p

[Ele]

Rogue poisons were allowed back in the original BotB, as a class specific exception to the otherwise general rule no clickies allowed:

Poisons are a trademark of the rogues, and I have only one request on the topic, this being that no blindness poisons are applied and used against each other. This is to ensure that the matches are based on true skill and trickery, not a false trickery granted by a poison.

Rest of original rogue rules set linked here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=672640&postcount=27

[Ambrotos]

The right hand of Ambrotos has spoken,and poisons will be allowed.

[Lanuven]

Rogue poisons were allowed back in the original BotB, as a class specific exception to the otherwise general rule no clickies allowed:



Rest of original rogue rules set linked here: http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=672640&postcount=27

This is considered official ? Its a mere copy / paste of the original rules set forth as they were posted and commented about in the Safehouse forums. Not the edited or final rules before the event took place ?

Where is the original posting of the thread from Harpy's ? I could not find.

[Nirgon]

I will release the list on Thursday night. I'll allow anyone who still wants to enter to do so by 6pm est Thursday night.

So far looking at about 10-13 people for each of the classes.

As for poisons, I didn't even think about that. I'm inclined to say no till I get feed back from staff about it. Have it just in case. I think that would be a nice tactic a rogue can do,since it is a rogue only ability.

Rogue poison was used in their BOTB

[Ephi]

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