Question about Agility.

[Blackdog22]

I made an Ogre Shadowknight and was told you need to have 75 Agility to not have an AC Penalty I heard. Well, I just became overencumbered and my AC stayed the same. I am now thinking that it was "over" 75 Agility to not take the penalty.


Just kinda wondering if it is in fact over 75 agility. If so I will have to reroll my SK I guess. Unless there is another way or some kind of easy to obtain AGI ranged trinket? I have been looking up quests and can't find anything for AGI hardly that SK Ogres can wear.

[gedeost]

This is classic Everquest, you're supposed to send random tells to people asking random questions.

If only there was a way to communcate with people on the server...

[Gaimcap]

Wait what? I'm not quite understanding what you're saying >.<.

Edit: Ahhh lol yes... You must have 75 agi or over.

[Uaellaen]

It will not reduce your displayed AC value, it will just be used as a negative multiplicator against your AC as far as i know

[Reiker]

Going from 74 to 75 agi on live most definitely had a huge impact on your displayed AC.

[Kerrik]

AC is a combination of two components, your avoidance and your mitigation.

The AC number you see on gear only counts towards mitigation. If you add 1000 AC to your gear, you will not take a single less hit than you would have taken with absolutely no gear at all. The advantage of gear AC is that those hits will tend, on average, to be for less damage. So with 1000 AC worth of gear, you're much more likely to survive taking those hits than you would have naked.

AGI affects your avoidance value. When your AGI drops below 75 (due to excess weight of gear or detrimental effects cast upon you) you take more hits. As your AC goes up from 75, your avoidance increases, but not as quickly as it in effect increased getting to 75.

Now it is possible that if your AGI dropped below 75 the AC value you see listed on your character did not appear to decrease all that much. That's because the bulk of the displayed value is from your mitigation AC. In that case, you will rapidly see mobs' accuracy increase (and thus your health drop faster and faster in fights) even while the AC value appears to have only dropped slightly.

Bottom line, you should always try to keep your AGI above 75. While the apparent change to your displayed AC is slight, the actual impact of the change can be quite severe as mobs go from landing (as an example) 50% of their attacks to 80% or more...

[Twani]

wow, thanks kerrik, i definitely benefited from your post! yay, keep that knowledge coming please

[Reiker]

http://projecteqemu.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/EQEmuServer/zone/attack.cpp

[BlackBellamy]

http://projecteqemu.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/EQEmuServer/zone/attack.cpp !!!!


void Mob::CommonDamage(Mob* attacker, sint32 &damage, const int16 spell_id, const SkillType skill_used, bool &avoidable, const sint8 buffslot, const bool iBuffTic) {

Ahhhh thanks it's all crystal clear now....

[Blackdog22]

So as long as I have 75 Agility on my Shadowknight I shouldn't be taking the penalty is what it sounds like.

The one thing that had me curious was on my Bard who has over 75 AGI (He has 78) I would notice his AC drop when I was overencumbered and dropped below the 75AC mark, but on my SK when my AC dropped under 75 I noticed no such penalty. It made me assume that the penalty was already in place, and thus over 75 Agility was the safe point.

[Yuda]

Revisiting an old topic here, if someone could answer my question I would appreciate it.

I made an Ogre shaman and did not know about this minimum 75agi or receive avoidance penalty which negatively impacts total AC value.

Is this 75agi value only counting from your natural agi stat, that is without any buffs or stat benefits from armor?

If that is the case I regret not putting 5 stat points into AGI from the start as i think the AC value is very important to the shaman, solo or in group.
I am lvl 40 now so i will not reroll, however the min-maxer in me is curious about it.

[Ennoia]

Revisiting an old topic here, if someone could answer my question I would appreciate it.

I made an Ogre shaman and did not know about this minimum 75agi or receive avoidance penalty which negatively impacts total AC value.

Is this 75agi value only counting from your natural agi stat, that is without any buffs or stat benefits from armor?

If that is the case I regret not putting 5 stat points into AGI from the start as i think the AC value is very important to the shaman, solo or in group.
I am lvl 40 now so i will not reroll, however the min-maxer in me is curious about it.

Total agility, including gear, buffs, etc. AC doesn't matter for Shaman in a group or solo setting...either way you shouldn't be getting hit.

[Yuda]

Thanks for quick reply confirming it is TOTAL AGILITY that counts towards the 75AGI threshold.

As for shaman should not get hit. I think some people play shaman trying to max wis and making sure not to get hit, however it is rather risky as when slowing in a group or raid setting getting aggro is a real issue.
Personally I like to get up close and personal with mobs and relish the opportunity to offtank in groups when mezz fails etc. Perhaps this is not the "optimal" way to play, but i sure enjoy it :D

[Yuda]

On second thought, may i ask for confirmation from some others as well please.

http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Shaman_%28EQ%29

"Players starting new Ogre characters should consider putting 5 starting points into Agility to avoid the AC penalty for characters under 75agi. "

Now why would it say that if it was the TOTAL AGI that counted and not the natural, naked AGI?

Seems to me it is most probable it is the natural, naked AGI that counts toward the 75AGI limit for not getting the avoidance penalty.

I hope I am wrong tho as it would bother me thinking about my glorious offtanking capabilities to be slightly diminished, lol.

[Grizlor]

AC doesn't matter for Shaman in a group or solo setting...either way you shouldn't be getting hit.

lol

[shuklak]

shamans tank like a champ!

[Yuda]

Thanks for the support guys, shaman can tank!
I got 750AC at lvl 40 which means i can take as much beating as the tank next to me, well, errr, maybe for not as long, but still.

Seriously, I am very curious about this. I remember reading a post from a number cruncher here on the forums using some statistical words i have long forgotten. You want to chime in please here regarding the 75AGI limit if it's the naked AGI amount that counts ;)

[Droop]

Shamans hold aggro better than warriors :-p.

[astuce999]

On second thought, may i ask for confirmation from some others as well please.

http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Shaman_%28EQ%29

"Players starting new Ogre characters should consider putting 5 starting points into Agility to avoid the AC penalty for characters under 75agi. "

Now why would it say that if it was the TOTAL AGI that counted and not the natural, naked AGI?

Seems to me it is most probable it is the natural, naked AGI that counts toward the 75AGI limit for not getting the avoidance penalty.

I hope I am wrong tho as it would bother me thinking about my glorious offtanking capabilities to be slightly diminished, lol.

There is no such thing as a naked or natural statistic, there is only the amount shown on your inventory screen which is the total from your items, buffs, and initial stats.

5 str used from initial points don`t let you carry more weight than 5 str from a buff. 5 wis from initial points don`t give you more mana than 5 wis from an item.

The reason they mention considering putting 5 starting points in agility as an ogre is so you don`t have to go out of your way to get gear with agility to get over the 75 threshhold instead of whatever you`d like to add normally.

cheers

[Lagaidh]

Going from 74 to 75 agi on live most definitely had a huge impact on your displayed AC.

I agree. I remember because my dorf had base 73 agi without knowing for a long time (yay 61 base cha :( ) When AAs came out the first damn thing I did was fix that mistake and there was an appreciable multiplier to my AC.

[Pyrocat]

Total agility, including gear, buffs, etc. AC doesn't matter for Shaman in a group or solo setting...either way you shouldn't be getting hit.

Tell that to shamans who solo dragons.

[Pyrocat]

Also which classes and races get inherent AC bonuses? I know Iksars get the equivalent of about 40 AC (at lvl 60? does it scale up to 40ac or do they start with it at +40). Do warriors get more AC from armor / agility than shadowknights? rogues? int casters?

[ithaqua]

iksar ac bonus scaled with level, at least on live
warriors doesn't get more ac then other classes in classic, warriors get better return from ac post softcap though

[Messianic]

Total agility, including gear, buffs, etc. AC doesn't matter for Shaman in a group or solo setting...either way you shouldn't be getting hit.

LOL