View Full Version : What does ATK do?
eqravenprince
12-19-2012, 04:58 PM
If I am in wolf form from a Druid, it says it increases my ATK by 30. Just wondering what it actually does.
joppykid
12-19-2012, 05:00 PM
For a druid nothing really, it increases your attack which makes you melee for a little higher damage than you would normally.
Safon
12-19-2012, 05:06 PM
So is the shrunken gobbo skull earrings buff any good? (Beyond the junk buff dispell stuff)
joppykid
12-19-2012, 05:09 PM
It gives you 10 attack which is pretty minimal. Better than nothing though I guess.
Grim Aura
Surrounds you in a dark aura, increasing your attack rating for 9.0 mins @L3 to 27.0 mins @L9.
Classes
Shadow Knight - Level 22
Necromancer - Level 4
Details
1 : Increase ATK by 7 (L4) to 10 (L10)
eqravenprince
12-19-2012, 05:11 PM
Well I am leveling up a Druid, never played one, and saw the share wolf form spell increases ATK. I assume it's worth casting on any group. Is it outdoors only?
Thana8088
12-19-2012, 05:11 PM
Druid wolf form is good for three things:
1) Running faster
2) Casting on real melee to up their ATK
3) Terrorizing caster group members who hate wolf form
Edit: Yes, outdoor only (like sow).
eqravenprince
12-19-2012, 05:13 PM
Druid wolf form is good for three things:
1) Running faster
2) Casting on real melee to up their ATK
3) Terrorizing caster group members who hate wolf form
Edit: Yes, outdoor only (like sow).
Why does it bother casters?
Furniture
12-19-2012, 05:18 PM
In order to understand atk you need to understand how combat works, when dmg is getting mitigated there is a roll of mitigation vs atk and the higher your atk roll is over the mitigation roll determines which dmg interval will be chosen for dmg
Furniture
12-19-2012, 05:23 PM
Your also forgetting wolf form is useful for the faction changes that comes with it, as for the atk bonus wolf form gives I believe it is highly underrated on this server, an extra 30 to the entire groups atk rating would surely show some significant results over time in a parse vs blue or maybe even white con mobs at least, but most likely would have little impact against yellows and reds due to their higher ac vs your atk rating that 30 wouldn't do much
Droog007
12-19-2012, 06:22 PM
When I played a rogue, everyone was nuts for STR. ATK was where it was at, though. True, STR adds to ATK at 1:1, but for whatever reason, it doesn't seem to be as potent as ATK from buffs like wolf form, garou, grim aura, avatar, etc. There weren't many worn +ATK items within my reach, but I made sure to get all that I could - and I believe it was worth the effort.
Thana8088
12-19-2012, 06:51 PM
Why does it bother casters?
I dunno, but it's SUPER entertaining. :D
Yinikren
12-19-2012, 09:19 PM
Without getting into (possibly unknown) math, str will increase your max damage while higher atk will increase your average damage. Think of dps as a bell curve.
phobus
12-19-2012, 09:57 PM
I dunno, but it's SUPER entertaining. :D
I can't see if a wolf is sitting or standing. So if I'm in wolf form I can't easily tell if I'm medding in third-person.
I figured it was the same for everyone using the classic wolf models?
falkun
12-20-2012, 09:10 AM
When I played a rogue, everyone was nuts for STR. ATK was where it was at, though. True, STR adds to ATK at 1:1, but for whatever reason, it doesn't seem to be as potent as ATK from buffs like wolf form, garou, grim aura, avatar, etc. There weren't many worn +ATK items within my reach, but I made sure to get all that I could - and I believe it was worth the effort.
And this is because STR caps at 255, while ATK can be stacked ad infinitum. Then you realize how stupidly easy STR is to stack to cap, and ATK becomes the stat you are swapping STR gear out for. That and possibly resist gear. It only gets easier with Velious gear.
koros
12-20-2012, 12:14 PM
What Yini said...
If you know any statistics, then it increases negative skew of the distributiion.
If you don't, it means a your average or expected value of a hit will increase, aka you do more damage than you would with lower atk.
Droog007
12-20-2012, 01:09 PM
And this is because STR caps at 255, while ATK can be stacked ad infinitum. Then you realize how stupidly easy STR is to stack to cap, and ATK becomes the stat you are swapping STR gear out for. That and possibly resist gear. It only gets easier with Velious gear.
I disagree. I was well under 255 STR at the time I am referring to (Kunark era, doing only some classic raid content). Many people claimed that ATK was ATK, wether it came from worn/buffed STR, or Avatar, or Vengeance II, or whatever. I don't believe that is true. The ATK rating you see go up when you add STR is a composite and the math is much more complicated than that.
Not saying that STR is meaningless - but the way it adds to your damage output is inferior to "pure" ATK rating mods.
fadetree
12-20-2012, 03:30 PM
I recall ATK having 2 components as well, much like AC did, ie., there were mitigation and avoidance forms of AC. Direct ATK from items and spells supposedly was better than ATK from STR, foggy on why now though...its been too long. I bet a search on Steel Warriors or the safe house would turn up some discussions on it.
Bamzal Sherbet
01-04-2013, 10:00 PM
str affects how much breath u have. dont try swimming after a rez
Tasslehofp99
01-04-2013, 11:05 PM
str affects how much breath u have. dont try swimming after a rez
lol
webrunner5
01-05-2013, 07:49 AM
Why does it bother casters?
Because you can't tell if you are sitting down Medding. I hate it. Not counting the Barking crap.
Twoberries
01-05-2013, 08:10 AM
It also helps get your rocket from the crypt! http://www.atk.com/
Cecily
01-06-2013, 02:58 AM
10 atk = about +1% dps.
http://samanna.net/gen.info/effects.shtml
SupaflyIRL
01-06-2013, 03:19 AM
10 atk = about +1% dps.
This doesn't really mean anything unless you're telling me atk has increasing returns. 10 atk is 1% of what dps, naked dps, going from 0 to 10 or what?
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