View Full Version : Moving from blue - Trying to get a feel.
Ketu Garyx
12-20-2012, 04:08 AM
I played on Rallos Zek back in the day, I wasn't real enthused when I saw the numbers on red here so I have been playing on blue ever since. But...I'm getting bored and like in most games I always find my way back to PVP - I have a few questions however.
How is the PVP scene and is there any love for a noob toon trying to get in or is it simply "too late"
Guilds? I find that on small servers especially on PVP games it tends to be a red vs. blue scenario, 1 guild vs another, is this true of red?
I started writing thinking I had a lot more questions on this but truly, I think I'm about to pass out. I will do a bit more forum snooping tomorrow, but any answers / encouragement will be appreciated. I look forward to killing, and being killed!
Everyday is a good day to die.
Tradesonred
12-20-2012, 09:23 AM
Its a long road to 60 and if pvp is mainly what youre looking for, you should find another game to play.
You lose 1 blue each time you die at 58 and it takes you about an hour grind to get it back.
So if youre thinking about settling in, having a pvp session where you die maybe 5 times in 3 hours, thats 5 hours of solid grinding just to get to the point where u were before in PVE.
Its mainly <Full retard> vs <Nihilum> and Nihi are PVEers so by default not alot of action. And nobody really wants alot of action cuz that means harsh xp loss.
Boring, id skip it
InfamousTaco
12-20-2012, 12:52 PM
Its a long road to 60 and if pvp is mainly what youre looking for, you should find another game to play.
You lose 1 blue each time you die at 58 and it takes you about an hour grind to get it back.
So if youre thinking about settling in, having a pvp session where you die maybe 5 times in 3 hours, thats 5 hours of solid grinding just to get to the point where u were before in PVE.
Its mainly <Full retard> vs <Nihilum> and Nihi are PVEers so by default not alot of action. And nobody really wants alot of action cuz that means harsh xp loss.
Boring, id skip it
Ecoli would you fuck off already? I'd thought that thread I posted with the poll proved that your the only one with panties in a twist about exp loss in pvp.
Nihilum are PvE'rs, yea, nightly raids. But guess what happens after raids? PvP. Guess what happens unscheduled, sporadically, throughout the day? PvP. Guess who calls raids intentionally for shitting on the competition in PvP? Nihilum does.
Server DOES have it's problems, but it's still a lot of fun to play on. Nightly PvP battles, in fact last night there was a giant battle in KC/DL. Didn't hear anyone porting out or begging for mercy because they were gonna lose exp.
SamwiseRed
12-20-2012, 12:55 PM
nightly raids? like every fucking day? dear god in heaven. how is any guild expected to compete with that? the only way to beat that is to give up your family and friends and not have a RL. sounds good.
Andis
12-20-2012, 12:55 PM
ya just cuz you seem to die alot ecoli doesn't mean others will...not nice to turn someone away from a fun box by explaining YOUR experience
Tomatoking
12-20-2012, 12:55 PM
there will be no love unless you transfer money from blue and buy stuff here ( Very possible )
expect to solo or play a solo class and unless you level in unrest dont expect any pvp till later.
you will be welcomed in one of the two guilds once you are around 50 however , depending on your play style or attitude you will make that choice if you stick it out.
population is low which means nothing is contested but you are often lacking key group classes for pve or pvp , is it worth sticking it out? id say yes if you dont pick a penalty class
with a big emphasis on dont pick a penalty class.
if i didnt pick a penalty class id probably still be playing myself.
HippoNipple
12-20-2012, 01:21 PM
Leveling is cake if you are a solo class because there is no pvp and no competition along with an exp bonus. It is however boring because you will be playing by yourself.
Once you are 50 you can join Nihilum and be handed gear if you are willing to raid frequently. That is your only real way to get good gear right now because their guild is the only guild that has been consistently playing since server opened. They were raiding by themselves while the population was around 20 people.
There is plenty of PvP at 50+ but the balance isn't really there. Huge gear imbalance that takes a lot of the skill out of the PvP from a game that already required little skill for PvP. The gratification for a kill is still pretty large compared to most games though, if you are into grief. It does really suck losing in PvP on this server.
Nirgon
12-20-2012, 01:22 PM
Confirm character name on RZ?
SamwiseRed
12-20-2012, 01:40 PM
you can level a rogue here to 54 and be vp keyed in 2 days
Tomatoking
12-20-2012, 01:43 PM
Confirm character name on RZ?
First char was cozmonaut , was a level 12 pk at cb zone for 2 years , then had him at 20 for garrisons mighty mana shock for ganking in paludal area , brought him to 24 and joined horsemen of doom then he went dormant till gates when i took a break from my bard to level him. He went on to join defiant after the merge and was put to sleep around seeds.
My original main on rallos was blumberg a troll war , joined revered ( bad choice ) and was put to sleep shortly after luclin.
Long term main was a bard named Deevus , was in wudan and part of some of the best raiding and team atmosphere ive seen yet , got to experience all pop progression and most of GoD , put to sleep at uqua and was picked up around omens and casually played till 200 petition ban. Played wiz after that until my last zek team
Powerbar was my SK which i kept at 75 as a twink and boxed a clr + 4 mages with software , was able to wreck entire groups and camp difficult content , included solo all darkened mobs and many fabled bosses , cleared some great shit on that team , dps was great and it was fun as hell , long live zek bros.
SamwiseRed
12-20-2012, 01:45 PM
First char was cozmonaut , was a level 12 pk at cb zone for 2 years , then had him at 20 for garrisons mighty mana shock for ganking in paludal area , brought him to 24 and joined horsemen of doom then he went dormant till gates when i took a break from my bard to level him. He went on to join defiant after the merge and was put to sleep around seeds.
My original main on rallos was blumberg a troll war , joined revered ( bad choice ) and was put to sleep shortly after luclin.
Long term main was a bard named Deevus , was in wudan and part of some of the best raiding and team atmosphere ive seen yet , got to experience all pop progression and most of GoD , put to sleep at uqua and was picked up around omens and casually played till 200 petition ban. Played wiz after that until my last zek team
Powerbar was my SK which i kept at 75 as a twink and boxed a clr + 4 mages with software , was able to wreck entire groups and camp difficult content , included solo all darkened mobs and many fabled bosses , cleared some great shit on that team , dps was great and it was fun as hell , long live zek bros.
pretty detailed info, i dont remember shit. guess thats why i am getting compensated by the us govt!
Giovanni
12-20-2012, 02:18 PM
in fact last night there was a giant battle in KC/DL. Didn't hear anyone porting out or begging for mercy because they were gonna lose exp.
Seemed more like a 3v3 against Thrilla, Oddjob, and Phaedra. Big thing for the server nowadays, I know.
SamwiseRed
12-20-2012, 02:21 PM
3v3? jesus pvp on this scale is something ive only dreamed of
Tradesonred
12-20-2012, 08:53 PM
ya just cuz you seem to die alot ecoli doesn't mean others will...not nice to turn someone away from a fun box by explaining YOUR experience
What i hate on this fucking server is how alot of people will say the most ridiculous shit just to "win" an argument.
Remember when you, Abysal, cynda, and some 4th dude ran after me in dagnors and i plunged down with my fishbone earring and almost killed cinda and he had to come up for air and you didnt get to kill me 4v1?
Thats how much i die
The only player that killed me maybe 5 times+ is, ironically, Troriste.
I may not be the best player to get people dead, but i dont die alot. I gauge situations, i even told you it was not the best idea to gather in lavastorm when we were raiding sol B, letting anyone porting in know that we were about to hit it. Thats not the judgement of a bad player, of someone who throws himself into battle without thinking. Tactical advantages, yeah? Or wait that was when i was with Vae Victis... anyway.
Youre just being a dishonest little shit, you know full well that if you have a big battle like we had when i was with you in founding father, 20v20 vs nihilum in lavastorm, somebody has to die. If you keep at it, 20v20 for 3 hours, somebody has to get these 5 deaths, its mathematical. So if you almost never die, it means that these big exciting battles dont happen alot, if at all or you pussy out at 75% and gate. But my guess is that nobody on the server has solid pvp hours daily. Nobody has a ratio of 30mins PVE vs 4h30 PVP on a 50-60 character nightly, I dont beleive it.
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To recap what i said:
Road to 50 will be a long boring one(if youre looking to have pvp on the way up), and once there he will find that its 95% pve and 5% pvp.
Andis If you wanna prove me wrong, and show me a zone where pvp happens alot more than "a group gets killed, group leaves to somewhere else" ill give u the 5k i got on my account.
Sorta like a Red99 embedded journalist. Dont you want 5k? I dare you to let me follow your group around for hours, multiple evenings a week for that fabled exciting red99 pvp and ill give you all the coins i got.
Thats what i thought
Im not acting out of bitterness like these "burn it down" people whove posted threads here in the past, its just i wanna save these guys the waste of time if what they are looking for is a balanced ratio of PVE vs PVP
If you are looking for PVE with a sprinkle of pvp on the side, again, server might be for you
Tomatoking
12-20-2012, 08:56 PM
there is pvp in kc / dl and in OT constantly
trades i still want that cloak and hat from you , can you move your char to firiona vie so i can buy it thanks
SamwiseRed
12-20-2012, 08:58 PM
rmt ^
jeffd
12-20-2012, 09:03 PM
saidin really did give the best advice to the last person that posted a 'starting here' thread
Don't ever. Ever. Ever, ask questions/seek help/browse these forums.
just use global ooc after level 10 and pretend the forums don't exist
SamwiseRed
12-20-2012, 09:14 PM
i think better advice would be to never give out your account info.
Tradesonred
12-20-2012, 09:27 PM
there is pvp in kc / dl and in OT constantly
trades i still want that cloak and hat from you , can you move your char to firiona vie so i can buy it thanks
Cloak and hat?
Dat +2 wis cloak and circlet of leaf or whatev +6 wis? lol
Jenni D
12-21-2012, 03:43 AM
the server would get a lot better if folks from blue didnt keep switching just to join nilly off the bat. gearwise will never be an even playing field.
Andis
12-21-2012, 01:38 PM
KC, Seb, Solb
pvp happens constantly, just like exp
where can we meet for 5k please.
Tradesonred
12-21-2012, 06:21 PM
KC, Seb, Solb
pvp happens constantly, just like exp
where can we meet for 5k please.
What is constantly?
I didnt say PVP did not happen, i said the ratio was poor vs PVE.
If you can show me some people who spend 90% of their time PVPing for days on end ill hand you the money.
My specific example was "Group moves in to KC, kills other group there, fight does not go on for an hour, losing group packs their thing and leaves"
Im not trying to say some PVE groups arent forced to change PVE poopsock spot from PVP
That in fact does happen
Tomatoking
12-21-2012, 06:37 PM
i think what you need to play is a game like league of legends , or battlegrounds in wow , where all you are doing is pvp
if you are here only for pvp , you are in the wrong place big ecoli
btw can my buddy have your shaman if you are bailing? ill give you a discount on a hydro unit if you dont want him.
But i think you should play on red99 still
Tradesonred
12-21-2012, 07:15 PM
i think what you need to play is a game like league of legends , or battlegrounds in wow , where all you are doing is pvp
if you are here only for pvp , you are in the wrong place big ecoli
btw can my buddy have your shaman if you are bailing? ill give you a discount on a hydro unit if you dont want him.
But i think you should play on red99 still
I am not here only for pvp, but here for it alot. If Rallos was setup like this, i wouldnt have played past the first free month. I played 2 years.
Its just so bad.
Its a bad analogy to point out these other games as if EQ was not made to be like this, because Rallos had constant pvp.
Just an example, im playing a 23 rogue on emerald dream WoW emu.
I see this 28 hunter doing an escort quest, his pet is getting attacked by quest mobs. I decide to attack him. I fuck him up good but he finally kills the mobs attacking his pet, gets on me and kills me.
It was a learning experience. I learned that i cant stealth if im marked by a Hunter mark. Next attempt ill be better, and maybe i will die again and keep learning. And have fun while doing it. This is how Rallos was. This is not how Red99 is. Each and every time i meet someone in Wow, the gauging time if i should engage or not isnt long. Wasnt long on rallos either, just /who and bag my shit if there was potential hostiles/targets in zone.
This is the sort of attempt that a new player is penalized for doing here with xp loss. Even having played for that long a time in EQ, im not sure how well a 16 necro will do against a twinked out 18 war. You have to die to learn this. You have to lose progress in PVE (which is mind numbingly boring already, when you are past the first toon nostalgia) in order to have fun in pvp. Especially as a new player who is not twinked out, its a hit or miss gamble each time he attacks a player, and considering the age of the server, chances are he will be getting a hard twink and die.
Of course you could say "but he wont be meeting many twinks, his range is not populated" which is true (and boring if you like pvp). But hypothetically, as soon as pop would get better, people will start making them twinks, bleed out the new players and its back to low pop again.
People are just holding on to that edge they have by already knowing the game, that edge of having twinks that can delevel naked noobs, that edge of zerging/dominating with sheer numbers and xp loss.
This (and the devs who have seemingly no intention of changing this) is why this server will remain low pop. Most new blood will be shredded and shitted out because the learning curve is 90 degrees with xp loss. Not only that, it makes for a really boring experience (to me). I dont play games to get bored. Even as a 59 shaman i had a bunch of learning to do, the prospect of being forced to do lots of PVE just to pvp as much as i wanted to and get really good did me in after i got deleveled to 55.
There is nothing to do in EQ but fight over camps, and devs wont let players do that cuz "This is not CoD". lol.
Ive fought enough for this issue, its time to throw the towel.
Tomatoking
12-21-2012, 07:46 PM
i liked you bro sorry to hear that , im a big believer in removing exp loss in pvp ( horrible idea ) and removing penalties or increasing exp again.
but at this point staff abandoned server long ago , i only stay cause theres some of the most hilarious people ever on this server.
klant
12-24-2012, 12:11 AM
Guess who calls raids intentionally for shitting on the competition in PvP? Nihilum does.
This part made me lol. Is this like when you guys port around and 15 vs 2 people?
Dragonzord
12-24-2012, 05:07 AM
didnt rea,d,,,,,,,,,,, servger so fucking dead
BigSlip
12-25-2012, 09:45 PM
Guess who calls raids intentionally for shitting on the competition in PvP? Nihilum does.
heh heh lololol
Potus
12-26-2012, 12:47 AM
There's literally zero reason why pvp should have exp loss.
It's the most bluebie mechanic ever, as it
1. Discourages pvp by making the penalty of death too costly in terms of time
2. Encourages people running off into isolation to safely exp
3. It kills the server population which allows and encourages more of point 2
Really, just dump the exp loss. Who really wants it?
Tradesonred
12-26-2012, 10:38 AM
Really, just dump the exp loss. Who really wants it?
The PVE zergers (Nihilum) who by sheer numbers deterred any attempt at cockblocking them in PVE through PVP (This was remedied a bit by Cool kids/that other guild merging to counter zerg, but if they break Nihi, theyll be the new Nihi. Not in the sense of being all about PVE loot, but in the sense that nobody wants to challenge them because of their numbers). Xp loss served Nihilum well.
The PVP griefers. This was holocaust when box started. They thrive on not just winning in PVP, but trying to overwhelm people with losses enough that they stop playing the game. Xp loss served them well in bleeding out the casual pop that could have stuck around for some fun pvp.
People whove been playing emus inside out for 4 years and know how everything works, whats OP etc and dont want to lose that edge. People getting to practice pvp alot to figure out what works and what doesnt work would make em lose part of that edge.
People who cant see past their own little navel to see whats good for the box. Yeah you can quad kite, /golfclap. Grinding back that xp is just plain horrible, instead of super horrible and u can move around easily to get that xp back in peace.
And most importantly, its the devs who really want it. Cuz you know, "this isnt CoD, lol". Devs who grafted this poopcamp mechanic from blue to red. To them its more important that camps get claimed like on blue, than camps being fought over, like on Rallos. Its the devs that are the main problem here, they dont see daily, hours long pvp like what happened on Rallos, as something positive. Nothing will move without them seeing that as positive. It doesnt help that the majority of the vocal people on forums seem to be in the zergers/griefers camp. And nothing will probably ever move because of their policy of "Once a mechanic is in, its in". so i doubt it will ever change, which is why i decided to quit.
With devs that knew what they were doing as to making a Rallos-like server work, we wouldnt be where we are now. They had ample feedback to figure this out to correct the aim even if they didnt realize all this when server launched. Instead they choose to lay the post-mortem blame on the players like the holocaust players, who just used the griefing mechanic that the devs gave them. So the constitution of the pop of the server (a low population of mainly poopsockers and griefers, although there are some good people) lays on them even though having a smart pop who pushed in the right direction wouldnt have hurt either.
Nirgon
12-26-2012, 11:21 AM
I'd say the active dev, Nilbog, was FOR item loot. Not sure if against xp loss, but yeah.
Velious is more important overall to the project at this point. Most of the people playing (both servers) now are more interested in PvE. He's apparently made some progress with Velious too, and its a monsterous expansion compared to Kunark.
Maybe after Velious he can be swayed to the red side, for a real PvP ruleset implementation/resist fix sit down.
Despite all the kicking and screaming, you'd all like the Nirgo-Box (read: classic RZ).
Tr0llb0rn
12-26-2012, 11:34 AM
Let us know when you find that perfect server Nirgon!!!
Andis
12-26-2012, 11:34 AM
If you can show me some people who spend 90% of their time PVPing for days on end ill hand you the money.
My specific example was "Group moves in to KC, kills other group there, fight does not go on for an hour, losing group packs their thing and leaves"
90% of the pvp time spent are, currently Full Retard and Flowers of Happiness
and your above example, happens literally everyday, fights over KC
Send me a tell where we can meet for 5k, I need.
Nirgon
12-26-2012, 11:38 AM
I'm beginning to think you're also Lulz Sect.
But then again, you are the troll master of our era.
PS: You do not want this cyber detective to come out of retirement!
Tr0llb0rn
12-26-2012, 11:43 AM
Cyber detective up some infos on velious and post it in this thread:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=76729
Thanks!
Tradesonred
12-26-2012, 11:58 AM
90% of the pvp time spent are, currently Full Retard and Flowers of Happiness
and your above example, happens literally everyday, fights over KC
Send me a tell where we can meet for 5k, I need.
My proposition is:
If you can show me a full week, 7 days (not necessarily in a row) where your guild pvp 90% of the time, for hours, within a 3 week frame, ill give you 5k. ill pvp with full retard for my last week in EQemu (till velious, maybe).
Tr0llb0rn
12-26-2012, 12:02 PM
My proposition is:
If you can show me a full week, 7 days (not necessarily in a row) where your guild pvp 90% of the time, for hours, within a 3 week frame, ill give you 5k. ill pvp with full retard for my last week in EQemu (till velious, maybe).
Yeah you got the wrong game, try CoD.
Tradesonred
12-26-2012, 12:02 PM
90% of the pvp time spent are, currently Full Retard and Flowers of Happiness
and your above example, happens literally everyday, fights over KC
Send me a tell where we can meet for 5k, I need.
My example wasnt to say "This doesnt happen"
It was to say "This is the main sort of pvp you will find, group A moves group B from camp spot, group B doesnt try to get camp back more than once or twice"
Andis
12-26-2012, 12:24 PM
ecoli you should come back, and give it another shot....I'm willing to give you another shot (after you left us in FF)
don't leave your toon on AFK, and lets see how ya do
Tomatoking
12-26-2012, 12:37 PM
i been logging on steady to check pops for a week or so , average pop is less then 5 nilly and less then 5 FR
yall said you didnt have the numbers to do harder stuff or try to wipe nilly on their publicly posted raid schedule , when i joined plug first raid was 35+ people
even after merge every night we had tons , nothing was planned , no events happened and numbers dwindled to shit
you guys dont seem to understand if you dont PLAN things ahead of time you have no business being in charge of a guild.
because everyone quit due to nothing going on
Andis
12-26-2012, 12:51 PM
huggies we know exactly what we are doing
its fucking xmas, not many people log in during the holidays.
thanks for your input tho. was really thought out.
HippoNipple
12-26-2012, 01:17 PM
I'd say the active dev, Nilbog, was FOR item loot. Not sure if against xp loss, but yeah.
Velious is more important overall to the project at this point. Most of the people playing (both servers) now are more interested in PvE. He's apparently made some progress with Velious too, and its a monsterous expansion compared to Kunark.
Maybe after Velious he can be swayed to the red side, for a real PvP ruleset implementation/resist fix sit down.
Despite all the kicking and screaming, you'd all like the Nirgo-Box (read: classic RZ).
I understand this argument when talking about the problems some have with resists but not these other issues. Implementing yellow text and taking out an exp penalty should take no time at all. It is literally them just not giving a fuck to give any feedback on this issue.
There have been so many posters with an opinion on this. If the devs gave a fuck they would at least take 5 minutes to write a response saying why they are or are not going to implement the changes.
A response saying I will further this information to Rogean will not do either. It is so simple.
1) No one is against Yellow Text - Implement immediately.
2) A large portion of the current population wants exp penalty taken out for pvp deaths and may have left the server due to griefing from the exp penalty. Give a response to why or why it is not going to be implemented. I understand the arguments for not taking it out but give a firm answer that you considered it and decided for or against it.
3) PvP Resist system - Don't look into this until after Velious and it is understandable to have no opinion from a dev on this until later down the road.
Tradesonred
12-26-2012, 01:23 PM
ecoli you should come back, and give it another shot....I'm willing to give you another shot (after you left us in FF)
don't leave your toon on AFK, and lets see how ya do
The only way i can see myself playing this emu again is if they do something about the xp loss, which i dont think they will.
Might like EQ better over WoW in terms of difficulty, rareness of items, fun twinkage, (the economy on Rallos, but killed here cuz of no item loot) but at least in WoW i can smoke a joint, have some pvp for 3-4 hours, go back to doing a dungeon run without losing any PVE progress.
Even Eve online doesnt have such a harsh penalty for pvping. Yeah if u roll in the big leagues, you can lose a space station, a capital ship but once u get some money rolling you can pvp all day in a cruiser or frig if thats what you want to do.
Still, its the same reason why i left eve online, the ratio of fun vs work.
To me, grinding back xp in EQ PVE is hard work. Like breaking rocks in a prison.
If im playing as i want to, meaning loads of pvp, Im gonna die, thats for sure, probably more than twice a day for say, 5 hours pvp. That means if i do that for a week, thats FOURTEEN HOURS of backlogged PVE i gotta maintain.
Thats alot more work to me vs fun.
More power to you if you can pvp 5 hours a day, 5 days a week and log only 1 death but thats not whats my experience is like, and im sure its not 95% of the experience of anyone on the server either.
HippoNipple
12-26-2012, 01:28 PM
.
More power to you if you can pvp 5 hours a day, 5 days a week and log only 1 death but thats not whats my experience is like, and im sure its not 95% of the experience of anyone on the server either.
Obviously someone isn't telling the truth when everyone says they pvp all the time yet no one is actually dying. One reason Yellow Text would be nice.
Although one problem may be that everyone gates or plugs and not one actually does die after 5 hours of PvP, which isn't fun at all.
Andis
12-26-2012, 01:28 PM
Ecoli, if you have the attitude that you're gonna die, then guess what, you're gonna die. It's simple as that. When you roll with a guild and you put into guild events, the guild will return the favor.
It sounds like at the moment you roll around solo, and that is why you get killed alot.
Roll with a guild that knows what's going on, grp with the guild, get your exp, and don't put yourself in a position where you might die. You are a caster with gate, if theres a bunch of people in your zone you know will PVP, then guess what either gate or camp till it smooths down.
You need a better attitude and seems to me some guidance in how to win Red99, let us show you that way.
Tradesonred
12-26-2012, 01:43 PM
Ecoli, if you have the attitude that you're gonna die, then guess what, you're gonna die. It's simple as that. When you roll with a guild and you put into guild events, the guild will return the favor.
It sounds like at the moment you roll around solo, and that is why you get killed alot.
Roll with a guild that knows what's going on, grp with the guild, get your exp, and don't put yourself in a position where you might die. You are a caster with gate, if theres a bunch of people in your zone you know will PVP, then guess what either gate or camp till it smooths down.
You need a better attitude and seems to me some guidance in how to win Red99, let us show you that way.
I dont get killed alot.
Saidin caught me once AFK, Troriste and Renian too, and thrilla killed me while i was at the hospital and got deleveled to 53. Thats my 4 deaths in like 2 weeks 8 hours a day. It would have been 0 if i had been actively at the keyboards (Im camping some solo mob and selling/buying comic books on ebay).
I do exactly what you are saying, i didnt last 3 years in Eve online by being a clueless noob. Gate or camp when i know i cant win. I click that /who like a pro, its a habit from eve online where you always check whos in the zone before attempting to cross out of a zone. I mean, i was doing this 11 years ago too, on Rallos lol.
When i talk about the pvp id like to see, im mostly referring to around that time in FF when we had that big fight with Nihilum in Lavastorm. I died maybe 3-4 times in 2 hours. Thats to be expected. If you do attempts at 20vs20, someone is going to die, its almost inevitable.
This happened maybe 2-3 times to me on the box, some big battles like that. I mean that lasts more than 1-2 rounds. That people actually stay in the zone and fight, like we were on a pvp server. Thats what i want. Every day. Thats my fun.
When im talking about xp loss, Im not really talking about me, me, me, about how i do not like dying because then blablabla... Im thinking in terms of whats good for the server. In terms of why is it nobody came in Fear to cockblock us when i was in Nihilum for a month. It is evidently because of the xp loss. You have to see bigger than "I must be crying because i suck at the game". The way the server is set up, means that whoever has the biggest roster, wins. Its as simple as that. If you have a ratio of players like 3/8 5/8 then maybe skill will matter more than numbers. But thats not how it was back this spring when i was in Nihilum.
XP loss demands that after an hour or two of big battles, the losing side retreats to lick its wounds for days if not a week. So if a side has quite a larger amount of players online, which was the story of this server for alot of its history, then nobody wants to attempt it even if trying would be fun. Trying at 90% chance of failure resulting in harsh xp loss, good luck trying to convince people to pvp with you. If you are able to take a hard honest look at how it was back in the spring, you will admit that FF did not try often to go inside fear to try to stop NIhilum farming. And thats because of the xp loss.
Yeah the server might be better right now, because FR and NIH have numbers that makes it sort of even. But if FR ever gains the upper hand and makes half of NIHI quit, the server will be back to shit again. This emu requires too much time investment for me to have this sort of variables left to luck.
At least if they would revisit the amount you lose on each death, i might reconsider hanging my red99 jersey
Andis
12-26-2012, 01:47 PM
I understand what your saying, and that type of PVP will be happening in the future, I can assure you, as long as Nihilum actually grow a pair to fight us. Lately they have been avoiding raid pvp-by slaying the mob then logging off.
When you do die, it is crucial to get that rez. Pve rez you got time, when you die PvP, you consent and you immediately log off to save rez timer.
Just man up, get back on the box and start exp, hit me up in game, we can get ya started again.
Tomatoking
12-26-2012, 02:10 PM
ecoli is a good guy , bind camping him off the server was horrible imo
exp loss in pvp = worst idea ever but its obvious staff dont care
only have 2 options now guys
shit the forum up
or quit
Tradesonred
12-26-2012, 02:16 PM
ecoli is a good guy , bind camping him off the server was horrible imo
exp loss in pvp = worst idea ever but its obvious staff dont care
only have 2 options now guys
shit the forum up
or quit
I didnt get bind camped, that was actually my fault.
Thrilla killed me once and i was out of the house at the hospital, forgot all about EQ when my mom landed in my pad hysterical about how my nephew broke his arm.
My fault is that i bound at pots not on the things, but in the water. Its a old habit from eve online where you dont actually port on the gate, but 250km away so you can scout the gate to see if there is someone camping it.
I didnt take into consideration that someday something like this might happen and i would leave the game on and drown myself out of 6 levels.
Tomatoking
12-26-2012, 02:33 PM
holy fuck i thought you got bind camped
those corpses are rezzable , gms didnt help you?
btw do you still got an eve online account? i need an account i can get plexes via buddy invites , im willing to keep it open indefinitley if you want to train inactive , pm me ( or anyone else )
Tradesonred
12-27-2012, 04:30 PM
holy fuck i thought you got bind camped
those corpses are rezzable , gms didnt help you?
btw do you still got an eve online account? i need an account i can get plexes via buddy invites , im willing to keep it open indefinitley if you want to train inactive , pm me ( or anyone else )
Sirken rez'd me to 55 (went from 2 blues to 59, to 53)
Gonna pm you about that eve online thing
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