Ghaz's Plight

[mixxit]

Are you good at solving riddles? Do you understand the history of Norrath?

Send a tell to Ghaz the Seeker and aid him on his quest!

[Jify]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/teaerwen/ghaz.jpg

Son of a bitch won't respond! ;D

[Pyrocat]

because we all just are about to pass out after like 6 hours of GM event

[Jify]

/sad

[Yiknik]

Where is Yiknik's plight?:mad:

[mixxit]

I was hoping after the first event they would take a break and look into it but they kept asking for the next thing to do !

[Ghaz]

This riddle begins in Neriak. The symbols below the three necromancer sisters feet was my only clue.With the help of aids, I was asked to decipher the meaning behind these symbols and their significance Norrath's history.

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2756/eq000053.png (http://img22.imageshack.us/i/eq000053.png/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

I'm sure most people have seen these symbols and just assumed they were meaningless and went on their way. I'm guilty of this myself. In fact, these symbols are of great importance to Norrath. They depict it's beginning and it's end.

Not only are these symbols found amongst the Dark Elfs. They are also found on the banners of the Everfrost goblins, inside the walls of Erudin, on the gates of Najena , carved in every door in Solusek's Eye , adorning the banners of the Crushbone orcs, hidden in the depths of Mistmoore , and in the tower's guarded by spectres and aqua goblins.

With the assistance of Cyrano ,Tones , Dildor ,Talgoroth , Pyrocat and everyone else who assisted me with bits of information . We came up with the theory that the center of this symbol is Veeshan , whom deposited her first brood of dragons on Norrath on the continent of Velious and is the ruler of the Plane of Sky. Veeshan's actions were soon noticed by Brell Serilis ( the three candles ). In order to keep Veeshan in check, Brell Serilis made a pact with Tunare (the 9 seeds ) and Prexus ( 3 waves ).

With all that said, we have come up with a few theories on what the four outer symbols represent and their significance to Norrath's begging and end. But, We would like to hear what you all think. Please, post them here or message Ghaz / Eavy in game. Thank you!

[mixxit]

Great discussion!

So I wonder now, if the center symbol is Veeshan why is it on the entrance to Neriak and in found in places where there are Dark Elves?

[Cyrano]

It's also found in places that have nothing to do with dark elves. If not Veeshan, it seems to be a link to the Combine based on the ruinous towers that it is placed upon. We have found instances of this in an Aviak tower, etc.

Other thoughts are the center represents Mayong or Aatlataal due to their place in the story thusfar. However, based on looks and the history of the Brell pact the symbol of Veeshan is the most logical choice.

Of the outer symbols we have found some various images. Orcs all over Norrath fly a banner with a flipped image from the bottom left which we assume has something to do Rallos or the entrance of the Rallosian Army.

We have discovered 0 instances of the x which appears to either be crossed bones or wrenches, it's hard to decide due to the graphics.

Miragul told us the top right image represents the sundering and creation of Freeport. Having read the journal pages by Aatlataal and his assistant, this would lead us to assume that the remaining three images are not symbols of Gods but rather events.

Now the primary overlapping question is that this image is the Chelsith Stone prominently discussed in EQ2 lore, however the instances of it found on p99 seem to relate closer to the tale of Miragul and his creation of portals all over norrath which also allowed him to travel between the planes. As a man of many guises, the placement of these in all sorts of locations (good, evil, and neutral) makes sense.

At this point we are having trouble deciding which path is absolutely correct, however if the bottom right symbol (which appears all over Erudin and also pops up in Paineel in a modified form) is tied to Bertoxxulous and his origins we believe we know the next step.

[mixxit]

We have discovered 0 instances of the x which appears to either be crossed bones or wrenches, it's hard to decide due to the graphics.

Check out places where the symbol appears! How about the doors of Mistmoore? :-)

[Phallax]

The four on the outside from left to right are as follows: Lower left hand corner is Rallos Zek, upper left is Innoruuk, upper right is Cazic Thule, and the lower right is Bertoxxulous...the four horsemen to bring about the end.

The Four Horsemen (from the prophecies of Trakanon)

There will be four Horsemen to bring about the final days of armageddon, the second war of the gods.

The first shall ride Hate to bring the night.

Then shall Fear ride to cast its cloak of horror upon the lands.

Plague and Decay will ride thrice to spread its seed across the lands.

The three shall give way to the fourth, and War will embrace the world in an icy wave of doom.

The four horsemen shall ride and take their place in what will bring about the final battle for Norrath.

[Pyrocat]

Agreed. We found this last night in our research:

http://councilofdarkness.com/

However, the First Fist of Light is a well known RP guild that came up with some lengthy fan-made Norrath history, which may or may not be legit in this case. So, taken with a grain of salt.

[Phallax]

It seems to fit and be correct for the most part. Im currently running blindly all over Norrath trying to find the remaining symbols.

And yes I shamelessly stole that from that site.

[mixxit]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.massively.com/media/2008/04/tunarianthrone.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:e5XvhQrX4_58OM:http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/deathknell_eq2.jpg

Just to help!

[mixxit]

'Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time.'

Do not just focus your search in one universe. The many universes are all of significance in understanding time. And this device is a clock, make no mistake about that!

What do the centre three symbols represent if you cannot find them located in the world?

Do they appear elsewhere in alternate forms? Where else can these alternate versions be found?

What did the Shissar say these runes were and what are there purpose?

http://www.freshinc.co.uk/bolly/key.png

[mixxit]

Yes, there are two additions to the above. What do they represent and why?

Also, what does the inner circle appear as? What could this mean?

[Phallax]

Heres a poem Hasten recited after the last story he told of Aatlatal and Lady Delailith that is said to be some sort of clue. This may further help.

An age shall come unto the lands
Of heartbreak, bloodshed, and quickening sands
The earth loosed by divine embrace
Crumbles and tumbles, uhile oceans gives chase
When magic seems lost and distance grows great
All the children of Norrath shall share the same fate
An army of old shall rise up once more
To blacken the land with the cold touch of war
The Maiden of Shadows alone in the night
Shunned by the gods of both darkness and night
She trembles then bursts, at the touch of their hand
Raining down fire and scorching the land
Let this vision of mine thought shared by none
Save the poisened fruit of Veeshan's womb
Be kept close at hand and near to heart
So that all is not lost when the world falls apart

[Murphy]

http://i45.tinypic.com/1yvi0x.jpg

[Phallax]

Can we delete the trolls plz? ^^^

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.massively.com/media/2008/04/tunarianthrone.jpg

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:e5XvhQrX4_58OM:http://bolly.freshinc.co.uk/deathknell_eq2.jpg

Just to help!

First pic looks alot like the moon! Which in Aataltaal's last entry he mentions Luclin being burried into Norrath.

The 2nd pic looks like the original with added glyphs, but that angle makes it hard to decipher what they look like.

[Phallax]

What did the Shissar say these runes were and what are there purpose?


This is a calendar created by the Shissar that tells the date of "Doomsday".
The Shissar were destroyed by a great arcane plague an iksar rose in their place, destroying much of the records that told of the doomsday calendar and location of Chelsith

[guineapig]

Time to pull out my old EQ RPG books!

[redghosthunter]

First thing that popped into my head about the pic was that its a "Circle of Protection," against the 4 symbols outside. IDK about that whole Brell theory... but there are 4 symbols/banners inside and 4 symbols/banners outside. Obviously some kind of power-struggle.

Now the question I'd be most concerned with is why the DEF's have this symbol? Most DEF's follow Innoruuk. Innoruuk's symbol is clearly outside of the center. It would make sense to find this, Circle of Protection in the cities of the cities of the people Inside the Circle. I guess this is yet another Oops on Veriant ??? No respecting DEF would want to empower "lessor," gods in their cities.

The "Evil," powers.... (We DEF are Good, Btw)

Innoruuk (Hate)- DEF
Cazic (Fear)- TRL
Bertox (Disease and Corruption)- ??? HUM's ---> a neutral alignment
Rallos (War)- OGR

[mixxit]

What does the circle appear as on the image I posted?

What are the images in the inner circle?

The Shissar mentioned something specific about the runes what was it?

[Burlyboss]

What does the circle appear as on the image I posted?

What are the images in the inner circle?

The Shissar mentioned something specific about the runes what was it?

The one to the left in the inner circle looks like the Insignia of Ssraeshza?

[Phallax]

This is indeed the Prophecy of Theer.

I gotta jet for a bit but Ill post some more details on some research Ive done today. In the mean time enjoy this, a nice video I found showing better angles of Mixxits alternative picture of the symbols.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyRli9g8ZH4

The center blue symbol is said to be the symbol of the Y'dal, the first dark elf creations of Innoruuk.

[mixxit]

Excellent!

[redghosthunter]

Can we get some of our computer genius's to blow up Mix's 3D pic of each symbol ? I can not clearly see the symbols.

[Ghaz]

For the record.. As of Tuesday , June 08 , 1:00 p.m. CST , I have 5 days 13 hours to present my case on the meaning of all of this.

Here is what D'Vinn had to say after I asked him "Why is Mayong Concerned with Chelsith?"

Ambassador D'Vinn says: His symbol appears on a portion of the second part of the circle. One you have most likely not seen. It is in a place similar to this but not. I cannot explain but there exists many versions of Norrath and this is but one of them. It is the sigils of ages end and Mayong is an extremely important component in it.

Pyrocat: What does his symbol look like?

Ambassador D'Vinn: If you leave me be, I shall give you the research. That is all I can offer lest I fear the wrath of mayong who will be undoubtedly more cruel than yourselves.

Ghaz: Then hand it over!

Ambassador D'Vinn: There are many components. We found the details inside a prophecy written by Zeboxoruk. The Poem goes like this:

Once more her allies will give rise to the thoughts of life anew.
The hissing of the serpent shall strike back at this world with unexpected ferocity
Those who toil in eternity shall find riches in the dusk of time
Forever the commander he has row risen in rank to play his part in the ages end
In the guise of harmony the mirror is flipped and chaos walks among us
Those from below shall attempt to further their agenda below the throne of Brell
Cleft in twice at the dawn of time the two shall stand once more in a united front against that which brings the end
From realms below and beyond the lord of darkness shall return to play his part in destiny ( My master)
The orbs are not so great as the crimson lord ( Nagafen ) might have you believe but they are powerful. Beware service in his name. She who represents the forbidden two ( Nagafen and Vox ) shall begin the march of fate.
That is all I can share now please leave me be!

The treacherous Ambassador' Dvinn then attempted to flee Crushbone where he swiftly met his demise.

[Ghaz]

This is indeed the Prophecy of Theer.

I gotta jet for a bit but Ill post some more details on some research Ive done today. In the mean time enjoy this, a nice video I found showing better angles of Mixxits alternative picture of the symbols.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyRli9g8ZH4

The center blue symbol is said to be the symbol of the Y'dal, the first dark elf creations of Innoruuk.

Nice find!

[Cyrano]

The symbol on the left in that video is found all over norrath on tents. I've seen it on Gypsy and Bandit tents alike.

[Cyrano]

On top of that, once the images overlap the blue runes are formed in the cardinal directions. Hmmm...

[Phallax]

The "Y'Dal" symbol is also the symbol of Mayong, he was rumored to be a Y'dal before turning into his current state.

Edit: Well my previous statement may not be true. Found this nice little gem, notice the symbol.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/xJeebsx/ankh.jpg

[mixxit]

http://eq2.zam.com/db/item.html?eq2item=7546a33f4d5a50f653c6a98e1dab6d3f

[Qaedain]

Is that the wheel of order and discord in the Theer video? There seem to be enough symbols to account for all of EverQuest's major deities.

[Cyrano]

Two images of note
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_c0FNMpSbYKw/TA6TT4UdKkI/AAAAAAAAAIA/ACj5gxMli90/s1152/EQ000084.jpg

Look at the triangles seemingly assisting the Gnolls in their fight (this is from Paw btw).

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_c0FNMpSbYKw/TA6TTj-XJyI/AAAAAAAAAH8/IDJcvqX_Mgo/s1152/EQ000087.jpg

This is an example of the modified lower right symbol which appears all over Erudin. This version is present all over Paineel.

[Qaedain]

The winged signet at the bottom of the circle in the video is also found in Sanctus Seru.

Sanctus Seru is the home of a segment of the ancient Combine empire, those loyal to Seru. Their ancestors disagreed with the followers of Tsaph Katta, for reasons including letting the dark elves into the Empire, and had a violent split. Seru himself tried to assassinate Tsaph Katta, fracturing the empire. The followers of Katta moved to Luclin, and those of Seru followed in pursuit. They are a very rigid people, living under the watchful Eye in their police state.

[mixxit]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g16/pasaguero/temp/ankh.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/114/calendar1.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4561/calendar2b.jpg

[mixxit]

Two images of note
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_c0FNMpSbYKw/TA6TT4UdKkI/AAAAAAAAAIA/ACj5gxMli90/s1152/EQ000084.jpg
Look at the triangles seemingly assisting the Gnolls in their fight (this is from Paw btw).


Seen these triangles before?

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/qcat-necro.jpg

[Cyrano]

Perhaps representations of gods assisting the gnolls? Then in the qeynos catacombs they are keeping a balance?

-------------------

You say, "Hail, The Book of Sunder"

The Book of Sunder says to you, "As has been stated, the magical manuscript security protocol requires that all information is withheld until the proper password is given."

You say to the Book of Sunder, "Till Yonder"

The Book of Sunder says to you, "Oh boy! You're a smart one, aren't you? Looks can be deceiving, eh? Now, I suppose you wish to hear about the Rune of Sunder. It's my specialty, you know? What do you wish of me?

You say to the Book of Sunder, "Please tell me about the Rune of Sunder."

The Book of Sunder says, "The Rune of Sunder is a representation of an event that is to take place in the Norrathian year of 5595 B.T. The event will see the destruction of the moon called Luclin that orbits the planet Norrath. This is a unique event foretold in the doomsday calender of the ancient race known as the shissar.

In the Norrathian year, 3000 B.T., the shissar completed a calender comprised of runes and symbols extracted from the planar realms. These runes took order upon a massive stone calender that was carved into the shissar city of Chelsith.

The shissar referred to the calender as a doomsday calender since it held the date of the death of the shissar race and destruction of Norrath. Among the many runes of this calendar was the rune of Sunder, the foreteller of the death of the moon.

A great arcane plague extinguished the shissar race, as foretold. In the wake of this genocide the iksar rose in their place, destroying much of the records that told of the doomsday calender and the location of Chelsith.

The Rune of Sunder would not be encountered by the Norrathians until the arrival of the prophetic elf ruler, Queen Elizerain in the Age of Blood. She dreamed of the great spiral and kept its secret hidden from all but those that shared her dreams. Everling research has uncovered a dragon to be one of these trusted Norrathians.

In the Norrathian year of 5102 B.T., Queen Elizerain crosses the Gray Wastes into the afterlife. Her many prophecies are kept safe in hidden and unorthodox vaults. Among these was the prophecy of Luclin's destruction and the Rune of Sunder. it is believed her secrets are still kept close to the throne of the Koada'Dal.

In the Norrathian year 5190 B.T., the House of Everling purchases an idol from Valdoartus Varsoon. This trinket proves to be cursed, but contains another rune upon it that is linked with the Rune of Sunder. The rune is designated the Rune of Ethernere. The idol is designated the Idol of Mor'Tael.

In the Norrathian year, 5330 B.T., Lord Rikantus Everling is cursed by the idol of Mor'Tael. He is slowly divided and with each facet of himself, a bit more freedom is lost. He intensifies his studies of the Rune of Ethernere, believing it will show him a way to the Gray Wastes of Ethernere where he might rescue the souls of his departed daughters.

Lord Rikantus Everling discovers that the Rune of Ethernere is not the passage to the Gray Wastes, but rather, a prophecy of another unique event of the shissar doomsday calender. Before he can complete his validation of this theory, he is consumed by the curse of the Idol of Mor'Tael. Before this is complete, he renamed the Rune of Ethernere to Rune of Oblivion.

Research of the Rune of Sunder and the Rune of Oblivion lead towards the research of the doomsday calendar. With all Everlings subjugated, all studies have been postponed.

There you are now! That is more than any academy big wig or ancient lich can tell you. Consider yourself informed... and being informed is half the battle!

[Cyrano]

Here's the bottom image in Seru which allegedly represents the Combine Empire.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/mseru-seru.jpg

[mixxit]

You are doing fantastic!

[Arkis]

Oh man nice find Cyrano. So interesting!

[Qaedain]

http://rhallock.com/empire.png

[Cyrano]

I combined the images to make this easier:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_c0FNMpSbYKw/TA6a6Q7AlXI/AAAAAAAAAIM/-HEfGSuNCUU/shissarcal.gif

The images, when superimposed together, certainly form a clock structure with two moving parts. Things to note, the 12 position seems to represent dragons (possibly Kerafyrm and the awakened) but more likely the dragon age. At six we see the symbol from Sanctus Seru which shares the symbol of The Combine, one of the most influential humanoid factions ever in norrath. This directly corresponds with the lost era.

Another thing to note is the symbol at 9 (which you can find on gypsy/bandit tents) is the symbol of the Ratonga from EQ2. Have to read up more on them though as I was never an EQ2 player.

[Phallax]

Clockwise from the top:

(12 o'clock)Age of Scale (Correlates as this is the symbol for the Awakened, but may also be meant to be a dragon scale)

Elder Age

Age of Monuments

Age of Blood

(6 o'clock) Lost Age (This correlates also, the Lost Age was also the time of the Combine Empire/founding of Erudin)

Age of Enlightenment

Age of Turmoil

Age of War

[Qaedain]

Just some evidence to support my Quellious symbol theory:

http://eq2decorators.com/Objects/Images/altars/imbuedaltarofquellious.jpg

That is the an altar of Quellious from EQ2. The pyramid in the symbol pictogram represents the arms joining at the thumbs, while the cupped hands are represented as the crescent, and the rays of light as the points.

[mixxit]

I want to share something with you but I can't find the reference just yet. I'm sifting through old data now and will post.

I guess all I can leave you with is do not assume the bottom 6 o' clock symbol is the Combine Empire.

Also you are missing the circle itself, that is significant and the 3 in the centre. Look for references to match them up with the new image I posted (the future of everquest II). They appear elsewhere but what does it mean? I'll give you a hint where you can find them...

Outside the home of the dragon hater lies something ancient. Compare it through the looking glass.

[guineapig]

The Ratonga were created by Brell and Bristlebane.

I'm not 100% on this but I think they can worship Bertox, Brell and Bristlebane.

So if that's the symbol for underfoot (again, I'm not sure), it would make sense.

[Cyrano]

If the dragon hater is Mayong, outside of his home is a druid ring with the tree symbol...

http://www.aquaviann.com/lsred.jpg

[Shaun421]

Can I ask a silly question?

What is all of this about? It's an interesting riddle and interesting read catching up on all the lore and stuff, but why is everyone running around like headless chickens looking for this stuff? Who started the question? How will someone know when they got it right? I saw that other forum had a lot of EQ2 stuff and players there saying you can't use information from EQ1 becuase it's a different game.

A little exposition would be helpful.

[ooantipostoo]

Here is the current pending quest.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/8087-scaled-claw-sean.html

[Shaun421]

The link appears to be broken, friend.

And can I say, you name makes me think of salad.

[ooantipostoo]

hmm interesting works for me when I click it. Anyone else having problems?

[Xumosa]

works fine for me

[Cyrano]

The circle represents the ring of scale? Not sure if that fits into this directly.

[ooantipostoo]

Check rathe mountains; near where the evil sphinx resides by the Dark Elf Camp

[mixxit]

Look more closely at the circle in the 'Future of Everquest II' version and imagine the symbols and everything else is gone. What do you have left?

[Phallax]

Look more closely at the circle in the 'Future of Everquest II' version and imagine the symbols and everything else is gone. What do you have left?

It looks alot like a compass.

[Cyrano]

In that case it clearly looks like a planet with a giant dragon symbol on it, I can link pictures from VP of a planet sized dragon colliding with what appears to be norrath if needed....

[Ghaz]

Roaming around Qeynos catacombs on my necromancer today..I ran into this.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9884/eq000066.png (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/eq000066.png/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/5056/eq000070.png (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/eq000070.png/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[Cyrano]

Actually it looks like something is colliding with it in the SW corner. Drinal?

[guineapig]

Honestly, I always figured that most of these symbols were thrown around rather nonchalantly and reused time and time again.

For every instance of a symbol being somewhere for a specific reason there are 2 examples where the symbol makes no sense at all .... unless of course you completely change the meaning of the symbol to suit the situation. This would be the wrong thing to do.

So while some symbols obviously refer to a specific empire or deity, there are some that I feel were just filler to make the game world seem more alive.

On a side note, how many of these symbols appear on shields in the game?

[Qaedain]

Another alternate interpretation of the pictograms:

http://rhallock.com/alt_theory.png

Actually it looks like something is colliding with it in the SW corner. Drinal?

Absolutely possible. That would explain why that gold band "orbiting" Norrath is empty, and it cracks as if something were torn by force from the skies.

[ooantipostoo]

Rathe mountains

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a21/raxilian/EQ000065.jpg

[President]

Gamma crack.. Gamma....

[ooantipostoo]

lol it was alot bigger, it just auto shrunk it on me

[Phallax]

Found this interesting. The 2 o'clock position appearantly represents Lucan?!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33283192@N00/4171493954/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33283192@N00/4171493964/in/set-72157602341690218/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/33283192@N00/4170736795/in/set-72157602341690218/

[Phallax]

I think im researching to much and reading to many theory posts and confusing myself!

[ooantipostoo]

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a21/raxilian/EQ000066.jpg



Another from Rathe mountains. There are 2 more symbols around these ruins.


Also where you see the two blue flames, which is bones in place of the fire wood. If you click in the right place a set of bones move and makes a door opening sound. Not sure if this has anything to do with it.



"Wealf Tidyng says, 'Ya see, Mayong Mistmoore was the bitter enemy of the Ring of Scale, and he wanted nothing more than to possess the Shard and thereby control access to the Plane of Sky.'
Wealf Tidyng says, 'With all due haste, Zavo`s group journeyed to the Rathe Moutains, where the final partitioning of the Veil was to take place.'
Fippy Darkpaw shouts ' You humans will pay for ruining our homeland!! GRRRRRRRR!!!! Family Darkpaw of the Sabertooth Clan will slay you all!! '
Fippy Darkpaw says 'You have trespassed long enough on Sabertooth land!'"

[ooantipostoo]

found this post on alla. If you have any info to add please do!

There is a place in shadeweavers thicket that seems to lead to another zone but is a dead end and is guarded by "firefall" mobs on the north side of the zone. Someone told me that this was planned to be added in later but I don't know when later is. Maybe rathe mountians is the same? I have been there and check it out a while ago and stop by once in a while. Now that the war is brewing I wonder...going to check next expansion. I was guessing that it may have to do with the 2 sphinxs but working on their faction takes for ever and they don't say hi. since one is guarding the "shrine" I have been killing the other for faction. Also the symbols on the "shrine" ar located in other places around norrath. They are in towers like the one in the oasis of marr. Their meaning is about the gods of norrath. In the center is the symbol of Veeshan. The 3 symbols in the circle are gods who are trying to keep the wurm queen in check and the 4 outside are other gods too. Supposely it has to do with the prophesy of trakanon but then I have seen those symbols else where in my travels. I wish I had the link but I lost it some time ago when my hard drive went berzerk. btw, what wall moves? Here's a nother riddle...in Timourous Deep there is a shrine in the south west corner of the zone that holds a port to each city. On each port is symbol of the city. The port is one way and when you get to teh city you can click on the stone but it says you need a key. What key?

[Xumosa]

This is all so interesting>< i wish i wasnt stuck at work and i could get more involved

[ooantipostoo]

more to add. from alla


What is up with these? I was surprised one day to see a running blue con to a 56 Unkempt druid by their area in mountains of rathe.

It was an "unkempt fanatic." So, though I was kindly to them, I decided to use my druid epic dot on it. I got the post luclin "immune to run change" thing that irritates me. She then stopped and just kept casting on me. I stopped and just kept nuking. After nuking for a time, with most doing half damage of 383 or so, I got closer and her health had hardly moved. I also noticed that she never ran up to melee me or anything, though she was threaten at that point. I kept nuking and she never did run over to hit me and finally she abruptly ran off, still at nearly full health.

Either she is bugged or meant to be screwy. What is she for?


__________________________________________________ ___

She's a GM. When they do this GM event, all the Unkempts in the zone are increased in lvl to around 45 or so, then the mass of them slaughters the 2 sphinx's (who are also GM's at that point). If you help either of the sphinx's and they live, you get "rewarded" with good faction with that phoenix and some kewl gears.

And yes, you can save BOTH of them and get good faction with both.

[Cyrano]

This has nothing to do with anything but made me laugh.

I googled "symbol for antonio bayle" and got this:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/image/view/68274/_original

That's the woman that played Chelsea, Charlie's fiance, on Two and Half Men for a few seasons.

[Aeolwind]

http://img.moronail.net/img/6/7/1167.jpg

[Cyrano]

Gotta read the text below the picture Aoelwind, I posted it because of whom the woman portraying Antonia Bayle is.

[mixxit]

I just want to add a note to this

The fort that became a guild area for the frogloks in Rathe Mountains is not something you really need to concern yourself with. The only interesting thing is that it is related to hate. This was added a bit after the original symbol was in game and was only used for Lanys T'Vill during a GM event. It's nothing of particular importance in this.

Now who said the Circle looks like a planet? That sounds useful...

[Mmohunter]

Now who said the Circle looks like a planet? That sounds useful...

/flex !! I filled in Ghaz on my theory, lets see what's correct and what's incorrect! 5 days and counting!

[eqholmes]

Does anyone have any recommendations on books with the lore of Everquest? I must be honest even though I have played for years I never knew much about the lore and I think it could be a very interesting read at work. Hell maybe even a good novel that is just based around gaint/dragon/dorfs that sort of thing, but would rather read something that pretains to something I do, such as Everquest.

[mixxit]

I would recommend reading the eqrpg books

Although it does invent some extra filler about characters and such the major stuff like locations, gods, major characters are correct (as stated by vhalar-dev many times on the eq boards)

[eqholmes]

Thanks mixxit, I'll check into them, is there any of them that sticks out as a better read or more informative than the others?

[utenan]

Outside the home of the dragon hater lies something ancient. Compare it through the looking glass.

Here is what ive been thinking ( probably a stretch! )

This clue points towards Lfay, I believe, and in that zone there is a shrine, here it is :
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/lfaydark-monument.jpg
( A lot of my post is based on this, which could be completely wrong )

It looks like the symbol for Veeshan. On it are 3 symbols, starting from the SW corner. They look as if they could represent dragons?? These symbols are heading out in different directions.

"compare it through the looking glass" Looking glass could mean something like, crystal ball, which sees the future, like the future of eq II pic is suppose to do (Imagination!)
In the "future of eq II" pic, there is something colliding with what I, or we, think is Norrath, in the SW corner, If you look at a map of Norrath, Velious is located in the SW corner, and Ghaz states that this is where Veeshan landed?
http://potshot.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/norrath_final.jpg

So Back to the symbols on the shrine in Lfay. They look like they are heading out from the SW. In the future of eq II pic the other 3 symbols on " Norrath" are in the same direction as the symobols on the Lfay shrine. Make any sense? lol, perhaps they are nothing, but all these things are in the SW corners, and it seems suspicious : ) Also, with the future of eq II pic, maybe the other 3 symbols on Norrath represent dragons? or maybe continents. Perhaps they too, collided with Norrath like the one in the SW corner? Just something to think about, all of this caught my eye, finally decided to post these thoughts. If anything is wrong, just say and I will promptly destroy this post lol

[Ghaz]

My theory as of right now is something like this..(it's late and i'm exhausted).

The symbol on the orb is Veeshan , ruler of the Plane of Sky ( the sky surrounds Norrath!) and the first to populate Norrath with her brood. This also means the orb depicted on the stone is Norrath. The circle around Norrath represents Veeshan's Veil over Norrath or maybe some sort of "circle of protection?". The three symbols "on" Norrath are that of Brell Serilis ( the arrow with 3 candles ) , Tunare ( the 9 seeds ) , and Prexus ( 3 waves ). They are "on" Norrath because they were the next Gods to populate Norrath with their creations. The 3 symbols "surrounding" Veeshan also represent the pact that they made together to keep Veeshan in check. According to lore, Ralos Zek was also present at this meeting of the "good" gods but kept his distance so to say.

Ok, so the outer symbols.( lost a bit ).. the top left symbolizes Greenmist and the destruction of the Shissar empire and the uprising of the Iksar kunark release? The symbol on the top right symbolizes the discovery of Luclin? The symbol on the bottom right symbolizes the civil war between Paineel and Erudin and the creation of The Hole. The Symbol on the bottom left I haven't the slightest.

Another theory is that of the 4 horseman. The outer 4 symbols represent the evil gods:Rallos, Inny , Bertox , Cazic. The circle around Norrath is actually a circle of protection or Veeshan's Veil. The 3 inner symbols would represent the "good" races: Tunare , Brell , and Prexus. The evil gods trying to enter Norrath but the good gods protected by the circle of protection. Ultimately , Veeshan ruling all.

Mayong Mistmoore seeks godhood. Al'kabor seeks immortality. Miragul became immortal but not the way he wanted ( mistake in an experiment I believe). Also, apparently there is a gnome that will be added to this equation..Anyone know any important gnomes ( caster of some sort ).

With the recent influx of information, it's made things a bit more confusing. Although, I REALLY appreciate everyone's help!!! THANK YOU, EVERYONE! :):):)


God images with a bit of lore: http://www.lqgaming.com/eq/data/2823~dieties.php/index.php

Edit: Since the Chelsith Stone is a calendar. Is it a calendar of classic Everquest , or Everquest 1? I would assume Everquest1, seeing as how the lore takes place in Everuqest2 as well.

[spoolie]

the only 2 gnomes that jump at me, are Maelin Starpyre.. and later on meldrath.

[Deric]

Biddyn was the first King of the Gnomes(Akanon).. Though I don't think he was a caster.. He was more-so a skilled orator.

[Leokaiser]

Commenting on the pictures posted by Mixxit on page two:

On the image shown which seems to depict a moon being pierced by a beam of light and exploding, the spirialing trail of fire surrounding it is identical to the image found on the top right of our mystery symbol, so perhaps relates to the destruction of Luclin.

Also, what of the two small orbs marked with the green stars? The one at the bottom, far out from Norrath and the Veil (if that's what the middle orb represents) appears to be empty, and is clearly broken, with fracture lines running outside of the orb itself; this seems very likely to be Luclin itself due to it's position and condition.

The other orb I am less sure about; as others have mentioned, it is seems to be either somethign coliding with Norrath, or (the theory which I favour) something breaking away from the planet. I wonder if this indent in the central orb could represent the creation of the Hole, which if I remember correctly, blew a chunk of Odus into space. Perhaps then, the orb which lies above it could be something created in the aftermath of of this event (maybe Drinal was formed then? I know nothing about the visable moon)?

[mixxit]

Drinal is the only moon you see in the sky on project 1999 and eqlive (luclin was hidden by the veil)

Some say there is another moon but this might no be true. (See the observatory in eq2)

Also there may have been up to 5 moons at one point. The lizardmen lore seems to think so.

[mixxit]

The many worlds wrap around us like the smell of the swamp on our tongue. The world with the five moons and the two moons are only real. The worlds that are not real do not exist until they do. The world of the shattered moon and the world of no moons and all moons do not exist. The Alliz Evol Ew know this. And we know they are real.

In the land of the five moons, the stars still spoke with us. They taught us the secrets of the marsh. They taught us the secrets of fire. But the stars did not teach us the secrets of our heart. We could not feed until this secret was known.

Hope that helps!

[Qaedain]

Just chipping in with some updates:
As of last night, Cyrano and I spent several hours on IRC hashing out some of the finer points of the diagram. This is what we came up with:

1) Veeshan is the dragon at the center.
2) The pact of Brell, Prexus and Tunare joins Veeshan at the center of the circle.
3) The symbol to the left ear of Veeshan represents Antonia Bayle; the three rays of light can be found above the castle on the heraldry of Qeynos.
4) By elimination, the opposing symbol must be that of Lucan D'Lere.

On Antonia:
She represents the "good" half of humanity, and is the protector of Enoxus, the planar-sourced Claymore of Qeynos, which was once wielded by Roehn Theer the Godslayer to keep the gods in check.

On Lucan:
He represents the "evil" half of humanity, and is the wielder of Aeteok, which we know to be Soulfire. Soulfire was also wielded by Roehn Theer the Godslayer to keep the gods in check.

On them both:
The most recent expansion for EverQuest 2 was titled "Sentinel's Fate," and the cover contains both swords combined.

http://www.aussiegamer.com.au/catalog/images/boxshots/lrg_A1EVERQUES.jpg

What we may derive from this symbolism we do not yet know, but it seems the path for us is a little clearer.

OTHER DISCOVERIES:
After deliberation, it has been confirmed that the 1/2 PM symbol is the Rune of Sunder, which foretold the destruction of Luclin. The symbol is also said to have an ancient partner, the Rune of Ethernere at the 3 PM position.

Documents from Rikantus Everling and Valdoartus Varsoon in EverQuest 2 confirm that this is the Rune of Ethernere. Ethernere a "symbol [that] represents a dimensional plane of existence far different than the known planes." Rikantus Everling's soul was divided into three parts by the primal forces of the Ethernere, and he became three separate shades: Rikantus Everling, Antiquitor Kantus Mor'Tael and Rikantus!

Now, in EQ2 lore, Rikantus Everling had a shop in Freeport past:
Although the shop produced an affluent clientele, it was located in the poorer section of Freeport due to its humble beginnings. It is said that it was also the perfect place to move contraband to and from the shop. That section of the city was later razed by the Freeport Office of Landholders by order of Sir Lucan D'Lere. They hired a dwarf crew to do the dirty work, Demolition Guild 426. I doubt you could find any remnants from that curios shop. However, an odd thing has been reported in the back alley taverns and black markets of Norrath, some say they have recently visited the House of Everling. Of course, those people that made such claims must be rathed. That entire section of Freeport was razed approximately three centuries ago and there is no record of a new Everling shop within Freeport. This would seem the case since a few of those few recent patrons have attempted to prove the existence of the shop only to find it was not where they thought it was.

Anything razed in EQ2 approximately "three centuries ago" still exists in the timeline of EQ1.

On the Rune of Sunder, we know several things:
Look to the stone of the Shissar.

"Hail, Antiquitor Kantus Mor'Tael"

Antiquitor Kantus Mor'Tael says to you, "Do I know you? Yes... the rune... the rune is the key."

"The rune of sunder?"

"You! I know you. The mystery begins with sunder."

"What is the mystery behind the rune? Where do I begin my quest?"

"Time is short. The rune is but one. I am... divided."

"No! Do not go."

It was too late. Whatever deeper memory within the man spoke to me, it had faded and he was nothing but a merchant of curios once again.

Rikantus says, "The rune's family awaits."

"What family?", you asked him.

"It is a single key of a great ring."

"What do you mean?"

"My thoughts... they fade and focus. Do not abandon the mystery. Do... not... abandon..."

"Stay with me, Rikantus!"

And one more thing:
On your way to Everling's Laboratory, you stumbled upon Everling's Research Lab and found 6 circles on the floor. You placed the dolls you acquired within. Idol of Everling appeared in the center and you took it. On the bottom of the idol you found an inscription that read, "Mor'Tael of Vul, Merchant of Oblivion, Servant of Theer". When you examined the idol further, you received an odd message, as if a voice had spoken. "Within thickets of fiend and flesh, through a tunnel beyond death... I call to you."

TO SUMMARIZE: The Idol of Everling depics Mor'tael of Vul, a servant of Roehn Theer the Godslayer. Mor'tael was an aspect of Rikantus Everling, the man who entered the Ethernere to avenge his daughters.

I have updated the pictogram with the correct labels.

http://rhallock.com/correct_runes.png

[Otto]

and Prexus ( 3 waves ).

Triumvirate of water. (E'ci, Tarew Marr, Povar)

[mixxit]

http://www.freshinc.co.uk/acs/sym.jpg

[Qaedain]

Triumvirate of water. (E'ci, Tarew Marr, Povar)

In the context of the image, it's most certainly Prexus, god of the ocean. Prexus, Tunare and Brell formed a pact to keep Veeshan in check; they also seeded the world with the first races: the Kedge, the Elves and the Underfoot, respectively.

[guineapig]

Another theory is that of the 4 horseman. The outer 4 symbols represent the evil gods:Rallos, Inny , Bertox , Cazic.


I don't feel comfortable with lumping Rallos Zek in the evil gods category. He's not exactly neutral, but you can certainly worship him and still not be KoS to most.

For one thing he is a sworn enemy of Bertox.

Second, the 4 gods mentioned do not properly fit the 4-horsemen profile, all we have is pestilence and war but no true famine or death. As stated before, In the EQ pantheon war and pestilence are not friends.

Finally, the 4-horsemen in general is Earth mythology which would not belong anywhere in Norrathian lore.

[mixxit]

If the dragon hater is Mayong, outside of his home is a druid ring with the tree symbol...

http://www.aquaviann.com/lsred.jpg

Looking glass could mean something like, crystal ball, which sees the future, like the future of eq II pic is suppose to do (Imagination!)

I really do help too much!

[Qaedain]

Further proof that Antonia/Enoxus is at the 10 PM inside the circle:
Velia Truesight says to you, "'To access the chamber, stand before the claymore monument and utter the words "Honor, Valor and Truth." The true Enoxus is on the inner ring of the calendar, at ten o'clock.'"

Velia Treusight says to you, "Kyle Antihilus Bayle, the Cure-Bearer, has returned from the grave? Fascinating! Does it get any weirder?"

You say, "It wasn't a coup attempt after all. He's in league with some creature from the void that desires the Qeynos Claymore."

Velia Truesight says to you, "Hmmmm... well, I suppose that could make sense. Right now the Order of Marr has Enoxus, the Claymore. So perhaps that membership roster I translated was one of theirs? I thought it contained too many non-Qeynosians to be some national organization."

[Qaedain]

Something that also feels relevant:

You say, "Hail, A stranger"

a stranger says to you, "Teir'Dal, you remind me of the past. So alike are we. I pray that we do not run the same path... for the sake of all Norrath."

You say to a stranger, "Who are you?"

a stranger says to you, "My apologies! It is quite rude of me to retain my helm in the midst of social activities such as our conversation. Ah! This is much better."

You say to a stranger, "It is you, Mayong Mistmoore!"

a stranger says to you, "There is no need to be alarmed. I am not searching for new recruits nor am I interested in libation. Now, let us discuss the Chelsith Stone."

You say to a stranger, "Where is Fiddy Bobick?"

a stranger says to you, "Like all the relevant items in this shadow box, he has been returned to my vaults for further research. I cannot have the stench of the shadows interfere with fate. But do not worry, he shall be released in due time, safe and sound."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What do you mean by the phrase, "shadow box?""

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "This Moppet Shoppe does not exist. It is a pocket outside of time and space, but still bordering our world. The shadows often lurk in places like this. It is where they have the most power outside of oblivion."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What were they looking for?"

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "One of their agents used Lord Bobick as a vessel. He then came to Kunark in search of the origin of the Chelsith Stone. They found it, after possessing some of my minions and stealing the stone along with their bodies. Fortunately, they also encountered the guardian of the chamber, the Leviathan."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "Then they needed me and my heroes to destroy the Leviathan."

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "You and your army slew the beast and reclaimed the stone. They would have taken it from you had you happened to lose to a shadow infused Lord Bobick. But you are far too powerful for a shadow and some overpowered moppets."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "Then you came here to reclaim the Chelsith Stone."

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "I sent the drachnids to Kunark to find the Chamber of Destiny. It was discovered and you have rid it of the guardian. I can now study the chamber in private. The shissar have left us a calendar within that must be excavated. The stone was once part of this."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What is so special about a calendar."

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "The shissar marked the end of our universe on the calendar, Ages End. Unfortunately, the Leviathan has buried the chamber and all of Chelsith in its arcane excrement. My minions will work hard and long to uncover the calendar."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "But what does the Chelsith Stone have to do with a calendar."

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "It is the sigil at the heart of the calendar, or it was, until a would be chieftain named Thuuga removed it from its resting place. "
You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What do you do with the sigil? "

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "Nothing... yet. The Sigil of Ages End is a gift from the planar realms. It is not as we once believed in Mistmyr. The powers above are ignorant and they passed that curse onto us. Such are the fruits of blind faith. However, I know much more than I did back then."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What did you learn about the sigil?"

Lord Mayong Mistmoore to you, "It is a key to Ages End, but it is not the only one. It is only part of the puzzle that must be assembled. I must uncover the calendar and find the other pieces of the puzzle, the Monoliths of Theer."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "I will not let you have the Chelsith Stone."

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "You will hand it to me freely and just as easily as I allowed Aeteok to return to Sir Lucan D'Lere. Destiny shall bring us together on the brink of Ages End."
You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "Then I can keep the stone?"

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "You will keep the stone safe until we are destined to meet again. We have begun an odyssey that we cannot walk away from. It will always be a part of our lives, until we meet at the end."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What now?"

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "I shall continue the hunt for the sixteen Monoliths of Theer and you shall hone your skills. You may be a champion, the finest on Norrath, but that is not good enough to face what we must face... at the end."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "When will we meet again?"

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "We'll meet beyond the mirror of destiny. Until then, keep the stone safe and never let it go."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "What happens if I lose it?"

Some experience has been paid toward your debt.

Lord Mayong Mistmoore says to you, "Then I will have no need of you and you can return to being an untapped cask of blood. Make no mistake, we are not friends. Do not lose the one thing that keeps you alive. Now, go before this place collapses."

You say to Lord Mayong Mistmoore, "Farewell."

You receive: The Chelsith Stone

[Nedala]

I dont really get whats this all about, looks very interesting but i guess my english is too bad.

http://www.hobbygaertner.eu/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures//everquest2_screenshots_1/eq2_000076_20100320_1380665624.jpg

This is a screenshot i made in EQ2. Its in the tower over freeport, its Lucans place. Those burning things you see in the middle of the symbols are copies of soulfire (one of them is the original).


http://www.freshinc.co.uk/acs/sym.jpg

I believe this is inside Shard of Love (it really looks like that). Behind this door you fight Mithaniel Marr, so the symbol on the door is related to Mithaniel or Erollisi Marr i think.

[redghosthunter]

"I don't feel comfortable with lumping Rallos Zek in the evil gods category. He's not exactly neutral, but you can certainly worship him and still not be KoS to most."--- Chic

Evil Powers can and do , complete with each other over power. A God of War, is certainly not a Good- Alignment.

Lawful Evil- Alignment, seek's power and control for self, employing others using some kind of hierarchy of followers.
Chaotic Evil- Alignment is more of random acts of evil. No use of others to carry out their selfish ambition.
Neutral Evil- Alignment is more of a if it benefits me... attitude. A Neutral Evil can work with Good Alignments... as long as they get something.


Second, I stand with Ghaz, that there are hints to the past of the Realm the Planet in the symbols across the land. Veshaan at the core first and creator of the dragonraces. Brell-Tunare-Prexos, in opposition to Veshaan. The Trinity of Gods (Brell-Tunare-Prexos,) are in the world thus .... In the circle. If you travel to any of the places of those 3 gods you go .. into the earth. Outside of the circle.. outside of the planet you have the planes of the 4 Evil Gods... You can not reach them unless you Port.... off the world. Innoruuk WIZ port, Cazic Portal, Rallos ... later (POP) a portal, Bertoxx later (POP) a portal. THUS outside the world. This is easy to follow.

Third, Variant was a small company. There is much filler all over the game. We all have seen mistakes of all kinds. Ok i can follow Maysong wanted to become a God. I can follow the other major players involved with struggles. BUT, when it comes right down to it the symbols are WRONG. No Dark Elf would ever have any lessor deities symbols in their cities. To that would be to Invoke the ANGER of Innoruuk. Once out of the favor of Innoruuk the Clerics of Innoruuk would not have their prayers/spells answered. Less face it Dark Elves and the other races are NOT watered down HUMANs. There is no major power in the world of everquest ruling all the races putting symbols in there cities. Its all filler.

The Developers IF they want any kinda following other than 5th graders needs to READ the heritage of D&D/TSR/Wizards of the Coast, and actually write material that makes sense. Not try and REWRITE, history to fit some kind of new market that they are reaching for. I'm kinda getting the feeling that we are bring MARKETED for a new line of books or maybe that new expansion. Something that EQ live did constantly IE LoN card game and all the other trash.

[Mmohunter]

The symbol on the orb is Veeshan , ruler of the Plane of Sky ( the sky surrounds Norrath!) and the first to populate Norrath with her brood. This also means the orb depicted on the stone is Norrath. The circle around Norrath represents Veeshan's Veil over Norrath or maybe some sort of "circle of protection?". The three symbols "on" Norrath are that of Brell Serilis ( the arrow with 3 candles ) , Tunare ( the 9 seeds ) , and Prexus ( 3 waves ). They are "on" Norrath because they were the next Gods to populate Norrath with their creations. The 3 symbols "surrounding" Veeshan also represent the pact that they made together to keep Veeshan in check. According to lore, Ralos Zek was also present at this meeting of the "good" gods but kept his distance so to say.

I agree!

[guineapig]

the only 2 gnomes that jump at me, are Maelin Starpyre.. and later on meldrath.

http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=3379

Has anyone tried talking to him recently? He's in the mino caves.

[Cyrano]

I'm confident the Gnome we're looking for is Meldrath, the event in question was opening up Paineel. However, the version we need is GM controlled so he's not very important in the mino caves =P

The southeast emblem is of Bertoxx, it is the symbol of the Xolous who effectively created him. In EQOA lore the Xolous are the only thing feared by dragons, they worshiped disease. Consequently the dead hills lie where they used to live until Bertoxx removed it to the plane of disease.

Following the Xolous a new immortal race came to live in the Dead Hills who were obsessed with death and studying it. This was the Envar, the alien-esque race of Rodcet Knife (little known fact, he is actually the second prime healer).

A modern day (p99) version of this symbol are the Obelisks, which is a source of power for Bertoxx. As we know that the Xulous and Envar were all-powerful races, we also know that the Erudites appropriated it from a cache of knowledge they discovered which brought Norrath out of the Lost Age. Isn't it interesting that th heart of disease and the heart of healing - eternal enemies - came from the same area? Isn't it also interesting that upon openly using Necrotic powers the Erudites had their first civil war then split into two separate groups in Paineel and Erudin? What if the Xolous and Envar came from the same origins? The only hitch in this; Envar look like aliens.

[rioisk]

IMO all these symbols are random filler. I think it's a little nonsensical to build EQ lore from what we "know" from classic back in 1999 and EQ2 now.

I think we need an explanation for why the dark elves have that symbol in their home city. Without that explanation we're ignoring something important.

[Phallax]

I'm confident the Gnome we're looking for is Meldrath, the event in question was opening up Paineel. However, the version we need is GM controlled so he's not very important in the mino caves =P

The southeast emblem is of Bertoxx, it is the symbol of the Xolous who effectively created him. In EQOA lore the Xolous are the only thing feared by dragons, they worshiped disease. Consequently the dead hills lie where they used to live until Bertoxx removed it to the plane of disease.

Following the Xolous a new immortal race came to live in the Dead Hills who were obsessed with death and studying it. This was the Envar, the alien-esque race of Rodcet Knife (little known fact, he is actually the second prime healer).

A modern day (p99) version of this symbol are the Obelisks, which is a source of power for Bertoxx. As we know that the Xulous and Envar were all-powerful races, we also know that the Erudites appropriated it from a cache of knowledge they discovered which brought Norrath out of the Lost Age. Isn't it interesting that th heart of disease and the heart of healing - eternal enemies - came from the same area? Isn't it also interesting that upon openly using Necrotic powers the Erudites had their first civil war then split into two separate groups in Paineel and Erudin? What if the Xolous and Envar came from the same origins? The only hitch in this; Envar look like aliens.

Alot of this makes since. I had a guildmate tell me he was chosen by a GM to find the city of Envar, which is in the Dead Hills. If you look on the Classic cloth map or anymap online with only classic/kunark/velious. The Dead Hills are just south of Feerott but dont actually exist here.

[Cyrano]

It's not filler, the entire thing was planned before EQ was even created by the lore writers during the PNP sessions back in the day. Tony Garcia created Lucan (one of the central figures in this story arc), Mayong, etc. long before EQ was ever an idea.

[Cyrano]

In fact if you really think about it, this sigil represents the history of Norrath. If we can figure out the symbol's meanings we can discover the end of days and the release of EQ3.

This sigil comes in two parts, but there are more in the Shissar calendar which we have yet to see. I'd wager that most every significant event in EQ lore is portrayed there, ultimately it is a visual version of The Lore Bible.

First Part (EQ1):

In the center we have the creation of life on Norrath and one of the major driving storylines. Veeshan appears and creates life, Bristlebane - who had also created life in Underfoot - forms a pact with the next two gods to arrive, Tunare and Prexus, to quarantine Veeshan effectively limiting the powers of dragons so that the creations of other Gods may compete with them. Of the four outer runes we can view instances of destruction: the rune of sunder (luclin shattering), Rune of Xolous/Envar (creation of disease and the fall of the first Prime Healer), Rune of Rallos Zek (either the rise or fall of the Rallosian Army), and the X Rune (at this point presumably the end of the Shissar or of Days - via the Greenmist or something we don't know of).

Now two of the main story arcs in EQ are Dragons vs everyone and Dragons vs Dragons. We know that Kerafyrm was created by the mating of a Fire (red) and Ice (blue) dragon. What do Nagafen and Vox want more than anything? To consumate their love. What does the Circle of Veeshan forbid them from doing? Just that. Their goal is to create a second prismatic dragon and free themselves from the overbearing rule of Veeshan (read the prophecy of Kildrukuan).

In the mirror (EQ2) where do we see something similar? Oh yes, the introduction of Antonia (blue) and Lucan (red). The swords Claymore (blue) and Soulfire (red) which, as Qae pointed out, are representations of the hands of The Nameless. Who was the nameless? The creator of all. Aside from Gods who did he create? Theer. Who is Theer? The God Slayer. What did Theer have in possession? The hands of The Nameless. Who now holds these? Antonia and Lucan. Who holds the fate of the world? Mortals.

Now let's get to the second Sigil (blue):

In the center we now have was looks like arrows pointing in the cardinal directions but is is also the Ankh which is brandished on Mayong's face. Mayong is the second mortal to ascend to godhood, the first being Zebuxoruk. Who does Mayong hate? Dragons. To the left of this we see the Symbol of the Marrs which has been appropriated by Qeynos effectively representing Antonia (blue) and to the right we have the symbol of Lucan. Currently I do not know where he appropriated it. The north rune is that of a dragon ascending, this could mean many things but most likely is either the awakening of a sleeper or the arrival of Veeshan. Keep in mind that Kerafyrm might not be the first prismatic dragon and he certainly won't be the last, with that position at 12 there is a good chance this is a repeating history. Moving on, at 3 we have the rune of the void. Why is this important? All over norrath we have the sigil which Miragul used as a teleport between worlds and planes, near it is often firepots which are also use for world teleportation. In the EQ2 timeline (which was created when the timeline was ripped in PoP), we have the new Sigil. We have characters actively traveling between the void and we have shadowmen in both timelines meaning the void was certainly open in our Norrath. The opening of the void is most certainly what this represents, but to take it EVEN FURTHER we know that who returned to norrath in EQ2 through the void? Anatsi'Sul. Who was she? The first prime healer. Why was she banished? For creating disease (subsequently Bertoxx). What did she bring to EQ2? The Prophecy of Theer and the second Sigil. What else? Claymore and Soulfire.

New paragraph for your safety! Now at 6 we have the symbol of the combine. This still remains a mystery - was it only of the combine or was it appropriate? Have we seen this anywhere else? If it is simply the Combine, this could represent the ascension man and ultimately the mortal beings beginning the road towards power that rivals the Gods (this ends in PoP). At 9 we have the symbol of the Ratonga. I have yet to research this much however I believe these were the first beings created by Bristlebane due to the lore and history of what he was secretly doing in Underfoot when the pact against Veeshan was created.

So those of you stuck on this belonging to the Dark Elves need to take a step back and look at it in the entire scope of history. This symbol pops up in every EQ game out there, it's larger then just one race, era, or even timeline. It is the symbol that binds Norrath together and will eventually lead to it's demise. However at the time of total despair what are we to do? Look to the Alabaster Tower. Who is the God of Knowledge? Easy, that's the first human to ascend to Godhood; Zebuxoruk. Who were we helping recreate time in PoP? That's right, Zeb.

I think of the calendar as this. Rather than a clock or an actual calendar, it is a target with Norrath at the center and prophesied events hurling at it. Once all of them have occurred, the final struggle will begin and it's a multi-layered one. Dragons vs Dragons (Naggy,Vox, and Prismatic_Dragon_01/02/03 vs Veeshan et. al). Man vs Dragons (Mayong). Man vs Gods(Us). Gods vs Dragons. Read the prophecy, choose your Ew and this you shall know. All this is real.

[rioisk]

How is this related to the release of the plane of sky......i'm sure we're all wondering that....

[Qaedain]

Cyrano, can you offer a picture of the Bertoxxulesian symbols? I don't follow your logical leap of the Xulous.

Also, get on IRC.

[Leokaiser]

What has my curiosity piqued is, with all these EQ veterans running around and putting so much effort into this yet finding no obviously conclusive answers, how Mixxit can know with certainty what it all means - assuming he indeed does!

[rioisk]

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/38/ootruins.jpg

ruins in seafury island in OOT. This is the same symbol as the ruins outside mistmoore.

edit - my mistake what I meant to ask is why some druid rings work and others don't

[Ghaz]

This is the exact location where we encountered Al'kabor and received Miragul;s phylactery. Note the symbol on the stones littered throughout Miragul's caves.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4468/eq000077.png (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/eq000077.png/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

The symbol also looks like a crescent moon on it's side.

[Qaedain]

Updated pictogram:

http://rhallock.com/correct_runes2.png

[Akame]

This is an amazing thread, and I always thought I was good in EQ lore, turns out I'm just a newb! lol, But commenting on what little I do know atm (some of these quotes are from several pages back sorry!


Now the question I'd be most concerned with is why the DEF's have this symbol? Most DEF's follow Innoruuk. Innoruuk's symbol is clearly outside of the center. It would make sense to find this, Circle of Protection in the cities of the cities of the people Inside the Circle. I guess this is yet another Oops on Veriant ??? No respecting DEF would want to empower "lessor," gods in their cities.

Remember, DEF's didn't start out as dark elves, they were created when Innoruuk "perfected" them by torturing the elven king and queen for a thousand years. Plus, every one of the deities talked about can be represented by dark elves.


I don't feel comfortable with lumping Rallos Zek in the evil gods category. He's not exactly neutral, but you can certainly worship him and still not be KoS to most.

Correct, Rallos would closely resemble Chaotic Neutral. He is the god of War, nothing matters but war, peace is his enemy, and to die in battle is the only way to go, good or evil would have no meaning to a follower of Zek, only whatever cause suited best the purpose of creating war.

Ok back to the topic at hand, has anyone checked the images that are in the cliffs leading up to highkeep? I haven't seen them myself for 10 years but I always remember those being breathtaking, maybe some of your symbols are repeated there.

[Qaedain]

I'm going to go ahead and agree with Cyrano's impression that the symbol isn't so much a chronological dial, but a chronicling of events that all lead up to an ultimate event. The appearance of three categories of symbols at the center is significant:

1. Veeshan's emblem represents her continued literal influence, as well as a symbol for all dragonkind. Set beneath a northward arrow, we can say that dragons are in ascension.

2. Mayong Mistmoore is the second mortal to ascend to godhood following Zebuxoruk, and he did so by killing Ayonae Ro and converting her plane into the Theatre of Blood. He absolutely detests dragons.

3. The appearance of Aeteok and Enoxus--represented by Lucan and Antonia, respectively--indicates either that humanity will be a driving force in the end days, or the Sleeper will be a driving force, as I understand he absorbed both swords.

All three of these powers will be in contention for the ultimate fate of Norrath,

When we look back to consider the Chelsith stone, we see the Norrath of EQII being merged with various events, set upon a stone inscribed with symbols that foretold events in both the EQII timeline of Norrath and the EQI timeline of norrath. These symbols merging with Norrath can be found on Druid stones throughout EQII.

http://vnmedia.ign.com/screenshots/eq2/2718216.jpg

[Phallax]

What has my curiosity piqued is, with all these EQ veterans running around and putting so much effort into this yet finding no obviously conclusive answers, how Mixxit can know with certainty what it all means - assuming he indeed does!

I dont think anyone truly knows the full meaning to all of it other than its the "Doomsday Calendar" created by the shissar. I think what Mixxit may be looking for is what the next step p99 as a sever is about to reach. And I believe its the 9 o'clock position With Sky > Hole > Kunark being released soon.

[Deric]

If the lower right symbol did in fact symbolize Bertoxxulous(Xulous) or Miragul in someway, why is it the most noticeable symbol throughout Erudin? And by noticeable I mean its on pots at the top of each tower(for each magical discipline), the covering and headboard of every bed, even the doors within the palace contain this symbol..

Seeing that the northern caves carved out supposedly by Miragul do contain this symbol could lead us to these conclusions and connections. But the dominance of it through-out all of Erudin puts this theory to some doubt. Miragul was involved much in Erudin during the early days within the Age of Turmoil, but nothing to suggest his hand in ever facet like this symbol seems to play.

....

Though now I see it is also in Paineel.. So I don't know.. :)

[Ghaz]

Apparently, there was a GM event in Unrest a couple weeks ago, telling the lore behind Dagnor's Cauldron. There was also the event that started in the EC tunnels and led players to Kedge. Can someone give some insight on these please?

[Cyrano]

The symbol from Erudin is definitely the Obelisk you can find in LFay which originally showed up in the Dead Hills. Both Bertoxx and the Envar/Prime Healer come from this area. My only question is which came first?

Both the Xolous and Envar were supremely powerful. Xolous was the only true enemy of dragons during the EQOA era.

Check out this link - http://everquest.allakhazam.com/wiki/The_Crypt_of_Decay

Lots of things to connect here but the story becomes clearer every day.

[Cyrano]

Oh sorry the connection is that the Erudin's derived their intense power from one or both of these cultures. The symbol is Erudin is more assuredly appropriated and not created by them. This also fits into my belief that the glowing sigils we find in Neriak/MM/QCat etc were placed by Miragul - the most knowledgeable Erudite of them all - and used as portals for him to travel in his various forms.

[rioisk]

anybody ever notice if this symbol is in the plane of sky?

[Cyrano]

I'm still not convinced that symbol in the center is Veeshan, the overlap of the Ankh of YDal makes me think it's Mayong although I can't be certain. It could very well be Kerafyrm who was also entrapped in a bubble.... given the new image from above with the "The Future of Everquest 2" text, it looks as if the original central figure has become more important than all others. Again would that be Veeshan (who I believe is dead?), Mayong, or Kerafyrm? Considering Kerafyrm consumed the swords which I interpret to be the hands of destruction he seems to most likely.

[Cyrano]

Oh and the other thing to remember is that the symbols are viewed differently via different lenses the lore of the game just as it is with us. While DE's might see Innoruuk as the central being, worshipers of Veeshan or Mayong or whoever could say the same thing.

[Phallax]

I'm still not convinced that symbol in the center is Veeshan, the overlap of the Ankh of YDal makes me think it's Mayong although I can't be certain. It could very well be Kerafyrm who was also entrapped in a bubble.... given the new image from above with the "The Future of Everquest 2" text, it looks as if the original central figure has become more important than all others. Again would that be Veeshan (who I believe is dead?), Mayong, or Kerafyrm? Considering Kerafyrm consumed the swords which I interpret to be the hands of destruction he seems to most likely.

Im still convinced its Theer, being that Qeynos Claymore and Soulfire are respectfully his left and right hands.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d178/xJeebsx/dembimg_206693_4.jpg

The middle picture does resemble him alot and notice the symbols in the background perfectly match the ones at the bottom of the detailed Chelsith stone Mixxit originally posted.

[Deric]

Regarding the bottom right symbol again.. Erudin and Paineel do not share the same symbol-- I didn't look closely enough at first. But here they are:

Erudin:
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8894/eq000180.png

Paineel:
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9287/eq000179.png

[Crampers]

I'm still not convinced that symbol in the center is Veeshan, the overlap of the Ankh of YDal makes me think it's Mayong although I can't be certain. It could very well be Kerafyrm who was also entrapped in a bubble.... given the new image from above with the "The Future of Everquest 2" text, it looks as if the original central figure has become more important than all others. Again would that be Veeshan (who I believe is dead?), Mayong, or Kerafyrm? Considering Kerafyrm consumed the swords which I interpret to be the hands of destruction he seems to most likely.

I've been following this thread and it's been incredibly interesting.

From what I've read from yourself and other posters, I'm am also second guessing who this actually is. I am now also leading towards Kerafyrm.

IF this symbol is supposed to represent not only history, but a prediction to the future, then, like you suggest this Figure should still exist within our time. I'm taking 'our time' to be what EQ1 is currently at now.

Kerafyrm has recently been defeated - although was not killed. Simply put back to sleep. It might be good for someone who actually did this event on Live who understood the lore behind to post what they can. From what I can seem to read, it would appear even though he was close to death, was stopped from being killed. Why?

If he has indeed consumed these 'God killer' weapons, surely the dragons want him kept alive. With Kerafyrm's destruction, surely destroys the only way for the dragons to ever defeat the Gods? Maybe Kerafyrm could be used against the Gods as an actual weapon?

[Qaedain]

The "Veeshan" image could be a dual symbol.

If this is the diagram that depicts the beginning AND the end of the world, then it is appropriate to put an imagine relevant to both events in the center. It could easily be Veeshan and Kerafyrm.

//EDIT: Hell, it could be Theer, too, a triumvirate of powers represented by the same logo, depicting three aspects of the same force of destruction.

[Deric]

These look familiar?

The first is on the elevator going up to the tower in Mistmoore

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5021/eq000161.png

.... which leads to the well known:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/4169/eq000156.png

...

If this is truly the symbol of Veeshan, why is it found prominently like a stamped seal of approval within the Mistmoore Castles whom is known to hate the dragonkin.?

Also:

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6030/eq000184.png

From the halls of the Frozen Tower of Shadow, ruled by Tserrina Syl`Tor; supposed former lover of Mayong Mistmoore. The tower stands in ruined, rumored to have come under the wraith of the mistress from her rejection by Mayong.(Perhaps non-cannon..? Though there is evidence to support their connection within the tower itself)

[Cyrano]

Alright check this out. Notice how the Ankh of Ydal overlaps the central image.

http://rhallock.com/correct_runes2.png

Now look at what is brandished on Mayong's face?

http://eq2.mondespersistants.com/images/images_art/198.jpg

And where do find this image by itself?

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5021/eq000161.png

Also who can place this image? Does it look familiar? It's from EQ2 and the peacock questline.


http://loreofnorrath.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/tomb-of.jpg

[Crampers]

Good find Deric! It's interesting that this symbol is present in Velious. This could prove important.

[Qaedain]

Castle Mistmoore is one of the last fortresses of the Empire of Caerthiel. Caerthiel predates the Dark Elves and Mistmoore, which is why it's not unreasonable for the logo to be present throughout, despite the fact that ol' Mayong hates dragons.

[Crampers]

There is an interesting Article located here:

http://www.graffe.com/forums/showthread.php?3659-The-Teir-dal

It explains a possible relationship between Veeshan and the dark elves. You guys who are top notch on lore might be able to de-cipher this better.

It also claims that the symbol being discussed is 'the symbol of Veeshan' according to this. It also mentions certain symbol positions in Norrath that i'm trying to hunt down since the image links are no longer working.

[Cyrano]

That's the PoS release GM event, part of what is currently going on. The Stone of Chelsith is something else however which Mixxit has connected. As far as I can tell there has been no linear GM event like Ghaz and his part are experiencing although parts from many other GM events have made an appearance.

Sky will be coming soon though, how soon? I'd say a month at the most and week at the least.

[mixxit]

Do not take the prophecy of trakanon lore too seriously. There are some details that are true, some that are based on truths and some that is just speculation.

That being said there are things that are said in npc text in the game world that are just what the npc believes but are not necessarily true.

For example there are no records of the Caerthiel but they do seem to share a similar story to the Y`Dal.

[Cyrano]

Well this throws a damper in the whole thing

http://common.allakhazam.com/images/0/a/0aca54adc955e1c17d5759149f7d8c11.png

[Xumosa]

yep...also ghaz just discovered on the doors to najena is that symbol so its definatly inny...also in lavastorm i came across this

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/8876/loret.jpg

[Deric]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9915/eq000201.png

Further support that this is the symbol of Innoruuk/Neriak. This is a firepot in the depths of Timorous Deep that connects you directly with Neriak when you touch this specific pot. Likewise the corresponding symbol of Erudin will take you there:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1083/eq000183.png

[Deric]

... There is on oddity that is perplexing though.. And that would be this pot:

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4516/eq000199.png
The symbol was cut off a bit on its stand, however; it is the same symbol that decorates the dagger and bowl you see in this picture as well as found in the Qeynos catacombs and in the tower of Mistmoore.(Ghaz posted a picture of the cats, I of the tower.)

This particular pot teleports you to Halas where you see the symbols again in a few places.. Even a replica of the bow and dagger again. Significant to our puzzle? Probably not. Still interesting or perhaps simply random none-the-less.


http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5750/eq000203.png

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4400/eq000207.png

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/880/eq000205.png

[rioisk]

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8194/symbols2.jpg

dark elf camp in WC

[utenan]

That symbol seems to be a random decoration, it is also in the bridge tower in NK: http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/northkarana-tower.jpg

Or perhaps it isnt, who knows : D

[Phallax]

Its the seal of the Barbarian, dunno why its used in some places tho. Filler I guess.

[Ghaz]

Ok....new theory on the symbol on the bottom left (the eclipse). I believe it has something to do with the Splitpaw Gnolls. Notice the 3 Spires , but they aren't 90 degrees, they're arched like in the eclipse.

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5029/eq000082.png (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/eq000082.png/)

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/4735/eq000085.png (http://img809.imageshack.us/i/eq000085.png/)

Also inside of Solusek's Eye (solA)

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8489/eq000095.png (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/eq000095.png/)

Why would the goblins have Inny , Brell , and Bertox ( I think) inside of an "altar" room?

And, is this is a "druid" symbol I think i read someone say...why the hell are Shadow Men protecting it?

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/1316/eq000098.png (http://img812.imageshack.us/i/eq000098.png/)


Exactly 4 days left until I must present my case. I need everyone to ask their friends and guildmates for more information! Thank you everyone for the help so far!

[Deric]

And just for fun:

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5206/eq000210.png


Reminds me a bit of the:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3561/eq000170.png


Brings thoughts of the story of King Naythox and Queen Cristianos Thex.

I enjoy the possibility of the spectre tower in Oasis being the site of the portal that Innoruuk opened to whisk these two away to form the first Teir'dal :)

[utenan]

The druid rings/symbol seems odd, mixxit seems to have hinted that they are of some importance.... I have also noticed that when its just the lone piller, the dash is locatd on the right side of the druid ring symbol, but when the whole druid "ring" is there, the dash is on the left. There are about 4 lone pillars in nek forest, that's when I noticed it

[Gaaaaavin]

I'm on the way out the door for work so I can't get a pic of this to post (perhaps someone could help me out and find or take one). I've been following this thread for a while and loving it, but now that we're down to posting all the DE related sightings of the center symbol, we've all forgotten the biggest one. Outside the entrance to Neriak itself!

I found a screenie of the refurbished zone, but I'd love to have someone get a screenie of the original for me.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/nektulos3-neriak.jpg

[guineapig]

I would just like to mention that the creators of EQ2 in some cases revamped the original lore, while in other cases simply didn't know what the original creators of EQ had in mind.

I'm of the mindset that adding anything from EQ to this thread is doing more to confuse us than help us.

ALso, I still think that the placement of many of these symbols were simply put there by the graphical designers using a bunch of images they were given to work with.

Yesy, in some cases they are purposeful, but more and more people are posting examples of locations where the symbols make no sense to be there at all. Unless of course the symbol does not mean what we think it does....

Just my 2 cents.

[Akame]

I understand why that symbol would be considered inny, but if this is the doomsday calendar written by the shissar, why would they have considered Inny at the center of it all? I would lean more towards that is the symbol of hatred, and hate is the undoing of creation. Or, it is really originally Veeshawn or Kerafym, those two I could relate with doomsday.

[Shaun421]

Don't know how accurate the EQ Lore Wiki is, but I thought it a bit funny while trying to brush up on some lore that someone changed the name of the Castle Mistmoore page to the "The Stupid McStupidhead's original castle."

http://everquestlore.wikia.com/wiki/Castle_Mistmoore

Thank you, whoever you were.

[mixxit]

I understand why that symbol would be considered inny, but if this is the doomsday calendar written by the shissar, why would they have considered Inny at the center of it all? I would lean more towards that is the symbol of hatred, and hate is the undoing of creation. Or, it is really originally Veeshawn or Kerafym, those two I could relate with doomsday.

:-)

[redghosthunter]

This has been a GREAT thread .... Thanks for giving us a thinker...

[Phallax]

:-)

That smile is making me curious on what he pointed out. Im guessing the symbol of hatred part.

[Qaedain]

After additional work with Cyrano and Mixxit, we have another revised version of the pictogram:

http://rhallock.com/correct_runes3.png

THINGS OF NOTE:
1. The center contains gods who created a race: Prexus and Kedge, Innoruuk and the Dark Elves, Brell and the Underfoot, Tunare and the Elves.
2. Joining these forces of creation at the center are two forces that wield the power to destroy: Aeteok and Enoxus, the swords used by an avatar of The Nameless to keep gods in check, and Mayong Mistmoore, who ascended to godhood after usurping Ayonae Ro.
3. The exterior contains events that have left a massive impression on the world of Norrath. The symbols tell of the first races, the rise of Bertoxxulous, the rise of Cazic Thule, the rise and/or fall of Rallos Zek (another force of creation: Ogres) the Marr Twins (another force of creation: Barbarians and Frogloks), the end of the Shissar Empire, the first brood of Dragons, and so on.

What can we determine from this information presented together as a single symbol? Why does Innoruuk, a resentful god that was late to the party, lie most prominently at the center?

[guineapig]

Why does Innoruuk, a resentful god that was late to the party, lie most prominently at the center?


because he hates them all? :p

[Qaedain]

One theory I have for Innoruuk lying at the center runs on an obvious interpretation:

Followers of Innoruuk, the Prince of Hate, include nearly the entire dark elven race who regard him as their "Father". They believe that hate is a creative force, or rather "THE" creative force in the universe - creativity born of destruction ... It is the honest belief of the followers of Innoruuk that if they were to hate strongly enough, they could destroy all of Norrath.

What is Mistmoore's relationship with Innoruuk? I understand that MM has previously thwarted the efforts of Lanys T'Vyl, a chosen of Inny. Are they in opposition?

[Akame]

After additional work with Cyrano and Mixxit, we have another revised version of the pictogram:

http://rhallock.com/correct_runes3.png

THINGS OF NOTE:
1. The center contains gods who created a race: Prexus and Kedge, Innoruuk and the Dark Elves, Brell and the Underfoot, Tunare and the Elves.
2. Joining these forces of creation at the center are two forces that wield the power to destroy: Aeteok and Enoxus, the swords used by an avatar of The Nameless to keep gods in check, and Mayong Mistmoore, who ascended to godhood after usurping Ayonae Ro.
3. The exterior contains events that have left a massive impression on the world of Norrath. The symbols tell of the first races, the rise of Bertoxxulous, the rise of Cazic Thule, the rise and/or fall of Rallos Zek (another force of creation: Ogres) the Marr Twins (another force of creation: Barbarians and Frogloks), the end of the Shissar Empire, the first brood of Dragons, and so on.

What can we determine from this information presented together as a single symbol? Why does Innoruuk, a resentful god that was late to the party, lie most prominently at the center?

If I'm right, then it means Innoruuk is not represented in the center circle, and gods in the center of this depiction are not there because they are the gods who created a race.

[Akame]

Maybe they're there because they're good gods and hold hatred in check. Though the 4 gods directly on the outside in the original symbol represent four more evil gods right? War, pestilence, ...

Which gods were all represented in the plane of time? What was the name of the goddess of time and is she depicted on the clock of the world? Is Zeb and his machinations against the gods related anywhere?

[Pyrocat]

After additional work with Cyrano and Mixxit, we have another revised version of the pictogram:

http://rhallock.com/correct_runes3.png

THINGS OF NOTE:
1. The center contains gods who created a race: Prexus and Kedge, Innoruuk and the Dark Elves, Brell and the Underfoot, Tunare and the Elves.
2. Joining these forces of creation at the center are two forces that wield the power to destroy: Aeteok and Enoxus, the swords used by an avatar of The Nameless to keep gods in check, and Mayong Mistmoore, who ascended to godhood after usurping Ayonae Ro.
3. The exterior contains events that have left a massive impression on the world of Norrath. The symbols tell of the first races, the rise of Bertoxxulous, the rise of Cazic Thule, the rise and/or fall of Rallos Zek (another force of creation: Ogres) the Marr Twins (another force of creation: Barbarians and Frogloks), the end of the Shissar Empire, the first brood of Dragons, and so on.

What can we determine from this information presented together as a single symbol? Why does Innoruuk, a resentful god that was late to the party, lie most prominently at the center?

One theory I have for Innoruuk lying at the center runs on an obvious interpretation:

Followers of Innoruuk, the Prince of Hate, include nearly the entire dark elven race who regard him as their "Father". They believe that hate is a creative force, or rather "THE" creative force in the universe - creativity born of destruction ... It is the honest belief of the followers of Innoruuk that if they were to hate strongly enough, they could destroy all of Norrath.

What is Mistmoore's relationship with Innoruuk? I understand that MM has previously thwarted the efforts of Lanys T'Vyl, a chosen of Inny. Are they in opposition?

Lanys may be the chosen of Inny, but they don't have the best father/daughter relationship. If I remember correctly , Lanys tried to destroy Innoruuk and had an affair with Mistmoore as well, but I don't remember how it ended.

It could be that Innoruuk or Hate is represented in the center of the circle as it was his hatred of the high elves that created the dark elves. Additionally, if the power of hate is represented, it would follow with the prophecy of destruction.

[Pyrocat]

And some info on the GM event that opened the Plane of Sky, and more about the veil:

For those who collect the knowledge of Norrath, here is a story that was told to me last ngiht while travelling though Plane of Knowledge. A Barbarian woman, Gara Tidyngs, appeared and began her tale....


T’was a long time ago, ere your time. Even the Dwarves have lost memories of that event. After Veeshan had brought life to Norrath; She settled into the Plane of Sky and drew a veil across the chasm separating the dragon plane from us. Than she fell into a long and peaceful slumber.

So too did the dragons still left on Norrath, as their strength was derived from the Plane, and the Veil kept them from exercising their magical powers.
Ya see, lads and lasses, the Ring of Scale dinna take kindly to mortals meddling in their affairs, and the Veil did well to prevent that.

Aye; but the Dragons slept; and the Veil fell into neglect; until mortals began to find cracks and once more make inroads into the Plane of Sky.

On Norrath; the dragon Zavo’Zatanov and her accomplices were determined to remove the Veil and restore the power to the Ring of Scale. Not your normal group of travelers were these. Though they called themselves brother and sister; they were clearly not so.

Zavo, a High Elven woman of exquisite beauty; Rals’Zezonis, strongly Human; Sarethsin’Kaz, a typically snobby Erudite; and rounding out this already peculiar group was a Troll named Soreg’Sslisn.

Great Rewards and Dangerous Adventure they promised, fortune and glory to all who could hear, and not an ear on the land missed their call. And what could possibly be the goal of such a motley group, forcing them to enlist the aid of total strangers?
Like a knife, the next two words sliced through the cold night air, silencing all within hearing

“Lady Vox.“ Lady Vox holds that which we seek.

Through Blackburrow did they Venture; the Gnolls rejoicing that they did not stay their journey. Thence through Everfrost, which some say melted a little under the presence of such a horde.
On to Permafrost, the lair of Lady Vox.

The group paused, casters with their noses buried deep within their books, murmuring arcane phrases; warriors unsheathing their blades, donning helms, whilst the smaller folk faded in and out of view. Suddenly; out of the bleak mountains of Ever frost a voice rang out. That is when they first heard:

”Vile Children of Scale, Your Efforts are wasted this Day! You were fools to think you could stand against the fury of Mistmoore!”

The sound echoed off the cavern walls. Out of the shadows sprung the horror, three Tier’Dal soldiers; Agents of the dreaded Vampire Lord. Lord Galendor, nightmare of Mistmoore and chief enforcer of Mayong himself; led the charge leveling a furious attack at the High Elven woman, Zavo, before they had any time to react. Khasra Vei’Ras was not far behind, and a Tier’Dal Priestess lent support from the shadows . . . D’shar was her name. Now; fighting a Tier’Dal Agent of the Vampire Lord might not seem to be such a difficult task . . . Until you turn and look to see her very life slipping away, slowly dripping down her tunic and staining the ground. This unholy union of Rage and Wit, Chaos and Order . . . it sticks with you.

mesmerized; you see that Gara Tidyngs speaks of this with more than just a passing acquaintance with the issue

Zavo and her companions defended themselves well, but they could have never lasted on their own. Luckily; they prepared themselves, enlisting the aid of some of the greatest that Norrath offered. The battle Was bloody, and before they even had time to organize themselves into some semblance of order, forty had become twenty. The tide began to turn for the heroes when one of the young Half Elf Warriors discovered the Tier’Dal cleric D’shar hiding in a corner and quickly dispatched her. Without a healing force, the Tier’Dal had no hope for Victory this day.

Galendor fell almost immediately, and Khasra, badly wounded, stumbled backwards and uttered a few cryptic words.

What followed sent a chill throughout the bones of all who were there to witness, and these were battle-hardened veterans that have seen some of the worst that Norrath had to offer. Ya see, the shadows crept out from the very stones beneath her feet, reaching up to envelop the Tier’Dal woman, swallowing her into darkness.

Little did they know that while this was taking place, a dwarf rogue by the name of Kivgor Illbria had snuck into Vox’s Lair and had purloined the Shard. Loud and foul were the cries of anguish rumbling through the bowels of Permafrost when Vox discovered the Shard missing. Just as loud too were the cries of glee from Kivagor, taunting Vox for letting down her guard.

His luck failed him, though.

As he was about to make good his escape through the gates of the cavern, Kivgor ran headlong into Zavo’s group. Proud of his accomplishment, Kivgor waved the Shard before them, but his pride quickly turned to anguish when he discovered that this was the very Shard they were hunting.

He attempted to flee, but they caught him and challenged him for rightful ownership of the Shard. Badly outnumbered, Kivgor stood nay chance at all, but he still fought for the Shard. His Dying words echoed throughout the chamber . . .

“Fie on You, accursed Mistmoore! I fall in your favor, but now you be without your precious Trinket!”

Mistmoore, mentioned Twice now? What role could Mistmoore play in this Drama?

Ya see; Mayong Mistmoore was the bitter enemy of the Ring of Scale, and he wanted nothing more than to possess the Shard and thereby control access to the Plane of Sky.

With all due haste, Zavo’s group journeyed to the Rathe Mountains, where the final partitioning of the Veil was to take place. Surrounded by their mortal supporters, Zavo and her friends shed their illusions and stepped forward to reveal their true dragon nature. However, before Zavo could reveal herself, the sky was suddenly filled w’shadows, while faint laughter swirled through the rising wind. A harsh voice, filled w’hatred and disgust, echoed through the mountainsides:

”Children of Scale! You Shall Not Succeed this Night! I Will make sure of It!”
“For centuries you have evaded me. Now this will end. Everything you possess . . . Is but a waste.”

T’was the very voice of Mayong Mistmoore, challenging them for possession of the Shard.

Quickly, the mortals sprang for the defense of the Scale, but it was too late for the doomed party. One by one; Mistmoore’s cold vampiric touch enveloped them in a misty vapor, draining their life and strengthening his. Fighting valiantly, the mortals appeared to be on the verge of victory, when suddenly Mayong faded from view, eluding their attacks. The shadows quickly retreated back to the corners and stones from which they were issued, their tendrils rising in the air and the sound of a thousand shrieks echoing throughout the Mountains of Rathe.

As the shadows slithered from view; a voice was heard, faintly hissing these words of defeat:

”You have won this Day, Children of Scale . . . But it will not be the last battle that you will face. Rend your Veil and harness your powers, it shall do nothing for you. You shall All perish, dragon and mortal alike, and your corpses shall rot at my feet.”
For this I can assure you. Until that night comes, I bid thee a good morrow, and sleep well . . .

The voice trailed off into a sadistic laughter that hung within the air for what seemed like an eternity before fading into the wind.
Alas, Zavo mourned the loss of her beloved companions, cursing the name of Mistmoore. Determined to complete the quest which she had started; she called forward the human who had most distinguished himself into the battle. She asked him if he was ready for the final task, to die by the shard, spilling his blood upon the earth of Norrath so that the Veil would be sundered forever.

He paused not a moment before nodding in agreement.

After performing the sacrifice and resurrecting the hero, Zavo presented him w’the Shard, which became known thereafter as the Crystalline Claw of Veeshan. A mighty and powerful weapon.

Furthermore in the realms of the Scale was his act bravely sung.

Thus did the Veil of Veeshan become torn, and the realms of Mortals and Scale did mingle.

The Dragons of Norrath were once more restored in power and glory; a fitting position for the Ring of Scale.

Of the outcome of the battle between Mistmoore and the Ring of Scale, we can only guess. I am certain that the final pages of that Act have not been written.

from http://www.thesteelwarrior.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-1922.html

[Pyrocat]

Which gods were all represented in the plane of time? What was the name of the goddess of time and is she depicted on the clock of the world? Is Zeb and his machinations against the gods related anywhere?

Zeb is more or less the god of knowledge, and wants to share that knowledge, even when it goes against the will of every other God.

Druzzil Ro speaks with no movement of her mouth. Her thoughts flow through you, calming you as you begin to comprehend what she is trying to communicate to you.

Druzzil Ro speaks to your mind, 'Zebuxoruk, my student I cannot allow this to happen. If you were to escape from another prison the will and power of the gods will have been compromised.'

Zebuxoruk says, 'Druzzil, I have missed you. Wasn't it you that taught me in your own realm to seek knowledge and share it in all forms?'

Druzzil Ro speaks to your mind, 'That I did, but I also taught you not to share your wealth of knowledge if it would affect the fate of others. I cannot allow this to happen. I must set things back to how they were before you and these mortals arrived here, I believe that you cannot understand this and I am sorry.'

from the Plane of Time, after Quarm is defeated.

[Qaedain]

Right, and Druzzil Ro then rewound the timeline to a point that preceded the mortal invasion of the Planes of Power. This singular event created the timeline schism that permits EverQuest II to exist.

[Akame]

I feel like I've somehow reloaded Myst onto my computer.

[Akame]

Does this clock go counter clockwise?

[Qaedain]

The events on the clock do not appear to occur in a chronological order.

For example: the Rune of Sundering and the Rune of Vul were discovered at the same time, by Rikantus Everling, but they foretell events that happened not only very far apart, but in entirely different timelines. The Sundering of Luclin never happens in EverQuest 1's timeline, because it was avoided by Druzzil Ro's timeline reset. The Void, in contrast, is an element found in both EQ1 and EQ2, it is the Nothingness from which Norrath was formed by The Nameless. The Void is also home to the Shadow Men and Ashanti'sul, the former Prime Healer (who was succeeded by Rodcet).

[Akame]

Oh geez Duh, Innorruuk is represented in the center, it's just not the symbol I'm thinking it is. The arrow is both mayong (who I'm guessing was a Y'dal) and Innoruuk, since Y'dal were the first fruits of what he did create.

Edit: OK maybe newbish question, was Mayong the first Y'dal?

[Qaedain]

We now know definitively that the "dragon" symbol we attributed to Veeshan is Innoruuk. Each god has a particular firework in EverQuest, and each firework's inventory icon is a token emblazoned with the symbol of the god it honors. Both the symbol and the detonation for the Inny firework use this.

It is safe to say that it is not Veeshan, or Kerafyrm, or anything of the sort. We must now decided how that is important given that the symbol also resides with a symbol corresponding with Mistmoore, the weapons of the Nameless used to keep the gods in check, and the triumvirate of gods that seeded Norrath's first bipedal races.

[Akame]

The symbol could simply have more than one meaning.

[Akame]

The Rallos zek, prexus and tunare symbols on the fireworks I looked up do not match the symbols on the doomsday calendar.

[Cyrano]

Mixxit seemed to get giddy when you mentioned that the center image could be the embodiment of hate in a doomsday character such as Veeshan/Kerafyrm.

[Akame]

Yea I've been reading back through the thread now that I've had time today to actually try and figure out what the heck you were all doing, the poem and commentary from Dvinn is what got me thinking of other things. I'd most definitely say that the arrow symbol in the middle is mayongs, and that he's pivotal in this calendar (literally haha). Everything else I'm questioning piece by piece, esp that underfood and ratonga symbol, we have very little info on that one. but it came up somewhere in the pictures in this thread I'm just trying to find it again.

[Akame]

Also if you notice on like page 2 or 3 the water and nature symbols were switched, and the real symbol of Tunare was used instead of the seeds. So definitely prexus and tunare or at the very least, water and earth elements.

[Qaedain]

Here we go. The image below is the Chelsith stone. The prophesy below is from the Alliz Evol Ew, lizard men, from EverQuest 1:

The many worlds wrap around us like the smell of the swamp on our tongue. THe world with the five moons and the two moons are only real. The worlds that are not real do not exist until they do. The world of the shattered moon and the world of no moons and all moons do not exist. The Alliz Evol Ew know this. And we know they are real.

1) The world of the five moons refers to a time in distant past when Norrath had five moons. The Evol Ew say this Norrath was real in EQ1. Three of these moons merged into Norrath at some point. It's entirely possible the lizardmen refer to symbolic moons: Brell, Tunare and Prexus.

2) That leaves Norrath as the "world of two moons," Luclin and Drinal. That was the present day Norrath that the Lizardmen lived in when they made the prophecy. That is the Norrath we know from EverQuest 1.

3) The prophecy says the world of the "shattered moon" (Luclin) and the world of "no moons" "do not exist until they do." Druzzil Ro creates the timeline schism at the conclusion of the Plane of Time. This timeline schism created the timeline for EQ2, where Luclin impacts Norrath. Luclin's impact of Norrath is depicted with the small circle "merged" with Norrath. This circle is not entering OR exiting, it depicts a unity.

4) Finally, the Evol Ew speak of a world of NO moons that does not exist until it does. This again refers to EQ2's timeline. Drinal is the only moon left in EQ2, and four moons have previously impacted Norrath. We can conclude that Drinal will impact Norrath, the beginnings of which are symbolized by the cracks surrounding that circle on the stone, depicting that Drinal has begun to leave the sky.

Drinal is a neutral deity who represents the necessary end of the cycle of life

In conclusion: We can understand that the Chelsith Stone below demonstrates Norrath's end through Drinal's impact.

http://vnmedia.ign.com/screenshots/eq2/2718216.jpg

[Pyrocat]

The events on the clock do not appear to occur in a chronological order.

For example: the Rune of Sundering and the Rune of Vul were discovered at the same time, by Rikantus Everling, but they foretell events that happened not only very far apart, but in entirely different timelines. The Sundering of Luclin never happens in EverQuest 1's timeline, because it was avoided by Druzzil Ro's timeline reset. The Void, in contrast, is an element found in both EQ1 and EQ2, it is the Nothingness from which Norrath was formed by The Nameless. The Void is also home to the Shadow Men and Ashanti'sul, the former Prime Healer (who was succeeded by Rodcet).

Not necessarily. If you read the symbol counterclockwise (paying attention to only the symbols on the outside of the circle) it can read like a timeline.

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7078/onlyoutsiderunes.png

1. Age of Scale
2. Greenmist?
3. Ratong Symbol / Underfoot creatures
4. Rallosian Army
5. Combine Empire
6. Rune of Xulous
7. Symbol of the Void / Rune of Vul
8. Destruction of Luclin / Rune of Sundering

1. Age of Scale, time of the dragons, Veeshan deposits her brood onto Antonica.
2. Could represent the Greenmmist. I believe this event happened before the Combine Empire was formed and possibly even before the alliance of the ffour gods. Is there any history of Shissar interacting with the races created by the four gods?
3. Could represent Brell depositing his creatures onto the world and the alliance of the four gods.
4. Could represent the war of the Rallosian Army
5. Could represent the rise and fall of the Combine empire.
6. Seen everywhere in Erudin, as well as Mirgul's caverns. A warped version of this symbol is seen in Paineel. We could surmise this represents the Age of Enlightenment.
7. No clue.
8. The destruction of Luclin, definitely late in the timeline.

On the other hand, if you watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyRli9g8ZH4
the odd numbered Runes appear first, which could lead to this timeline instead.

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/6097/onlyoutsiderunestake2.png
1. Age of Scale, Veeshan Deposits her brood.
2. Alliance of the four gods, humanoid races created.
3. Combine empire rises and falls.
4. ???
5. Greenmist?
6. Rallosian army makes its conquest.
7. Age of Enlightment
8. Destruction of Luclin.


Thoughts?

[Akame]

So the three symbols inside the center circle are the moons that already impacted Norrath, the fourth, not entirely connected, is what will be Luclins impact, and the 5th, empty and with cracks are Drinal, and the symbol in the center is hatred, which is the driving force behind what caused it all, and the 4 symbols surrounding it are some original pantheon of gods?

[Phallax]

Here we go. The image below is the Chelsith stone. The prophesy below is from the Alliz Evol Ew, lizard men, from EverQuest 1:



1) The world of the five moons refers to a time in distant past when Norrath had five moons. The Evol Ew say this Norrath was real in EQ1. Three of these moons merged into Norrath at some point. It's entirely possible the lizardmen refer to symbolic moons: Brell, Tunare and Prexus.

2) That leaves Norrath as the "world of two moons," Luclin and Drinal. That was the present day Norrath that the Lizardmen lived in when they made the prophecy. That is the Norrath we know from EverQuest 1.

3) The prophecy says the world of the "shattered moon" (Luclin) and the world of "no moons" "do not exist until they do." Druzzil Ro creates the timeline schism at the conclusion of the Plane of Time. This timeline schism created the timeline for EQ2, where Luclin impacts Norrath. Luclin's impact of Norrath is depicted with the small circle "merged" with Norrath. This circle is not entering OR exiting, it depicts a unity.

4) Finally, the Evol Ew speak of a world of NO moons that does not exist until it does. This again refers to EQ2's timeline. Drinal is the only moon left in EQ2, and four moons have previously impacted Norrath. We can conclude that Drinal will impact Norrath, the beginnings of which are symbolized by the cracks surrounding that circle on the stone, depicting that Drinal has begun to leave the sky.

Drinal is a neutral deity who represents the necessary end of the cycle of life

In conclusion: We can understand that the Chelsith Stone below demonstrates Norrath's end through Drinal's impact.

http://vnmedia.ign.com/screenshots/eq2/2718216.jpg

I like your style, very well thought out.

[mixxit]

Fantastic Job!

As far as the GM events are concerned you can all stop now!

Congratulations on your hard work all :-)