Oowomp permanent despawned?

[tenkakahn]

Figures I finally get to level to 30 to kill them one at a time. Maybe it's because of the bard with the name start with B was having 4 people spam turn in gold for him while he was killing 50+ at once thanks!!

[Cecily]

Was an obvious exploit. I'm glad he's removed.

[TWDL_Prexus]

Can someone explain? Isn't Oowomp the hand in NPC for the Canni 2 quest?

[Ephi]

We've been removing him to keep people from exploiting until we can get it patched.

If someone needs him for a quest or otherwise, they should just petition ;) We will not be allowing people to gain exp off the skeletons for now, though.

[fishingme]

We've been removing him to keep people from exploiting until we can get it patched.

If someone needs him for a quest or otherwise, they should just petition ;) We will not be allowing people to gain exp off the skeletons for now, though.

um, suspend the people who are exploiting?

[Slave]

Seriously, just sit there invisible for a few days and ban the cheaters. There isn't enough of that going around.

[Ephi]

I'd prefer to just keep them from doing it, personally.

[Urbanzkopf]

what was even happening?

[Boilon]

sounds like a bard had some friends turn in 5g at a time spawning the skeletons at mass , and the bard would profit by swarm kiting all of them.

[fishingme]

I'd prefer to just keep them from doing it, personally.

at the expense of legitimate people trying to kill him? I do not understand why you do not feel comfortable with giving people who exploit a suspension.

[Crazyeye]

I remember when amelinda would suspend noobs in blackburrow with cloth armor for "exploiting the pathing"..

[Slave]

at the expense of legitimate people trying to kill him? I do not understand why you do not feel comfortable with giving people who exploit a suspension.

I thought this was basically the job description of Guide, along with helping people. And if it's not an exploit, then why despawn him?

[godlovesninjas]

I have never seen a community so quickly to rally for bannings and punishing the slightest malfeasance. I love it here.

[Slave]

Look, there's a big younger population out there right now and how you take care of business is going to reflect on how they behave later.

Do we want the next generation of high level characters to think it's ok to cheat until you remove the exploit, or do we want them in fear for their goddamn characters if they cheat?

[Bamzal Sherbet]

On live, to prevent bind rushing they implemented respawning with zero mana on pvp deaths. On P1999 red, to prevent bind rushing they implemented experience loss on pvp deaths.

Apply that same type of troubleshooting, critical thinking, planning, and foresight to this scenario, and instead of a logical fix, you have NPC deleted from the game.

Sometimes I wish i was paying a subscription fee, just so I could cancel it on you.

[fishingme]

I have never seen a community so quickly to rally for bannings and punishing the slightest malfeasance. I love it here.

Well, ya know, I suppose when you abide by the rules of the server and other people aren't and you know about it wouldn't you be a little bit disappointed also?

[godlovesninjas]

Oh I wasn't being sarcastic, I do genuinely love it. I love seeing a community that doesn't tolerate shit — especially when it's blatantly against the rules and goes unenforced. I would love to see a more strict enforcement of things.

I played a guide back on Live during Velious and for Live, things were pretty strict back then. I can tell you, I'd start right off with namechanges for about 30 characters I've already bumped into.

[SirAlvarex]

I have never seen a community so quickly to rally for bannings and punishing the slightest malfeasance. I love it here.

The GMs have set a precedence on banning people for breaking one of the rules. Whether good or bad, as long as you don't do something cool that you just found out about that isn't documented on Alla, then you should be fine.

*Insert joke about exploits being classic*

[Slave]

The GMs have set a precedence on banning people for breaking one of the rules.

That rule being 2-boxing.

Even people who have run intensely invasive and advantageous 3rd party programs as a matter of course, have gotten their accounts (full of illegitimate items) handed right back to them. Hundreds of these accounts.

It is one thing to ban people for 2-boxing.

It's something completely different when you then DON'T ban hackers and exploiters.

I don't know the exact rules for Guides but I suspect Ephi is either taking some liberty with them when he sees people exploiting, and his reaction is to remove the source of the exploit rather than punish the offenders, or has received instructions from the developers or Ambrotos. (Er, who is server GM now that Ambrotos has been deployed?)

[Itap]

The only reason the undead bard was an exploit is because he is perma rooted upon spawning, which means root rot classes didnt need to root to DoT/nuke

[Knuckle]

oh is that the only reason

[Itap]

oh is that the only reason

sounds like a bard had some friends turn in 5g at a time spawning the skeletons at mass , and the bard would profit by swarm kiting all of them.



If you would read, people were creating rumors because they are/were unsure of the actual exploit, I was just clarifying.

I wasn't insinuating that it wasn't an actual exploit or not a big deal.

[Ephi]

I don't know the exact rules for Guides but I suspect Ephi is either taking some liberty with them when he sees people exploiting, and his reaction is to remove the source of the exploit rather than punish the offenders, or has received instructions from the developers or Ambrotos. (Er, who is server GM now that Ambrotos has been deployed?)

Sirken has also removed Oowomp on occasion for the same reason.

And if people don't get the message that exploitation means punishment, well my ban button will work just fine later too.

Everybody wants heads to roll lately. This whole thread is a bit sad, honestly. Trust me, they're rolling anyway.

[Handull]

is spawning/killing the skele for exp an exploit, or is it only an exploit if you abuse the perma-root feature?

[Itap]

is spawning/killing the skele for exp an exploit, or is it only an exploit if you abuse the perma-root feature?

Abusing the perma-root is the exploit, I would assume. On live, you can spawn the bard all day and kill for xp, he just wasnt rooted.

[Slave]

Sirken has also removed Oowomp on occasion for the same reason.

And if people don't get the message that exploitation means punishment, well my ban button will work just fine later too.

Everybody wants heads to roll lately. This whole thread is a bit sad, honestly. Trust me, they're rolling anyway.

Everybody wants heads to roll, because there is a (well-earned) perceived softness in the developers when it comes to exploiters on P99.

We are going to be talking about the Great Wrist Slap of 2011 forever. Get used to it.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

at the expense of legitimate people trying to kill him? I do not understand why you do not feel comfortable with giving people who exploit a suspension.

do you realize how much the overhead is on an internet cafe? Thought so. The entire server economy depends on this one cafe in Seoul called "Vintage America Yeah Fuck!" and most the machines run p99. It generates the plat and pl'ing.

Ask Tomtee. He's the manager. Pull the plug on VAF!, the velocity of plat on the server drops to zero overnight.

[Itap]

Everybody wants heads to roll, because there is a (well-earned) perceived softness in the developers when it comes to exploiters on P99.

We are going to be talking about the Great Wrist Slap of 2011 forever. Get used to it.

Nice, thanks for the new sig

[fishingme]

Sirken has also removed Oowomp on occasion for the same reason.

This, is why i don't believe this


And if people don't get the message that exploitation means punishment, well my ban button will work just fine later too.

Everybody wants heads to roll lately. This whole thread is a bit sad, honestly. Trust me, they're rolling anyway.

I think if you guys were serious about this exploit and any future exploits then you would suspend, you don't even need to give them a long suspension. Just something to let them know "hey, you screwed up for repeatedly using an exploit. You get a 3 hour suspension now, and if you do it again you're getting a 24 hour suspension."

[formallydickman]

Everybody wants heads to roll, because there is a (well-earned) perceived softness in the developers when it comes to exploiters on P99.

We are going to be talking about the Great Wrist Slap of 2011 forever. Get used to it.

qft

[Tarathiel]

how does nilbog feel about this? im sure he would nerf the player not the npc, exploiting is exploiting. bring down the hammer!

[Eros]

Removing the NPC shouldn't be necessary, a post and global message(preferably when they login) stating that it is illegal to do so should suffice. This is unless it is blatantly obvious that it is an exploit to begin with in which case all exploiters should be subject to suspension or ban depending on the severity of the exploit. Those that have done this before (knowingly exploited) before should be permanently ban. If anyone would exploit it after it has been stating should just be banned.
If our views of a certain individual would depend only on the presence of a good conscience - be it hidden and oppressed beyond recovery - we might as well all start worshipping Satan now. It is the way a person presents himself to the world that determines the people's perception of that particular individual. As long as they present themselves as individuals that are willingly open to exploiting the game to their advantage, people will continue to treat them accordingly.

People are highly resistant to critique. A highly compromised integrity is the result. They think "IF I BELIEVE IT, IT IS TRUE". Unfortunately, what you think and what is are two very different things.

[Auvdar]

This server used to have good GM's, that weren't afraid to suspend/ban people for obvious exploiting..

Bring back Bort IMO!

[Bamzal Sherbet]

i got perma banned for defending my aligator spawn in CT once. And now a days if I see anyone around me, I just offer them the mobs that I am killing.

[gotrocks]

Just something to let them know "hey, you screwed up for repeatedly using an exploit. You get a 3 hour suspension now, and if you do it again you're getting a 24 hour suspension."

agree with this 100%.

sends a very clear message without alienating a player. I partially agree with ephi, we shouldn't just be outright banhammering people permanently for small screwups, but I do believe a short suspension is in order to let people know, hey, knock it the fuck off.

[webrunner5]

Hey... you have to give the guy some credit for figuring out how to exploit it. :cool:

[Swish]

agree with this 100%.

sends a very clear message without alienating a player. I partially agree with ephi, we shouldn't just be outright banhammering people permanently for small screwups, but I do believe a short suspension is in order to let people know, hey, knock it the fuck off.

Surely a minimum of 24 hours for any suspension? Don't go for British justice.

[fishingme]

Surely a minimum of 24 hours for any suspension? Don't go for British justice.

Gotta roll with the british justice because heaven forbid any cheater/exploiter get banned.

[Furniture]

24 hours is nothing, should be more like a week or two minimum

[Swish]

24 hours is nothing, should be more like a week or two minimum

...which is a good point. How about some concrete rules on this kind of thing?

Set something fixed. Monthly ban? Perma ban? Put a list up, and people can't say they weren't warned of the consequences.

[Ouzin]

We've been removing him to keep people from exploiting until we can get it patched.

If someone needs him for a quest or otherwise, they should just petition ;) We will not be allowing people to gain exp off the skeletons for now, though.


Currently in TD waiting for a /petition to be handled for Canni2. What a pita.

[Jindaru]

^^^^^^ Spell Please!

[AexDestroy]

To me the obvious fix here is to simply make this spawn just like the Slaythe camp in Misty. Make the skeleton a unique spawn, and just dont let people summon a bajillion of them for aoe grinding. No need to take him out of the game.

[Jindaru]

Going on like 12 hours now with no canni2. /cry

[Ephi]

Yeah alright, done fighting you guys ;)

Oowomp reset.

[Brut]

http://i46.tinypic.com/2qbx7vd.png

[tenkakahn]

OMG time to go level again!!! Anyone spare some gold??

[Ephi]

People found exploiting this will be hit hard, just like they have been (despite the assumptions of many posters in this thread, who have zero clue what they are talking about, as usual).

[Otur]

I remember when amelinda would suspend noobs in blackburrow with cloth armor for "exploiting the pathing"..

I remember Amelinda taking bribes and cocks, in return for pixels.

[Ouzin]

Oustanding, finally got the spell

[Slave]

People found exploiting this will be hit hard, just like they have been (despite the assumptions of many posters in this thread, who have zero clue what they are talking about, as usual).

Hey dude remember that time like about a year ago when about 300 accounts were found to be using invasive third party programs, and they didn't ban them? We do.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance; we'll be watching.

[Kassel]

an exploiter left unbanned is an exploiter condoned.

[Sundawg]

spawning the skeletons at mass.

This was a bug.

Fixed, pending update.

[Rovas]

Thank god this exploit will be removed. I have got in to countless arguments with idiots who think spawning as many rooted skellies as they want, that don't attack, is fine. It was clearly put there for a single spawn in, for a quest. Not for a group of tards to sit around and spawn in 10 at a time and get level up with only the loss of arrows/mana. No risk it goes against everything EQ is.

GTFO l2lvl

Great call staff! :D

[Bamzal Sherbet]

This was a bug.

Fixed, pending update.

Thanks Sundawg, Expansion, err Faction, err Full patched Dev!