TMO's endless suspensions (no big deal they buy plenty of accounts)

[Metallikus]

Taken from Raid Play Nice Policy by Rogaen (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=14667):

Q: What if our raid is disrupted? What if our raid interferes with another raid?
A: Any non-consensual disturbance or meddling from a raid which leads to another raid being disrupted will result in very harsh punishments. Anyone involved in disruptions will be banned for 1 week with possible action against their guild's leadership. Second offenses will be 2 weeks. Further offenses will be permanent. It is the responsibility of the raid leaders to control their members. We strongly suggest that you avoid other raids while in a zone.

Taken from the Raid Rule FAQ by Sirken (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79642):

Q: What if our raid is disrupted? What if our raid interferes with another raid?
A: You may petition in game and if a staff member is available we will be more than happy to show up and evaluate the situation as it occurs. If a staff member is unavailable then please feel free to submit your petition under petitions/exploits on the forums at www.project1999.org. please be sure to include all relevant fraps & screenshots that you feel build your case. Players are not permitted to take the law into their own hands. You are not batman and two wrongs do not make a right, therefore killstealing or general douchebaggery are not permitted under any circumstances. ever.
.
.
.

The GMs are not even punishing the guild anymore for infractions. They are only doing one week suspensions for individual accounts when someone violates the rules and disrupts a raid. This is getting ridiculous. TMO directly benefits when individuals from their guild disrupt raids of the other guilds. WHy would the juggernaught guild care if one or two of their accounts are sacrificed to keep their guild winning every target? They don't care, they keep the cash flow by buying accounts with the money they get from selling the raid loot they aquire from winning.

TMO HABITUALLY VIOLATES THE RAID RULES AND RAID PLAY NICE POLICY. WHERE IS THE JUSTICE?

What message are the GMs sending when the rules are not enforced?

[Safon]

Oh lawd

[quido]

Doesn't matter how clean we are - you will always cry because you suck.

[Metallikus]

Doesn't matter how clean we are - you will always cry because you suck.

You have had over ten accounts suspended in the last month for raid disruptions yet the TMO spin wagon keeps rolling. SURE your clean.

[fullmetalcoxman]

You have had over ten accounts suspended in the last month for raid disruptions yet the TMO spin wagon keeps rolling. SURE your clean.

Proof?

[Servellious]

Pruf?????

On another note it was funny seeing crappyfeet/Abraham trying to train us at king camp in seb and kill himself. It's almost like he knew king had a fungi

[Ephi]

The GMs are not even punishing the guild anymore for infractions. They are only doing one week suspensions for individual accounts when someone violates the rules and disrupts a raid. This is getting ridiculous. TMO directly benefits when individuals from their guild disrupt raids of the other guilds. WHy would the juggernaught guild care if one or two of their accounts are sacrificed to keep their guild winning every target? They don't care, they keep the cash flow by buying accounts with the money they get from selling the raid loot they aquire from winning.

TMO HABITUALLY VIOLATES THE RAID RULES AND RAID PLAY NICE POLICY. WHERE IS THE JUSTICE?

What message are the GMs sending when the rules are not enforced?

Well first off the rules you referred to above are not really the rules that were violated today, which is what I'm assuming you are referring to. Perhaps indirectly, but not entirely true. If a raid target is up, you better expect competition.

Second, we enforce the rules, we take actions. In the past actions were taken against entire guilds and guild leadership, perhaps at times prematurely. This can still be the case, but only in extreme circumstances. Each situation is judged on its own merit, the disciplinary actions discussed with multiple staff members, and appropriate actions taken.

Third, no matter what actions we take, Guild A (violating guild) says they're too harsh, Guild B (victim guild) says they aren't harsh enough. Honestly, we all need to take a step back and investigate ourselves, our motives, and what we want for the Project 1999 server and community. Is it guild drama, loot whoring, and harsh punishment for crimes committed? Or do we want to foster a better game, communicate with each other, and move the server forward in a better way?

The point of staff disciplinary action is not to remove those responsible from the game, and certainly not to remove those indirectly associated. Not in any way is it about that. It's about teaching people that they are doing something wrong, so that they can correct it, redeem their name, and hopefully make the server a better place in the future. At times, they fail to do that, and that's where permanent bans usually sit (as well as some other one-off circumstances).

The point is, it's a long road, and it's not always easy to interpret staff rules, especially during heated races. It's our job to clarify them as much as possible, make sure people understand them, not make mistakes in enforcing them (we're human), and refine them to fit the vision that the owners of the server see for it.

Sorry you feel violated for whatever has occurred today or in the past. We're all working pretty hard at trying to create a better future for the server, even though at times it may not seem that way.

Edit: I edit a lot. Get over it.

[Metallikus]

Proof?

Like do you want the message from the gm saying it or did u want logs of tmo members admitting it or just the pure absence of characters in game (sentenza, wistie, fazlazen, aalpha, fauss, 3 undisclosed accounts according to gm from fear trains a week ago).

[Itap]

On another note it was funny seeing crappyfeet/Abraham trying to train us at king camp in seb and kill himself. It's almost like he knew king had a fungi

I feel like this is implying third party program use...:cool:

[quido]

Did that clown Chest ever end up taking up Fauss on his offer to appear in game?

[Metallikus]

Well first off the rules you referred to above are not really the rules that were violated today, which is what I'm assuming you are referring to. Perhaps indirectly, but not entirely true. If a raid target is up, you better expect competition.

Second, we enforce the rules, we take actions. In the past actions were taken against entire guilds and guild leadership, perhaps at times prematurely. This can still be the case, but only in extreme circumstances. Each situation is judged on its own merit, the disciplinary actions discussed with multiple staff members, and appropriate actions taken.

Third, no matter what actions we take, Guild A (violating guild) says they're too harsh, Guild B (victim guild) says they aren't harsh enough. Honestly, we all need to take a step back and investigate ourselves, our motives, and what we want for the Project 1999 server and community. Is it guild drama, loot whoring, and harsh punishment for minor crimes? Or do we want to foster a better game, communicate with each other, and move the server forward in a better way?

The point of staff disciplinary action is not to remove those responsible from the game. Not in any way is it about that. It's about teaching people that they are doing something wrong, so that they can correct it, redeem their name, and hopefully make the server a better place in the future. At times, they fail to do that, and that's where permanent bans usually sit (as well as some other one-off circumstances).

The point is, it's a long road, and it's not always easy to interpret staff rules, especially during heated races. It's our job to clarify them as much as possible, make sure people understand them, not make mistakes in enforcing them (we're human), and refine them to fit the vision that the owners of the server see for it.

Sorry you feel violated for whatever has occurred today or in the past. We're all working pretty hard at trying to create a better future for the server, even though at times it may not seem that way.

That would be a fair and reasonable response if the entire server wasnt tainted by violation after violation by one guild in particular on a consistent basis with almost no restitution or recall.

[quido]

Big words for a pint-sized intellect there!

[Ephi]

Big words for a pint-sized intellect there!

Is that a halfling joke?

/target Jeremy
#permarace 11

[Ele]

SURE your clean.

you're*

[Ele]

Is that a halfling joke?

/target Jeremy
#permarace 11

Please do this to all my characters.

[quido]

lol

[Yajirobe Yajipants]

Not 5 minutes after the resulting ban, the violating player's well known alt was online as well. Banned from just playing the monk for a week?

[fullmetalcoxman]

Like do you want the message from the gm saying it or did u want logs of tmo members admitting it or just the pure absence of characters in game (sentenza, wistie, fazlazen, aalpha, fauss, 3 undisclosed accounts according to gm from fear trains a week ago).

Sure, the message from the GM saying TMO has had 10 accounts banned in the last month for raid disruption would work. Or the logs of TMO admitting to it, either would work.

[Yajirobe Yajipants]

Sure, the message from the GM saying TMO has had 10 accounts banned in the last month for raid disruption would work. Or the logs of TMO admitting to it, either would work.

There's not going to be a single message where a GM would recount the suspensions. Just like TMO wouldn't admit to all of it...if at all. They still refute that Fauss was banned.

[Fountree]

People, can we just please stop crying already? New content will erase most of Metallikus and other affected parties' tears. Also, 99% of people don't care and respect the players of TMO. I don't go around shit talking FE or BDA every chance I get. But I can understand the anger. I can understand it bubbling inside you from losing year+ of mobs...please try to put server peace over your own selfish motives already?

[Yajirobe Yajipants]

Crying=publicly speaking of the consistent rules violations by TMO and changes to rules and/or interpretations by staff. Clearly, new content negates playing by the rules it would seem.

It's also not talking shit when it's truth. TMO had a guy violate a raid rule today and he got suspended. It happened a few days ago, too. And again not long before that. FE and BDA don't really have that issue.

[Aata]

No it's crying and it's getting boring!

[quido]

Haha I'm just curious why you people are all so convinced that Fauss is banned - the dude has disappeared before for extended periods of time (not from disciplinary action). If you knew the guy you'd know that he's probably about the last person in TMO at risk of being suspended/banned. Every time I have suggested something even slightly reprehensible, usually while completely joking, he would take a serious stance against it.

[Fountree]

Yes, actually FE/BDA do have issues with violating the server rules. Difference is, TMO doesn't petition it most of the time. Many raid encounters are volatile and have multiple guilds participating, and things happen through a combination of factors, not just the fault of TMO. You are not only guilty of oversimplifying the situation here, but you're also guilty of taunting the staff and thinking that you need to enforce some sort of "vigilante justice" here when this is really a GM issue at the end of the day...

[Yajirobe Yajipants]

I don't see any taunting of staff. More like pointing out of the constant redrawing of the line in the sand. TMO instantly pushes the issue when they see/have something, it's just the frequency of rules violations is far less than TMO. Two Inny's ago, we were hit up pretty quickly from TMO w/ fraps over an FE train.

To deny that there are more rules violations on TMO's behalf is just naive. At least attribute it to more raiders present for any given target and thus more chances for (at the very least) an accidental violation.

[Servellious]

No it's crying and it's getting boring!

When your guild starts attempting some of these encounters and runs into these situations you may edit this post.

On another side note, why is it such a crime to publicly show who has been banned so people can see who are idiots/assholes on the server. Little transparency would sweet.

[Yajirobe Yajipants]

By all means, please petition us for every rule violation that we do. Either it won't result in much (because we don't give amnesty to rule breakers) or we get rid of troublesome members.

[arsenalpow]

Please list the BDA members that have been suspended for raid interference / training:

Culprit at Fay a long ass time ago


Please list the TMO member that have been suspended for raid interference / training:
Sentenza and his alts at least 3 times that I know of
Aalpha
Fauss (jk, hi Fauss!)
3 unnamed members from fear a couple weeks ago

Anyone else feel like filling in some gaps?

[Yajirobe Yajipants]

You forgot Anthrax.

[Jarnauga]

http://i.imgur.com/9ztO2.png

[Dagner]

Yawn

I've seen this same thing by *insert person's name here* about *insert guild here* for the past 3 years. Once you get better and start getting mobs/loot, then your competition/server will start the same shit threads/complaining about you.

Most of us are just trying to have a good time. We aren't doing anything malicious.

Just play the game

[Ele]

You forgot Anthrax.

lol

[kenzar]

That is a terrible misuse of that meme. You arent welcome on the internets anymore. Have your things out by midnight.

[Metallikus]

No reason to move this to RNF

To quote Sirken: "im pretty sure theres a difference between flaming and pointing out glaring facts asking honest questions."

[Yajirobe Yajipants]

Were you guys there when TMO got washed out of the GM pvp event?

http://i.imgur.com/2QGqR.jpg

[fullmetalcoxman]

Like do you want the message from the gm saying it or did u want logs of tmo members admitting it or just the pure absence of characters in game (sentenza, wistie, fazlazen, aalpha, fauss, 3 undisclosed accounts according to gm from fear trains a week ago).


No reason to move this to RNF

To quote Sirken: "im pretty sure theres a difference between flaming and pointing out glaring facts asking honest questions."

Still waiting on the GM messages and admissions of guilt.

[Yajirobe Yajipants]

Still waiting on the GM messages and admissions of guilt.

I think the admissions are stuck in line behind OJ.

[fullmetalcoxman]

I think the admissions are stuck in line behind OJ.

Then why did metallikus ask if I wanted to see them?

[Alarti0001]

That would be a fair and reasonable response if the entire server wasnt tainted by violation after violation by one guild in particular on a consistent basis with almost no restitution or recall.

You're a joke.

[Kaino]

http://i.imgur.com/9ztO2.png

This is a fucking awful use of meme, you should be ashamed.

If you're going to do it, do it right.

[IMG]http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k482/Phototurtle/Sirken.jpg[

[Kaino]

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k482/Phototurtle/Sirken.jpg

fucking RnF

[Itap]

This is a fucking awful use of meme, you should be ashamed.

If you're going to do it, do it right.

[IMG]http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k482/Phototurtle/Sirken.jpg[

quoted for failure

[quido]

Were you guys there when TMO got washed out of the GM pvp event?

http://i.imgur.com/2QGqR.jpg

Remember that time BDA claimed the arena talked trash after a botb because most of TMO didn't bother to show and then got their shit pushed in the next time? We can do it again if you like.

[Yajirobe Yajipants]

Then why did metallikus ask if I wanted to see them?

Why does Anthrax do things like ninja loot rotting VP gear? Shit, I don't know. He's Anthrax and I love him.

No, Jeremy. I don't remember that. I wasn't there for that. I was eating dicktaters. A whole pan of dicktaters.

[quido]

I remember it. BDA was so proud for a day or two.

[Tarathiel]

tmo is corrupt, we know this, we've known this. nothing is going to change it, the staff has made it quite clear as to how they feel about TMO's shenanigans. we can either deal with it, or not play on the server. lately, ive been leaning more towards the latter. theres plenty of other fun games out there that dont require me to wake up at 3am to compete for 13 year old pixels with a bunch of spoiled fat nerds whose mothers never taught them value of sharing. what ev tho, i still love the forum as it provides endless entertainment with almost no effort.

[agdros]

Were you guys there when TMO got washed out of the GM pvp event?

http://i.imgur.com/2QGqR.jpg

I am offended that I was not on your list.
I guess I have not done anything to warrant attention or QQ from anyone yet.

As for this event, rez'ing in the arena was not allowed, entering the arena after the start was not allowed, and logging in or out inside arena was not allowed.
If we cared, there are people who could produce logs showing several people dying a couple of times.
It was a fun event but, bragging or crying about it or anything else does not get you loot that you did not earn.

As for the training events that occur in Fear frequently: Peeling a Raid target out of another guild's trash train with insufficient numbers is probably the best way to wipe your raid force. Just an FYI.

[Metallikus]

As for the training events that occur in Fear frequently: Peeling a Raid target out of another guild's trash train with insufficient numbers is probably the best way to wipe your raid force. Just an FYI.


Training around raid targets in your trash trains is a violation.

from the raid rules faq:
"Q: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited or occupied?
A: It is against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership."

If your guy is training around trash mobs he is responsible for that train and cannot dump it on another player just because he feels like it.

From Rogaen's Global Server Rules:
"Training
Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location. The most basic form of this is "dumping" mobs near another player or party and escaping via a form of teleportation or death. Intentional or not, this is against the rules. This rule is not limited to the basic example given, as there are many different forms of training players will use. You take all responsibility for mobs that you aggro. If you are trying to escape from a pack of NPC's but there is another group in your way, do not run through them. Even if your intention is not to train them, it would inevitable cause this and you may be subject to disciplinary. It is recommended that you take the death (Your responsibility for aggroing the mobs) and request a resurrection from nearby players.

If you happen to accidentally train a group of players, please immedietely notify the staff via /petition that you have done so by accident. Apologize to the players in question, and assist them with any recovery needed. If the staff hears about your train before you tell them, intention is no longer an excuse. (Repeated unintentional trains will still result in disciplinary action)."

[Doors]

It's not a matter of skill, TMO just has more basement dwelling unemployed members that can log on anytime needed.

[cyryllis]

sorry that you are having a hard time understanding the rules.

So TMO creates a kite so that they can zone in safely, and are seconds from tagging draco when all of the sudden BDA runs past aggros it- runs it around for quite a while with THREE (3) people in zone (obviously insufficient force) while they wait for more to get to the zone. Pretty sure what you guys did was against the rules by training and claiming FTE with non-existent raid force waiting.

So you guys get mad that TMO didnt control the rest of the zone for you? Would you like some more hand holding or you think maybe you can stand on your own two feet for once?

According to your logic, we are NEVER allowed to die in fear with mobs on us. EVER- you heard it here first guys. By tagging draco, you acquired aggro of the kite by social aggro rules and despite the fact that Aalpha died on the other side of the zone, you will claim that he was intentionally training you?

More like if you are going to try and leapfrog a guild, be prepared to deal with the adds that are associated with the pull you are attempting to do. If tmo wasnt there controlling that kite, you would have absolutely zero chance of getting the kill.


thaaaanks tmo

[Metallikus]

This isn't nam, there are rules. Supposedly enforceable. Word is on the street though that Rogaen himself has put restrictions on the GMs to not punish TMO as an entity because it might interfere with "business as usual" ... whatever that means.

[Lostprophets]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/33001570.jpg

[Tarathiel]

sorry that you are having a hard time understanding the rules.

So TMO creates a kite so that they can zone in safely, and are seconds from tagging draco when all of the sudden BDA runs past aggros it- runs it around for quite a while with THREE (3) people in zone (obviously insufficient force) while they wait for more to get to the zone. Pretty sure what you guys did was against the rules by training and claiming FTE with non-existent raid force waiting.

So you guys get mad that TMO didnt control the rest of the zone for you? Would you like some more hand holding or you think maybe you can stand on your own two feet for once?

According to your logic, we are NEVER allowed to die in fear with mobs on us. EVER- you heard it here first guys. By tagging draco, you acquired aggro of the kite by social aggro rules and despite the fact that Aalpha died on the other side of the zone, you will claim that he was intentionally training you?

More like if you are going to try and leapfrog a guild, be prepared to deal with the adds that are associated with the pull you are attempting to do. If tmo wasnt there controlling that kite, you would have absolutely zero chance of getting the kill.


thaaaanks tmo

the fact that this kind of dickery happens on either side is just sad and pathetic and every reason why i dont raid on p99 anymore. if i wanted a pvp server id go play with 5 people boxing on red.

tl:dr?? cant we all just get a bong?

[bluejam]

tmo is corrupt, we know this, we've known this. nothing is going to change it, the staff has made it quite clear as to how they feel about TMO's shenanigans. we can either deal with it, or not play on the server. lately, ive been leaning more towards the latter. theres plenty of other fun games out there that dont require me to wake up at 3am to compete for 13 year old pixels with a bunch of spoiled fat nerds whose mothers never taught them value of sharing. what ev tho, i still love the forum as it provides endless entertainment with almost no effort.
EQ endgame has always been cutthroat. Not sure why people expected it to be different on this server emulating "13 year old pixels". It basicly attracts two kinds of people: casual players who want to reexperience the nostalgia of hardcore MMORPGs and the powergamer who strives for competition. Dunno why that's so hard to understand.
We've seen the same discussions since the inception of the server, just exchange guild and players names with xyz and they're identical. You will NOT change the way other players decide to play this game or on this Emu. No one has the right to demand that, even if you think you're treated unfairly (wake up, life sucks). Either wait until Velious and see if it'll change anything (TMO will lose interest in 95% of Kunark and 99% of Classic I assume) or quit your job or w/e to free up more time so you can slay pixels or leave the server.
We've had the similar accusations and rants thrown at TR/IB when we were still around. I can honestly say that I have no idea if all of them were false, but most were plain bullshit, entertained by haters and players who did not share the mentality of high end raiding. Again. You can't dictate how others enjoy the game. I played on The Rathe and raid targets were rotated, minus the really end game mobs. I didn't understand competitive raiding until I experienced it here, on P99. The essential questions the powergamer asks himself are following: how much can we actually pull off? How many targets can we clear? It's a simple numbers game. It requires dedication and stamina. Especially here, with the variance bullshit and constant tracking.
Of course you can argue that TMO has been slaying target_xy for 1-2 years now and they don't need the gear anymore or are equipping their alts with dragon loot. Well, you could construe that has another "top-raiding" tactic. Since this server is already big on pre-buffing and -camping, wouldn't it make sense to go one step further and park multiple chars at multiple targets? Whether or not you classify this as "good" or "bad" doesn't matter. Personally I think it's a terrible development (e.g. Trak ledge, lawl), but as long as it ensures a win...
How about, instead of constantly bitching without any results, launching a counter-offensive? You know what DA did shortly after Kunark when they couldn't field enough players anymore? They merged with the -then- casual TMO and deployed mass numbers which eventually got them their kills. If multiple guilds are not capable of working together against a "common foe", how do you expect to survive on your own? Maybe instead of 4-5 guilds going for Inny, it should maybe be TMO vs. one raid alliance? I'm pretty sure this has been thrown around before, but apparently it's not appealing either, so the general consensus is: activate carebear and rotate? Well yea, see above. Not taking any sides here btw. Just explaining. :)

Won't comment any shitty behaviour by suspended players or staff decisions or w/e as I'm not in the current raid loop anyhow.

[bluejam]

^
addition: no doubt there're shady tactics used whenever deemed "necessary".

[Jarnauga]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/33001570.jpg

someone draw a dick on his face plz kthxbye

[Yajirobe Yajipants]

Lol @ Lostprophets. Too busy pushing out core guild members Taken to attempt regular engages to even understand how the p99 endgame is.

[Chedduh]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/33001570.jpg

Lol @ Lostprophets. Too busy pushing out core guild members Taken to attempt regular engages to even understand how the p99 endgame is.

Too busy idolizing child molesters to create funny meme's

[agdros]

Training around raid targets in your trash trains is a violation.

So you want the zone cleared or partially cleared before a raid target can be engaged? TMO is not the only guild to use this strategy and it would be ridiculous to insinuate otherwise.

[Dagner]

EQ endgame has always been cutthroat. Not sure why people expected it to be different on this server emulating "13 year old pixels". It basicly attracts two kinds of people: casual players who want to reexperience the nostalgia of hardcore MMORPGs and the powergamer who strives for competition. Dunno why that's so hard to understand.
We've seen the same discussions since the inception of the server, just exchange guild and players names with xyz and they're identical. You will NOT change the way other players decide to play this game or on this Emu. No one has the right to demand that, even if you think you're treated unfairly (wake up, life sucks). Either wait until Velious and see if it'll change anything (TMO will lose interest in 95% of Kunark and 99% of Classic I assume) or quit your job or w/e to free up more time so you can slay pixels or leave the server.
We've had the similar accusations and rants thrown at TR/IB when we were still around. I can honestly say that I have no idea if all of them were false, but most were plain bullshit, entertained by haters and players who did not share the mentality of high end raiding. Again. You can't dictate how others enjoy the game. I played on The Rathe and raid targets were rotated, minus the really end game mobs. I didn't understand competitive raiding until I experienced it here, on P99. The essential questions the powergamer asks himself are following: how much can we actually pull off? How many targets can we clear? It's a simple numbers game. It requires dedication and stamina. Especially here, with the variance bullshit and constant tracking.
Of course you can argue that TMO has been slaying target_xy for 1-2 years now and they don't need the gear anymore or are equipping their alts with dragon loot. Well, you could construe that has another "top-raiding" tactic. Since this server is already big on pre-buffing and -camping, wouldn't it make sense to go one step further and park multiple chars at multiple targets? Whether or not you classify this as "good" or "bad" doesn't matter. Personally I think it's a terrible development (e.g. Trak ledge, lawl), but as long as it ensures a win...
How about, instead of constantly bitching without any results, launching a counter-offensive? You know what DA did shortly after Kunark when they couldn't field enough players anymore? They merged with the -then- casual TMO and deployed mass numbers which eventually got them their kills. If multiple guilds are not capable of working together against a "common foe", how do you expect to survive on your own? Maybe instead of 4-5 guilds going for Inny, it should maybe be TMO vs. one raid alliance? I'm pretty sure this has been thrown around before, but apparently it's not appealing either, so the general consensus is: activate carebear and rotate? Well yea, see above. Not taking any sides here btw. Just explaining. :)

Won't comment any shitty behaviour by suspended players or staff decisions or w/e as I'm not in the current raid loop anyhow.

omg someone in this thread gets it, perhaps more will follow

[Metallikus]

So you want the zone cleared or partially cleared before a raid target can be engaged? TMO is not the only guild to use this strategy and it would be ridiculous to insinuate otherwise.

heaven forbid you have to clear a couple mobs before u engage a raid target rather than kite everything around and dump the train on other guilds competing for the target. It is clearly stated in the rules to not kite raid targets. You get agro on a raid target, you take it to your raid immediately.

[arsenalpow]

let's get the facts straight everyone

TMO zones in first, skatman is kiting - he dies

TMO monks pick up the kite - aalpha, yapas, and someone else i can't remember atm

Arconis zones in, TMO monks flop the train onto him, we tag draco at the back of the pack and coth arconis away from the dastardly train

mobs come back to eat the bad TMO monks that don't know how to sneak off aggro

TMO trains BDA mid draco attempt

TMO zones in their 2nd wave of zerg and downs draco



SPIN HARDER

[Doors]

TMO has been shitting this server up for awhile now. Keep buffing noobs though, gotta get people thinking the right idea before they hit 50 plus attempt a raid and eat a fear train you drop on them because their guild tagged a raid mob before you managed to.

EQ = skill lol jk

[Eccezan]

let's get the facts straight everyone

TMO zones in first, skatman is kiting - he dies

TMO monks pick up the kite - aalpha, yapas, and someone else i can't remember atm

Arconis zones in, TMO monks flop the train onto him, we tag draco at the back of the pack and coth arconis away from the dastardly train

mobs come back to eat the bad TMO monks that don't know how to sneak off aggro

TMO trains BDA mid draco attempt

TMO zones in their 2nd wave of zerg and downs draco



SPIN HARDER

close...let me fix this for you buddy.

Idiot BDA monk tags draco at the back of the pack and coth arconis away from the trash mobs

Mobs come back to eat the terrible BDA monk that forgot to/failed @ sneak pulling

BDA trains themselves (In BDA Fashion) mid draco attempt

TMO logs back in and kills Draco unhindered

BDA QQ's TO GM's because mad bad fat.





Why always so mad, bad, fat Chest?

[Tarathiel]

let's get the facts straight everyone

TMO zones in first, skatman is kiting - he dies

TMO monks pick up the kite - aalpha, yapas, and someone else i can't remember atm

Arconis zones in, TMO monks flop the train onto him, we tag draco at the back of the pack and coth arconis away from the dastardly train

mobs come back to eat the bad TMO monks that don't know how to sneak off aggro

TMO trains BDA mid draco attempt

TMO zones in their 2nd wave of zerg and downs draco

TMO sells RMT's loot to pay for Zeelots domestic violence classes



SPIN HARDER

ftfy chest, you left out the most important part

[Ele]

This isn't nam, there are rules. Supposedly enforceable. Word is on the street though that Rogaen himself has put restrictions on the GMs to not punish TMO as an entity because it might interfere with "business as usual" ... whatever that means.

Can't make a statement like that without evidence bro. Names, SSs, logs?

[Ele]

let's get the facts straight everyone

TMO zones in first, skatman is kiting - he dies

TMO monks pick up the kite - aalpha, yapas, and someone else i can't remember atm

Arconis zones in, TMO monks flop the train onto him, we tag draco at the back of the pack and coth arconis away from the dastardly train

mobs come back to eat the bad TMO monks that don't know how to sneak off aggro

TMO trains BDA mid draco attempt

TMO zones in their 2nd wave of zerg and downs draco



SPIN HARDER

lol, Skatman was in the last port to the raid after you guys had the trains going around and zoned in well after you guys wiped.

[Lostprophets]

Same Shit, Different Thread.

I understand that BDA is a bunch of broken record cry babies that belong on EQMac, Not P99.

Can't get mobs? Blame TMO with Tinfoil hat Conspiracies...

Truthfully, P99 would be better off Without BDA. TMO isn't the problem here, You BDA schmucks are.

[Eccezan]

Same Shit, Different Thread.

I understand that BDA is a bunch of broken record cry babies that belong on EQMac, Not P99.

Can't get mobs? Blame TMO with Tinfoil hat Conspiracies...

Truthfully, P99 would be better off Without BDA. TMO isn't the problem here, You BDA schmucks are.

QFT

[Jarnauga]

Lostprofits confirmed new Jagganath.

[Susano]

Same Shit, Different Thread.

I understand that BDA is a bunch of broken record cry babies that belong on EQMac, Not P99.

Can't get mobs? Blame TMO with Tinfoil hat Conspiracies...

Truthfully, P99 would be better off Without BDA. TMO isn't the problem here, You BDA schmucks are.

This dude is gunning HARD for Taken to be TMO's next acquisition in guild absorptions.

Coming from a guy that hung up his p99 raiding hat, feels so good. This server is 100% toxic. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this whole mess of a project. Well, not the people making money off it, be that those running it or players exploiting it, but the rest of you guys.....you have my condolences.

PS - Been dealing with TMO since Fennin Ro, trash then and trash now. Only good thing about them was laughing at Edarion, and he isn't even in the p99 version.

[BigSlip]

then play red u bunch of pussies


lol

[Alarti0001]

Same Shit, Different Thread.

I understand that BDA is a bunch of broken record cry babies that belong on EQMac, Not P99.

Can't get mobs? Blame TMO with Tinfoil hat Conspiracies...

Truthfully, P99 would be better off Without BDA. TMO isn't the problem here, You BDA schmucks are.

QFT

[Alarti0001]

This dude is gunning HARD for Taken to be TMO's next acquisition in guild absorptions.

Coming from a guy that hung up his p99 raiding hat, feels so good. This server is 100% toxic. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this whole mess of a project. Well, not the people making money off it, be that those running it or players exploiting it, but the rest of you guys.....you have my condolences.

PS - Been dealing with TMO since Fennin Ro, trash then and trash now. Only good thing about them was laughing at Edarion, and he isn't even in the p99 version.

Some kids cant let go of 13 year old grudges.

[Kraftwerk]

I honestly cannot believe these stupid shenanigans are still going on.

Server needs new rules - anything goes Thunderdome style.

[Eccezan]

This dude is gunning HARD for Taken to be TMO's next acquisition in guild absorptions.

Coming from a guy that hung up his p99 raiding hat, feels so good. This server is 100% toxic. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this whole mess of a project. Well, not the people making money off it, be that those running it or players exploiting it, but the rest of you guys.....you have my condolences.

PS - Been dealing with TMO since Fennin Ro, lost to them then and lost to them now. Only good thing about them was laughing at Edarion, and he isn't even in the p99 version.

I got you bro. all fixed...Damn, I should get paid to be Chief Editor of these forums.

[Lostprophets]

This dude is gunning HARD for Taken to be TMO's next acquisition in guild absorptions.

Coming from a guy that hung up his p99 raiding hat, feels so good. This server is 100% toxic. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this whole mess of a project. Well, not the people making money off it, be that those running it or players exploiting it, but the rest of you guys.....you have my condolences.

PS - Been dealing with TMO since Fennin Ro, trash then and trash now. Only good thing about them was laughing at Edarion, and he isn't even in the p99 version.

Who are you again? oh, some BDA scrub..that's right.

Taken ain't goin to TMO. Doesn't mean Taken/TMO can't be friends...

However, BDA on the otherhand, is forever alone...hence why they should just get it over with and go to mac already.

Take your tears to the door bitch...

[Chedduh]

Same Shit, Different Thread.

I understand that BDA is a bunch of broken record cry babies that belong on EQMac, Not P99.

Can't get mobs? Blame TMO with Tinfoil hat Conspiracies...

Truthfully, P99 would be better off Without BDA. TMO isn't the problem here, You BDA schmucks are.

Lostprofits confirmed new Jagganath.

This dude is gunning HARD for Taken to be TMO's next acquisition in guild absorptions.


He is giving his tongue a solid workout for sure, coincidentally enough the koolaid has proven potent as he was once one of these tin foil hat schmucks he speaks of but now acts as if he is superior or different somehow

[Lostprophets]

He is giving his tongue a solid workout for sure, coincidentally enough the koolaid has proven potent as he was once one of these tin foil hat schmucks he speaks of but now acts as if he is superior or different somehow

Stop hiding behind that troll account and most importantly stop smoking them bath salts, you don't know what you're even talking about pal.

[Chedduh]

confirmed more former Taken in TMO than Taken currently has on roster, you mad bro?

[arsenalpow]

aalpha was suspended after today's events, how can you possibly defend your stance that we caused our own train???

[Ele]

aalpha was suspended after today's events, how can you possibly defend your stance that we caused our own train???

Because you(BDA) affirmatively took steps to get on the aggro list of those mobs? Do you guys not understand basic game mechanics?

[Lostprophets]

confirmed more former Taken in TMO than Taken currently has on roster, you mad bro?

Sounds like I striked a nerve with this anonymous poster, now he's trying to dig at me like i actually give a fuck. NEWP, sorry I give zero fucks. :)

[Crazyeye]

Unbelievable the amount negativity VD players has brought to BDA after the merger, its almost like VD is still alive and as butt hurt as ever. Velious will bring us all closer i hope pals, theres just not enough content for the amount of players 50-60.

[Chedduh]

Sounds like I striked a nerve with this anonymous poster, now he's trying to dig at me like i actually give a fuck. NEWP, sorry I give zero fucks. :)

yet you took the time to type this out and used fuck two times, again sounds like something a TMO troll says

[Harmonium]

http://i.imgur.com/9TYvC.gif

[fullmetalcoxman]

yet you took the time to type this out and used fuck two times, again sounds like something a TMO troll says

What does that mean? TMO has a monopoly on the word fuck now as well?

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

These threads are starting to get old. Also if people are gonna continue to complain about TMO not playing nice, perhaps they should practice what they preach? Metallikus you know I have no problem with you but you come and make threads like this but then screw over smaller guilds on stuff like King tranix, doesn't make much sense.

[Chedduh]

What does that mean? TMO has a monopoly on the word fuck now as well?

nah the line about zero fucks made famous from that IB/TR fraps

[Jenni D]

lostprophets needs to remove the paedophile from his sig imo.

oh, anyone a subway fan here?

[contemptor]

Who are you again? oh, some BDA scrub..that's right.

Taken ain't goin to TMO. Doesn't mean Taken/TMO can't be friends...

However, BDA on the otherhand, is forever alone...hence why they should just get it over with and go to mac already.

Take your tears to the door bitch...
Friends with (no) benefits

[Alarti0001]

This dude is gunning HARD for Taken to be TMO's next acquisition in guild absorptions.

Coming from a guy that hung up his p99 raiding hat, feels so good. This server is 100% toxic. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this whole mess of a project. Well, not the people making money off it, be that those running it or players exploiting it, but the rest of you guys.....you have my condolences.

PS - Been dealing with TMO since Fennin Ro, trash then and trash now. Only good thing about them was laughing at Edarion, and he isn't even in the p99 version.

Friends with (no) benefits

Friendship is its own benefit.

Maybe a so called "family guild" like BDA could take some pointers from TMO. Crazy isolationists!

[Jenni D]

was chest playing before ib/vd left?

[gotrocks]

oh, anyone a subway fan here?

steak and cheese is the fucking shit.

could eat 10 full size steak and cheese in one sitting.

[Frogie305]

Were you guys there when TMO got washed out of the GM pvp event?

http://i.imgur.com/2QGqR.jpg

Pfff Capi Let you win Xerxes. < confirmed true story.

[Fael]

"Aalpha was suspended after today's events, how can you possibly defend your stance that we caused our own train??? "


This is not true. Ephi specifically said that Aalpha was suspended for intentionally dropping his train onto Arconis. NOT, I REPEAT NOT, FOR TRAINING your camp. Never mind the fact that Arconis aggroed every mob in Aalpha's train when he leap frogged and sniped FTE (Aalpha's train was in range of Draco to get aggro when Draco sent out his social assist call).

Ephi knows that Arconis took the train north and got a COTH after your monk peeled draco by Sneak pulling. Ephi knows that the train took an immediate bee line to your camp once the Bard got his coth.

Conclussion: your monks demonstrate once again they do , NOT I REPEAT DO NOT, understand how aggro works in this game. Once again, you guys will just have to try again next time. And maybe also try not to coth the Bard that has aggro on the whole zone. Just as a back up, it is nice to control the zone if you can (although I understand that it is hard to kill draco with 4 people, so the bard was much needed help.)

DS

[Chloroform]

let's get the facts straight everyone

TMO zones in first, skatman is kiting - he dies

TMO monks pick up the kite - aalpha, yapas, and someone else i can't remember atm

Arconis zones in, TMO monks flop the train onto him, we tag draco at the back of the pack and coth arconis away from the dastardly train

mobs come back to eat the bad TMO monks that don't know how to sneak off aggro

TMO trains BDA mid draco attempt

TMO zones in their 2nd wave of zerg and downs draco



SPIN HARDER

spin harder

[Kingore]

As one of the three TMO monks involved in the pull from reading this thread it is ULTRA clear to me you all have no idea what what you are talking about.

1) Aalpha goes in and agros mobs around portal, looking for Draco
2) As he runs towards Draco to agro him, BDA bard hits bard speed past Aalpha and agros draco (As Aalpha is running directly towards him and I'm 2 seconds from agroing also to pull him)
3) Aalpha FD's the mobs he agro's since we were beat on pull, but since BDA bard ran through his train already had agro.

There was no raid training, there was no dropping mobs on your puller, there was only a lack of kiting mobs so you can kill Draco. You guys are neglecting to mention that BDA people agro'd that train and did not clear agro.

Aalpha's suspension was bullshit.

I had the opportunity to take Draco off your puller and to TMO camp, but the TMO officers told me not to. You all have no idea what happened, clearly.

[Tasslehofp99]

Lol @ Lostprophets. Too busy pushing out core guild members Taken to attempt regular engages to even understand how the p99 endgame is.

How far up TMO's collective asshole can you get Lostprophets? I mean, sure...they're probably responsible for half the gear you're wearing, and your epic. I guess if your individual goals are more important then your own guild's goals, then sure TMO hasn't wronged you in any way.

I personally know many Taken members, and I know you guys could kill atleast a few of the high end raid mobs. The only reason you can't/won't/don't is because of TMO and their chokehold on every mob in the game. So before you continue guzzling the collective ejaculate of TMO, atleast try to think about the other members of your guild who would like to do some high end raiding, kill different mobs, and maybe...JUST MAYBE...get their epics too (without paying TMO's rent).

[Tasslehofp99]

Who are you again? oh, some BDA scrub..that's right.

Taken ain't goin to TMO. Doesn't mean Taken/TMO can't be friends...

However, BDA on the otherhand, is forever alone...hence why they should just get it over with and go to mac already.

Take your tears to the door bitch...



lol! Lostprophets penis firmly planted in TMO guild's butthole.

[dmann253]

All you crybabies say the same shit over and over. At least get some new material.

[Chloroform]

this thread proves that BDA officers have no clue what happened in fear this morning, and that they collectively can not communicate and get the story straight. Chest made up some crazy shit, SPIN HARDER

[Hailto]

>2013
>squabbling over Fear loot.

[Ele]

>2013
>squabbling over Fear loot.

that rotted

[Fountree]

Just came back to this thread after a couple of hours, and I must say, wowowow this is a fail thread for BDA/FE lol. Very entertaining read.

[hatelore]

>2013
>squabbling over Fear loot.

^ The only thing that has made sense in this entire thread.

[Sirken]

Like do you want the message from the gm saying it or did u want logs of tmo members admitting it or just the pure absence of characters in game (sentenza, wistie, fazlazen, aalpha, fauss, 3 undisclosed accounts according to gm from fear trains a week ago).
where do you guys get this stuff? the rapping botb bard was/is not banned

http://i.imgur.com/9ztO2.png
was not online.. yet still get credit.. must be doing A+ work ;)

[knix]

where do you guys get this stuff? the rapping botb bard was/is not banned


was not online.. yet still get credit.. must be doing A+ work ;)

I have never heard Fauss Rap, but thanks for the clarification about his status as not banned/or suspended.

You do great work, and Ephi does too, it is hard for you all to see everything. It would be good if there was some kind of God mode you could zoom out and see each player and rewind the plays.

It would be great if you could have another look at what happened in Fear because what BDA (Chest) is saying is not what happened.

[Jokesteve]

lostprophets needs to remove the paedophile from his sig imo.

oh, anyone a subway fan here?

QFT

[Doors]

If TMO is so blameless and innocent then why does everyone of this server hate them? How fucking hard is it to agree to a raid rotation and follow it? Do you virgins seriously need every single raid mob including naggy and vox every single time they spawn? You bash BDA and whomever else talks shit on your guild but the truth of the matter is if TMO stopped bum rushing and training every single raid target other guilds would follow suit and maybe end game here wouldn't be so shitty.

[Lostprophets]

How far up TMO's collective asshole can you get Lostprophets? I mean, sure...they're probably responsible for half the gear you're wearing, and your epic. I guess if your individual goals are more important then your own guild's goals, then sure TMO hasn't wronged you in any way.

I personally know many Taken members, and I know you guys could kill atleast a few of the high end raid mobs. The only reason you can't/won't/don't is because of TMO and their chokehold on every mob in the game. So before you continue guzzling the collective ejaculate of TMO, atleast try to think about the other members of your guild who would like to do some high end raiding, kill different mobs, and maybe...JUST MAYBE...get their epics too (without paying TMO's rent).

TMO hasn't given me or taken any gear. Haven't as a matter of fact done anything for us. We also choose as a whole guild to stay out of in-game raid pissing matches with you fools, we get enough of your delusional shit on the forums, why would we want more in game? Try to twist your tinfoil hat theories better. Also, please keep your homosexual fantasies to yourself Gary. that's just TMI, not TMO.

[Doors]

Easy server fix:

Enforce rotations.
Suspend guilds breaking it first violation.
Suspend guilds breaking it second violation, banning individuals pulling/leading permanently.

Will never happen though. No fucking clue why, I'm sure RMT has something to do with it though.

[Jenni D]

gary would do well to keep his grown up fantasies to himself. but isnt that rich coming from someone with a paedophile in their sig. on trial for planning the rape of baby girls?

[Verenity]

All I get from this thread is that Lostprophets has turned into a complete asshole. I used to have a lot of respect for you and your guild bro, but what the fuck are you even going on about anymore. You've been deepthroating TMO's collective dicks in any thread involving them in RnF with absolutely no dog in this fight. Shut the fuck up and stop pretending you or your guild has accomplished anything of worth in a long time.

I can respect shit talking from TMO because at least they have the skills and kills to back it up, but not from one of the worst warriors on the server.

[Jarnauga]

Easy server fix:

Enforce rotations.
Suspend guilds breaking it first violation.
Suspend guilds breaking it second violation, banning individuals pulling/leading permanently.

Will never happen though. No fucking clue why, I'm sure RMT has something to do with it though.

WHAT ? you want kids to share their toys ?

..who are you, some liberal-potsmoking-european-treehugger-communist ?

[quido]

Rotations are gay

I've lived through one on this server, most of you haven't

I had everything to gain from it and nothing to lose - it was still gay

[Frieza_Prexus]

Easy server fix:

Enforce rotations.
Suspend guilds breaking it first violation.
Suspend guilds breaking it second violation, banning individuals pulling/leading permanently.

Will never happen though. No fucking clue why, I'm sure RMT has something to do with it though.

Or it could simply be that your "fix" would break the game for others. I can't help it that your preferred method of playing the game seems to be mutually exclusive with mine. I play EQ to compete to the maximum extent allowable within the rules provided, and I will continue to do so as long as I am able. The server currently caters to this style of play; it's incumbent upon you to deal with that.

As I've said before, RMT undoubtedly happens. However, you are increasingly marginalizing yourself with your constant and baseless invocations of systemic RMT transactions.

Of course, when you're already a fanatical demagogue I suppose you have nothing left to lose by beating your chest like an angry ape.

[Servellious]

Not everyone wants a rotation.

Some people want competition more like lakers vs celtics back in the day during magic/bird time, now not everyone is up to TMO's level but just respect your opponent and win without douche bag shit thats all.

Did no one grow up playing sports? Dont be like lance Armstrong is what im trying to say

[Xiek]

Not everyone wants a rotation.

Some people want competition more like lakers vs celtics back in the day during magic/bird time, now not everyone is up to TMO's level but just respect your opponent and win without douche bag shit thats all.

Did no one grow up playing sports? Dont be like lance Armstrong is what im trying to say

this

[-Taelara]

I love how everyone puts their own spin on this shit. Aalpha was running towards draco to tag (with a train), and BDA's bard rushes past Aalpha for the tag. Aalpha unknowingly drops said train not knowing the BDA bard got social aggro on the train. BDA gets trained.

Did we train BDA? No. BDA ran through our train.

I honestly loved the new staff until this pointless fucking suspension. How does this warrant a suspension? Is Ambrotos filling in for Ephi? When another guild does something wrong it's all fucking gravy but the guild that wins gets shit on, while sore losers are no doubt always up in arms making up any bullshit they can.

We'll just let you pussies pull draco and the massive train and wipe yourselves next time. Xerxes can pull.

[-Taelara]

In fact, we won't even mobilize, we won't even try. Don't want to break any rules.

[Godefroi]

Oh my god, TMO is so horrible.

Necrious, Alarti and Catterine are really the only cool kids left in there :(

[Godefroi]

Doesn't matter how clean we are - you will always cry because you suck.

Says the two boxer ?

:p

[Godefroi]

We're all working pretty hard at trying to create a better future for the server, even though at times it may not seem that way.



then disband TMO and keep them from selling epics for hundreds of k-plats that you know exactly what they do with afterwards!

Unless you want to see another IB-fiasco and somebody (like Eccezan the cave sociopath) make 15K USD on your back.

[Eccezan]

then disband TMO and keep them from selling epics for hundreds of k-plats that you know exactly what they do with afterwards!

Unless you want to see another IB-fiasco and somebody (like Eccezan the cave sociopath) make 15K USD on your back.


That is Mr. Cave Sociopath to you.

[Godefroi]

That is Mr. Cave Sociopath to you.

well it's super late in the US and you still post here.

So , yes. Caveman :)

[baub]

The point of staff disciplinary action is not to remove those responsible from the game, and certainly not to remove those indirectly associated. Not in any way is it about that. It's about teaching people that they are doing something wrong, so that they can correct it, redeem their name, and hopefully make the server a better place in the future. At times, they fail to do that, and that's where permanent bans usually sit (as well as some other one-off circumstances).

I both admire and pity you

[Calabee]

baub~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <3

there is a guild called <Of Tholuxe Paels> atm :(

[Calabee]

erm guess < > dont work, anyways the guild is ''Of Tholuxe Paels'' :P

[Doors]

Or it could simply be that your "fix" would break the game for others. I can't help it that your preferred method of playing the game seems to be mutually exclusive with mine.

This quote right here sums up why you, and your entire guild, is comprised of faggots. Unlike TMO's core I have a job and can't just log on when something spawns in a raid variance window. Learn to share, jesus fucking christ are you pathetic.

[Maze513]

12+ pages and all I really see is

"Why GMs like TMO more bra?"

[quido]

I have two jobs - all you uni-employed faggots need to get a life!

<object width="640" height="480"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Z6PxHkgjCpQ?version=3&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Z6PxHkgjCpQ?version=3&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="640" height="480" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>

[quido]

Oui!

[Sadad]

Since y'all seem to think that fear and hate operate under vp rules, perhaps a return to the ambrotos raid rules is in order.

[Maze513]

or perhaps Uthguarrd status when the crybabies spoke no ill in fear of the Ban Hamma

[quido]

Since y'all seem to think that fear and hate operate under vp rules, perhaps a return to the ambrotos raid rules is in order.

It still wouldn't stop you all from training yourselves.

[arsenalpow]

It still wouldn't stop us from training you.

Fixed it for ya

[Jenni D]

remember when doze, vd & tmo all doing a fear trash/gear clear at once. a few trains occur. uth appears and goes full mental. nobody is allowed to leave the zone until he finishes his rant and threats.

i liked his style

[quido]

Haha yeah Chest, you've been so spot on with calling it like you see it.

[quido]

"We couldn't possibly have done something stupid and gotten ourselves killed! Nice train, thanks TMO."

[Godefroi]

you need to get a life!


Found Lenfer For ya. I wish you could understand french, this is priceless.

<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/i_Twl_3GSRo?hl=fr_FR&amp;version=3"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/i_Twl_3GSRo?hl=fr_FR&amp;version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>

[Godefroi]

"We couldn't possibly have done something stupid and gotten ourselves killed! Nice train, thanks TMO."

Btw, you're still a 2 boxer ;)

[Alarti0001]

Since y'all seem to think that fear and hate operate under vp rules, perhaps a return to the ambrotos raid rules is in order.

Sorry rules specifically tailored against one guild are so 2012. Unless you plan to get another gm in your guild?

[Alarti0001]

This quote right here sums up why you, and your entire guild, is comprised of faggots.

You are confused that guild was Flaming Gaze

[Godefroi]

TMO is not composed only of faggots, it has very valuable/kind/clever people in it. However, the purpose of the guild and its effect on the server is retarded.

That is all.

Who wants baguette?

[Alarti0001]

TMO is not composed only of faggots, it has very valuable/kind/clever people in it. However, the purpose of the guild and its effect on the server is retarded.

That is all.

Who wants baguette?

Your opinion matters greatly! No really it does......

[Hollywood]

Who are you again? oh, some BDA scrub..that's right.

Taken ain't goin to TMO. Doesn't mean Taken/TMO can't be friends...

However, BDA on the otherhand, is forever alone...hence why they should just get it over with and go to mac already.

Take your tears to the door bitch...

Who or what is Taken?

[Godefroi]

Your opinion matters greatly! No really it does......

I'm stating the truth!

Hate the sin, but not the sinners :]

[heartbrand]

Everytime I read a thread like this I remain mystified why people don't man up and bring an entire guild / crew to red. It's nothing like the forums.

[Alarti0001]

I'm stating the truth!

Hate the sin, but not the sinners :]

No..... you aren't. Its opinion. I realize English isn't your primary language so here is some help for you.

In general, an opinion is a belief about matters commonly considered to be subjective, i.e., it is based on that which is less than absolutely certain, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts

I am sure you aren't delusional enough to consider your opinion to be fact. Likely it is just a misinterpretation of the word, "truth".

[Godefroi]

No..... you aren't. Its opinion. I realize English isn't your primary language so here is some help for you.

In general, an opinion is a belief about matters commonly considered to be subjective, i.e., it is based on that which is less than absolutely certain, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts

I am sure you aren't delusional enough to consider your opinion to be fact. Likely it is just a misinterpretation of the word, "truth".

Well of course It's just my subjective biased opinion ! It's shared by a vast majority of this server (If not 4/5 of it) yet it doesn't make it truth.

You should spot my sarcasm aswell Alarti, I'm really not the guy you wanna lose time white knighting on :rolleyes:

[Yapas]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/33011376.jpg

[arsenalpow]

Probably would have been funny if you didn't French up the text

[Yapas]

You just break my heart Chest T_T

[Kraftwerk]

Everytime I read a thread like this I remain mystified why people don't man up and bring an entire guild / crew to red. It's nothing like the forums.

Yea, I made the switch and I couldn't be happier. All the shenanigans and shit talk between our guilds past week has been hella fun.

[Cochonou]

Probably would have been funny if you didn't French up the text

Even Jarnauga would have made it right

[arsenalpow]

Jarn has an accent but it's not as pronounced as most of the other frenchies that I've heard speak. He's really good with the English.

[Cochonou]

You just break my heart Chest T_T

Famous drama queen answer.

[Godefroi]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/33011376.jpg

You are entering a courtyard you really shouldn't, Yapas.

[radditsu]

http://i.imgur.com/XxCKj.png


You are all equally terrible. But especially TMO. ESPECIALLY TMO.

[Cochonou]

Jarn has an accent but it's not as pronounced as most of the other frenchies that I've heard speak. He's really good with the English.

Thinking of that monk of yours called Yamasaki ?

[jpeute]

Cochonou le bon saucisson comme on l'aime chez nous!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFyAdfQwouw

[Yapas]

You are entering a courtyard you really shouldn't, Yapas.


When I read liar shit from Chest & his pets against TMO I cannot just close my eyes and stfu.

When these trolls will prove their accusation instead of pathetic speculation ( Fauss thread by example was a good one) "Les poules auront des dents" "Pigs might fly"




PS : You must really be bitter to attack me on my English ....

Nobody is perfect ....

[Alarti0001]

Well of course It's just my subjective biased opinion ! It's shared by a vast majority of this server (If not 4/5 of it) yet it doesn't make it truth.

You should spot my sarcasm aswell Alarti, I'm really not the guy you wanna lose time white knighting on :rolleyes:

Show proof of your statistics!

[jpeute]

When I read liar shit from Chest & his pets against TMO I cannot just close my eyes and stfu.

When these trolls will prove their accusation instead of pathetic speculation ( Fauss thread by example was a good one) "Les poules auront des dents" "Pigs might fly"




PS : You must really be bitter to attack me on my English ....

Nobody is perfect ....

Dans le cochon, tout est bon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRAtJ7V0-gw

[Yapas]

Dans le cochon, tout est bon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRAtJ7V0-gw


C'est bien de chez nous ça !! ahah

[bizzum]

http://i.imgur.com/9ztO2.png

I'm sure they'd be willing to put the corpse with double Monsoon back in fear if you really wanted to go loot it.

[Godefroi]

When I read liar shit from Chest & his pets against TMO I cannot just close my eyes and stfu.

When these trolls will prove their accusation instead of pathetic speculation ( Fauss thread by example was a good one) "Les poules auront des dents" "Pigs might fly"




PS : You must really be bitter to attack me on my English ....

Nobody is perfect ....

As an ex BDA member and fresh TMO app I find your trolling quite sarcastic, that is all.

All in all RnF is a lot of people stating stuff they cannot even prove, each other trying to frame each other for stuff nobody really cares about.

As of advising you not the enter the RnF courtyard, I was being friendly, quite disappointed to see you posting here after our talks the other day. You said you weren't sponsoring the TMO BS and how they are pointlessly pharming the server, yet I see you bragging out there like a low life troll...I'm quite surprised, that's all.

And concerning your level of spelling in English, please be ensured that you got me wrong as teasing someone about their level in a specific foreign language when yours isn't native would be quite preposterous.

Cheers

[Godefroi]

Show proof of your statistics!

I call this the "Hot girl Effect".

4/5 of male project 1999 players would definitly bang this chick. 4/5 of the male players seeing this picture imagine nasty and dirty stuff. But then you have Gay people, and the ones who don't like brunettes, here are you 1/5 that won't bang this chick. You cannot verifiy this with statistics, you cannot call it truth, yet it is very likely to be true if an attempt was made to statistically verifiy this hypothesis.

Well for TMO, it's the same, remove the gays and the ones that don't like brunettes, and you get 4/5 of the server.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_vi9bz_fbuU/TzVEUgTSwDI/AAAAAAAAYhE/WZoSYzmHPTE/s1600/Pictures-hot-girls-wallpapers-sexy-hd-photos-hot-girls-wallpaper-3.jpg

[Alarti0001]

I call this the "Hot girl Effect".

4/5 of male project 1999 players would definitly bang this chick. 4/5 of the male players seeing this picture imagine nasty and dirty stuff. But then you have Gay people, and the ones who don't like brunettes, here are you 1/5 that won't bang this chick. You cannot verifiy this with statistics, you cannot call it truth, yet it is very likely to be true if an attempt was made to statistically verifiy this hypothesis.

Well for TMO, it's the same, remove the gays and the ones that don't like brunettes, and you get 4/5 of the server.




I call this the False Analogy fallacy.

[Godefroi]

I call this the False Analogy fallacy.

the girl is hot nontheless. You'd bang it. don't lie. hmm, tits.

[Zeelot]

Great thread. Decent read so far. Keep the hate flowing

[Cochonou]

Found a video of Zeelot, Yapas and Tortue trying to play EQ together

<object width="420" height="315"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/L0lz9kcrQdQ?hl=fr_FR&amp;version=3"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/L0lz9kcrQdQ?hl=fr_FR&amp;version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="420" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>

[Autotune]

Anthrax bringing back the VD butthurt spam wave to the forums?

Worked last time when you got Amelinda to throw a wicked undeserved suspension on TMO (which IB shared one as well and VD got off free).

Dunno if it will work this time with Sirken, he doesn't seem to have the required lady parts to sympathize with yours.

[Llodd]

EQ endgame has always been cutthroat. Not sure why people expected it to be different on this server emulating "13 year old pixels". It basicly attracts two kinds of people: casual players who want to reexperience the nostalgia of hardcore MMORPGs and the powergamer who strives for competition. Dunno why that's so hard to understand.
We've seen the same discussions since the inception of the server, just exchange guild and players names with xyz and they're identical. You will NOT change the way other players decide to play this game or on this Emu. No one has the right to demand that, even if you think you're treated unfairly (wake up, life sucks). Either wait until Velious and see if it'll change anything (TMO will lose interest in 95% of Kunark and 99% of Classic I assume) or quit your job or w/e to free up more time so you can slay pixels or leave the server.
We've had the similar accusations and rants thrown at TR/IB when we were still around. I can honestly say that I have no idea if all of them were false, but most were plain bullshit, entertained by haters and players who did not share the mentality of high end raiding. Again. You can't dictate how others enjoy the game. I played on The Rathe and raid targets were rotated, minus the really end game mobs. I didn't understand competitive raiding until I experienced it here, on P99. The essential questions the powergamer asks himself are following: how much can we actually pull off? How many targets can we clear? It's a simple numbers game. It requires dedication and stamina. Especially here, with the variance bullshit and constant tracking.
Of course you can argue that TMO has been slaying target_xy for 1-2 years now and they don't need the gear anymore or are equipping their alts with dragon loot. Well, you could construe that has another "top-raiding" tactic. Since this server is already big on pre-buffing and -camping, wouldn't it make sense to go one step further and park multiple chars at multiple targets? Whether or not you classify this as "good" or "bad" doesn't matter. Personally I think it's a terrible development (e.g. Trak ledge, lawl), but as long as it ensures a win...
How about, instead of constantly bitching without any results, launching a counter-offensive? You know what DA did shortly after Kunark when they couldn't field enough players anymore? They merged with the -then- casual TMO and deployed mass numbers which eventually got them their kills. If multiple guilds are not capable of working together against a "common foe", how do you expect to survive on your own? Maybe instead of 4-5 guilds going for Inny, it should maybe be TMO vs. one raid alliance? I'm pretty sure this has been thrown around before, but apparently it's not appealing either, so the general consensus is: activate carebear and rotate? Well yea, see above. Not taking any sides here btw. Just explaining. :)

Won't comment any shitty behaviour by suspended players or staff decisions or w/e as I'm not in the current raid loop anyhow.

This is how I remembered it being for the most part, but you have to ask why was it so and were all servers like this? Generally speaking the answer is yes but once you delve a little deeper you will realise a few things such as it only appeared this way because unfortunately for anyone to compete against guilds that adopt these tactics they have to adopt them themselves - and that's where it all falls apart. If your core leadership aren't of the douchebag variety it just isn't going to work.

There are some guilds on this server that wont go in for the ultra competitive (lol) pissing contest that tmo and countless guilds on live do/did, so they get to live off the scraps. Hardly the best way to enjoy the game for a large portion of the server.

tl;dr To get the loots you have to be a selfish shithead too

[feanan]

Another difference is, back on Live there was actually some things to be proud of when you first defeated an encounter, and the constant new content that came out meant there was always someplace to move on to.

Here you have people bragging about killing shit that has been getting killed for 13 years. Lots of skill! Lots to be proud of! I can see why TMO likes to come brag!

I would guess that the toxic shit that makes up the raiding game on this server has run off way more people than having some sort of enforced rotation.

So you have to ask yourself, why have the GM's let it come to this? They can fix the issues. And if 100 hardcore TMO, BDA, whoever quit because of it, who cares? Because 500 people who previously quit because of all the drama crap would come back.

[Alarti0001]

So you have to ask yourself, why have the GM's let it come to this? They can fix the issues. And if 100 hardcore TMO, BDA, whoever quit because of it, who cares? Because 500 people who previously quit because of all the drama crap would come back.

Oh where did you get these figures? I am willing to wager that the majority of people who leave do so because of lack of content not for any raid reasons.
I bet if they put out velious "500" people would come back too.

[Ephi]

http://i.imgur.com/9ztO2.png

Just so you know, it was me, not Sirken. In fact, I'm not even sure he's seen the internal thread for it yet.

Just sayin', where's my angry meme?

[Hurley]

lol people still play this game.

[Alarti0001]

lol people still play this game.

Is forceful entry gone?

[Hurley]

Alarti is still a giant moron it seems.

[Tarathiel]

Great thread. Decent read so far. Keep the $$$ flowing

ftfy

[Alarti0001]

Alarti is still a giant moron it seems.

How so I've been away for about a month or two. I was just asking about the status of your guild.
Please support your statement.

Also, its comical for someone who only quit recently to ask if people still play here. The hubris of someone who things a game is only playable when they are playing. For shame.

[Chloroform]

two words in response to all that i just read, holy crap.

[Thana8088]

GM responses bring this song to mind:

<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/u0fk6syQ7iY?version=3&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/u0fk6syQ7iY?version=3&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>

[cyryllis]

sorry that woman's navel is far too large and distracting for me to bang

[bouncerr 2.0]

Is forceful entry gone?

[Godefroi]

Since we snagged Sev from TMO tonight, nope, we're here :D

[Thana8088]

Since we snagged Sev from TMO tonight, nope, we're here :D

But...but.. I thought we cock-blocked everything and never allowed anyone to ever get any mobs ever ever EVER.

How could you have gotten Sev???

[Thana8088]

Well we must have it we run this server, right?

[Autotune]

prob 3 mobs in all of P99 that TMO actually cares about.

pd, vs, trak.

all the others are just to piss the rest of the server off.

[Godefroi]

But...but.. I thought we cock-blocked everything and never allowed anyone to ever get any mobs ever ever EVER.

How could you have gotten Sev???

Remember when in TR we were cockblocking TMO, had 343243420 TMO QQ threads posted in RnF about it ? We were pointlessly banking trak BPs. we had 100% of the traks for what, 8 months ?

TMO learned to play faster, move faster, learn strats. And they started getting mobs, they eventually ended up being faster and better than TR, and when they had beefed up enough their roaster and discouraged the remaining TR core that couldn't be arsed pharming, with velious so far ahead, TMO won.

That's eventually what's gonna happen to TMO. They cockblock but people learn how they play, and do the same, eventually, faster and better.

[Massive Marc]

Remember when in TR we were cockblocking TMO, had 343243420 TMO QQ threads posted in RnF about it ? We were pointlessly banking trak BPs. we had 100% of the traks for what, 8 months ?

TMO learned to play faster, move faster, learn strats. And they started getting mobs, they eventually ended up being faster and better than TR, and when they had beefed up enough their roaster and discouraged the remaining TR core that couldn't be arsed pharming, with velious so far ahead, TMO won.

That's eventually what's gonna happen to TMO. They cockblock but people learn how they play, and do the same, eventually, faster and better.

By 'learning how to play' do you mean conceding anything relevant in real life ?

[Autotune]

Remember when in TR we were cockblocking TMO, had 343243420 TMO QQ threads posted in RnF about it ? We were pointlessly banking trak BPs. we had 100% of the traks for what, 8 months ?

TMO learned to play faster, move faster, learn strats. And they started getting mobs, they eventually ended up being faster and better than TR, and when they had beefed up enough their roaster and discouraged the remaining TR core that couldn't be arsed pharming, with velious so far ahead, TMO won.

That's eventually what's gonna happen to TMO. They cockblock but people learn how they play, and do the same, eventually, faster and better.

not 8 months, prob more like 4 or 5? Think kunark launched in march and I know TMO was taking out Trak in August (maybe even July).

TMO has a different system than TR, it can go another year or so I'm sure (which is about the life of the server if Velious doesn't come out).

[Godefroi]

By 'learning how to play' do you mean conceding anything relevant in real life ?

It implies either going full no life or build up a suitable roster for full track covering of a broad panel of mobs that can be simultaneously in window, yes.

[Godefroi]

not 8 months, prob more like 4 or 5? Think kunark launched in march and I know TMO was taking out Trak in August (maybe even July).

TMO has a different system than TR, it can go another year or so I'm sure (which is about the life of the server if Velious doesn't come out).

TMO's current state is 20 ultra experienced players running around with PD robes and the rest are warm bodies joining the hype as it lasts.

The raiding scene has changed as TMO continuously dominated it, other guilds are adapting, just like TMO adapted to TR's saddistic game play. It's just a question of time until both FE and BDA start seriously biting huge chunk from TMO's kill %.

For TMO it's all about Velious, whilst I can see both FE and BDA happily pharm VP for atleast a year. Oh and, train fest is about to start in there as both FE and BDA have a raid force capable of everything but Hoshkar, considering they don't hypothetically team up for now :rolleyes:

[Alarti0001]

Oh and, train fest is about to start in there as both FE and BDA have a raid force capable of everything but Hoshkar, considering they don't hypothetically team up for now :rolleyes:

Heh this is highly debateable.

[Autotune]

TMO's current state is 20 ultra experienced players running around with PD robes and the rest are warm bodies joining the hype as it lasts.

The raiding scene has changed as TMO continuously dominated it, other guilds are adapting, just like TMO adapted to TR's saddistic game play. It's just a question of time until both FE and BDA start seriously biting huge chunk from TMO's kill %.

For TMO it's all about Velious, whilst I can see both FE and BDA happily pharm VP for atleast a year. Oh and, train fest is about to start in there as both FE and BDA have a raid force capable of everything but Hoshkar, considering they don't hypothetically team up for now :rolleyes:

TMO is on easy mode atm. Basically taking breaks and just relaxing.

As far as warm bodies, they'll get their loot all the same.

As far as other guilds getting mobs, TMO doesn't really care. I've seen what they say about it and they all pretty much understand that things are easy mode and to just chill while they can until Velious while keeping the other guilds at bay.

The worst off the other guilds are at Velious, the better for TMO.

[Godefroi]

TMO is on easy mode atm. Basically taking breaks and just relaxing.

As far as warm bodies, they'll get their loot all the same.

As far as other guilds getting mobs, TMO doesn't really care. I've seen what they say about it and they all pretty much understand that things are easy mode and to just chill while they can until Velious while keeping the other guilds at bay.

The worst off the other guilds are at Velious, the better for TMO.

TR was on "chill" mode too, with lots of AFKs, you know the end.

[Autotune]

TR was on "chill" mode too, with lots of AFKs, you know the end.

difference tho.

TR also never went into Chill mode.

[Autotune]

difference tho.

TR also never went into Chill mode.

They tried to keep up their "we're dominate, fuck you" status and let the minor losses get to them. Then because of that, they did something most of them didn't want to do... they joined up with VD for warm bodies.

In the end, TR killed themselves. Instead of saying, fuck it we're going out on top, they lowered themselves to try and keep competing.

TMO will just recruit and keep fresh faces while they require it.

[Thana8088]

TMO will just recruit and keep fresh faces while they require it.

Recuit whom when 4/5 of the server hates us? I just don't know how we will ever find new players.

/fret

[Alarti0001]

Eh. We did go into chill mode. The old guard mostly went and did RL stuff or played other games. That continued for a long time, but we kept up the rhetoric until the bitter end.

In sum, it was attrition that killed IB. Chill mode (read: intentional delay of VP so TMO could catch up) lasted much longer than we thought it would.

The difference with TMO chill mode and Tr chill mode are the players. When TMO goes into chill mode the core players with all the loot stay around or take small breaks and come back to get more people loot.

In IB/TR the core players would leave after they got loot and not come back until a new expansion.

You are such a tinhat tho. Its like saying Velious is being intentionally delayed so BDA could catch up. Guess we will be waiting another 10 years.

[quido]

Some guilds have taken a good chunk of stuff for a week or two, but no one has really been able to consistently dominate anything against us except maybe Faydedar at this point, and that streak is over.

[Tarathiel]

Recuit whom when 4/5 of the server hates us? I just don't know how we will ever find new players.

/fret

in most case's pixels win over morals, im sure TMO has no shortage of applicants, amirite catt?

[Thana8088]

in most case's pixels win over morals, im sure TMO has no shortage of applicants, amirite catt?


So that's why you are playing here, to accumulate morals?


No wonder thou sucketh.

[Alarti0001]

So that's why you are playing here, to accumulate morals?


No wonder thou sucketh.

All of his name calling and gay bashing... this must be morally positive ?

[Godefroi]

They tried to keep up their "we're dominate, fuck you" status and let the minor losses get to them. Then because of that, they did something most of them didn't want to do... they joined up with VD for warm bodies.

In the end, TR killed themselves. Instead of saying, fuck it we're going out on top, they lowered themselves to try and keep competing.

TMO will just recruit and keep fresh faces while they require it.

I must specify that TR's decline was prior to VP's release. TMO had for long been getting atleast 50% of the traks before VP's release, I'd say for atleast 5 months or so.

TMO getting 40 to 50% of the global targets is what accelerated TR's decline prior to VP's release. However the release beefed our roster with old players coming back, for one month, or so...giving us just enough muscle to create the rotation, early broken by us and this is when TMO totally started their domination.

I'm sorry to say TMO's current stance towards the raiding scene is literally similar to TR's stance prior to their decline. We could have 70 people in fear within 7 minutes for CT at TR's peak glory, it was totally retarded.

6 months later, IB and VD are in fear, both guilds could barely bring 25 to 30 people (that's still 60 people), to wipe twice with the zone desync and see TMO get the CT kill, first bile, and DD's epic and #1 necro epic. However, then, TR/IB's roster had reduced by 60%, the 70 people had become a core of 25-30....

You know that was I'm underlining here is quite accurate, as the wait for velious is mechanically reducing TMO's quality players, and hence their game play, whilst other guilds of motivated folks to gear their mains is increasing.

You and I know p99 is cyclic, for one simple reason, people get bored by pharming, some who don't just are no lives. p99 is all about breaks and come back. That's why i'm quite confident about TMO's downfall.

Will the raiding scene be less retarded with the new alpha wolves, not really sure.

Let's wait and see

[Thana8088]

All of his name calling and gay bashing... this must be morally positive ?

I think he thinks it's ok if you proclaim yourself "neutral" first.

[Tarathiel]

All of his name calling and gay bashing... this must be morally positive ?

name calling and gay bashing?? provide evidence young lawyer, me calling you a super douche doesnt count

[Alarti0001]

You have become worse at Detect Sarcasm! (-1)

Its so hard on the internet without voice tones and facial expressions.

[Autotune]

I must specify that TR's decline was prior to VP's release. TMO had for long been getting atleast 50% of the traks before VP's release, I'd say for atleast 5 months or so.

TMO getting 40 to 50% of the global targets is what accelerated TR's decline prior to VP's release. However the release beefed our roster with old players coming back, for one month, or so...giving us just enough muscle to create the rotation, early broken by us and this is when TMO totally started their domination.

I'm sorry to say TMO's current stance towards the raiding scene is literally similar to TR's stance prior to their decline. We could have 70 people in fear within 7 minutes for CT at TR's peak glory, it was totally retarded.

6 months later, IB and VD are in fear, both guilds could barely bring 25 to 30 people (that's still 60 people), to wipe twice with the zone desync and see TMO get the CT kill, first bile, and DD's epic and #1 necro epic. However, then, TR/IB's roster had reduced by 60%, the 70 people had become a core of 25-30....

You know that was I'm underlining here is quite accurate, as the wait for velious is mechanically reducing TMO's quality players, and hence their game play, whilst other guilds of motivated folks to gear their mains is increasing.

You and I know p99 is cyclic, for one simple reason, people get bored by pharming, some who don't just are no lives. p99 is all about breaks and come back. That's why i'm quite confident about TMO's downfall.

Will the raiding scene be less retarded with the new alpha wolves, not really sure.

Let's wait and see

TMO roster literally twice of what IB's was. TMO also has less "elitests" that leave after they gear and return to get the new gear before leaving again.

TMO is literally one big ass family-raid guild. Their model is completely different than IB's guild model. Their stances are very similar tho.

TMO will last, unless it implodes.

[quido]

I <3 TMO

You guys rule!

[Autotune]

Way to take a stand and make an unequivocal statement bro.

I mean, not die out slowly like IB did.

More like, some super guild drama that causes it to split or what have you.

[Eccezan]

http://i.imgur.com/am4hn.gif

[Jayko]

The guild names may change, but the drama is always the same. Surprised how many of the same names are still playing this, given that...and my God Abraham is still training people?

[Harmonium]

<object width="560" height="315"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/1F4sqKpkIZo?hl=en_US&amp;version=3&amp;rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/1F4sqKpkIZo?hl=en_US&amp;version=3&amp;rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="560" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object>

[Heebee]

The guild names may change, but the drama is always the same. Surprised how many of the same names are still playing this, given that...and my God Abraham is still training people?

Naw, the IB vs DA drama was better. :-)

[Godefroi]

I mean, not die out slowly like IB did.

More like, some super guild drama that causes it to split or what have you.

TMO is a phantastic pharm machine.

Depriving TMO to distribute to FE , BDA , FC, Europa, etc wtv might aswell kill it.

Repeatedly post poning Velious might aswell do so.

There are a lot of things that can kill TMO over time, which is a good thing as the server will perhaps be more balanced once they are gone or with a shrinked roster.

:)

[Joroz]

thats silly talk... new members get a great deal when a guild is in farm status on everything... shit will hit the fan when SoV comes out and it factions between those that get the new gear and those that think they should get it.... with returning players coming back for the new expansion and the already huge roster its going to be a lot of grass is greener on the other side of the fence type shit.

[Alarti0001]

thats silly talk... new members get a great deal when a guild is in farm status on everything... shit will hit the fan when SoV comes out and it factions between those that get the new gear and those that think they should get it.... with returning players coming back for the new expansion and the already huge roster its going to be a lot of grass is greener on the other side of the fence type shit.

Lol like any other guild here could kill anything past Vindi

[fishingme]

Lol like any other guild here could kill anything past Vindi

It's EQ, not rocket science.

[Halfelfbard]

Idiots. Train themselves then blame Aalpha, who is a badass.

Ur bard should have ran a circle around to draco from the side, a bard is clearly faster than a monk. DUR.

[quido]

I pooped my pants.

[BigSlip]

I pooped my pants.

probably cause u eat some shit called chipoltle like 18 times a week.

heh

[Halfelfbard]

Plop. Quido can cook like a mofo tho.

[quido]

I no longer live across the street from Chipotle =(

[Kaino]

i never saw chipotle when i lived in MI =(

[Yapas]

http://p2.storage.canalblog.com/22/40/984828/80022128_o.jpg

With Baguette !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Alarti0001]

It's EQ, not rocket science.

Apparently you have never seen FE or BDA raid

[fishingme]

Apparently you have never seen FE or BDA raid

with how much time you spend on the forums, have you?

[Alarti0001]

with how much time you spend on the forums, have you?

You should do some research.

Did you know that you can play EQ in a windows mode? This allows you to surf the "web" and play a game at the same time! Its amazing. Not to mention I only spend time on the forums during working hours with the sometimes exception of a check or two when some good TMO hate is going on.

Also, I was in BDA so ya.