Necro raid viability

[Dakidd4990]

Hey guys. I'm relatively new to the community. Just recently started up on P99 and made a DE Necro currently lvl 14. My question to you guys is how viable are necros at the endgame/raiding scene? I've been told they're pretty much useless for raiding. Only really good for spamming mana battery on healers. Is this true or someone exaggerating? If this is true. What class would you guys recommend that's able to solo relatively well but is still desired for raiding at lvl 60? I play quite a bit during the day while at work and not many people are online the same time as me. So if I don't play a class that's able to solo decently I'll never hit 60. But at the same time I don't want to hit 60 and have no raid guilds interested in me either. Any advice would be really appreciated! Thanks in advance :)

Times like these I wish I had high lvl friends to PL me :P

[cearobinson]

Well, if this is anything like back in the day Necros are amazing in raids due to their high and consistent DPS in longer fights. Small group viability has always been a little lacking as their damage in short fights is very low. Twitching was always a necessary job as a Necro but I had it mastered where I could twitch while maintaining my DoTs.

I loved my Necro back in the day as I always had a spot in raids and in my off time I could solo pretty much anything (which is great for twinking alts!).

[gotrocks]

Necro's are a utility class on raids.

They have a place in raids for sure.

[Splorf22]

Part of the problem necros have is the mindboggling nerf of all lifetaps last summer owing to the ivandyr's hoop idiocy where 40 knuckledraggers would just hoop a dragon down (32000/(150x5). I still have no idea why they didn't just fix the hoop (change cast time to 20s or whatever, or even just remove the effect) rather than nerfing all lifetaps. I'm told the Scimitar of Lifestealing doesn't even proc in VP because the spell is just disabled :D

[Aedin]

twitch plz

[Nordenwatch]

The only high level dungeon necros can't do enormous amounts of DPS in is chardok. If you think necros are bad in small group settings you have never grouped with a good necro. Also, sky is the only planar raid where necros can't charm.

[Elements]

Necros also bring a reqired buff DMF to certain raids.

[Zapatos]

Necros are excellent dps on longer fights. They're wipe protection since they can feign and rez. With their harmshields, they can make it through dangerous places, feign, and rez for tactical setups, ie getting a coh Mage planted in sleepers. They can heal themselves on AE fights via life sucking nukes and dots. They can help keep cleric CH wheels going on and on, which comes into play when you have wheels needing to last 10-40minutes depending on the fights in velious.

They're also amazing soloers. So yes, necros are viable.

[Autotune]

you most likely won't be casting on any targets as a necro on p99 (there are like 2 or 3 iirc that you can tap)

However, there are many other things necros are good for. twitching, buffs, pulling, training, counter training, corpse retrieval, reviving clerics, charm dps, healing, etc.

[Vexenu]

Part of the problem necros have is the mindboggling nerf of all lifetaps last summer owing to the ivandyr's hoop idiocy where 40 knuckledraggers would just hoop a dragon down (32000/(150x5). I still have no idea why they didn't just fix the hoop (change cast time to 20s or whatever, or even just remove the effect) rather than nerfing all lifetaps. I'm told the Scimitar of Lifestealing doesn't even proc in VP because the spell is just disabled :D
I really don't understand the logic behind this decision, either.

Why nerf a core (essential, really) class ability instead of a single item?

It would be like if an item gave a charge of FD that people were using to train, so FD was nerfed across the board.

http://cdn.head-fi.org/7/71/71b14a93_jackie-chan-meme_thumb7.png

[Autotune]

I really don't understand the logic behind this decision, either.

Why nerf a core (essential, really) class ability instead of a single item?

It would be like if an item gave a charge of FD that people were using to train, so FD was nerfed across the board.

http://cdn.head-fi.org/7/71/71b14a93_jackie-chan-meme_thumb7.png

I don't think it's so much that the spells are set wrong as it is that raid targets MR is wrong.

[nilbog]

Part of the problem necros have is the mindboggling nerf of all lifetaps...

I still have no idea why they didn't just fix the hoop (change cast time to 20s or whatever, or even just remove the effect) rather than nerfing all lifetaps.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=731319&postcount=27

[Autotune]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=731319&postcount=27

well they say all, but there are a few that you very well can land taps on 100% of the time.

reading through some of those people's stories, they say they can tap inny and CT... That's not happening on p99, mine have always been resisted against them.

[Kruel]

Necros are needed in the raid scene. That said they are VERY boring to play - you will be a mana battery and "sometimes" be able to use a pet. Your pet hardly damages the mob and doesnt resist most AEs (dies fast). The only fun thing is when the raid dies and you get to drag 40 bodys to a safe spot - now thats hella fun =P

[Elements]

Hey guys. I'm relatively new to the community. Just recently started up on P99 and made a DE Necro currently lvl 14. My question to you guys is how viable are necros at the endgame/raiding scene? I've been told they're pretty much useless for raiding. Only really good for spamming mana battery on healers. Is this true or someone exaggerating? If this is true. What class would you guys recommend that's able to solo relatively well but is still desired for raiding at lvl 60? I play quite a bit during the day while at work and not many people are online the same time as me. So if I don't play a class that's able to solo decently I'll never hit 60. But at the same time I don't want to hit 60 and have no raid guilds interested in me either. Any advice would be really appreciated! Thanks in advance :)

Times like these I wish I had high lvl friends to PL me :P

Are classes are "viable" on raids and have role to play. However several are more essential than others. Necros fit into the "others" category.

[Splorf22]

Whoops, looks like big Nilbog is taking me to classic school.

[hdawg06]

This period on live was basically a deadzone for necros. They basically just twitched. Kind of boring, but whatever. Great for the clerics!

[Dakidd4990]

Thanks a lot for all the info guys. Really helped out. I think I've decided to stick with the necro for now. If i decide later that i want something better for raiding at least I'll havr a char to supply plat and twink gear for a different char.

[Striiker]

Yeah necros used to be able to Tap on anything.. In 99 I watched a very low level Necro on Live kill a Hill Giant in North Karana once. He had the giant hung up on the Wizard spire, running in place (before they changed things so the mob would warp through the geometry). He'd cast Life Tap and sit down to meditate. It took him forever but he eventually won and got the kill..

Regarding Necros in end content Raids. They are most certainly needed. As mentioned, they are a supporting class primarily. They will be twitching clerics and helping with CR's. You should define what it is that you are interested in for end content raids. If you want to be more involved in the action, roll a melee class. Remember though that you have a LOT of time ahead of you to get to the end content so pick a class that you will enjoy for that ride instead of worrying over the end raiding stuff..

[Rumzuck]

necro = some dps, twitching, DMF, in some raids doing FD/rez with the mage to skip things, or FD on a wipe to rez a cleric but yeah.. the main part of your job is leeching mana (mind wrack) and twitch your fellow healers and chanters :)