Phinigel Autropos

[Splorf22]

I'm thinking about trying to get this guy solo or duo on my enchanter, which isn't quite as easy as the old two-mage-chain-pet-of-death routine. So I have a few questions:

Is he slowable/mezable/stunnable?

Is the cancel magic effect a proc or a recast?

Is it resistable?

Is it single target or AoE?

[SamwiseRed]

you are going to die

[senna]

you are going to die

Just because you can post in every thread doesn't necessarily mean you should. With that said, your posts aren't really adding anything to the forum except negativity and flames at other posters. Hopefully a mod sorts you out soon as you're obviously unable to handle yourself.

[SamwiseRed]

senna on suicide watch because people posting on forums. shouldnt you be makin sandwiches?

[hdawg06]

you are going to die

I concur.

[senna]

senna on suicide watch because people posting on forums. shouldnt you be makin sandwiches?

hah, it has nothing to do with people posting and everything to do with you just being a terrible poster- obviously lacking any sort of filter and trying to crap on every thread. Anyway this thread isnt the place to discuss it, I had just finished viewing a few other threads you tarded up and then saw this fresh one.

[Splorf22]

you are going to die

What exactly is the point of this post?

[gotrocks]

I absolutely love the name senna. is that your in game characters name, too?

^^ yes this post is pointless, but i had to ask.

Good luck on the solo/duo attempt, splorf. if anyone can pull it off im betting its you!

[Faron]

hah, it has nothing to do with people posting and everything to do with you just being a terrible poster- obviously lacking any sort of filter and trying to crap on every thread. Anyway this thread isnt the place to discuss it, I had just finished viewing a few other threads you tarded up and then saw this fresh one.

he's an ultra alpha red player and can't resist the urge to show off his carefree attitude in all threads. This place is much better if you give that ignore button a little exercise.


Also, Lor I'd love to come watch you do this.

[TempleOfLife]

you are going to die

with that attitude of course he will

thats not the samwise that used to bravely and boldly and defend the shire with me

:(

[SamwiseRed]

I literally think he is going to die trying this solo. Sorry I didn't type out an essay in apa format that would conclude you are going to die

[nalkin]

Let me plis just provide some visuals so we have an idea about the mob we are dealin with and then we can continue the discussion from there.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2ds1ftu.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/zl2l3o.jpg


and heres anime version
http://formula119.com/eqtaa/animated_phinigel.gif

[Boilon]

I'm thinking about trying to get this guy solo or duo on my enchanter, which isn't quite as easy as the old two-mage-chain-pet-of-death routine. So I have a few questions:

Is he slowable/mezable/stunnable?

Is the cancel magic effect a proc or a recast?

Is it resistable?

Is it single target or AoE?

-he is slowable/not mezable I really don't think/ not sure un stun, I know push can interrupt spell cast of course.

- cancel magic is a recast not sure on the time though, never actually timed it as i use the silly mage method

- not resistable (at least with 170... maybe if you have bard MR never tested this)

- pbaoe dispel

[Lexical]

Also, Lor I'd love to come watch you do this.

Yes! Please at least fraps even if it doesn't work out. You have to give all the young enchanters something to inspire to after all :P

[Tippett]

why in nalkins pic to the seahorses look like humans

and to OP, just get 2 mages

[Handull]

and to OP, just get 2 mages

the journey is the destination

[Ambrotos]

Dispelled, Summoned, Dead. I think this is the order it will happen! Good luck tho sir!

[Kindadar]

The toughest part you will probably run into is manipulating the four swirlspine seahorses to allow you room to move in. I tried this a couple times solo on Kindadar with some success (training them and using succor). My closest attempt was 42% with Alawen training the guards away while using a ravenous stiletto tooth piranha to go in. It was a rather brief fight, and I am fairly certain had i not timed a bad bracer click, it could have been a kill.

The aoe is a PBAoE. Freezing winds perhaps? I believe it's 500 damage, but is not resistable. You can tap him for mana to hope run him oom. He doesn't hit very hard but with the AoE and casting, damage adds up quickly.

Good luck!

[-Catherin-]

Phingel's dispell on a charmed pet is absolutely nothing you need to worry about. you just need to order your pets buffs appropriately so that your charm isnt at the top.

so...

charm a pet (charm is currently now the top slot) drop a ton of dummy buffs on it other than one simple fast casting dummy buff (like see invis)...

now drop your charm and root your pet. root takes the top slot. recharm pet. now your charm is way on the bottom after a ton of other buffs.

pull phingel. at his first dispell he will drop your root. replace root with see invis and recast see invis every time he dispells so that he never makes it to your charm spell down near the bottom. Dead fish.

Tried and True. done it on phingel, as well as ragefire

[Swish]

I wonder if he tires of seafood?

[tekniq]

big loraen....

he has pretty tough MR...you can land spells on him though.

i believe he dispells everytime he hits your pet, i don't think it's a recast. I found this out when my pet gets dispelled when i put DS on it.

he'll dispell your charm and then you'll die...i think it's impossible to charm a pet bc he will dispell it right away.

he has a magic/iced base spell, i think they do around 700-1000 dmg. not sure about the aoe though.

[Autotune]

your pet will get dispelled, unless you were somehow able to stack his MR up to 300 or so and still have him charmed, then you might get lucky and he resist the several times he is going to have the dispell cast on him during the fight.

He casts that pbaoe quite often and it has a decent size range, so even having to recharm once is going to spell disaster for you.

Because then you'll get summoned & dispelled and even if you manage to live long enough to recharm, he will still be beating on you and dispelling you.

[Tecmos Deception]

Autotune doesn't know how great Loraen is :)

[Autotune]

Autotune doesn't know how great Loraen is :)

If he has a ton of mana, he might be able to chain stun phinny (if he is stunnable) and let the pet kill him.

I don't think phinny can be stunned tho.

[Splorf22]

OK its amazing what a troll thread this has become. I LOVE IT.

More seriously, my original plan was to pseudomage him down with the animation and a mage partner and use the aoe to aggro my pet without getting destroyed. That's why I asked if it was aoe or single target. I'm pretty sure this can work.

I don't think I can truly solo him according to the solo artist challenge rules because as Kindadar said the guardians are really badass - they seem to be totally MR immune? Or are they just belly casters? I tried it once and I was thoroughly pwned.

I've tried your buff strategy Catherin (it's how we killed the overking with 4 pets) but if he dispells every hit I'm not sure I can keep them up. Did you actually kill him solo this way or was it just enough buffage?

[Calabee]

uh... phinny dispells 4 buff a time, why would it be different for a pet.

[Slave]

Yes, I highly doubt Catherin or anyone else has killed Phinigel here with that strategy.

[Handull]

only way i can think to get to him solo would involving binding near him (if thats possible in kedge), training the guards as far as you can and wc capping, then gating back down and beating the guards to phiny. tho i wouldn't blow your TD bind for that, heh

[Slave]

only way i can think to get to him solo would involving binding near him (if thats possible in kedge), training the guards as far as you can and wc capping, then gating back down and beating the guards to phiny. tho i wouldn't blow your TD bind for that, heh

That would get you down there withOUT a pet. Now he has to kill that nuking dispelling bellycaster with an animation. hmmm...

[Handull]

That would get you down there withOUT a pet. Now he has to kill that nuking dispelling bellycaster with an animation. hmmm...

park a pet at your bind point, gate, pull pet down with you, easy. also he talked about using an animation as another option.

[Slave]

park a pet at your bind point, gate, pull pet down with you, easy. also he talked about using an animation as another option.

Assuming you load it down with buffs, you now have a pet that will last about 10 seconds before it turns on you.

[SamwiseRed]

assuming no pet classes, could this guy still be duoable? what do you think the minimum needed is. dont think ive seen anyone take him down without mage pets thats why i ask.

[Slave]

assuming no pet classes, could this guy still be duoable? what do you think the minimum needed is. dont think ive seen anyone take him down without mage pets thats why i ask.

In a non-pet duo, the trick will be for your melee be level 60, have excellent resists and hps, and the other to use a Donals BP. Even if slow doesn't land, the real dangerous DPS he puts out is in the spells in the first 3 minutes.

[SamwiseRed]

i see. lets assume no donal bp or any game-breaking items. guessing you need a good 4-5 people for this?

[Holey]

1 necro 2 mages 1 cleric = GG

[Handull]

i dont see why a monk and cleric couldn't duo this easily.

and slave, u mean 10 seconds b4 phiny despells all the junk buffs and despells charm as well? kindadar said he got him down a decent % with someone training the guards, so i'd say this is duoable solo with a lot of hard work and a charmed pet.

tho i'd also say I could probably solo ixiblat and general (kith) with strings and soulfire, tho i dont really want to try. might do a test run on ixi to see how viable this is and then actually go for it at some point, but there is more to do in this game before i get to that point, heh.

[Triangle]

Phingel's dispell on a charmed pet is absolutely nothing you need to worry about. you just need to order your pets buffs appropriately so that your charm isnt at the top.

so...

charm a pet (charm is currently now the top slot) drop a ton of dummy buffs on it other than one simple fast casting dummy buff (like see invis)...

now drop your charm and root your pet. root takes the top slot. recharm pet. now your charm is way on the bottom after a ton of other buffs.

pull phingel. at his first dispell he will drop your root. replace root with see invis and recast see invis every time he dispells so that he never makes it to your charm spell down near the bottom. Dead fish.

Tried and True. done it on phingel, as well as ragefire

I question where you have tried this Catherin. I have actually tried to solo phinny and unfortunately this is not how his dispell works. Before the fight I junk buffed, HP buffed and resist buffed. As a shammy this meant I was around 12-13 buffs (leaving room for torpor etc). Upon engaging I had 0 buffs within 20 seconds. I understand that most every other mob that dispells works differently, but I can tell you that phinny is unique in this respect.

I think his dispell is a proc that happens everytime he attacks. Now what I don't know is whether the proc is aoe or not, and I do not think it is. Meaning if you somehow were to maintain agro on phinny and keep alive, your pet would be ok. The only class I can see soloing phinny is like a fantastically geared monk or warrior with puppet strings. Everyone else is either going to get the crap kicked out of them tanking phinny or will have their charm dispelled if they don't tank him.

Now as I wrote in the solo thread, on live mages could chain cast pets on phinny so long as they were able to time /pet back off to make phinny use his summon on the old pet before the new pet was cast. So like right before you new pet was about to be cast you would /pet back off, phinny would summon the old pet, and then once you kill the old pet phinny would run to you but would be met by your new pet.
However on p99, mages generate agro just by existing and phinny will not attack the new pet right away and will instead go straight at the mage. This is a bug of course and has been due to be fixed for awhile. So mages should have a chance to solo phinny but because of agro not being live-like, they are unable to here.

[Triangle]

big loraen....

he has pretty tough MR...you can land spells on him though.

i believe he dispells everytime he hits your pet, i don't think it's a recast. I found this out when my pet gets dispelled when i put DS on it.

he'll dispell your charm and then you'll die...i think it's impossible to charm a pet bc he will dispell it right away.

he has a magic/iced base spell, i think they do around 700-1000 dmg. not sure about the aoe though.

Yep all this info is credited.

[Slave]

I question where you have tried this Catherin. I have actually tried to solo phinny and unfortunately this is not how his dispell works. Before the fight I junk buffed, HP buffed and resist buffed. As a shammy this meant I was around 12-13 buffs (leaving room for torpor etc). Upon engaging I had 0 buffs within 20 seconds. I understand that most every other mob that dispells works differently, but I can tell you that phinny is unique in this respect.

I think his dispell is a proc that happens everytime he attacks. Now what I don't know is whether the proc is aoe or not, and I do not think it is. Meaning if you somehow were to maintain agro on phinny and keep alive, your pet would be ok. The only class I can see soloing phinny is like a fantastically geared monk or warrior with puppet strings. Everyone else is either going to get the crap kicked out of them tanking phinny or will have their charm dispelled if they don't tank him.

Now as I wrote in the solo thread, on live mages could chain cast pets on phinny so long as they were able to time /pet back off to make phinny use his summon on the old pet before the new pet was cast. So like right before you new pet was about to be cast you would /pet back off, phinny would summon the old pet, and then once you kill the old pet phinny would run to you but would be met by your new pet.
However on p99, mages generate agro just by existing and phinny will not attack the new pet right away and will instead go straight at the mage. This is a bug of course and has been due to be fixed for awhile. So mages should have a chance to solo phinny but because of agro not being live-like, they are unable to here.

He's exactly right, in all paragraphs. Except the monk and warrior would be blown away by DPS, even with Soulfire. I think only a chain-clicking 60 Cleric with Donals BP, enormous amounts of hps and magic/cold resist with Puppet Strings has a chance, and they would have to be mind-blowingly lucky to never miss a channel or get interrupted by push.

Torpor = dispelled. Dead Shamans.
Charm = dispelled. Dead Enchanters and Stringers.

[Alawen]

All of this speculation is inconsistent with what Kindadar saw in the fight. I would point the naysayers toward the solo artist challenge thread where you can read about many seemingly unwinnable fights won solo by Loraen and others. Today we were messing around with a three-man Fear break. The learning curve is pretty wicked, but I'm pretty sure we'll get it down.

Yes, you have to get lucky to win these fights with one or two people. You don't get lucky if you don't try.

[astuce999]

When I used to solo him during Luclin as a bard the key point was to mez and drain him.

I don't know if he is flagged differently on p99, but it's worth a death to find out, non?

'stuce

[Autotune]

All of this speculation is inconsistent with what Kindadar saw in the fight. I would point the naysayers toward the solo artist challenge thread where you can read about many seemingly unwinnable fights won solo by Loraen and others. Today we were messing around with a three-man Fear break. The learning curve is pretty wicked, but I'm pretty sure we'll get it down.

Yes, you have to get lucky to win these fights with one or two people. You don't get lucky if you don't try.

3 man fear break?

Enchanter, Necro, Druid (or Shaman). Should be pretty easy.

[Slave]

All of this speculation is inconsistent with what Kindadar saw in the fight. I would point the naysayers toward the solo artist challenge thread where you can read about many seemingly unwinnable fights won solo by Loraen and others. Today we were messing around with a three-man Fear break. The learning curve is pretty wicked, but I'm pretty sure we'll get it down.

Yes, you have to get lucky to win these fights with one or two people. You don't get lucky if you don't try.

No, there is a lot of misinformation in this thread by people who have claimed to fight him. He does NOT have an AOE. His dispell is NOT anywhere weak enough to be able to keep pets charmed. I question almost anything else said by these people who don't seem to be able to get basic things about the mob correct.

[-Catherin-]

I question where you have tried this Catherin. I have actually tried to solo phinny and unfortunately this is not how his dispell works. Before the fight I junk buffed, HP buffed and resist buffed. As a shammy this meant I was around 12-13 buffs (leaving room for torpor etc). Upon engaging I had 0 buffs within 20 seconds. I understand that most every other mob that dispells works differently, but I can tell you that phinny is unique in this respect.

I never once claimed i could solo phinny Triangle :) I was giving advice on how to maintain a charmed pet on mobs like these with dispells. I understand this particular mob is a bit different than others too. You can manage some pretty creative things if you put your mind to it. While I would say a solo is pretty unlikely, i still think it possible.

Phinny its a trick of dealing with the shear amount of dispells. Ragefire is much easier when it comes to that, but then there is a problem with the fear. Can maintain a charmed pet super easily but it has low Mr to begin with and is feared most of the time. I havnt really figured out a way around that. if i could, i could duo with a cleric

[Tecmos Deception]

Phingel's dispell on a charmed pet is absolutely nothing you need to worry about. you just need to order your pets buffs appropriately so that your charm isnt at the top.

...

at his first dispell he will drop your root. replace root with see invis and recast see invis every time he dispells so that he never makes it to your charm spell down near the bottom. Dead fish.

...

Tried and True. done it on phingel


What you said made it sound like it is a simple thing to do, that it has been done, that it is a well-known and widely-used method, and possibly even that you had done it personally. The words in the quote above definitely do not mean "this is a way you can potentially kill some random mobs who dispel, but this probably won't work on Phinigel because of how often he dispels."

[-Catherin-]

point taken. i should know by now on these forums that everyone will pick apart the semantics of every statement made. I'll try to do better :p

[Lexical]

point taken. i should know by now on these forums that everyone will pick apart the semantics of every statement made. I'll try to do better :p

Good! You are on thin ice, buster brown.

[Lazortag]

When I used to solo him during Luclin as a bard the key point was to mez and drain him.

I don't know if he is flagged differently on p99, but it's worth a death to find out, non?

'stuce

I believe he's unmezzable on p99. I've tried to mez him a dozen or so times during fights when he was about to die (so I wouldn't die or take aggro) and it always got resisted. Maybe rapture would still work though, I have no idea.

[Ravager]

Pretty sure I resisted all of his dispels in one fight as a 60 with something like 210 mr and a bard adding to that, I'd confirm it if I could just remember where I put those logs.