Autofire and FTE. The good, the bad, and the ugly.

[Elements]

As many are probably aware often the loot from raid mobs goes to the guild who gets first to engage. This discussions is specifically targetted towards using out of game software either from your operating system, 3rd party, or special keyboars to try and get FTE on raid mobs by using autofire.

GM/devs - Is autofire allowed? If yes are there rules on when or how it can be used? If no is it enforced?

The only info I could find was a response from Utgaard a while back making it sound like it was not ok to use it while afk.

Some mght ask "Is this mechanic classic?" Well that depends on the server you played on. The Mac client has a built in autofire. You simply hold a button down and abilities fire off as soon as they refresh such as ranged attack for rangers. However the PC client did not function the same way.

The problem is that people can be afk autofire spamming on top of a raid mobs spawn to try and get FTE.

[Ele]

Sept. 2012

Programs that parse the log file are fine, as long as they do not do any type of automatic control/response/manipulation/macro on your character in place of manual control.

[Ele]

Hello,

I'm a returning EverQuest player and I have a question about using the program AutoHotkey to play EverQuest. This program has a wide range of features that allow you to rebind keys on the keyboard, rebind keys to the mouse, and execute strings of keyboard strokes according to predefined patterns.

Because AutoHotkey is so powerful, it has the potential to allow 'cheating' or 'botting' through written scripts that detect what is on the screen before executing a keystroke. However, my intent is not so malicious: I would simply like to rebind mouse movements to the keyboard. I hear that if you don't use the mouse, it is actually healthier for the hand, so I thought it would be something to try for a more positive play experience. I was also considering rebinding some EverQuest functions to keystrokes near the 'home key' region.

In light of this, are we allowed to rebind keys and mouse functions with AutoHotkey at all? Or is the use of AutoHotkey forbidden?

-Quothmar

Nov. 2011

any 3rd party program is forbidden. sorry.

[Ele]

You are correct Uthgaard weighed in back in January 2012, in response to a specific question about autofire.

If your character is doing something, and you're not around to answer, you may find yourself in some precarious situation when you return.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60006

[Autotune]

Stick with Rogean and Uthgaard, Amelinda's comment isn't accurate.

[Resheph]

The problem is that people can be afk autofire spamming on top of a raid mobs spawn to try and get FTE.

As a general rule, no MMO allows any software (hardware related or not) to perform actions while you are afk. Those that do tend to turn to crap very quickly.

[Raavak]

Just use really quick fingers and wear out some keyboards. That's classic.
I need a new F8 myself.

[Doors]

Since TMO is still playing here I would recommend getting a program for autofire until they either bury themselves or management changes the raid scene which desperately needs to happen.

[Alarti0001]

Since TMO is still playing here I would recommend getting a program for autofire until they either bury themselves or management changes the raid scene which desperately needs to happen.

BDA Member recommends cheating.... I'm not surprised.

[Swish]

As soon as one guild uses it, they'll all be using it... therefore no real advantage.

[Thulack]

There are many ways to "autofire". There are programs out there that are just button mashing programs which i have been told on live are legal aslong as you are at the computer when using them. They don't do anything to EQ code etc and were used heavy by rangers back in the day before /autofire was put into game. If something like this is what your are talking about then it should be allowed here since it was/is on live aslong as you are at the PC.

Edit: i mean legal for auotfire purposes not setting up FTE for a raid mob.

[Metallikus]

Let's not beat around the bush. We are talking about Noble Djorn - a mob that spawns exactly 7 days after it is killed. TMO uses autofire to claim FTE on this mob every week. No matter how many times it has been contested, a TMO member gets FTE on this mob every week. Apparently variance is the only thing keeping TMO from autofiring FTE on every mob in the game. Thanks variance!

[Raavak]

I got fte on Djorn about 4 weeks ago and I did it by spamming F8 with attack on. I got the first punch. No trick involved. I was casting flux staff too but my punch is what got fte.

[Ele]

Let's not beat around the bush. We are talking about Noble Djorn - a mob that spawns exactly 7 days after it is killed. TMO uses autofire to claim FTE on this mob every week. No matter how many times it has been contested, a TMO member gets FTE on this mob every week. Apparently variance is the only thing keeping TMO from autofiring FTE on every mob in the game. Thanks variance!

No.

People sit there for two-to-five minutes until the spawn time mashing their keyboards and targeting keys and leaving auto attack on.

The more people doing that, the more chances you get!

And please do not get this sent to RnF, the thread starter is seeking a serious answer to a serious question.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Let's not beat around the bush. We are talking about Noble Djorn - a mob that spawns exactly 7 days after it is killed. TMO uses autofire to claim FTE on this mob every week. No matter how many times it has been contested, a TMO member gets FTE on this mob every week. Apparently variance is the only thing keeping TMO from autofiring FTE on every mob in the game. Thanks variance!

Why would autofire be required if we know when it will spawn down to the second? If we won every single Trak FTE sock this argument might actually seem plausible.

[Alarti0001]

Let's not beat around the bush. We are talking about Noble Djorn - a mob that spawns exactly 7 days after it is killed. TMO uses autofire to claim FTE on this mob every week. No matter how many times it has been contested, a TMO member gets FTE on this mob every week. Apparently variance is the only thing keeping TMO from autofiring FTE on every mob in the game. Thanks variance!

How much glue do you swallow daily?

[Tarathiel]

How much glue do you swallow daily?

i had a pretty good joke for this, but ill save it for rnf
































































































































































































































semen

[Metallikus]

Why would autofire be required if we know when it will spawn down to the second? If we won every single Trak FTE sock this argument might actually seem plausible.

Well I was thinking the opposite. Trak spawns and randomly agroes whoever is near before anyone can target him and punch or use a spell. So the fact that Noble isnt KOS, and TMO gets FTE everytime but doesnt get FTE everytime on Trak poops, is why I bring Noble into this debate.

[Alarti0001]

Well I was thinking the opposite. Trak spawns and randomly agroes whoever is near before anyone can target him and punch or use a spell. So the fact that Noble isnt KOS, and TMO gets FTE everytime but doesnt get FTE everytime on Trak poops, is why I bring Noble into this debate.

Trak attacking someone = fte?!?!?

[August]

For what it's worth I read Alarti's posts in the voice of George Clooney and Tarathiel's voice as mike myers.

And Knuckle is brad pitt in ocean's 11.

I have to remind myself that no, tomtee, these aren't celebrities.

[Metallikus]

Trak attacking someone = fte?!?!?

are you trolling? every FTE ruling has gone by the encounter logs by which whoever the mob has agro on first, is considered FTE, which is defined as such in the raid rules that a mob is considered engaged as long as it is agro on at least one player.

[Alarti0001]

Let's not beat around the bush. We are talking about Noble Djorn - a mob that spawns exactly 7 days after it is killed. TMO uses autofire to claim FTE on this mob every week. No matter how many times it has been contested, a TMO member gets FTE on this mob every week. Apparently variance is the only thing keeping TMO from autofiring FTE on every mob in the game. Thanks variance!

Are you"?

[Relapse2]

"auto fire" shit has been going on for along time now. First case of it used against me was back in the poopsock days of ol' ragefire

[Elements]

So how many out there are using this tactic right now. C'mon own up.

[Alarti0001]

So how many out there are using this tactic right now. C'mon own up.

Just Metallikus and Relapse

[Elements]

Just Metallikus and Relapse

I don't see either of them here. Socks full?

[cyryllis]

wait no one told me about auto fire...damn all these nobles I've just been spamming /target noble hotkey which is bound to half my keys and another hotkey that casts instant cast clickies


its really easy to get FTE when you have an entire guild doing the same thing