Mormon Flowchart

[Hasbinlulz]

Probably on reddit 1st page.
Fuck TMO.

http://i.imgur.com/t2ojna2.png

[Tarathiel]

i used to live in a town that was 80% mormon, i can confirm that they are every bit as crazy as this diagram implies

[OforOppression]

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[Swish]

Fuck, I wonder what a Mormon monthly household phone bill looks like with all those women :D

[Ephirith]

In high school I used to live across the street from a Mormon house. Their daughters were p sexy. They were intelligent and successful, but sometimes people who are otherwise logical and functional get caught up in some pretty outlandish belief systems-- it's hard to escape your upbringing and your community.

I often fantasized about corrupting them with my secular agnostic lifestyle and worldview. They went off to BYU and I think one is a doctor and the hotter one is a wife and mom.

They could have lived in darkness with me, man.

[Ephirith]

Oh, also the leader of Mormonism personally ordered the massacre of European settlers then scapegoated it onto one of his lackeys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_meadows_massacre

[Hailto]

In high school I used to live across the street from a Mormon house. Their daughters were p sexy. They were intelligent and successful, but sometimes people who are otherwise logical and functional get caught up in some pretty outlandish belief systems-- it's hard to escape your upbringing and your community.

I often fantasized about corrupting them with my secular agnostic lifestyle and worldview. They went off to BYU and I think one is a doctor and the hotter one is a wife and mom.

They could have lived in darkness with me, man.

An agnostic is just an indecisive atheist. How can one really be UNSURE if something as big as the idea of a god exists or not, if there is no concrete evidence of it, why are you unsure, if there is evidence, you aren't agnostic.

[OforOppression]

deism is the way of the future

[Arclyte]

An agnostic is just an indecisive atheist. How can one really be UNSURE if something as big as the idea of a god exists or not, if there is no concrete evidence of it, why are you unsure, if there is evidence, you aren't agnostic.

It always amuses me when hipster militant atheists try to shoehorn agnosticism.

fuck off, honestly.

[Hitchens]

Fuck, I wonder what a Mormon monthly household phone bill looks like with all those women :D

You'll have to join the FLDS to find out. But be warned, the gene pool is quite shallow.

[feriokun]

You do realize that the multiple wives thing is the FLDS and not the LDS church, right?

The LDS church banned polygamy a very long time ago. Do people just not know this or do they refuse to acknowledge it because its humorous?

[Hailto]

It always amuses me when hipster militant atheists try to shoehorn agnosticism.

fuck off, honestly.

You don't have to get defensive, im not trying to shoehorn you into admitting what you're too afraid to say if you consider yourself agnostic. Im simply saying i don't understand the thought process of the agnostic. If someone were to ask you if big foot or the loch ness monster were real, would you really answer "i don't know"? It is the exact same concept.

If the evidence is there, then you have a belief, if the evidence is not there then you do not hold a religious belief, making you an atheist. There is really no middle ground in this argument unless you are incredibly indecisive or unintelligent.

[Hitchens]

I love wingnut fights.

[Arclyte]

You don't have to get defensive, im not trying to shoehorn you into admitting what you're too afraid to say if you consider yourself agnostic. Im simply saying i don't understand the thought process of the agnostic. If someone were to ask you if big foot or the loch ness monster were real, would you really answer "i don't know"? It is the exact same concept.

If the evidence is there, then you have a belief, if the evidence is not there then you do not hold a religious belief, making you an atheist. There is really no middle ground in this argument unless you are incredibly indecisive or unintelligent.

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[Slave]

There is no middle ground in a religious discussion. ROFL

[Hailto]

There is no middle ground in a religious discussion. ROFL

There is no middle ground when talking about something as basic as the existence of god. Either you believe God exists, or you don't. Do everyone else a favor and stay out of rational discussion if you can't even make up your mind over something so basic as that, "i don't know" is not an acceptable answer for the reasons i previously outlined.

Regardless, archlyte has responded to my argument by comparing me to an entity from a fantasy series, im not sure where we can go from here.

[OforOppression]

i dont know if star wars existed

[Itap]

god is great, beer is good, and people are crazy.

[hatelore]

In high school I used to live across the street from a Mormon house. Their daughters were p sexy. They were intelligent and successful, but sometimes people who are otherwise logical and functional get caught up in some pretty outlandish belief systems-- it's hard to escape your upbringing and your community.

I often fantasized about corrupting them with my secular agnostic lifestyle and worldview. They went off to BYU and I think one is a doctor and the hotter one is a wife and mom.

They could have lived in darkness with me, man.

You sound like....me! But I can say, my lady's ex is a mormon and hes a pretty damn good guy. But I was raised to always ignore them and the crazy people that knocked on the door. I got no beef with them though, Joseph smith was a fake, but hey we all need something to believe in I guess.

[hatelore]

One thing I can say is, they are pretty close knit. But I went to a few boy scout events at some Mormon churchs and they seemed like really nice people. Very family oriented and smart about stocking food lol.

I could see myself being a Mormon. If they paid me enough. =P

[Safon]

One thing I can say is, they are pretty close knit. But I went to a few boy scout events at some Mormon churchs and they seemed like really nice people. Very family oriented and smart about stocking food lol.

I could see myself being a Mormon. If they paid me enough. =P

So you'd be a Mormon in name only. Lol you realize they have a whole whack of batshit insane beliefs they would expect you to conform to right

Mormons are scum

[Safon]

Well that's probably too harsh, some are nice people, just dillusional and willingly buying into a racist/sexist religion

[hatelore]

Yeah but I would have money :( Girls like money :( I want to be a mormon

[hatelore]

I will agree, Joseph smith is a fraud. But you got to admit, they know how to stock food! And they would give me a lot of money! I like money, then I can buy me some candy, or meth. Whichever is cheapest. Allah Akbar.

[August]

I hate RnF but I see a moment here where I can shed some light.

There are 2 dimensions of faith and belief. They are:

Gnostic vs Agnostic

&

Theistic and Atheistic

Theism implies a belief in a God. Atheism implies in a disbelief in God.

Gnosticism claims that there is evidence supporting existence/non-existence. Agnosticism claims that there is no evidence that he/she/it exists.

So when comparing 'Agnostic' to 'Atheism' realize that you are in fact incorrect and are comparing apples to aliens.

So, how can we define these types?

Gnostic Theist - Believes God exists and that there is evidence to back it up. You would probably call these people Christians, Muslims, Jews, what have you. They have their 'holy book' that is 'proof' that he exists. Get it?

Agnostic Theist - Believes that God exists but that there is no proof. This means they can't be Christians or Muslims or Jews, else they'd have to shy away from their texts. This is often referred to as Deism, Paganism, etc. Many former girlfriends would call this 'being spiritual' - it's also similar to believing in santa claus.

Agnostic Atheist - Believes that God does not exist nor does he care if he exists. This person doesn't see any proof that he exists one way or another, and has decided that he must not be there. This is what is called being logical - I see no proof of existence, therefore there must be proof. Most people would call this classification 'agnostic'.

Gnostic Atheist - These are the assholes that want to tell you why you're wrong. They believe God is a sham and that there is proof that he doesn't exist -i.e. famine, world wars, child molesters, and the universe being infinite, etc. It's possible to be a gnostic atheist and not be an asshole to everyone around you at all times that is even slightly religious, but it's pretty hard. We'd refer to these are 'militant atheists'. Check our reddit's /r/atheism and this is what you'll find.

I really hope this cleared up everyone's confusion.

[August]

Also I hate how you can't edit...

***there is no proof therefore he can't exist***

Thanks and have a wonderful day. Noodly Applendage bless you all.

[Ephirith]

An agnostic is just an indecisive atheist. How can one really be UNSURE if something as big as the idea of a god exists or not, if there is no concrete evidence of it, why are you unsure, if there is evidence, you aren't agnostic.

Yea this is correct, and I'm well aware of this whole criticism of agnosticism. The reason I put agnostic instead of atheist is simply because:

1. Agnosticism admits the insufficiency of explanation found in belief systems (Atheism, theism). It is the acknowledgement of unknowable truth.

2. If there's a word for the attitude "I'm atheist, but I acknowledge the factual insufficiency and inherent unknowableness of atheism", well that's me.

3. That makes me an agnostic atheist.

4. I didn't want this to turn into a discussion

I don't have anything against theists, many of my best friends have been religious people and of all the best people I've actually met, the majority were christian.


Agnostic Atheist - Believes that God does not exist nor does he care if he exists. This person doesn't see any proof that he exists one way or another, and has decided that he must not be there. This is what is called being logical - I see no proof of existence, therefore there must be proof. Most people would call this classification 'agnostic'.

This basically

I still reserve the right to bash cultlike scam religions with prophets known for their tall tales.

[Arclyte]

which one is the humility/"I don't know" option

[August]

which one is the humility/"I don't know" option

You'd be Agnostic Atheist, or what we would call 'agnostic'. Since you 'don't know', that certainly doesn't mean you think God exists (theist), and you don't know (no proof) so you'd definitely be agnostic.

Usually you would expect to end up on the negative in a case of 'not knowing'. Faith (theism) is an assertion that you do know.

[Pico]

my body belongs to rodcet

[Pico]

verginity too

[Heavydrop]

Oh, also the leader of Mormonism personally ordered the massacre of European settlers then scapegoated it onto one of his lackeys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_meadows_massacre

Yeah... Because wikipedia is reliable. (not)

[Heavydrop]

Well that's probably too harsh, some are nice people, just dillusional and willingly buying into a racist/sexist religion

It is neither, but you're entitled to your less than informed opinion

[Pico]

It is neither, but you're entitled to your less than informed opinion

im open to all sexual orientations and religious backgrounds and would liek for u to convert me and possibly fellate me

[OforOppression]

Yeah... Because wikipedia is reliable. (not)

Hey, look, someone who's trapped in 2001! Look, everyone!

[patriot1776]

got kicked out of book of mormon play on broadway after getting wasted in nyc with hillibillie from sz

[leezard]

I just hit I on my keyboard. Confirmed agnostic.

[Safon]

It is neither, but you're entitled to your less than informed opinion

Are you Mormon or just defending the religion on principle

[Hailto]

The only point im making here is that i would wager there are very few people who simply "don't know" if big foot or the flying spaghetti monster exists. However, when we broach the topic of god we treat it as a special case, when it really isn't. The burden of proof is upon those making the claim.

[Hailto]

Yeah... Because wikipedia is reliable. (not)

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