my NoS for your Selo Drum

[Taboo]

see above

[Twain]

Worst deal ever. Selos drum worth 2-3 NoS broski

[skorge]

got that backwards bro, two selos should be worth 1 NoS...

http://wiki.project1999.org/index.php/Selo%60s_Drums_of_the_March

http://wiki.project1999.org/Necklace_of_Superiority

20k vs 40k....

Taboo should offer his NoS for a Selo's + plat if anything

Do some research on what an item is worth before you post...even though the prices are blue, its the ratio that matters 2-1

[heartbrand]

Poster above me has no idea how the economy works on red, hence why he thinks he will get a fungi for a NoS and Locket of Escape, meanwhile, Heartbrand one of top three richest people on Red, performs deals daily, confirmed Romney status on red99.

[hagard]

You need a lesson in Econ HB.
Market is saturated with drums.
Sever has very few bards.
Drums wont sell for 60k.
More drums than bards.

[Flipmode]

Fungi = how many drops each day, like 3-5?

NoS = small chance of getting one every 24 hours
Locket = does not drop

no offense, but common sense is more valuable than what people THINK items are worth

[hagard]

selo common as fuk

[Twain]

NoS worth about 25k currently. Selos Drums drop off dragons. Only 1 guild kills dragon. That guild sells drums for 60k. Someone's math is wrong.

25+25 = 50
25+25+25 = 75
50 < 60 > 75

[hagard]

you're from kentucky I dont expect much from you intellectually

[heartbrand]

It doesn't matter how common they are when one guild has them all and can control the flow of supply into the marketplace, aka supply and demand, nihilum controls the supply and can therefore artificially inflate the demand and hence the price pal, it doesn't matter if they had 400 drums.

NoS was over farmed on this server with 6+ being pumped into the game each day, I myself have six NoS'es, I also have three lockets which really serve almost zero purpose for a variety of reasons including the fact that at least in Nihilum we have to rebind each week for VP so we don't have a big reason to trade phat platz or itemz for that Locket to then lose that bind a week later anyway.

Fungi is rarely camped anymore btw, I think last night was the first real fungi group we've done in nihilum in a long ass time and even that was only for like 3 PH's. Fungi has a utility value that far exceeds the other items mentioned, etc., etc., blah blah, hence why there's 100 WTB Fungi threads, almost no WTS Fungi threads, but yet I can buy a NoS in 5 minutes in game if I wanted to @ 20k.

[hagard]

6 NOS a day? Drusellas a what 4 hour respawn now?

[heartbrand]

When Kubark went live

[hagard]

luckier than xploit

[heartbrand]

People just don't get, this isn't blue, the prices for items on blue are meaningless, they have zero relevance here for a variety of factors.

1) There's no market here for low-mid range items. It's just not worth farming or selling items of this caliber here.

2) The type of items in demand here are different than blue due to it's nature as a PVP server.

3) Red has been dominated by one single raid guild which has literally 98.9% of all raid loot in the game, they also have like 90% of the wealth on this server. That means when you're trying to sell your high end items, your target market is usually Nihilum, but they already are decked out in end game gear. This makes selling things here much more difficult, and it's why I choose to farm mainly resist gear which has a broad market base as opposed to individual items which are far more difficult to sell.

4) Because this is a PVP server and it's a low pop server, people can simply camp many of the items that are on permafarm status on blue and not drop any plat, further lowering the value on many items that would sell on blue.

5) Legacy items have diminished value here such as manastones, NoS, etc., because so many of them flooded the market place with so little a pop.

[Taboo]

I think its fair simply because NoS best in slot and used by all. Drum best in slot for bard only.

[heartbrand]

Also, NoS becomes obsolete day one Velious, an item like Fungi retains it's value indefinitely.

[mwllowyellow2]

The more post I read from you heartbrand the more I'm disappointed in you as a fellow human being. You have become the Emperor of bitching non-stop.

[heartbrand]

I am providing free advice from a Box Emperor who holds an advanced doctorate in EverQuest Economics, if anything I should write off my services as a tax-deductible charitable contribution worth approx $750/hr

[mwllowyellow2]

If anything you should stop posting making yourself look like an ass.

[heartbrand]

No one said Box Emperor was a popularity contest

[mwllowyellow2]

Your rising with Ender faction in my book.

[heartbrand]

Pal, if you can't take forum troll in good jest I can't help you. At least my troll persona doesn't involve posting your cell # or address ;)

[mwllowyellow2]

No it just involves you posting RL pictures of Supreme, but hey your in nihilum now.

[heartbrand]

RL pictures of Supreme? wut? I haven't posted RL pictures of ANYONE.

[mwllowyellow2]

Not what I've been told

[heartbrand]

You've also told people Nizzar runs a RMT cartel, that we delete zone files to get out of VP and use an "exploit" which is currently a feature, Invis Pulling, to do a lot of raids, and that Mendan spent $1000 on a mistwalker. Sounds legit.

[mwllowyellow2]

So your denying having tune and someone invis pull the royals in chardok?? As far as the mendan thing goes i can care less what you believe 90percent of nihilum knew what happened. As far as nizzar how much do you think peridots and potions cost every month??

[hagard]

so basically what you're saying is, the server economy is shit because nilly are jew-traders?

[Twain]

Mellow, I dont know if you understand that this is a Trading thread and not an RnF thread. Please leave your trolling for a different thread as this relates to trading. If you have something to say about trading, please do so.

I do not need to explain my point as HB took care of that for me.

At this point, your best bet is to speak with the only 2 owners of Selo drums outside of Nihilum. Lite and Deadlynotes.

[skorge]

It doesn't matter how common they are when one guild has them all and can control the flow of supply into the marketplace, aka supply and demand, nihilum controls the supply and can therefore artificially inflate the demand and hence the price pal, it doesn't matter if they had 400 drums.

NoS was over farmed on this server with 6+ being pumped into the game each day, I myself have six NoS'es, I also have three lockets which really serve almost zero purpose for a variety of reasons including the fact that at least in Nihilum we have to rebind each week for VP so we don't have a big reason to trade phat platz or itemz for that Locket to then lose that bind a week later anyway.

Fungi is rarely camped anymore btw, I think last night was the first real fungi group we've done in nihilum in a long ass time and even that was only for like 3 PH's. Fungi has a utility value that far exceeds the other items mentioned, etc., etc., blah blah, hence why there's 100 WTB Fungi threads, almost no WTS Fungi threads, but yet I can buy a NoS in 5 minutes in game if I wanted to @ 20k.

Only read the first sentence...this is why Nihilum isn't able to sell dragon loots and have 10+ selos; their pricing is way off. Don't get me wrong, I really like the idea that Nihilum is starting to sell their loots now (thanks to Niz's posts) but you have to know what an item is worth otherwise it just won't sell. This is why Nihilum has so many multiple copies of x item.

[hagard]

mith legs 4k when dude on another thread has em posted for 2.5k? thats jewconomics at its finest. although im not suprised rmt is a very profitable gig

[mwllowyellow2]

Mellow, I dont know if you understand that this is a Trading thread and not an RnF thread. Please leave your trolling for a different thread as this relates to trading. If you have something to say about trading, please do so.

I do not need to explain my point as HB took care of that for me.

At this point, your best bet is to speak with the only 2 owners of Selo drums outside of Nihilum. Lite and Deadlynotes.

I understand fully what it is I was responding to HB comments. Also not sure you guys can really talk about following the proper procedures since all my threads are hit daily with such and such is rmt'ing, but thats ok right since it's nihilum? Also Twain please stop acting like you've been playing this game from day 1 you and gream been here a month but act like your OG.

[heartbrand]

That's what your not getting. Nihilum doesn't need to sell any of these items because it doesn't really need the platinum, and in all honesty it's really not in their best interest to sell items of considerable power to people not in the guild. However, nonetheless they've decided to open the bank somewhat to the masses. You can accept the price given or you have no chance of ever obtaining the item or getting it from someone else. It's take it or leave it. You can't complain the price isn't accurate when they're the only show in town, they set the price pal. Hence why in normal economies we punish monopolies as unfair to consumers.

[Nirgon]

^ posts still managing to become more immersive by the day.

[heartbrand]

Hold time becoming greater as day time goes on. My immersion has a direct correlation with my hold with the IRS. Currently it's @ 3 hours and six minutes. If I hit the four hour mark I may don a real life Fungi Tunic and craft myself two wurmslayers.

[Nirgon]

SS or it didn't happen

[mwllowyellow2]

That's what your not getting. Nihilum doesn't need to sell any of these items because it doesn't really need the platinum, and in all honesty it's really not in their best interest to sell items of considerable power to people not in the guild. However, nonetheless they've decided to open the bank somewhat to the masses. You can accept the price given or you have no chance of ever obtaining the item or getting it from someone else. It's take it or leave it. You can't complain the price isn't accurate when they're the only show in town, they set the price pal. Hence why in normal economies we punish monopolies as unfair to consumers.

Never had a problem with them not opening the bank it's the guild loot.

[Twain]

I understand fully what it is I was responding to HB comments. Also not sure you guys can really talk about following the proper procedures since all my threads are hit daily with such and such is rmt'ing, but thats ok right since it's nihilum? Also Twain please stop acting like you've been playing this game from day 1 you and gream been here a month but act like your OG.

I do not hit your threads daily with rmt comments. Also, I don't act like anything but myself. I'm sorry that I come off OGish to you. Maybe you have some kind of issue you need to deal with. I'll keep doing me and you just keep hating.

This is a simple case of Supply and Demand. If someone wants the item bad enough, they will pay what is required to purchase said item. Why you want to argue anything else is beyond pointless.

[mwllowyellow2]

Are you dumb?? I never once said anything about the prices. I simply stated don't expect the guild to see any of the plat. As for you acting OGish lol, you die to an under con sk in an outdoor zone so you loss massive points for being relevant in this game.

[skorge]

Hence why in normal economies we punish monopolies as unfair to consumers.

Yep and the reason why monopolies fail also (just take a look at the Madden franchise). People stop buying shit and ultimately it hurts everyone in the end. I suggest Nihilum start selling their items for fair prices, for the good of the server. Not having a healthy economy is killing Red and makes people coming over from blue hesitate to continue playing here.

At this point in the game, on Red, a NoS > Selos. Your stance is that people farmed the hell out of it. So. So did people on blue and its still worth 45k there over 2/3 the value of what a fungi tunic is worth.

I think alot of it has to do with the fact that Nihilum (and a few others) don't have a clue what items are worth, partially because all they have done is sat by their batphones and raided dragons. I like how HB is on here professing about the economy and value of items...when in reality he has little experience on selling/trading items here, and it surely shows.

[mwllowyellow2]

Yep and the reason why monopolies fail also (just take a look at the Madden franchise). People stop buying shit and ultimately it hurts everyone in the end. I suggest Nihilum start selling their items for fair prices, for the good of the server. Not having a healthy economy is killing Red and makes people coming over from blue hesitate to continue playing here.

At this point in the game, on Red, a NoS > Selos. Your stance is that people farmed the hell out of it. So. So did people on blue and its still worth 45k there over 2/3 the value of what a fungi tunic is worth.

I think alot of it has to do with the fact that Nihilum (and a few others) don't have a clue what items are worth, partially because all they have done is sat by their batphones and raided dragons. I like how HB is on here professing about the economy and value of items...when in reality he has little experience on selling/trading items here, and it surely shows.

Lets be honest this is loot that is there and they do have an monopoly, tbh I don't have a problem with the prices. They can't gear every single person on the server for cheap I mean if that happened they'd lose all their raid targets in the future.

[skorge]

They can't gear every single person on the server for cheap I mean if that happened they'd lose all their raid targets in the future.

Don't guess you read my comment. I said fair, not cheap. I'm asking Nihilum to sell their items for fair prices, not cheap.

[Twain]

Are you dumb?? I never once said anything about the prices. I simply stated don't expect the guild to see any of the plat. As for you acting OGish lol, you die to an under con sk in an outdoor zone so you loss massive points for being relevant in this game.

Everyone makes mistakes sir. I got raped by a red con mob after taking that sk to 20% and him trying to camp out of pvp. He got a lucky snare in and waited for the mob to get me to 10% before he spamed HT so big deal lol. This coming from the worst pvper on the server just makes me LOL. Mellow, the guy that dies 10 times for every death. Mellow down x4, logs on alt, dies x2, logs another alt, dies x2, logs back to mellow, dies x2 more.

[hagard]

he spamed HT
not possible

[Nizzarr]

Yep and the reason why monopolies fail also (just take a look at the Madden franchise). People stop buying shit and ultimately it hurts everyone in the end. I suggest Nihilum start selling their items for fair prices, for the good of the server. Not having a healthy economy is killing Red and makes people coming over from blue hesitate to continue playing here.

At this point in the game, on Red, a NoS > Selos. Your stance is that people farmed the hell out of it. So. So did people on blue and its still worth 45k there over 2/3 the value of what a fungi tunic is worth.

I think alot of it has to do with the fact that Nihilum (and a few others) don't have a clue what items are worth, partially because all they have done is sat by their batphones and raided dragons. I like how HB is on here professing about the economy and value of items...when in reality he has little experience on selling/trading items here, and it surely shows.

lol you're out of your mind

[Rettii]

I can confirm that I traded a selo drum to Lite for a NoS.

Call me Robin Hood.

[skorge]

lol you're out of your mind

naw, you're just not that smart

[Dullah]

Yep and the reason why monopolies fail also (just take a look at the Madden franchise). People stop buying shit and ultimately it hurts everyone in the end. I suggest Nihilum start selling their items for fair prices, for the good of the server. Not having a healthy economy is killing Red and makes people coming over from blue hesitate to continue playing here.

At this point in the game, on Red, a NoS > Selos. Your stance is that people farmed the hell out of it. So. So did people on blue and its still worth 45k there over 2/3 the value of what a fungi tunic is worth.

I think alot of it has to do with the fact that Nihilum (and a few others) don't have a clue what items are worth, partially because all they have done is sat by their batphones and raided dragons. I like how HB is on here professing about the economy and value of items...when in reality he has little experience on selling/trading items here, and it surely shows.

Your blue server reasoning doesn't apply here. The level of competition is much higher on any pvp server - this shits srs man, we ain't friendly. The only competition on a blue server is who can amass the greatest number of players to zerg down content. On a red server, your goal is to prevent your competition from even being capable of killing you, let alone competing for raid targets.

Consider Nihilum the United States or r99. If we even think you're trying to enrich uranium, we will level your little shanty huts to the ground. If we do sell you weapons, we will make sure its ones that don't present a threat to us, at a price that benefits us more than you.

Even Mellowyellow understands this, and he has the IQ of a houseplant.

[raka]

Your blue server reasoning doesn't apply here. The level of competition is much higher on any pvp server - this shits srs man, we ain't friendly. The only competition on a blue server is who can amass the greatest number of players to zerg down content. On a red server, your goal is to prevent your competition from even being capable of killing you, let alone competing for raid targets.

Consider Nihilum the United States or r99. If we even think you're trying to enrich uranium, we will level your little shanty huts to the ground. If we do sell you weapons, we will make sure its ones that don't present a threat to us, at a price that benefits us more than you.

Even Mellowyellow understands this, and he has the IQ of a houseplant.

Well done sir. I am now pre-ejaculating again.

[mwllowyellow2]

Everyone makes mistakes sir. I got raped by a red con mob after taking that sk to 20% and him trying to camp out of pvp. He got a lucky snare in and waited for the mob to get me to 10% before he spamed HT so big deal lol. This coming from the worst pvper on the server just makes me LOL. Mellow, the guy that dies 10 times for every death. Mellow down x4, logs on alt, dies x2, logs another alt, dies x2, logs back to mellow, dies x2 more.

Let me get this straight I die a lot and I suck at this game? is this correct? I'm so bad at this game that I literally had to quit Nihilum, so disliked that I had to quit Nihilum. Yea you got me Twain I have died once in 1v1 pvp since kunark came out how about yourself?? Stop acting like your relevant to this server when you only log on for raids. I have literally never seen you in game out side of nihilum list cut short since I left.

[Kilbur]

Why does twain even talk about prices? Or brag about anything here.. He's played for what a month? He has been given every piece of loot he has. He is also a bard. Bards first pvp tactic is to RUN away. I don't know who has been carried harder .. Gream or twainz.. Better hope that nihilum nipple doesn't run dry..