Parallel PvP Teams Server still Desired, Please Nilbog, Sirken, and Rogean

[Toehammer]

Threads last week were a huge step in the right direction:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=95419 and http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=95531

Red 99 is truly an impressive PvP server, however it is clear from those threads that:
1) A teams PvP server is highly desired by the non-trolling P99/Red99 community.
2) There would be support from Nilbog and Sirken, and Rogean is a pre-requisite to get anything moving.
3) Red99 was not really ruined, but it is bittersweet to play on a server that was plagued with exploits, cheaters, guard assist problems, and griefers.

I never played PvP EQ back in the day but the first couple weeks of Red99, even with some broken mechanics/cheating, was by far the most fun I ever had in any video game. The mass exodus of players in the first months were mostly due to the cheating/griefing. Hard coded teams I can see fixing this griefing server mentality that Red99 has. I think a general community consensus is that the following is highly desirable:

0) HARD CODED TEAMS
1) Item loot (minus primary/secondary/range or no drop items) and no exp loss on PvP death
2) Either +/- ~5 levels for PvP with /consider only returning a blue/white/red con referring to below/within/above PvP range respectively... or complete open level PvP.
3) Either classic exp (I like this) or the current scaling exp bonus on Red99.
4) Yellow text/leader board or at least public kill:death ratios for each player.
5) TURN OFF THE ABILITY to go /anonymous! /roleplay is good enough! Silly Red99 guilds hiding behind a /anon tag. REPUGNANT!
6) A test server for a month or so to get the hype up, iron out server/team/balance wrinkles, and fix some resists or other semi-broken stuff.

Things that are debatable:

1) global /ooc . Perhaps the >level 10 solution is the way to go. Maybe > level 20 or people who are below 50 % on the leader board have like a 10 min refresh between /ooc messages... encourages good trash talking/competition.
2) Exactly how the teams are split up. There were some good suggestions in the two other threads.
3) Remove hybrid exp penalty (controversial and not classic I know, but the playerbase demand seems to be huge, and is somewhat justified).

I am not suggesting any thing to definitely NOT have. Although I think the exp on PvP death is generally not well liked by the players. Almost all of the above suggestions do not tarnish a "classic" experience, and would probably catapult the server to success.

As always, keep the thread classy (fat chance). Nilbog/Sirken were actually supporting this until the thread was overrun by trolls. Again, this is not a wipe (too late for that), not Red 99 v2.0, this is P1999 PvP Teams.

There is definitely enough community support to get it going.

-El Speedo Bandito!

[Tomatoking]

there will never be teams

ever

move on

[Nirgon]

Server won't have trolls confirmed

Actually probably mostly trolls because I'm rolling team evil

[Tomatoking]

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haha nirgon furiously refreshing forums to shit out comments and he dont even play here

time to move on bro

[Nirgon]

Yeah you needed to move on too:

steaks was banned 3 months after i stopped playing him

they tried to say it was for other stuff but literally was 3 months or more.

Of course i was still very active on the forums !

Took me 2 seconds, but kind of like when a gnat bites you, you swat it. I'm super intimidated by someone with an extra couple of chromosomes trying to get 100k red for his garbage shadowknight. Keep bumping that post, no one thinks you are retarded.

Wish forum pvp had item loot.

[SamwiseRed]

there will never be teams

ever

move on

why so negative? you attack YT for not being classic then pras global ooc. eh?

[Nirgon]

At least Lulz acts retarded on purpose.

Unfortunately, Heartbrand's fraps on him doesn't lie.

[Nirgon]

Sig

[Salem Orchid]

Speak for yourself, I'm pretty sure I'm part of the red99 community and I prefer FFA over teams any day.

[Erebus]

I have a crazy idea to prevent griefing (outside of training mobs that is): reverse pvp exp loss. killing a player subtracts from your exp O_O. Nope, not gunna happen.

[Nirgon]

Hopefully we stop doing ideas and start doing more classic. I'm sure we could all think up a ton of great custom ideas.

But you wouldn't have a classic eq pvp box.

[Tomatoking]

Nice job wasting however long you spent writing that, what a waste!

i like this guy even if he smokes pills

[AffEcT]

I think a lot of ppl are against a team server. Why?
Because it kinda sucks. What if some guy is taking a camp and talking shit?
Well you wanna kill him right? But ooh wait you cant because he is on your "team".

[funhorroryes]

why not have an FFA server which moves all red and blue characters to servers for a week kinda like the discord server. you die you lose everything and return to level 1 (but your main stays on your server)

[Prince]

I think a lot of ppl are against a team server. Why?
Because it kinda sucks. What if some guy is taking a camp and talking shit?
Well you wanna kill him right? But ooh wait you cant because he is on your "team".


have u ever heard of the fabled "train?"

[Rettii]

no teams just let us use area effect and not kill frends

[Rushmore]

Server is thriving and people want to split the 100 people we got playing onto 2 servers! It wouldn't be a waste if we had say 500 people playing on the server. Please Stop !

[AffEcT]

no teams just let us use area effect and not kill frends

I agree!

[Bamzal Sherbet]

Threads last week were a huge step in the right direction:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=95419 and http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=95531

Red 99 is truly an impressive PvP server, however it is clear from those threads that:
1) A teams PvP server is highly desired by the non-trolling P99/Red99 community.
2) There would be support from Nilbog and Sirken, and Rogean is a pre-requisite to get anything moving.
3) Red99 was not really ruined, but it is bittersweet to play on a server that was plagued with exploits, cheaters, guard assist problems, and griefers.

I never played PvP EQ back in the day but the first couple weeks of Red99, even with some broken mechanics/cheating, was by far the most fun I ever had in any video game. The mass exodus of players in the first months were mostly due to the cheating/griefing. Hard coded teams I can see fixing this griefing server mentality that Red99 has. I think a general community consensus is that the following is highly desirable:

0) HARD CODED TEAMS
1) Item loot (minus primary/secondary/range or no drop items) and no exp loss on PvP death
2) Either +/- ~5 levels for PvP with /consider only returning a blue/white/red con referring to below/within/above PvP range respectively... or complete open level PvP.
3) Either classic exp (I like this) or the current scaling exp bonus on Red99.
4) Yellow text/leader board or at least public kill:death ratios for each player.
5) TURN OFF THE ABILITY to go /anonymous! /roleplay is good enough! Silly Red99 guilds hiding behind a /anon tag. REPUGNANT!
6) A test server for a month or so to get the hype up, iron out server/team/balance wrinkles, and fix some resists or other semi-broken stuff.

Things that are debatable:

1) global /ooc . Perhaps the >level 10 solution is the way to go. Maybe > level 20 or people who are below 50 % on the leader board have like a 10 min refresh between /ooc messages... encourages good trash talking/competition.
2) Exactly how the teams are split up. There were some good suggestions in the two other threads.
3) Remove hybrid exp penalty (controversial and not classic I know, but the playerbase demand seems to be huge, and is somewhat justified).

I am not suggesting any thing to definitely NOT have. Although I think the exp on PvP death is generally not well liked by the players. Almost all of the above suggestions do not tarnish a "classic" experience, and would probably catapult the server to success.

As always, keep the thread classy (fat chance). Nilbog/Sirken were actually supporting this until the thread was overrun by trolls. Again, this is not a wipe (too late for that), not Red 99 v2.0, this is P1999 PvP Teams.

There is definitely enough community support to get it going.

-El Speedo Bandito!



Nothings gonna change. Whens the last time you logged in btw?

[heartbrand]

I think there's potential for change here, unfortunately, Rogean gets the final call on the pvp box because this one is "his" even though he has privately admitted to me he really doesn't give a fuck about this box (can't blame him) and that the players here are dumb dumb's (paraphrasing). Nilbog on the other hand really wants to enact some change but is @ the mercy of Lord Rogean.

[Ebony]

I would LOVE a teams PVP server as long as teams are balanced.

For me Team PVP is as much better then ffa pvp as ffa pvp is better then blue.

But it's all what Heartbrand said.

[Rettii]

this one is "his" even though he has privately admitted to me he really doesn't give a fuck about this box (can't blame him) and that the players here are dumb dumb's (paraphrasing).

Sure

[Nirgon]

I think Mr. Rogean needs to realize we got off to a rocky start and people were bitter as hell. EQ PvP server can (is) a high impact environment.

Things are improving here from what I can tell, just needs a lil dev tweakings.

If he's looking for entertainment, it is coming and he can learn to love this box.

[Handpartytowel]

no teams just let us use area effect and not kill frends

+1

[Stasis01]

would love to do an AOE grp +++

[Handpartytowel]

pvp server tainted from the start by evil spiderqueen amelinda's corruption + fat. time for a red dawn on box99. give full control to sirken. pay indian consultants $1/hr to fix resist code.

[Bamzal Sherbet]

pay indian consultants $1/hr to fix resist code.

[Toehammer]

Nothings gonna change. Whens the last time you logged in btw?

Unfortunately you are probably right, but I still have hope that things will improve. More realistic resists and yellow text/leaderboard/kill:death ratio would make things awesome. Maybe if a yellow text kill:death ratio was instituted ONLY for new characters, we would have lowbies leveling up and PvPing together. I dunno, running out of new ideas... I think all the good ideas have already been presented to Rogean.

I log in probably once a week, to see what's going on, maybe kill a few monsters or look for some 50-60 pvp. However, a combination of the lame /ooc, 30 /anon <Nihilum>, 20 /anon <Vae Victus, RD, Full Retard, wtf ever it is now>, and a bunch of twinks running around raping true newbs or plugging makes me realize how retarded it is.

But yes, as Rushmore said, server thriving... just a couple weeks ago it was 20 /anon <Nihilum> and 10 <flavor of the month> running around. :rolleyes:

By the way, the whole talk of "splitting the server" is horse sh!t. People either crave pixels or PvP judging by the community. People who don't like PvP would come back to Red99. People who like PvP and want a non-tainted server would start over. More would come back. Perhaps you might lose 10% of ACTIVE red99 players. Most people posting here don't play too much any more, the active Red99ers are on that server for the long haul. But a split? That is unrealistic.

[Tomatoking]

pvp server tainted from the start by evil spiderqueen amelinda's corruption + fat. time for a red dawn on box99. give full control to sirken. pay indian consultants $1/hr to fix resist code.

indians would get griefed off the box before logging in by assholes

they would be like yo these kids are so mad fuck this lets go

[Dark Team]

OP's ruleset + FV droppable gear = best server ever.