XP = SLOW....

[Justown]

I was told the xp was increased from 1-50 on Red99.....im lvl 8 and its taking forever. Is this going to be fixed?

[Justown]

If the XP is going to stay this way, new players will quit....new players would spend months getting to 50 while everyone who enjoyed the XP bonus will be geared out the ass....

[Twain]

From what I have heard, the patch killed the exp bonus. I do not know if this was intentional.

[SamwiseRed]

without xp bonus losing xp to pvp is gonna sting like a mother fucker.

[Justown]

yeah, i just started back up and trying to figure out if its going to stay this way, too time consuming this way.

[Smedy]

Not happy with the current server situation? Here's the universal explanation to all questions you may have:

Shits classic

[SamwiseRed]

yesterday my ping was below 50, not classic please throttle back my connection

[Justown]

So now everything is supposed to be classic, how about a week ago when 1-50 had a huge xp bonus? Your point isn't valid.

[Jezibell]

So now everything is supposed to be classic, how about a week ago when 1-50 had a huge xp bonus? Your point isn't valid.

calm yourself, epics got put in, this outweigh youre return. xp broken, rogean logged in daily, shit will be fixed.

[Justown]

I'm calm, I'm not the one who used size 50 font.

[Jezibell]

If the XP is going to stay this way, new players will quit....new players would spend months getting to 50 while everyone who enjoyed the XP bonus will be geared out the ass....

[BigSlip]

kind of sucks without the exp bonus. its definitely off...

def dont plan on leveling any till its put in ( the little pve i do anyway )

[Handpartytowel]

was there an xp bonus for 50+ as well? seems like raptors giving about 1/2 the xp. perhaps because they are no longer animals they are now worth less xp, i dont know.

[Twain]

kind of sucks without the exp bonus. its definitely off...

def dont plan on leveling any till its put in ( the little pve i do anyway )

Pretty sure the exp bonus only worked to 50? Why don't you level freez or cheeseycakes?

Tyva confirmed not quading until fixed. Hell levels already suck.

[Nirgon]

Sounds like a case of the "I can't handle classic EverQuest" fever and the "I'm gonna quit" flu.

Predominant in the WoW generation.

You can put in a 6,000% xp bonus and you STILL CANT SOLO A MELEE to 60.

Start with some friends (have people to group with) or play a solo class (requires no grouping, hence the term solo).

[Jezibell]

Sounds like a case of the "I can't handle classic EverQuest" fever and the "I'm gonna quit" flu.

Predominant in the WoW generation.

[SamwiseRed]

Sounds like a case of the "I can't handle classic EverQuest" fever and the "I'm gonna quit" flu.

Predominant in the WoW generation.

hey if we are gonna go classic xp then lets go classic no xp loss on pvp death and a 4 level pvp range

[Nirgon]

Sounds good.

All of this sounds classic and hey it works.

[Justown]

Jezibell is a complete tool, thats what I've learned from this thread thus far.

[Twain]

MacroQuest is classic.

[Jezibell]

Jezibell is a complete tool, thats what I've learned from this thread thus far.

confirmed

[Rettii]

I'm calm, I'm not the one who used size 50 font.

lol

[SamwiseRed]

MacroQuest is classic.

in pdm around luclin, yea prob hehe

[Twain]

in pdm around luclin, yea prob hehe

=)

[Tippett]

you guys do realize fast exp was probably the main draw that was getting people to start on this server right?

also the fact 97% of the server got to rape it to level 60 is kinda bs, (especially that first 5 days after kunark launch shit was like 300% or something retarded)

[SamwiseRed]

the gap in levels in gear on this server feels like the US gap in wealth.

[philbertpk]

Bottom line, shit blows bros...for the noobs like myself at least. for all the box legends it merely solidifies their position as unmovable from the top. must be nice.


im sure they will "fix" it...damn patches..

[Tomatoking]

Play on grand creation , exp is GREAT and you get an ability that doubles exp for a half hour usable every 18 hours

can get virtue 1400hp buff at level 1
C3-C5 and great shaman focus from buffbots in guild lobby

AND no to mention theres actually stuff to do when you log in , as opposed to red99 where no raid mobs are up and even if you are nihilum you get to kill 1 crappy thing per day and then log off.

[SamwiseRed]

i now support Nirgon 100%

i want a classic rz server. period. im sick of this hybrid monstrosity its neither sz or rz up in here. i am ready to risk it all, are you?

[Smedy]

"risk it all" shit those pixels sure means a lot

[SamwiseRed]

risk it all bro, you want my 55hp rings? come and get em

[Smedy]

wouldn't take em from the defender of the shire dog, i am a pal of the samwise family

[Nirgon]

i now support Nirgon 100%

i want a classic rz server. period. im sick of this hybrid monstrosity its neither sz or rz up in here. i am ready to risk it all, are you?


Welcome to the light Samwise
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg54/Angel_Day/inclouds.jpg


I have some news for all you guys thinking eqclassic is going to fix things or be your "way out". They have years and years for support from their sickeningly BLUE forum moderators and everyone else over there supporting NO PVP EVER.

This is probably your last hope for a good EQ PvP box, like it or not. It deserves to be done right and to have at least open discussion from classic pvpers on what is wrong with the server and the direction it needs to go in.

1 - 4 level pvp range. I'm 56 and rising, I have no problems fighting 60s. The unwashed lvl 52 masses (oh no old world content is light blue) don't need to be sunstriked, or blown up with duelist disciplines.

2- XP loss on death. I can't imagine this being a melee outside of a clique. This had a place in classic while people were still levelling up, more active, and there wasn't the 54+ xp grind. 3% lost then is nothing compared to 3% lost now.

3 - Item loot after resists are brought more in line. People should have to RISK precious resist gear to have an advantage (Hi, I have a full resist set now and am a wizard currently abusing the shit out of this resist system). Not just be able to blindly engage with the only "risk" being having to grind back 3% xp in 60 with their no lifer friends. It's also a reason for people who aren't in big raid guilds to log in... and well something to log in for other than taking 3% from someone through PvP. Nilbog is greatly in favor because he does love classic EQ, however, we're offering a big hand in resolving resist issues in Null's absense. I've gone through the spell file as he suggested and will post my findings and questions (need at least some small code snippets to keep going).

[SamwiseRed]

my bad i was kinda just calling anyone out in general, i could never fight the lord and Savior of classic everquest.

[SamwiseRed]

Welcome to the light Samwise
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg54/Angel_Day/inclouds.jpg


I have some news for all you guys thinking eqclassic is going to fix things or be your "way out". They have years and years for support from their sickeningly BLUE forum moderators and everyone else over there supporting NO PVP EVER.

This is probably your last hope for a good EQ PvP box, like it or not. It deserves to be done right and to have at least open discussion from classic pvpers on what is wrong with the server and the direction it needs to go in.

1 - 4 level pvp range. I'm 56 and rising, I have no problems fighting 60s. The unwashed lvl 52 masses (oh no old world content is light blue) don't need to be sunstriked, or blown up with duelist disciplines.

2- XP loss on death. I can't imagine this being a melee outside of a clique. This had a place in classic while people were still levelling up, more active, and there wasn't the 54+ xp grind. 3% lost then is nothing compared to 3% lost now.

3 - Item loot after resists are brought more in line. People should have to RISK precious resist gear to have an advantage (Hi, I have a full resist set now and am a wizard currently abusing the shit out of this resist system). Not just be able to blindly engage with the only "risk" being having to grind back 3% xp in 60 with their no lifer friends. It's also a reason for people who aren't in big raid guilds to log in... and well something to log in for other than taking 3% from someone through PvP. Nilbog is greatly in favor because he does love classic EQ, however, we're offering a big hand in resolving resist issues in Null's absense. I've gone through the spell file as he suggested and will post my findings and questions (need at least some small code snippets to keep going).

agree, lets get classic and be men about it.

[Justown]

bump

[gloinz]

exp bonus is broke lowbies everywhere are sad. I am basing this off of constant complaining in OOC from everyone, my paladin's xp bar moves so slow I can't be sure.
HELP US ROGEAN YOU ARE OUR ONLY HOPE

[Galacticus]

Confirmed. I spent last weekend leveling an iksar necro through 31-35. This weekend been helping level an ogre shaman from 31-32. Killing the same mobs I killed with the necro in the same zone. The xp seemed like it was cut in half or worse. Spent time soloing to try it out, then did a full group hoping for bonus xp in sol a. No luck,3 hours grinding for like half
a yellow from 31-32. This is my ogre with less of an xp penalty then an iksar killing the same mobs. I am not the only one who noticed it right after the patch.


I have no desire to level at this snails pace and prolly won't log in until it's fixed.

Hopefully that's soon.

[Nirgon]

No bonus is classic. Mr. T would be ashamed.

However, I feel your pain on a somewhat sparsely pop'd box (it's improving..).

[Galacticus]

If the xp bonus was taken out and reversed you would only be in your 30s nigron.




Welcome to the light Samwise



I have some news for all you guys thinking eqclassic is going to fix things or be your "way out". They have years and years for support from their sickeningly BLUE forum moderators and everyone else over there supporting NO PVP EVER.

This is probably your last hope for a good EQ PvP box, like it or not. It deserves to be done right and to have at least open discussion from classic pvpers on what is wrong with the server and the direction it needs to go in.

1 - 4 level pvp range. I'm 56 and rising, I have no problems fighting 60s. The unwashed lvl 52 masses (oh no old world content is light blue) don't need to be sunstriked, or blown up with duelist disciplines.

2- XP loss on death. I can't imagine this being a melee outside of a clique. This had a place in classic while people were still levelling up, more active, and there wasn't the 54+ xp grind. 3% lost then is nothing compared to 3% lost now.

3 - Item loot after resists are brought more in line. People should have to RISK precious resist gear to have an advantage (Hi, I have a full resist set now and am a wizard currently abusing the shit out of this resist system). Not just be able to blindly engage with the only "risk" being having to grind back 3% xp in 60 with their no lifer friends. It's also a reason for people who aren't in big raid guilds to log in... and well something to log in for other than taking 3% from someone through PvP. Nilbog is greatly in favor because he does love classic EQ, however, we're offering a big hand in resolving resist issues in Null's absense. I've gone through the spell file as he suggested and will post my findings and questions (need at least some small code snippets to keep going).

[Galacticus]

The only thing that matters is 200+ people have had xp bonus for the last year and even more at certain times. Bonus was added for a reason, the same reason it will be fixed, to grow the population more.

Clearly we make classic exceptions. Mr. T would pitty the fool who stood by this injustice.

[Nirgon]

Okay you're going to get raced to 50 with no plat and have no gear. Problem... solved?

I guess you could farm more to straighten yourself out as a 50.

[Nirgon]

Lol nope.

I got to 50 in classic before any xp bonus was ever entered. Fact.

I survived the true grind along with the rest of the "able" Holo crew.

I was on board to make either a rogue or cleric but I was assured we had enough of those and to make a wizard because it's what I know best.

I assure you I'm a nasty lil rogue or cleric and will probs be working on an alt depending on how demanding the war effort becomes.

Fear my classicness and (previous, pending change) integrity pals.

[mwllowyellow2]

was there an xp bonus for 50+ as well? seems like raptors giving about 1/2 the xp. perhaps because they are no longer animals they are now worth less xp, i dont know.

From my understanding there was the xp bonus for 1-50 but there was an extra xp bonus on top of that for everyone.

[Tippett]

now theres none

[gloinz]

bump server needs HELP THIS IS A CODE 13 BLACKHAWK DOWN

[Suirad]

Bumping this post,
Please help the server population =D

[Tippett]

working as intended sadly confirmed =/

[Shrubwise]

Slathar confirmation is not confirmation, lolz.

[Slathar]

http://oi45.tinypic.com/ok0own.jpg

This was Guide Zade's response to my petition.

[Shrubwise]

Welp, looks like I need to take that one back. Just this once, though.

[Pitborn]

Not classic.

[Tippett]

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrhpnv99oVWx90TyutaSaeHnm2R0my5 XtCMnMF6BPNaLEE6Qh9nA

[Justown]

lol @ trying to make it classic, theres just as many things about the server that ARENT classic as things that are classic...what a joke.

[Tippett]

http://underthebutton.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/gravestone-1.jpeg

[Clearrain]

too many people were leaving the blue server

[gloinz]

only possible explanation:

guide zade trolling the troll slathar

ROGEAN help us noble ally

[Alcoholics Anonymous]

grabs one and eats it raw, eagle flys up and supports a presidential candidate

[coshea46]

This has to be fixed, I can't get my peeps to join up if its going to be this slow. This will kill server pop....

[Shrubwise]

grabs one and eats it raw, eagle flys up and supports a presidential candidate

RELEVENCE

[Alcoholics Anonymous]

Home cooked frenchfries grow legs and decide to go to a car dealership, they buy a used 96 Cadillac, they go on a road trip to California, they become musicians in an underground punk band, they become a local band in San Jose, playing at bars and such, one of the fries is introduced to heroin, he gets addicted, the rest of the fries kick him out of the band, the band comes out with an album, they find out they need the heroin addicted fry because he was a badass guitar player, the band gets in a fight, they break up. THE END

[Alcoholics Anonymous]

Now that i got that out of my system, someone sell me a damn warrior wrist

[Azzie]

Need More Exp! Well, I'm just saying it will be nice, I will play off and on as much as I can. I am lvl 5 right now. took me 4 hours. And I'm still killing shit. If I only had some friends. Alll by myssseeelllf...

[Tippett]

you would be level 12 same amount of time 3 days ago

[Alcoholics Anonymous]

Hugo the hornet

[SamwiseRed]

no xp no problem, i am truely glad i waited for xp bonus to go away before i level a group dependent class. i feed off classic, it makes me a stronger, faster, more efficient killer. keep bringing me closer to the sun dawgs, im fuckin super man and this shit is empowering me. im about to show what its like to fight a real super saiyan, and im not talking about goku.

[Tippett]

gokuu was a bitch

[Alcoholics Anonymous]

no xp no problem, i am truely glad i waited for xp bonus to go away before i level a group dependent class. i feed off classic, it makes me a stronger, faster, more efficient killer. keep bringing me closer to the sun dawgs, im fuckin super man and this shit is empowering me. im about to show what its like to fight a real super saiyan, and im not talking about goku.

To hell with Nihilum, long live the revolution!!!!http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Confederate_Rebel_Flag.svg

[SamwiseRed]

Think im playin? Leveled a mage to 47 in 4 days played grouping the entire time or duo on blue. aint nothing.

Before the patch, my power level was beyond that of a normal player but something was missing. I didnt have the drive to push forward as my opponents in battle were nothing and xp was plenty.

http://i.imgur.com/z7JRr95.jpg


After he patch i felt it. it was like something inside me snapped. power that has been hidden away in my chest waiting for a classic moment like the removal of xp bonus to occur. the bronze plated armor i had been carrying around since I was a young troll had turning into Mithril. my weapons began emitting energy and sometimes supplying me with beneficial magical properties. finally I achieved something that hasnt happened in over 1000 years. I became a super saiyan.
http://i.imgur.com/h4p0Bip.jpg

already crippling 140+, i can promise you this. someone gonna get KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2767550/knocked-the-fuck-out-o.gif

[Handpartytowel]

just turn off xp. contest epic fights with lvl 1s. hardcore.

[Tradesonred]

Sometimes it makes me think the bad decisions are intentional to make sure the pop doesnt go past 3k (the approx max pop Rogean told me a server could handle)

Are you serious about the xp? Yeah its cool if youre 56 like me in a high pop bracket youll keep trucking on but if youre starting out?

You know that population snowball effect that made me decide to put on my jersey again because pop was picking up and made me overlook the really bad xp loss in pvp thing?

It can snowball the other way around

As people stop logging in, other people stop logging in and we are back to a 50 prime time pop server again

[Galacticus]

http://media.heavy.com/media/2012/08/tumblr_m7tc19Ew831qbvx0xo1_500.gif

[Galacticus]

Nigron has casted minor fact illusion.

http://gifs.gifbin.com/1236765583_conan-kool-aid.gif

[Shrubwise]

/shrug

[Sirken]

please do not say bad things about my guides. i'm going to try and set up a play date with Nilbog and Rogean to see if we can't find a middle ground.

and by middle ground, i don't necessarily mean things that will help the 50+ crowd, so much as i mean things that could help the people that need it (ie: new players, sub lvl 50 players, etc). ideally we want new players to have fun, because at the end of the day thats what decides if people will continue playing, hit the 50+ crowd, and join gen pop.

another thing is that right now R99 (in terms of trying to compare to a live pvp server) is a Frankenstein bastard child. i will try to see if we could fully hammer down either Vallon, Tallon, Sullon, Rallos, ruleset.

i know life isn't always fair. you can play the hand youre dealt like a big boy, or, you can fold your cards and go play WoW

[Shrubwise]

i know life isn't always fair. you can play the hand youre dealt like a big boy, or, you can fold your cards and go play WoW

Prais :cool:

[SamwiseRed]

please do not say bad things about my guides. i'm going to try and set up a play date with Nilbog and Rogean to see if we can't find a middle ground.

and by middle ground, i don't necessarily mean things that will help the 50+ crowd, so much as i mean things that could help the people that need it (ie: new players, sub lvl 50 players, etc). ideally we want new players to have fun, because at the end of the day thats what decides if people will continue playing, hit the 50+ crowd, and join gen pop.

another thing is that right now R99 (in terms of trying to compare to a live pvp server) is a Frankenstein bastard child. i will try to see if we could fully hammer down either Vallon, Tallon, Sullon, Rallos, ruleset.

i know life isn't always fair. you can play the hand youre dealt like a big boy, or, you can fold your cards and go play WoW

praise praise praise

[Nirgon]

This xp was never mentioned as being temporary either. It was put in to be permanent and an offset for the xp loss in PvP. Why was it removed?

[Tomatoking]

This message is hidden because Nirgon is on your ignore list.


haha u dum

cry more about server and play on it

[Giovanni]

please do not say bad things about my guides. i'm going to try and set up a play date with Nilbog and Rogean to see if we can't find a middle ground.

and by middle ground, i don't necessarily mean things that will help the 50+ crowd, so much as i mean things that could help the people that need it (ie: new players, sub lvl 50 players, etc). ideally we want new players to have fun, because at the end of the day thats what decides if people will continue playing, hit the 50+ crowd, and join gen pop.

another thing is that right now R99 (in terms of trying to compare to a live pvp server) is a Frankenstein bastard child. i will try to see if we could fully hammer down either Vallon, Tallon, Sullon, Rallos, ruleset.

i know life isn't always fair. you can play the hand youre dealt like a big boy, or, you can fold your cards and go play WoW

Awesome post! Sullon zek with team please!

[Wamorn]

I am glad Sirken is a gm here now, seems like he actually gives a shit and is trying to help the server out.

Prais Sirken and hopefully Nilbog and Rogean will listen to him and help out.

[Galacticus]

please do not say bad things about my guides. i'm going to try and set up a play date with Nilbog and Rogean to see if we can't find a middle ground.

and by middle ground, i don't necessarily mean things that will help the 50+ crowd, so much as i mean things that could help the people that need it (ie: new players, sub lvl 50 players, etc). ideally we want new players to have fun, because at the end of the day thats what decides if people will continue playing, hit the 50+ crowd, and join gen pop.

another thing is that right now R99 (in terms of trying to compare to a live pvp server) is a Frankenstein bastard child. i will try to see if we could fully hammer down either Vallon, Tallon, Sullon, Rallos, ruleset.

i know life isn't always fair. you can play the hand youre dealt like a big boy, or, you can fold your cards and go play WoW

http://downtheroad.tunicatravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/royal-flush.jpg

[Tippett]

Sounds great Sirken, most the reason for the knee jerk reaction from most of us is because there was no warning or discussion it just happened.

Anyways thanks for the feedback man :)

[Itap]

With team rule set I see huge influx of people to R99

[Handpartytowel]

i take it that means it is going to stay for the foreseeable future aka dibs ap yi mid on league of legends.

name is handpartytowel

[Tradesonred]

All my bitching is basically for trying to make the server better

I do care about it or else i wouldnt bitch

[Galacticus]

Add a big exp bonus at least to levels below 55.

Now I know you have heard it before but lets face facts here.

We all want to obtain level 60 and get some gear and pvp.

This is the red server. We are here to pvp not because we love to pve.

Grinding exp prevents people from doing what they want here, which is to pvp.

If you love grinding exp then blue is the place where it is the primary goal.

The primary goal here is to pvp.

Exp is getting in the way.

Also 3 teams will help balance the new higher server population so it forces the two underdog teams to work together to take down the top dog team. Ensuring constant pvp and power shifts.

[Nirgon]

You think there won't be immediate attempts to xteam? :)

[Nirgon]

With team rule set I see huge influx of people to R99

I see lots of cross teaming tbh

[Tippett]

yeah im with nirgon fuck teams but with Op increase exp shit is just in the way

[Galacticus]

Might be, but there could be rules for it. Make it impossible to heal or buff other teams?

[Tradesonred]

I dont see big changes being necessary to make the server grow

Just tone down the xp loss in pvp, dont have to cut it altogether but tone it down so people can have fun pvping.

Keep the grind bearable so we can have fun making alts and tone down xp loss in pvp to help foster pvping at low lvls

There you go, its not rocket science

[InfamousTaco]

I can see why you changed your signature.

It was a picture of mr. t with 'KEEP IT CLASSIC. KEEP IT PVP'. Cool rite?

but THEN, you actually started to play the game, realized your an idiot and you suck and now your begging for exp bonuses complaining about anything and everything

edit: I don't like you

[Galacticus]

I can see why you changed your signature.

It was a picture of mr. t with 'KEEP IT CLASSIC. KEEP IT PVP'. Cool rite?

but THEN, you actually started to play the game, realized your an idiot and you suck and now your begging for exp bonuses complaining about anything and everything

edit: I don't like you

The sig was from before the server first opened and we were till deciding what the server was going to be. That was my slogan. I leveled to 50 got bored with running from zone to zone more then actually pvping with the low pop server and quit. Playing again with some friends since kunark came out and heard maybe velious eventually.

I suggested XP bonus back when the server first came out. Nothing new.

Lets be mortal enemies?

[Justown]

Sirken thanks for taking the time to reply :) . While I appreciate the response for real, I hope you guys sit down sooner than later. I'm not the only one who had several people interested in returning for some EQ PvP fun and with the XP being slow as ball again...those people are out. If it comes back in a timely manner hopefully the population doesn't decline. Again , thanks for taking the time to reply! ALL HAIL SIRKEN. A GM WHO CARES

[Yerderlayer]

Since the exp bonus has been removed to make it classic, why can't the resist system be made classic like everyone wants?

[mostbitter]

remove exp pen on pvp death etc etc

[Yerderlayer]

yeah, it is rediculous, is it true that at lvl 50+ one pvp death = 1-2 hours of pve exp grinding? (not including having to find a group on a low pop server), surely there has to be a pvp death penalty that is reasonable, this is just completely unreasonable and i dont see how anyone would even want to risk pvp unless they are guarenteed a victory

[Yerderlayer]

can we please get a dev to address these things in this thread

[Tradesonred]

Sounds like a case of the "I can't handle classic EverQuest" fever and the "I'm gonna quit" flu.

Predominant in the WoW generation.

You can put in a 6,000% xp bonus and you STILL CANT SOLO A MELEE to 60.

Start with some friends (have people to group with) or play a solo class (requires no grouping, hence the term solo).

Yeah id rather have a bit of a faster grind to foster alts and new guys than having a harsh grind for the sake of nostalgia and playing on an 50 player box

[Tradesonred]

A harsh grind without the xp loss in pvp wouldnt be so bad.

Cuz then you can spend hours on pvp to have fun, then go back to where you left off in PVE.

But both at the same time theres just not enough people without lives and a penchant for masochism to make it a fun server

[Yerderlayer]

quite honestly making the exp rate classic isnt a bad thing and actually promotes more pvp at different level ranges (as well as makes the game more classic), but the exp loss upon death completely makes it too much of a risk to even want to engage in pvp, can a reasonable pvp death penalty be implemented instead?

[Rettii]

Saidin mad at the Terminator

[heartbrand]

yeah, it is rediculous, is it true that at lvl 50+ one pvp death = 1-2 hours of pve exp grinding? (not including having to find a group on a low pop server), surely there has to be a pvp death penalty that is reasonable, this is just completely unreasonable and i dont see how anyone would even want to risk pvp unless they are guarenteed a victory

wait, I said that once and got ridiculed on boards, now people coming back and leveling and QQing about how bad pvp death exp loss is post 50

[Cwall 52.0]

getting a text message every time heartbrand tries to guess my password in order to steal my three AoNs is more important than keeping or raising the population

rogaine knows best

[Lexical]

The mongol hoard I brought with me is pissed about the no xp bonus. Just when you guys were so close to a 200+ server pop, you had to pull the plug. **shakes head**

[Tomatoking]

at this point i think server is a giant troll and they just fucking with you guys

they smilin hard as hell dudes

[Tomatoking]

even terminator couldnt handle the red99 grind

21 mobs bro not even 1 blue in level 55 as a clr

shits just wrong , one pvp death = blue exp loss

[Nune]

karma's teabag has descended upon feeble red99; the sack that broke the camels back

[Tippett]

dude who the fuck griefed u so hard all u do is whine

[Lime]

New Players on this server get screwed.

-Huge EXP Nerf, have to grind ~twice as much experience as people that are already 60
-Can't get firepot bound, will have much less world mobility than older players
-Can't get timeline items that are gamebreaking in pvp, manastone, de mask on a large race etc...
-Harder to farm nameds now with many of the bugs fixed, many items now harder to get.
-Fighting level 60's that don't have to worry about exp loss, while you have to worry about taking unrezzable pve/pvp deaths, level disparity, and gear disparity as a sub 60 character.

Foster an environment for new players to catch up/compete otherwise you wont have any new players.

[Smedy]

yeah, it is rediculous, is it true that at lvl 50+ one pvp death = 1-2 hours of pve exp grinding? (not including having to find a group on a low pop server), surely there has to be a pvp death penalty that is reasonable, this is just completely unreasonable and i dont see how anyone would even want to risk pvp unless they are guarenteed a victory

Negro please, at 59 if i die once in pvp i loose about a week of solo grind, i aint even mad shit's classic.

But yeah, the exp death on pvp really detremental to PVP, cause if you want to keep pvping you gotta keep pveing. I wouldn't even die if it wasn't for a really broken resist system, but since it's a broken resist system i can't really avoid being dirtnapped either so its just a spiral of shit if you're a pure melee more or less.

The only good thing i heard about the exp death on pvp might be the fact that it will keep people "on the server" instead of just logging on for raids, not sure if this is the case.

[fiegi 2.5]

how to lower the current population that is at an all time high since day 3

TAKE OUT THE XP BONUS

Brilliant move asshats

[Xantille]

how to lower the current population that is at an all time high since day 3

TAKE OUT THE XP BONUS

Brilliant move asshats

this man has been immersed for years. listen to him.

[Smedy]

tilly why you not immersed like the rest of the kids???

why u gotta be hatin tilly, tell me tilly

[fiegi 2.5]

this man has been immersed for years. listen to him.

LOSE MY NUMBER

IF YOU EVER SEE ME WALKING DOWN THE STREET, WALK THE OTHER WAY

[watbab]

No, the way to increase pop on red99 is to do everything possible to widen the rift between new and old players, making sure that the vast majority of new players will never be able to contest the old players with equal gear/lvls.

[Nune]

dude who the fuck griefed u so hard all u do is whine

immersion anger confirmed

[Biaxil]

I'm a pvper, but I don't understand everyone's QQ to need to be insta-maxed char. Its really pretty sad. If all you want is smash-face pvp, go play an arena game. This is a pve game at its core, on a pvp server. I played on Vallon Zek for 2 yrs during the "Classic EQ" time. No one ever bitched about exp. We just all loved the game for what it was. There was over 3000 on at peak. Now granted its not like that anymore, but it doesn't mean that you have to reach 60 in 3 weeks. Seriously, where is the fun in that? I look at the game as an adventure. If all you are doing is getting a sore vag because you can't level fast enough and feel the need to whine about it all day, instead of just playing the game, then you are what is wrong with the game; and not the rate of exp.

By the way, I'm only level 7, and the exp rate seems normal to me. I guess people here are just too used to the WOWification in today's games. It makes games like EQ Classic "OMG, its too hard!!!"

[Kagatob]

Just download some elf skins for counterstrike or modern warfare or whatever other shitty deathmatch game you play too much already.

[Galacticus]

I'm a pvper, but I don't understand everyone's QQ to need to be insta-maxed char. Its really pretty sad. If all you want is smash-face pvp, go play an arena game. This is a pve game at its core, on a pvp server. I played on Vallon Zek for 2 yrs during the "Classic EQ" time. No one ever bitched about exp. We just all loved the game for what it was. There was over 3000 on at peak. Now granted its not like that anymore, but it doesn't mean that you have to reach 60 in 3 weeks. Seriously, where is the fun in that? I look at the game as an adventure. If all you are doing is getting a sore vag because you can't level fast enough and feel the need to whine about it all day, instead of just playing the game, then you are what is wrong with the game; and not the rate of exp.

Sup bro. You look new here. Everquest is a unique experience and with all the variables it brings to the table its much more then a simple smash- face pvp arena game. Its actually not a pvp game at its core, it was designed as pve first. Thats why there are way more pve servers then pvp.

Its 2013 if you didnt notice and this game is almost 15 years old. If we wanted to grind exp on a pve server where xp is the focus where theres already 1/3 the population you are talking about you can go play on the blue server.

No one said 60 in 3 weeks. The xp rate now is closer to 60 in 6 months to a year. When it used to be 3 months to 6 months.

Edit: Wait till you get 20+ before you are done with your "adventure" because you didnt find any groups and are forced to roll a solo class. See you in 6 months.

[Jokesteve]

Was considering making a char here to level when I cant find a group on blue.

But with years of exp bonus to the top crowd and then it have stripped of every new player that walks in the door?

No thanks.

I'll find something else to spend my time on.

[Kraz]

Unfortunately widening the gap from real pvp on a pvp server is going to kill the population. Nilly have fun farming your pixels with you and only you online with your gm hand holding.

I do have one question though. This is about dolla bills right? That is the only explanation, I mean if people want to pvp why not let us do it the way we want to. I am so sick of reading the forums and seeing people with this "Classic argument" There is nothing classic about the way this server is run.

Oh and one more thing. Once pop is at 50 again please revert back all bugs for easy of pixel farm. Keep it classy, I mean classic bro's you lost your class a long time ago.

[Kagatob]

Go play WoW

[Jenni D]

geez whats wrong now?

[Purplefluffybunny]

i know life isn't always fair. you can play the hand youre dealt like a big boy, or, you can fold your cards and go play WoW

:rolleyes: Seriously?

I note that not once in your post do you directly mention WTH is going on with the exp. However, it is good to read that a 'sit down' will occur to discuss where we are going to go with red1999.

[Smedy]

Lets watch the pop drop down to whatever number nihilum has

Shit's classic, over at eqclassic.com

[Feniggles]

how to lower the current population that is at an all time high since day 3

TAKE OUT THE XP BONUS

Brilliant move asshats

[Purplefluffybunny]

You know, the grind does not bother me. In all honesty I prefer slower leveling and yes, it feels more like classic with less EXP. That said, it is the fact that our competitors have had such a helping hand with the EXP bonus (confirmed) and all the other shit that is alleged to have occurred. As I said, give us a level playing field and watch the population and the quality of your PvP gaming experience, rise.

Indeed, with EQnext to be announced in more detail this year, you are going to see a general rise in our server population as a result. I would hazard a guess and say that this has already started to occur.

Another related driver for the recent increased EQ server population (which is not just confined to project1999 but includes other EMU servers) is also down to the poor selection of mmorpgs available, particularly those with a more free form PvP type of game play. Despite all the marketing rhetoric, in terms of more open world, sandbox-ie style gameplay, there is little on offer that can better the EQ experience.

[Feniggles]

at this point i think server is a giant troll and they just fucking with you guys

they smilin hard as hell dudes

[Nuncio]

As others have said, if the XP is being kept as is after the patch, please remove PvP death XP loss.

[Dacuk]

+1 to this thread. This patch was a major step backwards for red. Very disappointing to see xp nerf coupled with no resist changes or YT. Sirken buddy red's future is depending on you leading the crusade for us with Rogean and Nilbog. We gotta make serious change if you want pop to stay up.

[coshea46]

please do not say bad things about my guides. i'm going to try and set up a play date with Nilbog and Rogean to see if we can't find a middle ground.

and by middle ground, i don't necessarily mean things that will help the 50+ crowd, so much as i mean things that could help the people that need it (ie: new players, sub lvl 50 players, etc). ideally we want new players to have fun, because at the end of the day thats what decides if people will continue playing, hit the 50+ crowd, and join gen pop.

another thing is that right now R99 (in terms of trying to compare to a live pvp server) is a Frankenstein bastard child. i will try to see if we could fully hammer down either Vallon, Tallon, Sullon, Rallos, ruleset.

i know life isn't always fair. you can play the hand youre dealt like a big boy, or, you can fold your cards and go play WoW

Thanks

[coshea46]

The mongol hoard I brought with me is pissed about the no xp bonus. Just when you guys were so close to a 200+ server pop, you had to pull the plug. **shakes head**

THIS

[Vile]

getting a text message every time heartbrand tries to guess my password in order to steal my three AoNs is more important than keeping or raising the population

rogaine knows best


ty for lol would read again

[Tomatoking]

You know, the grind does not bother me. In all honesty I prefer slower leveling and yes, it feels more like classic with less EXP. That said, it is the fact that our competitors have had such a helping hand with the EXP bonus (confirmed) and all the other shit that is alleged to have occurred. As I said, give us a level playing field and watch the population and the quality of your PvP gaming experience, rise.

Indeed, with EQnext to be announced in more detail this year, you are going to see a general rise in our server population as a result. I would hazard a guess and say that this has already started to occur.

Another related driver for the recent increased EQ server population (which is not just confined to project1999 but includes other EMU servers) is also down to the poor selection of mmorpgs available, particularly those with a more free form PvP type of game play. Despite all the marketing rhetoric, in terms of more open world, sandbox-ie style gameplay, there is little on offer that can better the EQ experience.



sorry you didnt get the message , eqnext was bankrupted and they were forced to sell their intellectual property to dragon age

their game still exists but its garbage

[Tomatoking]

heres a newsflash they dont want the population up

try to think about why they wouldnt and maybe it will hit you

[Tekay]

Consistency... That's what it's all about. Keep it the way it was, no extra, no less.

[Tekay]

Okay you're going to get raced to 50 with no plat and have no gear. Problem... solved?


Not a problem. People want to experience the game, and will farm for loot any plat like they've always done in the past.

Nerfing XP isn't a way to help people get money or gear. That's just a time sink.

[Nirgon]

You will not enjoy the game fighting me naked.

A lesser skilled player in my gear would not enjoy fighting Nihilum.

Mayhaps you can see the logical progression here and where on the beat down totem pole this puts you when you arrive at 50-52.

Super fast XP helps Nihilum farm up tons of alts to loot all that rotting VP gear so they can camp all their alts at raid targets. If you wipe them? They will log in alt wave 1, then 2, then 3... they have way more free time during the day than you. Take it from someone who pulled an all nighter having a battle of the wills with Dekadenz in OOT. He can do that every night, I can't :P.

A classic xp system is good but not with this population, new players will burn out. Their only "massively multiplayer experience" lvls 1-44 will probably be getting unclassicly permarooted and beat down by an earth pet, or getting rooted kiting/quadding reliably after they've farmed up 70mr in resist gear. People saying magic resist is fine believe everyone should have a tcrown or something. What the hell are they smoking?

This post made by someone who can handle truly classic xp (I could easily BundyQuest with a rogue... inb4 wizard), has all of this resist gear and sees the problem.

[Labanen]

Dekadenz dont play that much, me neither but we sure have some that do...

Personally i think the bonus should be back as long as there is an xp loss on pvp, though the levels at which this xp loss is felt the most imho (post Hell levels past lvl 50) isnt affected much by it. Good reply though sirken, much respect.

[Rettii]

I'm sad that just a pop was steadily rising every day with new players and returning old players, xp gets shafted with the good old "classic" argument. I really don't care about getting 3 blues in 5 hours grouped at 58, cus the dentist crew is fun to play with. But we dont have classic population and newbies getting griefed while trying to solo grind classic xp is a huge barrier to entry.

Sirken spends time holding events for us and I spend hours trying to make fun videos of thm for exposure, hopefully it's not all wasted...

[heartbrand]

I'm sad that just a pop was steadily rising every day with new players and returning old players, xp gets shafted with the good old "classic" argument. I really don't care about getting 3 blues in 5 hours grouped at 58, cus the dentist crew is fun to play with. But we dont have classic population and newbies getting griefed while trying to solo grind classic xp is a huge barrier to entry.

Sirken spends time holding events for us and I spend hours trying to make fun videos of thm for exposure, hopefully it's not all wasted...

https://www.everquest.com/images/community/2012/09/rof/eqroflogo.png

[Nirgon]

[Sun Feb 17 16:03:30 2013] nilbog says out of character, 'Not intentional. Waiting on Rogean to find out what previous multiplier was

There you have it.

Parts of this make the tin foil restless :/.

Keepin' da faith for all the lonely new players tho.

[Rettii]

What's rain of fear mean hb?

[SamwiseRed]

wonder what that expansion about lol

[Rettii]

He's bad at forum questing and a sad sight when attempting to ooc troll also.

[heartbrand]

He's bad at forum questing and a sad sight when attempting to ooc troll also.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JvXhF6I8oZo/Ti1VtKhtHKI/AAAAAAAADEM/FwTglWUNLY0/s1600/crying-kid-131.jpg

think I hear something...

[Nirgon]

think I hear something...

I think I... hm no wait..

nah
nah i don't hear anything
im done with this thread
yeah
peace
im done

[Rettii]

Thanks for confirmation

[Smedy]

Nilbog with the save of red99, aint logging on until that modifier is applied, shit was retarded slow before the nerf, don't even wanna try it now

[Heywood]

Grinding is so slowwww, it's like getting a blowjob from a chick with cotton mouth and braces. It's not that great, but I'm still going through with it.

[Sirken]

bonuses are bonuses because they are temporary.

if it was the statuesque, then it would not be an xp "bonus"

bonuses come and go, and the pop no longer maxes out at 45 people. you can argue that the people only showed up for the xp bonus, but i could argue that the bonus was in when the pop maxed at 45 peoople.

[Heywood]

bonuses are bonuses because they are temporary.

if it was the statuesque, then it would not be an xp "bonus"

bonuses come and go, and the pop no longer maxes out at 45 people. you can argue that the people only showed up for the xp bonus, but i could argue that the bonus was in when the pop maxed at 45 peoople.


With Lord Sirken confirming what we all were dreading, then perhaps now is also the time for the Devs to remove exp loss on pvp death.



shiz aint classic, not working as intended, free smallmee.

[Concave]

Whining and arguing aside, could a member of the staff clearly confirm whether the exp bonus being removed is intentional/permanent?

nilbog in-game suggested it wasn't intentional, but sirken seems to be defending the change on the boards, which makes me wonder if the situation wasn't fully understood when I asked nilbog what was going on in-game. Would just like a little clarity, thanks!

[Nirgon]

Still not seeing that sustained low lvl grouping population though. GL out there lowbie pals.

[Nizzarr]

With the experience bonus gone,

With no mana after spawning from a PVP death,

It's time to get rid of the experience penalty on death.

It's atrocious in the 50s, its no fun in the 1-50 levels.

[this user was banned]

you guys sure do bitch and complain a lot

[SamwiseRed]

With the experience bonus gone,

With no mana after spawning from a PVP death,

It's time to get rid of the experience penalty on death.

It's atrocious in the 50s, its no fun in the 1-50 levels.

for the sake of classicness, ill accept the no bonus but xp loss on pvp death HAS to go if we are going classic mode.

[Smedy]

TBH i think its even worse at the high levels, i never expected it to be a problem cause with decent gear you could almost always get away from dying (on classic).

With magic spells landing and being a pure melee dirtnapping is almost unavoidable at times, with this slow exp i feel like i'm never ever going to stop this stupid grind.

For the love of original Smedy Jesus take out this god damn xp on pvp death.

http://i.imgur.com/Wl1puZS.jpg
Bronze jesus approves of these changes

[SamwiseRed]

bronze jesus has spoken

[Heywood]

Pras the baby bearded bronze jesus.

[Bhubbles]

Sirken I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you on the bonuses part. We are just concerned for the health of the server.

Losing the exp bonus does not affect me personally. I look at the the server as a whole and where it has come in the last few months, we started going in the right direction and now we are messing with a good thing.

Let the server thrive for a few months before making drastic changes like this. It's rogeans server and he can do what he wants but to make good things great you listen to the people who put the time in everyday.

[Swish]

Well the rich just got richer, no incentive for new players. Is this a Sundawg conspiracy to get red shut down and team pvp to replace it?

I'd argue the population is still too low to find a group until about level 30, so people will either roll a solo class to get to 30...or they won't roll at all. Even then, if the population is going to devolve back to 50 people - would you want to put any time into the server as a new player?

Good luck R99, if you're one of those Nihilum members with a well geared low level rogue alt its probably not in your interest long term to grief anyone off the server - every player counts.

[Smokey012]

Consistency... That's what it's all about. Keep it the way it was, no extra, no less.

Well I'm a new player starting out on this server. I've played other Eqemu servers, but thought this had potential as it's classic. That was until I saw how long it takes to level on here... Killing 30 white con mobs to ding level 2, taking a good solid hour + wasn't particularly fun. The classic experience of EQ - to me, was in how the game mechanics were and the lore and advancement of the characters, not in how SoE made it as time consuming as possible to keep the money flowing in.
It seems it was good enough to have a higher rate before, but not now?. Not really fair on the new player base. If anything I would've thought it been a lower rate at first, then a higher rate later, because surely you would've wanted as close to classic at the start as possible.
It's just going to put a lot of players off this server, considering that on other legit servers like PEQ ( which also has got a large player base) You can ding level 2 on the first mob in Glooming deep mines. I personally want a server where you can't box though, so this one seems really ideal, but I don't want to have to spend a good part of this year getting myself up to a decent level, not when it has been quicker for everyone and now dropped. Just doesn't seem fair to me, and it's also putting people off, even though I never PvPed on EQ in two years of play time.
No disrespect intended, I really appreciate people running these servers and the effort that's gone into it, but it's just not fun at this rate, and just far to daunting for new players.

[Pudge]

it takes awhile for pop to snowball.. exp bonus helped get and retain new players A LOT. we don't have the population or influx of ppl to keep everyone spread out under 50 and still playing.

also if you brought back the bonus with some kind of incentive to group as well, that be even better. 10% flat rate bonus, +8% per group member, sounds good to me (it is currently set to 2%, yes? think it could use a bump). This would mean a full group gets +50% exp, whereas a full group with the old +75% flat rate would get +85% exp. So we have less of an exp bonus overall, and at the same time support grouping instead of soloing.

on sullon, where there was exp loss on pvp death, there was a 20% permanent exp bonus to help compensate. and p99 exp is already slower than live was.

if we had no exp loss on pvp death, then maybe no bonus could be tolerable, but right now i am afraid to pvp on my SK and lose.. now i don't even know what it would be.. 4 hours worth of grind?

[Tumdumm]

if we had no exp loss on pvp death, then maybe no bonus could be tolerable, but right now i am afraid to pvp on my SK and lose.. now i don't even know what it would be.. 4 hours worth of grind?

more like 4 weeks bro

just dont die imo

[Tumdumm]

byeeee

[SamwiseRed]

unhappiness detected

[Infectious]

Your gona go back to blue where the exp is the same as here... If your mid 30s and cant find a group, join a guild. This is eq. If your melee find somone your level that can snare, then watch exp come in

[Swish]

It's just helping those that used the bonus to grind out a main and however many alts.

Now the big obstruction to getting there appears. If you've been on Red since the start you're in a very good spot. If you wanted to start, well... you're playing more hardcore rules to get to the same point.

I think if the bonus was left in you'd see a healthier population. Still a while to Velious, so I'm sure there's plenty of bored blue server folks who at least want to give it a shot (recent server figures probably support that).

But no, take it away forever. I've dabbled on red in the past and soloing 1-25/30 gets boring pretty quick as it is, and will be worse if the XP bar isn't moving along. I'm sure its been said that the best PvP (what everyone turned up for) is at the 50+ end of the server.

I suppose global ooc is next? ;)

[Smokey012]

Has blue always had this rate of XP?

[delta55]

I just want to comment. First post. I started playing with a few of my friends two weeks ago. We've been having a good time, making some friends, some enemies, but ultimately enjoying the experience. We come from a game that is worse than EverQuest for griefing, so we have no problem with that at all.

It's really unfortunate that this XP bonus will be nerfed. We had a good ten people come over and legitimately start from the ground up. I think now around half or more will quit, simply because most of us have jobs and don't have months to spend leveling one character. I really don't understand why the scaling XP bonus (i.e. 1-10 = best, 10-20 = bit less, 20-30 = bit less) up to level 50 doesn't remain intact. If you want people to have to grind it out from 50-60, then so be it, but I don't understand why you have to hurt the new players who want to get to 50 to begin with.

TLDR: Population will decrease, which is possibly what the GM wants?

[Swish]

Like a prosperous town raided by barbarians or pirates...

There's not much for newcomers to stay for.

[Honeyblunts]

I'm also a new player just starting and want to play on red99 ,but without the xp bonus sadly I won't be staying. I do hope this is just an error and it will be fixed. I'd atleast like an answer regarding this.

[Runya]

I dont understand what the about-face is regarding server health.....Thursday night fights for 54+ and epics but shit on the little guys? Im sure all but one guild would give back epics for exp bonus....bro you really cant think this is smart?

[Clappindemcheeks]

If your excuse is exp bonus isn't classic.. new flash, ton of shit on this server is not classic. The solution to rolling a melee is not "find someone who can snare and duo with them". Whats that persons incentive to losing his solo experience to group with me and help me? He has none. Thats not a solution. 1-50 on red is pretty much the same as blue without the population. Theres a lack of pvp unless you count the level 20 twinks running around who you can't compete with and shit stomp you for your experience.

Finally you had a decent influx of people who wanted to play here but guess what, they're all already complaining about exp going to shit again and people are already saying they're gonna stop playing. Pretty sure the population on red is better than its been in the last year and only getting better. So why go and intentionally break and fuck this up? It doesn't make sense.

[Runya]

Sirk you cant change to teams at this point.....people and guilds arent rolled correctly...plus your last line seems like you mad that people arent happy with this...obvi you cant cater to everyone but you seem like you genuinely want to help the server and we need our low levels for that.Imo the exp bonus was a great idea...sad to see it gone.I would love to see itemloot too but i think that will hurt the population...I implore you to reconsider when population drops.

please do not say bad things about my guides. i'm going to try and set up a play date with Nilbog and Rogean to see if we can't find a middle ground.

and by middle ground, i don't necessarily mean things that will help the 50+ crowd, so much as i mean things that could help the people that need it (ie: new players, sub lvl 50 players, etc). ideally we want new players to have fun, because at the end of the day thats what decides if people will continue playing, hit the 50+ crowd, and join gen pop.

another thing is that right now R99 (in terms of trying to compare to a live pvp server) is a Frankenstein bastard child. i will try to see if we could fully hammer down either Vallon, Tallon, Sullon, Rallos, ruleset.

i know life isn't always fair. you can play the hand youre dealt like a big boy, or, you can fold your cards and go play WoW

[Nuncio]

I said on another thread. While the XP is truly brutal now, that's fine, just lose the PvP death XP loss.

C'mon you fuckers, do it.

[Nirgon]

Show me some mobs you can solo on your freshly rolled 50+ rogue or warrior that an xp bonus would benefit though? Stop with the solo melee stuff, Jesus. *Nothing fixes this*.

XP bonus probably kept new people/pvpers interested. Maybe Rogean will put it back in, maybe see ya in a year or never. Dunno.

[philbertpk]

Finally get to the lvl where I can really start solo grinding and poof goes the XP...dammit.

[quido]

It's not so much that I have to grind as it is that the server hegemon of exploiting RMTers got off so easy and now that people are finally making a move against them, they're being restrained by an unfair abolishment. Are you aware of how much more work it is to go 50-60 than it is 1-50?

At least let the pop grow a little more and let these new players get some levels. 50+ too. Bring back the exp.

[Galacticus]

Bottom line.

Exp bonus was put in to increase server population.

Exp bonus should be taken out when you want to stop population increase.

Dont stop population increase.

Put back exp bonus.

Increase server population.

[Purplefluffybunny]

Sirk you cant change to teams at this point.....people and guilds arent rolled correctly...[...]

I agree. They would have to wipe the server clean. I am all for this and am happy for the server to be wiped and a new PvP rule set introduced.

[Galacticus]

I agree. They would have to wipe the server clean. I am all for this and am happy for the server to be wiped and a new PvP rule set introduced.

Then a bonus would make even more sense and even more people would join to have an even playing field again and teams would hopefully ensure balance.

:eek:

[Purplefluffybunny]

Then a bonus would make even more sense and even more people would join to have an even playing field again and teams would hopefully ensure balance.

:eek:


I am all for a temporary moderate exp bonus should they wipe and start afresh with a new PvP rule set. I am equally happy to see a wipe and the current exp modifier values remain. As I have said, I have no problem with long grinds. Indeed, I like the current rate of exp gain. My problem is that because others have benefited so greatly from a different rule set, it is unfair to now ask us new people to play it hardcore a la classic.

Wipe, introduce new PvP rule set and stick with classic exp gain rate. This is my preference.

[Vile]

people still calling for wipes or thinking it's remotely possible is absolutely hilarious

[Smokey012]

I've always known why live was so painfully slow, as they wanted to keep you paying for as long as possible, but this shouldn't be that way. I work, I have things to do, sitting down at a computer burning all of my spare time to not actually get anywhere really is just not fun.
This aspect of the game wasn't that fun on live if I'm honest, but I tolerated it, because there was nothing else on the market that did what EQ did at the time. Don't get me wrong, I had some good times on EQ, but that was later in game with friends and guild.
I love this game, but it's not worth dedicating my entire life to it... again, 13 years after original release.

Please help us new players out

[Nirgon]

High of 191 last night... let's see what happens.

[SamwiseRed]

High of 191 last night... let's see what happens.

high chance of scattered thunderstorms

we will also be on a tornado watch tonight

[Andis]

high of 200 dogs...get it right

[Heywood]

people still calling for wipes or thinking it's remotely possible is absolutely hilarious

It's the peeps who have never seen a wipe calling for one.



If they do wipe though... I say you, Pathin, and I bring back <Crucify> 2013.

[InfamousTaco]

All you noobs, please hit up Saidin in game for a port or some help.

I will help you if I can, I am pretty busy usually when I'm on, so don't be offended If I don't respond.

But please, hit me up I like helping the new people.

[Hovis]

people still calling for wipes or thinking it's remotely possible is absolutely hilarious

+1

[Tomatoking]

I've always known why live was so painfully slow, as they wanted to keep you paying for as long as possible, but this shouldn't be that way. I work, I have things to do, sitting down at a computer burning all of my spare time to not actually get anywhere really is just not fun.
This aspect of the game wasn't that fun on live if I'm honest, but I tolerated it, because there was nothing else on the market that did what EQ did at the time. Don't get me wrong, I had some good times on EQ, but that was later in game with friends and guild.
I love this game, but it's not worth dedicating my entire life to it... again, 13 years after original release.

Please help us new players out

what a nice heartfelt post to staff

you must be new here ! :)

[Tradesonred]

Was trying to get my RL buddy to roll here but with this xp i can forget it

[Handpartytowel]

server pop death toll continues to rise

[Galacticus]

I just hope people stick around long enough for whenever fix happens. It's frustrating for us to get them to play here when this is their first impression.

[Smokey012]

what a nice heartfelt post to staff

you must be new here ! :)

Well my heart definitely felt something when I loaded this up to then spend the next hour+ killing around 30 white con mobs to ding level 2. Probably the early stages of a heart attack imagining how long it'd be until I was 60.

All you noobs, please hit up Saidin in game for a port or some help.

I will help you if I can, I am pretty busy usually when I'm on, so don't be offended If I don't respond.

But please, hit me up I like helping the new people.

Thanks,that's really appreciated, but even with help I just don't think I have the stomach for it.
I've always hated how EQ favoured the jobless in it's hay day though, and how you had to dedicate your life to getting anywhere.
EQ holds some fond memories, but the insane grinding really wasn't one of them, and this is even slower than what Live was when I left! lol.

Also has blue always been this slow xp rate?.

[SamwiseRed]

Well my heart definitely felt something when I loaded this up to then spend the next hour+ killing around 30 white con mobs to ding level 2. Probably the early stages of a heart attack imagining how long it'd be until I was 60.



Thanks,that's really appreciated, but even with help I just don't think I have the stomach for it.
I've always hated how EQ favoured the jobless in it's hay day though, and how you had to dedicate your life to getting anywhere.
EQ holds some fond memories, but the insane grinding really wasn't one of them, and this is even slower than what Live was when I left! lol.

Also has blue always been this slow xp rate?.

xp rate is now fixed, da da da da da da da de de de de de deal wit it

[Smokey012]

xp rate is now fixed, da da da da da da da de de de de de deal wit it

Well I went on blue and the xp there wasn't fixed - unless that's how it's always been, and if that's the case I'm off this server. 30 plus mobs for level 2 is just insanity!. I can't afford to blow that much time on a game, and how anyone can on a game is beyond me. Especially a game this old, as it must have a more mature player base anyway as younger people couldn't handle this graphics engine.
I said in OOC about it being slow and they said it's classic, the best way. I'm sorry, but you're all freaks if you think that is a fun way to spend your time.

I killed a blue con at level 2, and I couldn't even see the xp gain. Level 2!? wtf is that about seriously, it makes me lol to be honest.

[SamwiseRed]

Well I went on blue and the xp there wasn't fixed - unless that's how it's always been, and if that's the case I'm off this server. 30 plus mobs for level 2 is just insanity!. I can't afford to blow that much time on a game, and how anyone can on a game is beyond me. Especially a game this old, as it must have a more mature player base anyway as younger people couldn't handle this graphics engine.
I said in OOC about it being slow and they said it's classic, the best way. I'm sorry, but you're all freaks if you think that is a fun way to spend your time.

I killed a blue con at level 2, and I couldn't even see the xp gain. Level 2!? wtf is that about seriously, it makes me lol to be honest.

30+ mobs for level 2? lol this aint blue forums, take that bull shit elsewhere.

[Smokey012]

30+ mobs for level 2? lol this aint blue forums, take that bull shit elsewhere.

I started an hour before my first post. I saw the post " XP = Slow", didn't read the thread name ( possibly my bad ) as I thought it was relevant. Possibly because it is needlessly slow on blue server.
And you shouldn't worry, Samwise, I fully intend to take my shit elsewhere... Peace!.

[Swish]

http://i.imgur.com/bp7IWv8.jpg

[SamwiseRed]

I started an hour before my first post. I saw the post " XP = Slow", didn't read the thread name ( possibly my bad ) as I thought it was relevant. Possibly because it is needlessly slow on blue server.
And you shouldn't worry, Samwise, I fully intend to take my shit elsewhere... Peace!.

so you leave red because we have an xp bonus to go to blue that has none. totally makes sense.

[Azzie]

Woot! Xp is great now! TY!

[Smokey012]

so you leave red because we have an xp bonus to go to blue that has none. totally makes sense.

Only reason I've seen this post was that firefox opens all my previous pages when I run the browser, but I have to say Samwise, it makes perfect sense.
I was always on Blue server. As I mentioned in the reply, I didn't notice the thread was in the PvP community. I posted about an hour after I played for the first time, and I thought everyone felt it was slow as well.
People say they're hardcore because they play the game at this rate. I say it's not hardcore, it's unrealistic with having a live a life. It always was when I was on live, but I tolerated it due to there being nothing else on the market, but I really didn't enjoy spending months leveling one character, it was once I finally made one the game opened up to me, and my nostalgic experience began.
Why everyone on EQ feels that spending hours grinding countless mobs is part of there nostalgic experience is beyond me. The rate of gain sucked ass back then, because SoE just wanted you playing for insane and health damaging amounts of time to get your money, which newer mmo have done away with.
Anyway, happy grinding to you all. you're far more dedicated than I am, or maybe that's not the word lol... Peace!

[bubur]

Only reason I've seen this post was that firefox opens all my previous pages when I run the browser, but I have to say Samwise, it makes perfect sense.
I was always on Blue server. As I mentioned in the reply, I didn't notice the thread was in the PvP community. I posted about an hour after I played for the first time, and I thought everyone felt it was slow as well.
People say they're hardcore because they play the game at this rate. I say it's not hardcore, it's unrealistic with having a live a life. It always was when I was on live, but I tolerated it due to there being nothing else on the market, but I really didn't enjoy spending months leveling one character, it was once I finally made one the game opened up to me, and my nostalgic experience began.
Why everyone on EQ feels that spending hours grinding countless mobs is part of there nostalgic experience is beyond me. The rate of gain sucked ass back then, because SoE just wanted you playing for insane and health damaging amounts of time to get your money, which newer mmo have done away with.
Anyway, happy grinding to you all. you're far more dedicated than I am, or maybe that's not the word lol... Peace!

TLDR: "i never liked eq, and still dont. i dont belong here"

uh bye

[Nirgon]

There's a point to the slower levelling process (meeting more people, chances for run ins/issues/getting nameds to pop a few times while being in that zone xping etc) but the population here isn't very high.

The game here is 50+ because that's who has stuck around.

The newbie areas here were once ripe with people running the bard notes and getting bundy quested, out running hails of fire bolts while killing darkweed snakes in east commons (oh the immersion) etc. However, many people couldn't take the "grief" of being attacked by another player.... couple that with guards not protecting them and they'd log off immediately and just never look back.

The xp bonus is to get people away from the grind and into the game.

However, I did level alts on live, and found myself solo'ing quite a bit in Velious etc due to this very same population behavior.

We need at least elemental resistances around 150 to be more meaningful and resist caps on root/ensnare spells, not asking for an entire overhaul or perfection or anything, just major issues that need to be brought in line that grief off new players (especially ones who remember that having 80 magic resist shouldn't get you rooted almost 100% of the time kiting!). Once that is done, it will be time to promote the box again. I don't want to lure people here only to have them leave forever. If this is cleaned up, we can construct an email with all the fixes and some enticing screen shots or videos linked in it to get people back.

[Tomatoking]

This message is hidden because Nirgon is on your ignore list.


haha u dum

[Smokey012]

TLDR: "i never liked eq, and still dont. i dont belong here"

uh bye

Thanks for your constructive input... Also If it was to long to read, how'd you know what the contents was about?.

No I loved EQ for all the same reasons that everyone else did, but I know for sure that my experience was a lot different than yours. This was down to how some people just don't seem to have to actually live a life who play these games. I wish I knew how it was done, but I don't. I have to work for a living and now my time is even harder to come by because of children.

There's a point to the slower levelling process (meeting more people, chances for run ins/issues/getting nameds to pop a few times while being in that zone xping etc) but the population here isn't very high.


Well when I actually saw players, they were running about with people power leveling them. Infact I was kill stolen by a wizard.

It's a valid point, and makes sense in theory though, but this is my perspective of how this worked for me.
I find a group, I level with them, I make some friends. I then log while they stay on for obviously four times my usage. They end up leaving me and I spend the next year leveling one character, meeting countless people that I leveled with at some point that are now way beyond me.

As I said before EQ favored the jobless, and I had a lot of good times, but that was when I was high level and was raiding with my guild. If they had some kind of rest xp system, it would've been much fairer.

[Bamzal Sherbet]

yes because you are the only person trying to hold down a job and play this

[heartbrand]

This message is hidden because Tomatoking is on your ignore list.

Grats on becoming the first legit person I've ever ignored on this message board.

[Smokey012]

Well I came on here looking to relive the EQ experience, as I did enjoy the sandbox style and varied race and class this had to offer. I haven't made a scene, or offended/attacked anyone, so ignoring me was slightly uncalled for... but, your call. I certainly wont be losing any sleep. lol

All I did was say that it's to slow for me to start again, and I'd noticed this thread and thought I'd say what I thought.
I'd hoped that as this was a non-SOE server, that maybe the rates would've been slightly higher than they were. I'm not asking for much higher, just enough to make even limited time actually worth something.They were only ever that high because they wanted you on the game paying money for as long as possible. It was the first big MMO, so everything was experimental at this stage, and to me this was something that needed to be addressed.

And as far as me being the only one holding a job and playing this, then I do seriously worry about some of you. This game came out in 99, the youngest on here must be mid 20's, and you're still sitting here 24/7 playing this?. Think possibly some of you need a reality check.

[Nirgon]

This is SUPPOSED to be an exactly classic server.

Everyone has the goal of reaching 60.

Just pace it out and you'll get there eventually.

The game is supposed to level you slowly. High pop servers were more of a social experience and less about Omg must be max level and raiding for most of the live population.

Just try to find your own way to enjoy it. I have a ton of xping to go even at 56 and it is in no way a turn off because I actually enjoy playing the game itself and the classic mechanics and non-instanced world.

Off topic/random thought: players that pushed mmos into instanced content have a loser mentality.

[Galacticus]

This is SUPPOSED to be an exactly classic server.

Everyone has the goal of reaching 60.

Just pace it out and you'll get there eventually.

The game is supposed to level you slowly. High pop servers were more of a social experience and less about Omg must be max level and raiding for most of the live population.

Just try to find your own way to enjoy it. I have a ton of xping to go even at 56 and it is in no way a turn off because I actually enjoy playing the game itself and the classic mechanics and non-instanced world.

Off topic/random thought: players that pushed mmos into instanced content have a loser mentality.

At 55 + you are already able to raid and just kick back and not worry about xp. You can get into most groups and farm most gear as if you were 60.

Imagine your character is deleted and you start at level 1.

Everyone else for months has gotten a 50% more bonus then you to level.

Better yet there is no reason that anyone will confirm as to why it was changed.

This will not even effect most of the players here because they are above 50 meaning its directly targeted at you and not others who already have an advantage over you.

Not a friendly new player environment.

[HippoNipple]

bonuses are bonuses because they are temporary.

if it was the statuesque, then it would not be an xp "bonus"

bonuses come and go, and the pop no longer maxes out at 45 people. you can argue that the people only showed up for the xp bonus, but i could argue that the bonus was in when the pop maxed at 45 peoople.

I'm guessing the meeting with rogean/nilbog didn't happen or didn't go well.

Population went to shit
EXP bonus put in
Population slowly rises to today's number which is a big success
Exp bonus taken out
Population bitches and threatens to quit

I don't get the argument about the population being 45 while the bonus was in.. because shortly after it went in is when the population went up and made it to today's numbers.

[Galacticus]

bonuses are bonuses because they are temporary.

if it was the statuesque, then it would not be an xp "bonus"

bonuses come and go, and the pop no longer maxes out at 45 people. you can argue that the people only showed up for the xp bonus, but i could argue that the bonus was in when the pop maxed at 45 peoople.

You speak as if the xp bonus is like the weather - something that just comes and goes.

You control them, they are put in for a reason and taken out for a reason.

My impression is to grow server population and give new players an incentive to stick out the long grind before they can join most people on the server and do what they came here for, pvp.

I could see the argument that the server has 500 ppl on it and now we will reduce the bonus because there are more then enough people to group with or the server is reaching population limit for the servers.

The exp bonus doesn't BRING people here - it keeps them here playing. There are always people rolling in to try it out to see how it goes. Then they realize hey, I wanted to play a war and there is no one around to group with, or they get level 15 and can't solo blight blues anymore and feel stuck. Sme come to the forums but most just quit like I did and don't look back.

[Nirgon]

I've helped with a few epics and spent most of my time farming plat for gear (I'm shinin' boy). I still have xp as a priority, its not instant 60 and I'm glad about it.

I've enjoyed my time contesting my xp/farming spots. Some people just like the items and being max level... I like playing.

[Tomatoking]

Well I came on here looking to relive the EQ experience, as I did enjoy the sandbox style and varied race and class this had to offer. I haven't made a scene, or offended/attacked anyone, so ignoring me was slightly uncalled for... but, your call. I certainly wont be losing any sleep. lol

All I did was say that it's to slow for me to start again, and I'd noticed this thread and thought I'd say what I thought.
I'd hoped that as this was a non-SOE server, that maybe the rates would've been slightly higher than they were. I'm not asking for much higher, just enough to make even limited time actually worth something.They were only ever that high because they wanted you on the game paying money for as long as possible. It was the first big MMO, so everything was experimental at this stage, and to me this was something that needed to be addressed.

And as far as me being the only one holding a job and playing this, then I do seriously worry about some of you. This game came out in 99, the youngest on here must be mid 20's, and you're still sitting here 24/7 playing this?. Think possibly some of you need a reality check.

look , alot of you new guys will have to come to terms with a few things here

First , you wont relive any previous glory, it is gone and for that era and that era alone 12 years ago.

If you do decide to play here you will spend almost all of your time leveling for the next 6 months or so ( playing at a casual pace )

You will also most likely level solo with no gear or friends and fight twinks, if this is a problem dont play here.

If you do decide to stick it out will it be worth it? No , theres no guild to look forward to joining , there almost no pvp and the server has a few critical bugs that make it extremely frustrating.

Not to mention the majority of players on the server are extremely mad cause they suck at life or are high / bragging about being high like thats cool.

What i just said my sound harsh but its the truth. Most people have a hard time handling the truth in life. But i believe in just coming out and saying stuff and giving people all the info so they can make a choice for themself.

Goodluck if you do stay

[Tomatoking]

At 55 + you are already able to raid and just kick back and not worry about xp. You can get into most groups and farm most gear as if you were 60.

Imagine your character is deleted and you start at level 1.

Everyone else for months has gotten a 50% more bonus then you to level.

Better yet there is no reason that anyone will confirm as to why it was changed.

This will not even effect most of the players here because they are above 50 meaning its directly targeted at you and not others who already have an advantage over you.

Not a friendly new player environment.

They dont want new players , more overhead.

Are you new here?

[Tradesonred]

This is SUPPOSED to be an exactly classic server.

Everyone has the goal of reaching 60.

Just pace it out and you'll get there eventually.
more of a social experience and less about Omg must be max level and raiding for most of the live population.

Just try to find your own way to enjoy it. I have a ton of xping to go even at 56 and it is in no way a turn off because I actually enjoy playing the game itself and the classic mechanics and non-instanced world.

Off topic/random thought: players that pushed mmos into instanced content have a loser mentality.

The thing is, if youre a pvper first and intend to do large doses of pvp to offset the grind, youll probably end up with more grind unless youre a hardcore twink. Theres not a whole lot you can do beside grind to the top and pvp

Theorycrafting about what makes the server classic is good and all, but id rather have a 250+ pop server that is classic-ish than a 75 one that is more strictly classic.

At this point im pretty sure everyone agrees that server isnt pure classic.

Its just a question of what you should tweak

[watbab]

I cannot believe that the staff thought this was a good idea, and just when the population was just getting to bearable levels.

[Purplefluffybunny]

They dont want new players , more overhead.


This can be taken care of very easily and I am speaking from my capacity.

[Bamzal Sherbet]

the capacity of 7 chinamen?

[Tomatoking]

I cannot believe that the staff thought this was a good idea, and just when the population was just getting to bearable levels.

bearable levels for you or them? you still arent seeing the big picture

seems like no one is

[xblade724]

^ All the fanb0yz are saying "classic. deal with it." but Guess what. This is why our population is almost nothing:

http://i47.tinypic.com/f21s08.png

Staying in the "dark ages" when we were all 13 and had no jobs reminds me of when I lived in the "bible belt" of the south, having fanatics think that the bible is literal and damning everyone to hell for believing otherwise. Get real, we're all in our 20s+ 30s+ now and have limited time. So yea, keep it classic and enjoy low pop, or if you want it REALLY classic, where there is a SERVER POPULATION, that is way more classic to have people than to keep the xp rate high ;)

If you'd rather have burdened XP than population for the classic experience, I really wonder what you look like IRL <3
http://i48.tinypic.com/2l9rvuv.jpg

[Jenni D]

heheheheheh

[Nirgon]

Ok limited time so get to 60 slower




FUCK-ING OBAMA

[xblade724]

Ok limited time so get to 60 slower

That mindset will get you the population you want! *thumbs up!* You've inspired me to open a business and sell hot dogs for $1000 each. Overpriced, they say? They'll eat it eventually! They'll just get the money to purchase it slower!

+1

So how's that going for you guys? Oh yeah... err.. :/

[Heywood]

Honestly, that is quite possibly the worst analogy I have never read.

[Jenni D]

hasnt the server pop doubled in recent weeks?

[Shrubwise]

THANKS OBAMA.

[Bones]

bragging about being high like thats cool.

It is

[Nirgon]

Lol selling 1000$ hot dogs great analogy.

I've been laid to waste.

Dude you had max AA's on your pally before maybe anyone. Breaks my heart that you can't take the classic.

[watbab]

hasnt the server pop doubled in recent weeks?
Yeah, now let's see how it does without the exp bonus.

[Shrubwise]

Yeah, now let's see how it does without the exp bonus.

Our sources confirm, thrive alive. Expected to hit 200 tonight based off calculations.

[SamwiseRed]

using a complex algorithm only understood by the most brilliant mathematicians, pop is going to increase slowly but surely.

[Silent]

Despite the changes to the exp, Even though its been about 2 years since i truly played emu(back when vztz one fell twice i think), I will still be playing as a new player leveling up, The exp bonus would have been nice sure. But leveling still isn't all that hard as long as you have time, Something I have too much of.

[Yertandus]

down with rainbowy flower lollipop giggles and down with bonus xp. I say keep shit classic, its for the better if its hard and unrewarding. and thats why its called project 99 and not project something else. its supposed to be classic right? hell, I wouldn't even complain if we had to use the original UI or if we had to stare at our spell books to med. im here for the nostalgia why the hell else would you be here? and have they taken out global ooc suck chat yet? tired of that too. this is making me a grumpy old man. when I open my mouth my father comes out :( "back in my day, shit was classic. and the uphill both ways thing."

[Tippett]

agree /ooc needs to go

[Kevynne]

Ooc need ago go
Need yt

XD is just fine. Just leveled 8-11 n my paladin n befallen. Tole 3 hours.

[Lexical]

Here are my view points. I am new to this server and hearing a lot of people who have 3+ lvl 60s argue about my thoughts on the subject matter is rather entertaining, but I digress...

The XP bonus was a good thing I felt because most of the population on this server is at much higher levels. There is a limited community at the lower lvls and that "community" was you, your clothe clad toon and the twinks. The twinks, for the most part, don't care to make new friends and just want to kill you and strip what little gold you have. I don't honestly see the appeal of that, but whatever. I got a group of friends to play with me and then made new friends fairly quickly (Shout out to flowers and Legion of Legends) and my experience was very enjoyable from then on. Better than blue honestly, but the population needs to be there.

I do however think that the 75% XP bonus was a little excessive. I originally just rolled a bard to get to 60 as fast as possible and the levels were just stream lining in. It really wasn't that entertaining as it was generally me in a barren zone.

The 25% XP bonus is good for the time being unless they removed it in my day absence, but it seemed to be there while I was on today. But if you really want to increase server pop, start policing lowbie zones for the twinked out lows who just want to kill new players. My friends and I were able to defend ourselves for the most part, but it would require multiple of us and take forever, but most people don't get that advantage. Also, more GM events geared to mid ranged players to keep them playing would help a lot. One of the biggest appeals I find with this server is the GM involvement in terms of events and generally chatting in OOC.

Any new people interested in joining r99 should find a group of people and group with them if you can. Even when a lowbie, battling it out for control of different zones is a lot of fun and you definitely get a bigger sense of comradery on this server than you will ever get on blue.

[Tomatoking]

lol policing low level zones cause you getting rolled by twinks

you wont last here , even if you make 52 youll get a wake up call day 1.

ps , i love your sig i want to hug that cat

[Shrubwise]

*PROOF* Server is dying! RESTORE EXP BONUS IMMEDIATELY

[Lexical]

lol policing low level zones cause you getting rolled by twinks

you wont last here , even if you make 52 youll get a wake up call day 1.

ps , i love your sig i want to hug that cat

No twinks have killed me sir. Only one death from some kid(non-twinked mind you) who sniped me after a risky engagement, but I have gotten my retribution and then some. I am just saying either accept new people and help them join the community or accept the fact the server will slowly die due to not allowing new people to join.

I am curious though. Do you actually play or do you just bitch about the lack of server pop on the forums? :P

[Tippett]

servers doing good, you new nerds have no idea what grief is btw

this place is 100x more friendly then even 6 months ago

[Lexical]

servers doing good, you new nerds have no idea what grief is btw

this place is 100x more friendly then even 6 months ago

I agree that the server is doing well. I will also agree I have not been griefed on this server and this community for the large part is a great one. There are bad apples though that ruin it for new people. It took me a while to convince some of my friends(and others who still vehemently decline) to play on this server again due to the fact they were corpse camped at level 2 by a gang of twinks. Just seems counter productive to do crap like that and then wonder why no new people join and stay. But maybe I am just blowing shit out of my mouth. I am having a great time on this server. :D

[Tippett]

this server is better then blue flat out, the problem is the only people interested ( EQ nostalgia fans) were/are already probably playing blue and who wants to regrind/refarm is all

[Tomatoking]

No twinks have killed me sir. Only one death from some kid(non-twinked mind you) who sniped me after a risky engagement, but I have gotten my retribution and then some. I am just saying either accept new people and help them join the community or accept the fact the server will slowly die due to not allowing new people to join.

I am curious though. Do you actually play or do you just bitch about the lack of server pop on the forums? :P

i played until recently

and the server staff does not care about new people , nor do they care if it slowly dies

it fulfills its purpose which you arent able to understand at this point. In time maybe , but not for now.