New patch is good, friendly PSA from Dr. Nirgon

[Nirgon]

All of these changes were needed and should have gone in much sooner. However, their timing and lack of notice bears consideration by both staff and players.

Changes made, staff involvement, what's real and where you need to get your head out of your ass
The guild tags on the same line give a great sense of classic here, and if the UI work can be completed and enforced this server have an incredibly classic, almost authentic feel. Every change in those patch notes is necessary to make the server more classic.

Regarding the Chardok change, Arzak/Sundawg didn't make the decision to change it on his own upon Azrael gaining access. Nizzar is behind the timing on this change, I assure you and unfortunately Arzak allows himself to remain a scape goat. Nizzar pointed this out to him and gave him access to his enchanter to test on EQ Mac/live (tired haven't had my coffee yet, recall EQ Mac). Upon seeing this as a non-classic discrepancy, he changed it. Had his behavior on the forums been better, I wouldn't have attacked Arzak so much about this or championed attacks on him either. You have Nizzar to blame for this, not Arzak. Hopefully he can gather his senses and stop trolling players, it does no one any good and moves bullseyes away from the real problem (noted twice here... came back and underlined to really help you get the point here). I wish both parties would just be honest about this and at least, in the future, ensure that everyone has to follow the same process. I see paladin spells and other things being patched, but where's my 680dmg lure of lightning? That should be an easy one that I reported long ago, yet, couldn't be made. Where's the sense of integrity from the other guild to allow him to use said enchanter to test charming Sirran? Well, folks, Nizzar has no integrity. If you speak with the TMO officers, they'll tell you he was a clever raid leader (there are many better than him) but also someone who would try and RMT things out of their guild bank. They'd be happy also to tell you the tales of Rallyd being banned time, and time, and time again for boxing or exploiting or Supreme's MQ use, and general sloth/lack of skill. All fact, not fiction, and see if any of them have a minute to spell it out for you if you don't believe me.

One thing that was absolutely not handled correctly though, was Rogean's "surprise epics!" ooc during the day. This should have been announced on the front page in advance. I've witnessed behavior in game like wurmslayers and barbed scale whips being sold (hi2u Cyborella!), especially increasing in frequency on the day prior to this change. I have reports of players being camped out and ready in specific places as well for their epic turn ins. This could all just be coincidence, and I'm not saying any of it was planned, but it was very obviously noticed and of single benefit to a .... certain party. I hope this is handled better on the future and patches are announced in advance to give everyone a fair benefit. Further, releasing this patch without removing the reported list of non-classic drops just makes me scratch my head. I, as well as many many others, feel like this was just taking the easy way out, or again, as a spiteful action against a group of players here who have legitamate complaints, although ones that need more direction.

Big Nilbog seemed a little on edge when I spoke with him in game, and appearances by him to do Q&A/damage control on the trolling do go a long way. If you're going to go after Arzak/Sundawg, be very specific in doing so but keep in mind what I've outlined above. Don't make broad generalizations about the staff, this is just used as ammunition to say "look how shitty the playerbase here is". Surely, the others could do something about his behavior, but they probably don't have the time. He acts like a complete jerk/moron on the forums making anonymous troll accounts and championing a completely broken resist system... and by that I mean vztz 2.0 was light years ahead in functionality. However, there is still hope for him... maybe. Hopefully we can get with the program and convince Nilbog that this server is worth keeping up, right now I'm sure he has mixed feelings on the negative side... work to change that. We're asking for simple things and maybe, just maybe, we can get just a simple yes or no from Rogean to allow the resist changes we so badly need to be open sourced (I know that I, and probably Vile, would be involved and definitely get this mess traightened out). Simple if/else logic to include making player targets exempt from level specific spell checks when spells are cast on targets would go a long way. So would implementing caps and ceilings on at least game breaking root/snare spells.

Guilds, where each fits in and moving forward
That said, my condolences to guild Azrael. The Shadoo change shouldn't rustle your jimmies too much. You still can farm all that non-classic blue diamond resist gear and make +poison resist bracers (dirt cheap might I add) to cover the spread. Further, Trak's breath is so easily resistable here, I think if you got a swing at him you'd be suprised if you had at least diamond jewelry (get on that). The abudance of thex daggers here also makes Hoshkar a less better pill to swallow. You still need to level up and finish your resist sets to compete. Worry about that, not about how far you are behind. You're not killing a lot of these targets with or without Nihilum on the box yet.

For all your complaints about Nihilum, let me remind you that it takes perseverance to beat your odds here. Something I have seen quite lacking on both sides. Nihilum has a few that carry a lot of weight. They've lost major key players like Nerfed and Hughman and I assure you the Nihilum of today is not the one we fought back a year ago. They have a lot of blue faces, many inexperienced who only have the "talent" of infinite time investment. Further with this point, many are not skilled in PvP and are very easily beatable once you level up and get some necessary basics. On the non-Nihilum side, you guys need to stop waiting for PLs to come around, learn to push forward with the slow xp (duo with a class that can snare if you are a melee) and keep pushing the xp bar little by little every day. Your 60s need to log in and play their mains to try and form groups and organize xp. If you don't, you will surely burn out and fail. They also need to recognize the need to protect their groups of lower level players trying to xp.

Take TMO's rise to power on blue as an example. They weren't always the top guild and lived for quite a bit in the DA/IB/whatever the hell you want to call them's shadow. They still exhibit these similar levels of organization and certainly effort to remain on top, although currently less is required to maintain their status quo given current competition. Take note! Challenging the throne of a raid guild or even a few of their targets doesn't happen by afking in xp groups, crying with your hand out for gear, crying for faster xp to be patched in or conversely being 60 and sitting there with your thumb in your ass wondering why everyone else can't be as good as you. Bundy and I came back BUTT ASS NAKED and already are reaching raid ready status at least for resist sets. Everyone is capable of doing the same if they get organized and put in the effort. Effort is something no one else can give you, it's between you and... you.

This post in the making after logging out last evening frustrated with people's lack of ability to get motivated or see the truth. This post made public because I've had to explain this individually too many times and at length to ensure I covered all the bases as relevant to the state of the server. Finally, this is posted (obviously) in rough draft format because I've spent enough time putting it together.

Have fun with it!

[Smedy]

holyfuckballs, summary please

[Nirgon]

This should be an excellent training excerise regarding the lack of "effort" mentioned.

If you can't read ~ 5 paragraphs, time to re-examine your ability to get motivated and accomplish things :P.

Good read, would recommend to anyone seeking the way, the truth and the light.

[Supreme]

All of these changes were needed and should have gone in much sooner. However, their timing and lack of notice bears consideration by both staff and players.

Changes made, staff involvement, what's real and where you need to get your head out of your ass
The guild tags on the same line give a great sense of classic here, and if the UI work can be completed and enforced this server have an incredibly classic, almost authentic feel. Every change in those patch notes is necessary to make the server more classic.

Regarding the Chardok change, Arzak/Sundawg didn't make the decision to change it on his own upon Azrael gaining access. Nizzar is behind the timing on this change, I assure you and unfortunately Arzak allows himself to remain a scape goat. Nizzar pointed this out to him and gave him access to his enchanter to test on EQ Mac/live (tired haven't had my coffee yet, recall EQ Mac). Upon seeing this as a non-classic discrepancy, he changed it. Had his behavior on the forums been better, I wouldn't have attacked Arzak so much about this or championed attacks on him either. You have Nizzar to blame for this, not Arzak. Hopefully he can gather his senses and stop trolling players, it does no one any good and moves bullseyes away from the real problem (noted twice here... came back and underlined to really help you get the point here). I wish both parties would just be honest about this and at least, in the future, ensure that everyone has to follow the same process. I see paladin spells and other things being patched, but where's my 680dmg lure of lightning? That should be an easy one that I reported long ago, yet, couldn't be made. Where's the sense of integrity from the other guild to allow him to use said enchanter to test charming Sirran? Well, folks, Nizzar has no integrity. If you speak with the TMO officers, they'll tell you he was a clever raid leader (there are many better than him) but also someone who would try and RMT things out of their guild bank. They'd be happy also to tell you the tales of Rallyd being banned time, and time, and time again for boxing or exploiting or Supreme's MQ use, and general sloth/lack of skill. All fact, not fiction, and see if any of them have a minute to spell it out for you if you don't believe me.

One thing that was absolutely not handled correctly though, was Rogean's "surprise epics!" ooc during the day. This should have been announced on the front page in advance. I've witnessed behavior in game like wurmslayers and barbed scale whips being sold (hi2u Cyborella!), especially increasing in frequency on the day prior to this change. I have reports of players being camped out and ready in specific places as well for their epic turn ins. This could all just be coincidence, and I'm not saying any of it was planned, but it was very obviously noticed and of single benefit to a .... certain party. I hope this is handled better on the future and patches are announced in advance to give everyone a fair benefit. Further, releasing this patch without removing the reported list of non-classic drops just makes me scratch my head. I, as well as many many others, feel like this was just taking the easy way out, or again, as a spiteful action against a group of players here who have legitamate complaints, although ones that need more direction.

Big Nilbog seemed a little on edge when I spoke with him in game, and appearances by him to do Q&A/damage control on the trolling do go a long way. If you're going to go after Arzak/Sundawg, be very specific in doing so but keep in mind what I've outlined above. Don't make broad generalizations about the staff, this is just used as ammunition to say "look how shitty the playerbase here is". Surely, the others could do something about his behavior, but they probably don't have the time. He acts like a complete jerk/moron on the forums making anonymous troll accounts and championing a completely broken resist system... and by that I mean vztz 2.0 was light years ahead in functionality. However, there is still hope for him... maybe. Hopefully we can get with the program and convince Nilbog that this server is worth keeping up, right now I'm sure he has mixed feelings on the negative side... work to change that. We're asking for simple things and maybe, just maybe, we can get just a simple yes or no from Rogean to allow the resist changes we so badly need to be open sourced (I know that I, and probably Vile, would be involved and definitely get this mess traightened out). Simple if/else logic to include making players exempt from level specific spell checks when spells are cast on targets would go a long way. So would implementing caps and ceilings on at least game breaking root/snare spells.

Guilds, where each fits in and moving forward
That said, my condolences to guild Azrael. The Shadoo change shouldn't rustle your jimmies too much. You still can farm all that non-classic blue diamond resist gear and make +poison resist bracers (dirt cheap might I add) to cover the spread. Further, Trak's breath is so easily resistable here, I think if you got a swing at him you'd be suprised if you had at least diamond jewelry (get on that). The abudance of thex daggers here also makes Hoshkar a less better pill to swallow. You still need to level up and finish your resist sets to compete. Worry about that, not about how far you are behind. You're not killing a lot of these targets with or without Nihilum on the box yet.

For all your complaints about Nihilum, let me remind you that it takes perseverance to beat your odds here. Something I have seen quite lacking on both sides. Nihilum has a few that carry a lot of weight. They've lost major key players like Nerfed and Hughman and I assure you the Nihilum of today is not the one we fought back a year ago. They have a lot of blue faces, many inexperienced who only have the "talent" of infinite time investment. Further with this point, many are not skilled in PvP and are very easily beatable once you level up and get some necessary basics. On the non-Nihilum side, you guys need to stop waiting for PLs to come around, learn to push forward with the slow xp (duo with a class that can snare if you are a melee) and keep pushing the xp bar little by little every day. Your 60s need to log in and play their mains to try and form groups and organize xp. If you don't, you will surely burn out and fail. Take TMO's rise to power on blue as an example. They weren't always the top guild and lived for quite a bit in the DA/IB/whatever the hell you want to call them's shadow. They still exhibit these similar levels of organization and certainly effort to remain on top, although currently less is required to maintain their status quo given current competition. Take note! Challenging the throne of a raid guild or even a few of their targets doesn't happen by afking in xp groups, crying with your hand out for gear, crying for faster xp to be patched in or conversely being 60 and sitting there with your thumb in your ass wondering why everyone else can't be as good as you. Bundy and I came back BUTT ASS NAKED and already are reaching raid ready status at least for resist sets. Everyone is capable of doing the same if they get organized and put in the effort. Effort is something no one else can give you, it's between you and... you.

This post in the making after logging out last evening frustrated with people's lack of ability to get motivated or see the truth. This post made public because I've had to explain this individually too many times and at length to ensure I covered all the bases as relevant to the state of the server. Finally, this is posted (obviously) in rough draft format because I've spent enough time putting it together.

Have fun with it!

Is this guy mad or what!

[Tomatoking]

This message is hidden because Nirgon is on your ignore list.

haha u dum

nirgon still posting huge well thought out threads like anyone gives a fuck

get a job nirgon , move on with your life !

[Nirgon]

Hugs you bad at EQ and RL.

Supreme, that's probably around an 8th grade reading level. So, I didn't expect you to get much out of it. Try sounding out the words and using a dictionary. It is also a defense to some of the directionless hate thrown at your guild and the staff in your guild. You might appreciate it.

[Tomatoking]

This message is hidden because Nirgon is on your ignore list.

haha u dum

[heartbrand]

My only issue with this server is the CSR is awful. See: new rules posted, people banned, rules randomly removed with no information about whether they are in effect or have changed, people unbanned with no explanation. Everything else is fine, classic changes being made and people who aren't familiar with classic getting mad. My favorite is the long overdue see invis change to seb. Hopefully they remove OOC soon and put in YT, and maybe a trial item loot implementation of only certain slots

[HippoNipple]

My only issue with this server is the CSR is awful. See: new rules posted, people banned, rules randomly removed with no information about whether they are in effect or have changed, people unbanned with no explanation. Everything else is fine, classic changes being made and people who aren't familiar with classic getting mad. My favorite is the long overdue see invis change to seb. Hopefully they remove OOC soon and put in YT, and maybe a trial item loot implementation of only certain slots

Wouldn't you still be banned if they didn't unban people with no explanation?

[heartbrand]

p.s. azrael fails because its filled with players who wouldn't pass a drug test, no leadership or clear guild vision, horrendous class make up, no cohesion or guild unity, hence why half their guild apped within minutes of the Rogean epics are now in ooc. Any competition here will from a guild on blue moving over, until then its the same people farming the hole and howling stones 24:7 talking about how they are red as fuck.

[heartbrand]

Wouldn't you still be banned if they didn't unban people with no explanation?

And that makes it a good system because?

[SamwiseRed]

p.s. azrael fails because its filled with players who wouldn't pass a drug test, no leadership or clear guild vision, horrendous class make up, no cohesion or guild unity, hence why half their guild apped within minutes of the Rogean epics are now in ooc. Any competition here will from a guild on blue moving over, until then its the same people farming the hole and howling stones 24:7 talking about how they are red as fuck.

you impersonated staff, although your intentions were just to troll, this would be a perma bannable offense on live and classic.

[Nirgon]

Edit: Regrettable recent discovery. Exploited loot removal was a lie. Wtf?

[heartbrand]

It was almost impossible to get perma banned on live. But that wasn't my point at all, I was speaking to the fact we still have no rules, the last ones being removed with no info, and people being banned for trivial ooc comments while people such as slathar spam it with everything under the sun 24/7. I'm all for let's let people do what they want as long as the rule applications are consistent. Unfortunately on this server they've been anything but.

[HippoNipple]

And that makes it a good system because?

I didn't say it was good or bad. I was just verifying the irony of the statement.

[heartbrand]

No irony at all, I suggest you look up the definition of irony.

[Nirgon]

HB, I suggested that there be an IRC "town hall meeting" with Sirken.

You aren't wrong here and it is an issue that should be put to bed, but that was impossible when we had such a clueless/warped GM in the past. Now, I know it is possible.

[heartbrand]

Say what you want about Amelinda but I found her to always be willing to talk over any rulings she made and she caught tons of boxers and was on 24:7 to where you could pm her on IRC about suspected boxing and she'd be in unrest thirty seconds later on the scene. But, the issue of no clear delineated rules was still rampant with her as well, as it will always continue to be, until something is done.

[Nirgon]

She wasn't capable of making rules or really enforcing the ones that already existed, not to mention other things that have been beaten to death far outside the interest of server integrity.

Heartbrand 1.0 was aware of this. Don't pretend otherwise.

She'd say "its OK to do this", receive complaints from Nihilum and then say "uh lemme talk to Rogean" then guess what happened :P.

This is the age of Sirken. Let's get us a little house meetin' together.

[Tippett]

ITT: Exp bonus removal patch good when Nigron is already 55+

[heartbrand]

My suggested rules?

1) Enforce name policy again, tons of non classic ridiculous offensive name all over the place.

2) ninja looting a-ok allow PVP and reputation to solve it

3) training needs to be frapsed and the video viewed by two GMs who can enforce anything from nothing to two weeks depending upon severity, but also respecting the CLASSIC no gm intervention zones, planes + vp

4) griefing such as porting people to bad spots, changing binds, a-ok, allow server to police

5) remove ooc or limit to five minute per ooc with warning then two week then perma removal of ooc ability for offensive ooc (this is key because it hurts the pop)

6) ignore all tell issues except for severe abuse such as multiple account spamming, telling. Newbs server is shutting down etc.

7) boxing is perma ban

8) all suspensions MUST be made with a PM to the player on boards if possible (this will be easier when/if forum accounts get tied to game accounts with SMS)

9) no bans punishment for account related issues that don't involve hacking, if you share the info you bear the risk

10) pathing exploits case by case basis this category is very hard

11) game exploitation case by case impossible to cover all

[Nirgon]

I think the exp bonus can stay in if people can't play without it dude.

Server population and population by level sure isn't classic. However, my ability to tolerate classic EQ and that of others is not the same.

If people can't live without it, it serves us well to keep the population alive with it.

Most people will still complain about xp regardless of it and still roll solo rogues and shit.

[Tippett]

uh yeah 95% of the server getting to use the bonus to level/PL as many toons as they want fast as fuck and now exp is literally 1/3 the speed is fair

ur rite

[Nirgon]

Whether I'm right or not (I think I am) isn't what I care about though, I'm just being objective and honest.

[Tippett]

Population nearing 200 confirmed too high, need to increase that absurd barrier of entry some more and get it back down to 100 and then hopefully 30 again

[Handpartytowel]

in the past i was pretty sour about the integrity of this server. mostly due to hamelinda being a wretched and foul hosebeast.

with the harpy queen gone and sirken on watch however i have high hopes. good leaders place trust in their lieutenants. rogean needs to give sirken the sheriff badge for red and focus on higher level shit like keeping server up, managing staff etc.

one big glaring problem for me is the obvious conflict of interest of allowing dev/gm staff to have player characters. this is simply bad policy. cant blame azrack for using his unique position to help out his friends, its human nature for something you are this emotionally invested in. but the policy needs to change.

[Nirgon]

Yes, Sirken needs some DB access at least for item removal.

I feel like he's qualified to do such things.

We can't just keep doing this "that's Rogean or Null territory, ask them".

Rogean patched in the epics with doing the removal FFS.

Sirken needs real power, unless, there truly is a conflict of interest here.

Btw, I did not read Nirgon's OP. Seriously, who would? :D

There isn't enough adderall in the world to make you capable of reading that, fucko. I'm aware, no hard feelings.

[heartbrand]

I realize this is a troll but I'll respond nonetheless.

1) Sundawg if that's who you're referring to is not part of the CSR process.

2) I'm not criticizing the people, I'm criticizing the process, and I think even the members of the CSR staff here would agree that the process could be improved.

RIP Heartbrand tho

[heartbrand]

RIP Heartbrand

[Nirgon]

Ok Cast, you've got us all. We're immersed (right back atchu pal) and trying to fight a probably fruitless battle (back at you again, see posting history) to save the box.

Can't you just let us wallow in our failures? Isn't that enough entertainment for you? Sheeyit.

[Nirgon]

1. Non-classic but, much like the xp curve, makes levelling for many tolerable. Going on that note, EverQuest is a game where your reputation matters. If you don't like what's being said about you? Stop doing it.

2. I'm all for classic enforcement.

[Heywood]

one big glaring problem for me is the obvious conflict of interest of allowing dev/gm staff to have player characters. this is simply bad policy. cant blame azrack for using his unique position to help out his friends, its human nature for something you are this emotionally invested in. but the policy needs to change.

[Tippett]

biggest problem is exp is gone

[Nirgon]

No Arzak isn't the problem. Nizzar directing him is. That's where the conflict comes from.

Learn to read! I fucking underlined it!

[Heywood]

I read it alright, doesn't mean I have to completely agree with you because of it. It's an obvious conflict of interest. Had Azrak not had a regular char, this change would have been made a long time ago, or not at all.

[Taresh]

Is it just me or is it funny HB is calling for no action against account theft?

[Handpartytowel]

you learn to read. i obviously stated that the policy needs to change, regardless of what specific dual personalities it applies to.

[heartbrand]

Is it just me or is it funny HB is calling for no action against account theft?

Actually it would've hurt me in the past with the Zibby account. I have no issue lobbying for rules that make sense even if they are detrimental to me, unlike others.

[Tomatoking]

hilarious how much some of you care

[Nirgon]

Okay that's one way to look at it: if Arzak wasn't a player and in the guild, Sarnak faction wouldn't have been fixed as fast.

The point is Nizzar reported it after he was done abusing it and to cock block Azrael.

Sorry for being so harsh in my recommendation, it's just pretty obvious :).

Your point definitely stands HPT... if he wasn't in league with them I don't think the change would have been made as quickly... but you can't just presume that imo. He's quick on responding to faction issues and correcting them I must say.

Whereas the case I present (admittedly!) happened.

[RoguePhantom]

Biggest Problems:

1. Nihilum exploiting pathing and faction for 10x longer than others. Completely broken and gear lead is INSURMOUNTABLE when you consider that everyone on this server wants pixels. 25% of Azrael has already 'silently' apped to Nihilum because of pixels.

2. EXP Death. Its stupid, bring back Item loot.

3. Consider this an entire Beta Test. Wipe and Roll it "live" when Velious is ready.

[Nirgon]

1 - not insurmountable. See TMO success story. Step 1 is getting that out of your head. There's a long road to Velious still.

2. Tru dat, fix resists first.

3. That ain't happenin', trust me on that and it'd prob kill pop.

[Heywood]

Pras Dr. Nirgon M.D.

[Nirgon]

Pras Dr. Nirgon DDS


Doctor of oral surgery pal.

[Combobreaker]

Sounds like Nirgon going for that DEEP CLEANING

avatar appropriateness +10

[Supreme]

Biggest Problems:

1. Nihilum exploiting pathing and faction for 10x longer than others.

.


So on one hand you have pals claiming GM/Devs are in Nihilum. Then on the other you claim that we are only able to do what we do using pathing and faction exploits.

:confused:

[Nirgon]

If you go through my post I'm not taking my usual shots at Nihilum.

I'd appreciate if everyone can set their own selfish interests aside here.

I've basically freed the staff from any wrong doing that was supposed to exist and outlined how this all happened.

I hope we can move toward making this a well populated, bad ass, classic server.

If these small resist issues get straightened out (don't care who does it, even me) I gladly got my 15 a mo on this bitch to help recoup any lost $$ for server cost.

Many of us gladly would truly support a true classic RZ reincarnation. It just ain't there yet, feel me!

[raka]

p.s. azrael fails because its filled with players who wouldn't pass a drug test, no leadership or clear guild vision, horrendous class make up, no cohesion or guild unity, hence why half their guild apped within minutes of the Rogean epics are now in ooc. Any competition here will from a guild on blue moving over, until then its the same people farming the hole and howling stones 24:7 talking about how they are red as fuck.

you can play EQ without drugs?

[Clearrain]

I was going to play again with my brother, re-downloaded and everything.

Is the XP bonus removal intentional?

[Tippett]

considering they havent said anywhere when asked dozens of times it isnt im going to assume it is

[Clearrain]

Then fuck it.

[Taresh]

read nirgon's post while stuffing my fat mouth with breakfast.

Great points, wants to help the community, no targeting at certain guilds

pras nirgon

[Pudge]

nilbog said he has to check with rogean on whether it was intentional or not

[Nirgon]

pras nirgon

I'd very selflishly sell anyone here out for a truly classic RZ server, so don't warm up to me too much :P.

Think you should all stop working with/support Nizzar tho. He's turned you against the staff and I believe development is stagnated by doing such things... can't say I blame them.

Arzak should have stepped up and said how it all actually went down rather than letting all of this bull shit continue. Gotta put the server first bro.

[Clearrain]

I'm pretty sure I still have that fuc en fag pic of that dead paladin somewhere in my pic folders

[Clearrain]

I'd very selflishly sell anyone here out for a truly classic RZ server, so don't warm up to me too much :P.

no drop gear and caster's paradise

[Vile]

is precious xp gone?

[Nirgon]

no drop gear and caster's paradise

I'd gladly trade my wizard when I'm done with him at 60 for a 59 rogue with ragebringer (hi2u ez as fuk epic) or monk with tstaff or even a warrior/sk/pally in a classic item loot system.

If this post is well received (has been so far minus derpies), I'll be happy as fuk to write up why item loot:

1. no drop etc works for all classes
2. the risk / reward system, an EQ hallmark is supported and how it effects the strategy of each class with, again, risk/reward in mind
3. its good for server health

Broken resists and item loot is actually the worst idea though. This current system has sufficed in classic I suppose and the meantime while other things were developed, but it needs to go sooner than later. Do not mistake my words for just trying to rush item loot in here, I do have my priorities straight.

[Supreme]

Arzak should have stepped up and said how it all actually went down rather than letting all of this bull shit continue. Gotta put the server first bro.

Ya you are totally unbiased.

I mean if Arzak was in Holocaust you would not say anything but PRAIZE!!!

[Nirgon]

I got Scowl suspended while I was in Holocaust for ninja looting, what now?

You'd be surprised what I report quietly.

Right now though, I'm pretty pro exploit/train against Nihilum. I'll agree with you there. Really have had enough considering the failure to remove items for epics that did not match the time line. Sirken/Nilbog/Rogean/(I presume) Kanras/Sundawg were all fully aware and allowed further taint into the server and it's too late to go back. Trust me, I'm not happy about that and it woulda been no big deal for you to correctly farm it all back (uncontested!) esp considering we have plenty of time before Velious. That said, we will just have to all move on and hope something like this doesn't happen again.

Way to put server integrity first Supreme. But you're no stranger to abusing MacroQuest and lying about it. I expect 0 from you. Your stupidity and laughable defenses therein are recgonized as such, stupid and laughable, by all.

[Clearrain]

1. no drop etc works for all classes
2. the risk / reward system, an EQ hallmark is supported and how it effects the strategy of each class with, again, risk/reward in mind
3. its good for server health


1. Casters lose less ability with no drop.

2. There is no risk in no drop.

3. No, it's not.

[Nirgon]

1. Casters can no longer abuse root/snare against melee. Kunark weapons + no drop... I think you might need a crash course in EQ pvp under such a system. Try fighting a skilled paladin with working resists using a no drop wizard's mana pool. Or the price you pay against a good rogue getting casts off. You realize 120 resist is near immunity for almost all even con casts that are non-lure based? Do you know that it will benefit necros too who currently are weak 1v1 or how powerful healing becomes then? How about shamans who use disease debuff stacking? Again, I speak from experience, you are jumping to conclusions. I lol @ naked wizards in such a system taking ebolts etc to the face, or when they try to spam draught into a necro wearing resist gear.. or just try fighting a shaman in general as a naked wizard.

2. Yes there is, if you want to wear plat diamond rings etc to get to that correctly functioning regular partial/resist level.

3. See 1&2, RZ was bad ass.


Again, I'll save a full write up when we get open sourcing or another dev on resists.

[Clearrain]

fighting a skilled paladin with any pool of mana is a pain in the ass.

I remember item loot on vz, I also remember the staggeringly lopsided poll when they were voting to take away item loot.

[RoguePhantom]

So on one hand you have pals claiming GM/Devs are in Nihilum. Then on the other you claim that we are only able to do what we do using pathing and faction exploits.

:confused:

Yes.

Exploiting Multiple dragons and other raid mobs by pathing, axis bugs, faction issues. You do this countless times and then say, "Oh, its a known bug." But bugs being used should be BANNED.

Ask Holocaust. Ask the people who got banned for abusing pathing in LGuk, or abusing the charmmable mobs in OOT and Neriak.

Two sides to every coin, Nihilum just seems to have one that always comes up heads. Go figure.

[Nirgon]

Dragon bug was target's head was thru ceiling and couldn't resolve pathing or attack because of it. Confirmed.
Also explains why you can bug Phinny in his ceiling.

Will gladly accept change from my wiz at any point to barb rogue or iksar monk, thx.

[Supreme]

Yes.

Exploiting Multiple dragons and other raid mobs by pathing, axis bugs, faction issues. You do this countless times and then say, "Oh, its a known bug." But bugs being used should be BANNED.

Ask Holocaust. Ask the people who got banned for abusing pathing in LGuk, or abusing the charmmable mobs in OOT and Neriak.

Two sides to every coin, Nihilum just seems to have one that always comes up heads. Go figure.

You are claiming that Nihilum does this currently.

Yet the specific examples happened over a year ago, was addressed by GMs, loot was removed and people moved on. Cept the dead and defeated losers that want to whine just to have something to whine about.

It is no wonder there cannot be another competitive guild on red....

[mostbitter]

How long did it take to have that loot removed? What impact did that have on holocaust being banned? Did you guys refuse to stack resist poison and shadoo out of the purity of your hearts?

[Nirgon]

You are claiming that Nihilum does this currently.

Yet the specific examples happened over a year ago, was addressed by GMs, loot was removed and people moved on. Cept the dead and defeated losers that want to whine just to have something to whine about.

It is no wonder there cannot be another competitive guild on red....

You were defeated, logged and "moved on" after we took your strat and stacked your corpses 13 high all over solb/lava.

Shame really :/. Oh well, see you out there for round 2 on the Sirken box.

[Clearrain]

well nirgon the population got too high so this patch was created to kill it, how does the title of your thread make you feel now?

[Nirgon]

I never want to see the pop fall (unless previous GM was still in POWER)

[Clearrain]

Fair enough.

[Nirgon]

Actually I have confirmation from Mellowyellow (wait for it) and Nerfed that none of this loot was ever removed.

They still have the loot to confirm it.

Wtf?

Nizzar what you got going on here dawg?

Want me to try and find out? Or fess up? Comment from Emperor Rogean?

Just when you thought everything was good I get something like this in my ear :/.

[Tomatoking]

This message is hidden because Nirgon is on your ignore list.

haha u dum

[Jenni D]

who cares.

server will never be 100% clean whistle

my advice; just enjoy the pvp

[Tippett]

yeah everyone having their epic within 3 hours of epic patch is classic

[Nirgon]

Well I'm loyal to Hughman and Nerfed now and the loot in question still exists.

Nothing strange or coincidental about that.

I think we'd all really appreciate an explanation for that and the items dropping before epics not being removed.

[SamwiseRed]

i like hughman, i liked nerfed, i like nirgon

great team, great coach, great play!

i feel like madden.

[Nirgon]

I'd just like to know why they got away with cheating and we were lied to really.

[fiegi 2.5]

I can confirm that the exploited raid loot from holocaust was removed. Shield from Keto, Bag from Xantille.

I think rogean threatened bans if ppl didn't PM him the items, so wouldn't surprise me if ppl just said why bother hes prolly just gonna forget about it the next time he logs into star wars and some of the loot is still on the server.

[coshea46]

biggest problem is exp is gone

yar!:mad:

[Nirgon]

I recall also our loot was removed, but why not theirs?

We have the smoking gun in our possession now.

Explain.

[Rettii]

Nirgon is honorable and trying to help encourage the other guilds, nothing wrong with that.

+1

[Jenni D]

why isnt nirgon tagged azrael if hes this passionate?

aw hell, just relax pals its a game

[SamwiseRed]

im seeing a lot of vets return that are not going to nilly or azrael. something is in the works.

btw nirgon is right on a lot of shit. for one, he prob has better resist gear than most of the people who have been on this box over a year. hes leveling up and gearing up before hes raiding, the current players are doing this all backwards. all i here is level up level up then is see the same level 60s spend all their play time leveling up a twink alt. wtf defend your groups, defend your territory. we got undergeared level 50s trying to xp in KC while a group of level 60s camps a fungi for the 3rd alt. tell me this doesnt happen? i was on to something similiar with VV but on a way smaller scale. we had 1-40 all on faydark. we all stayed on faydark and were always assisting the lower level players. take that same idea but on a bigger scale and thats what needs to happen. gratz you killed a world dragon but half the guild is still low 50s with classic gear and no resist set.

[Jenni D]

a third progression guild could make it interesting at high end. cant see it happening though

[SamwiseRed]

would be nice but for now im just going to help make norrath by spreading happiness.

[Nirgon]

Yeah a lot of my shit checks out doesn't it?

[watbab]

im seeing a lot of vets return that are not going to nilly or azrael. something is in the works.
There isn't a single decent high lvl guild option on Red99 atm. If you join Nihilum you have to be guilded with Nihilum members. If you join Azrael you have to deal with all the attitudes and cliquishness you'd expect from a #1 guild except without any of the success.

[Tomatoking]

a third progression guild could make it interesting at high end. cant see it happening though

it would make the server great, theres enough interest exp is just too slow

this isnt blue99 its RED 99 and the people who come here arent going to grind for 3 months to play

i screamed for beta exp before server went live , if they kept beta exp we would have 300 level 60s and sick battles over dragons

wouldnt that be better? last time i played hugs as a 55 clr i killed 21 mobs solo and did not get 1 blue of exp

[Kringe]

There isn't a single decent high lvl guild option on Red99 atm. If you join Nihilum you have to be guilded with Nihilum members. If you join Azrael you have to deal with all the attitudes and cliquishness you'd expect from a #1 guild except without any of the success.

I wouldnt be so sure of that..


Just hang on to your horses...

[Tippett]

Dentists stock skyrocketing

[Jenni D]

if you are a cleric, you can grind to 59 super fast on the 4 pop dar ghoul knights area in lguk by the sentinel spot

not sure where you are killing 21 mobs for one blue exp.

[Nirgon]

Hugs we're not inviting you to Dentists, don't get your hopes up.

[Jenni D]

of course, with current xp probably not so good anymore

[fiegi 2.5]

if you are a cleric, you can grind to 59 super fast on the 4 pop dar ghoul knights area in lguk by the sentinel spot

not sure where you are killing 21 mobs for one blue exp.

this

i got 59 with like 3 days played

[Heywood]

There isn't a single decent high lvl guild option on Red99 atm. If you join Nihilum you have to be guilded with Nihilum members. If you join Azrael you have to deal with all the attitudes and cliquishness you'd expect from a #1 guild except without any of the success.

Bring back the Domingueros of Norrath

[Handpartytowel]

this

i got 59 with like 3 days played

so just make that 9 days with current xp

[Xantille]

Damn. Now that exp is fixed, I can return to my other passion in life.

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[Dacuk]

all i know is that i'm getting pretty sick of being root spammed every time i pvp a non melee. shit lands depressingly often, then takes 2 hrs to grind back that death. and then when i do get a kill, no YT?? fuckin A its great to see the pop moving in the right direction, just starting to feel like the pvp aspects of this server are way past stale and will hurt it big time in the long run

fix resits, add YT please rogean what are you holding up for man..

[Tippett]

2/6 roots landed @ 204 MR never forget

[Smedy]

this

i got 59 with like 3 days played

the fuck, your immersion must be beyond compare, can i pay you to level me dawg?

[fiegi 2.5]

my immersion is at an all time low actually atm

was thinking about lvling a rogue but the removal of xp bonus might actually remove me from norrath for good

[Nizzarr]

Damn. Now that exp is fixed, I can return to my other passion in life.

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Thread over.