Non-classic patch to promote 3rd party programs like autofire

[Metallikus]

Rogean: Mobs will no longer immediately aggro players within 3 seconds of spawning, and they will be immune to any non-targetted spells (PB AEs or Targetted AEs they aren't the target of).


What is the reason for this ignorance?

Why promote autofire over cooperation?

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Perhaps they have added something to detect the use of said programs secretly?

[Thana8088]

Why promote autofire over cooperation?

What kind of cooperation involves an AFK cleric getting FTE?

[Acillatem]

Unfortunately there are many things that have been done in order to "adapt" to what we have on P99 (Top-heavy, more raid oriented community) that aren't consistent with "keeping it Classic". Even pre-Kunark there were issues that simply weren't the norm on Live due to the population disparity between Live and P99.

In that line of thinking, I don't see this as a means to promote 3rd party programs, but rather a way to actually promote FTE....meaning First to ENGAGE....and not just First to get proximity aggro by luck even tho said person was AFK/unprepared/not even TRYING to engage.

[Thulack]

Hopefully one of the things that will happens after they get done with velious and all its patches is go back and open a new server that follows the exact timeline of patches and xpacs. could open it on a anniversary of EQ opening and go exact dates for patches etc.

[Tippett]

literally never seen a post by metallikus where he didn't seem super whiny and mad

[Malicious Style]

It seems to me that the developers and staff do a great job of providing this server with virtually no budget whatsoever and instead of bitching a little gratitude might be in order.

My thanks go to everyone who puts time and effort into creating Project 1999 and keeping it running. There are a lot of people having a lot of fun. I hope you all remember that for every bitchy post, there are many more of us who look forward to coming home, getting something to eat and drink, and logging in for a little adventure.

[Metallikus]

great job devs, just one question - under what guise was this new game mechanic written?

make up non classic game mechanics that only benefit 3rd party program users using autofiring to get FTE on raid mobs.

GMs have refused to suspend or ban characters that are flagged for using 3rd party programs.

GMs have refused to address autofire FTEs.

WHat other conclusion can be gained from this new game mechanic preventing the mob from randomly choosing a poopsocker for FTE?

If poopsocking is the problem, there are other ways to address it.

This new game mechanic caters to TMO's ability to be AFK and use programs like auto-fire to steal FTE anyways without any repurcusions.

The facts are in the history.

TMO had a disadvatange on FTE for VS becuase most of them are non-KOS and thus VS spawned with usually any other guild on target other than TMO. THis new game mechanic gives them a much higher percentage chance to get VS on poopsock situations than before.

TMO has won all? if not most of all Noble Djorn FTEs in sky because they utilize autofire and the mob is not KOS to anyone when it pops. THis is the framework from which this new game mechanic has been derived. It specifically rewards TMO for using 3rd party programs to get FTE.

This game mechanic will not change poopsocking and doesn't deter it in any way. It only provides an advantage to the guild that has had the most advantages already. What is the point of the new game mechanic?

[Alarti0001]

great job devs, just one question - under what guise was this new game mechanic written?

make up non classic game mechanics that only benefit 3rd party program users using autofiring to get FTE on raid mobs.

GMs have refused to suspend or ban characters that are flagged for using 3rd party programs.

GMs have refused to address autofire FTEs.

WHat other conclusion can be gained from this new game mechanic preventing the mob from randomly choosing a poopsocker for FTE?

If poopsocking is the problem, there are other ways to address it.

This new game mechanic caters to TMO's ability to be AFK and use programs like auto-fire to steal FTE anyways without any repurcusions.

The facts are in the history.

TMO had a disadvatange on FTE for VS becuase most of them are non-KOS and thus VS spawned with usually any other guild on target other than TMO. THis new game mechanic gives them a much higher percentage chance to get VS on poopsock situations than before.

TMO has won all? if not most of all Noble Djorn FTEs in sky because they utilize autofire and the mob is not KOS to anyone when it pops. THis is the framework from which this new game mechanic has been derived. It specifically rewards TMO for using 3rd party programs to get FTE.

This game mechanic will not change poopsocking and doesn't deter it in any way. It only provides an advantage to the guild that has had the most advantages already. What is the point of the new game mechanic?


So isn't accusing gm's of favoritism a bannable offense. Lets do this.... anthax is poison to the community there has been a single positive or constructive thing to ever leave his fingertips.

[India]

Well if what you state about auto fire is correct Metallikus, then perhaps BDA will have a chance at mobs afterall..


http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=846477&postcount=253

[this user was banned]

It seems to me that the developers and staff do a great job of providing this server with virtually no budget whatsoever and instead of bitching a little gratitude might be in order.

My thanks go to everyone who puts time and effort into creating Project 1999 and keeping it running. There are a lot of people having a lot of fun. I hope you all remember that for every bitchy post, there are many more of us who look forward to coming home, getting something to eat and drink, and logging in for a little adventure.

[Tiggles]

So isn't accusing gm's of favoritism a bannable offense. Lets do this.... anthax is poison to the community there has been a single positive or constructive thing to ever leave his fingertips.



Enough is enough ban this dude

[xarzzardorn]

Can this tinfoil GMs are in league with x guild shit please be moved to RNF along with a ban for the OP thanks !

[fishingme]

I do have to say, all accounts that are flagged for MQ should be suspended for a couple of weeks at the very least to see if there are any changes in the raid scene. It very well could put a lot of issues to rest.

[jkfranklin]

Enough is enough ban this dude

[Metallikus]

non-classic end game raid scene game mechanic change implemented without discussion. The fact that it caters to directly give TMO an advantage is apparently irrelevant...You notice the only people that support the new game mechanic are TMO and everyone else invovled are like what the hell is this non-classic BS when we were discussing FTE shouts as the clear favorite solution.

They said they were implementing a FTE shout system along with weekly or bi-weekly maintenance simulated resets, then all of a sudden this other non-classic game mechanic rears its head that seems to be nothing but catering to a TMO rant about an afk player on a poopsock being awarded FTE.

[Alarti0001]

non-classic end game raid scene game mechanic change implemented without discussion. The fact that it caters to directly give TMO an advantage is apparently irrelevant...You notice the only people that support the new game mechanic are TMO and everyone else invovled are like what the hell is this non-classic BS when we were discussing FTE shouts as the clear favorite solution.

They said they were implementing a FTE shout system along with weekly or bi-weekly maintenance simulated resets, then all of a sudden this other non-classic game mechanic rears its head that seems to be nothing but catering to a TMO rant about an afk player on a poopsock being awarded FTE.

This solution is common sense. Anyone who supports and afk member getting FTE is an idiot.

[Rhambuk]

an afk player on spawn point claiming fte is stupid this is a good change. it gives active players the chance to tag the mob over the sitting afk cleric.

think people are arguing just because alarti supports the change =p

[Metallikus]

no one supports afk members getting fte.
no one likes to poopsock.
this mechanic does not solve either one.
people can still afk with autofire going.
people still don't know who has fte during the fight except a gm because no fte shout mechanic
gms have not addressed the 3rd party program autofire issue involved

[falkun]

This solution is common sense. Anyone who supports and afk member getting FTE is an idiot.

Except you can set up auto-fire to continuously spam a button, so you can start up autofire and then AFK. Creating /tar Trakanon macros are hard, bro.

[Ele]

non-classic end game raid scene game mechanic change implemented without discussion. The fact that it caters to directly give TMO an advantage is apparently irrelevant...You notice the only people that support the new game mechanic are TMO and everyone else invovled are like what the hell is this non-classic BS when we were discussing FTE shouts as the clear favorite solution.

They said they were implementing a FTE shout system along with weekly or bi-weekly maintenance simulated resets, then all of a sudden this other non-classic game mechanic rears its head that seems to be nothing but catering to a TMO rant about an afk player on a poopsock being awarded FTE.

They said they were thinking of implementing an FTE shout and periodic simulated resets. They never said it was happening.

How does this cater to TMO specifically? Anyone is capable of smashing their keyboard for 4 hours with targeting hotkeys, leaving auto attack on, and spamming instant click items. You make the assumption that TMO uses autofire without any evidence and further wrongly assume that no other guild does even when presented with contradictory evidence.

[Autotune]

Except you can set up auto-fire to continuously spam a button, so you can start up autofire and then AFK. Creating /tar Trakanon macros are hard, bro.

You guys will cry about anything.

[Ele]

Sept. 2012

Programs that parse the log file are fine, as long as they do not do any type of automatic control/response/manipulation/macro on your character in place of manual control.

[falkun]

You guys will cry about anything.

I'm not commenting on the worthiness of this change, but Alarti's idea that it promotes non-AFK poop socking is silly at best. Autofire can be ran just as well while AFK as not AFK.

I do like that I might see Trakanon before he dishes out his initial AE though.

@Ele: Sounds like autofire is against Server Rules. Hopefully all that use it are punished appropriately. Maybe they can flag/ban for it with the same method they use to flag/ban for MQ.

[Alarti0001]

no one supports afk members getting fte.
no one likes to poopsock.
this mechanic does not solve either one.
people can still afk with autofire going.
people still don't know who has fte during the fight except a gm because no fte shout mechanic
gms have not addressed the 3rd party program autofire issue involved

Fix every single problem or none at all?

This kind of mentality is not progressive and does nothing to help the server. People can use all kinds of ways to cheat I am sure. To assume that we shouldn't fix stupid mechanics based on your tin-hatting is just dumb. BDA Tin-Hat crew out in force. The only evidence we have of auto-fire is dailant---quit and out of TMO, and BDA members.

[Heebo]

I'm not commenting on the worthiness of this change, but Alarti's idea that it promotes non-AFK poop socking is silly at best. Autofire can be ran just as well while AFK as not AFK.

I do like that I might see Trakanon before he dishes out his initial AE though.

@Ele: Sounds like autofire is against Server Rules. Hopefully all that use it are punished appropriately. Maybe they can flag/ban for it with the same method they use to flag/ban for MQ.

Only evidence of autofire I see is from BDA...

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[falkun]

I don't understand why you are quoting me. Please show me where we disagree.

[Autotune]

Instead of having it so anyone can just chill at a raid target and sleep for FTE chances, they now have to run the risk of getting "caught" going turbo.

It's not what I'd consider the best to stop poopsocking (it will probably do nothing to stop people from afking at targets actually), but whatever. They will never do a classic approach and just allow training of raid poopsocks and let the GMs do a hands off thing.

Too much micromanaging of the raid scene by staff, my guess is they enjoy having power...? idk.

[Heebo]

I don't understand why you are quoting me. Please show me where we disagree.

Did I say we disagreed? I'm with ya, brother. Let's bring the hammer down starting with this BDA scum!

[Fael]

Setting up /target buttons with an instant click item hot key and spamming them when the mobs are in window is all that's going on. Stop crying about "undetectable third party programs" when you have no damn proof.

Cmon, its a new person getting FTE every single time; even if you could do something like you are saying, only 1 tool out of 100 would actually go through the trouble. And it would become apparent pretty quickly if those 1 or 2 people were consistently on top of the FTE log.

[Frieza_Prexus]

TMO has won all? if not most of all Noble Djorn FTEs in sky because they utilize autofire and the mob is not KOS to anyone when it pops. THis is the framework from which this new game mechanic has been derived. It specifically rewards TMO for using 3rd party programs to get FTE.

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EDIT: 200 POSTS (I spend entirely too much time in RnF, don't I?)

[Galelor]

Setting up /target buttons with an instant click item hot key and spamming them when the mobs are in window is all that's going on. Stop crying about "undetectable third party programs" when you have no damn proof.

Cmon, its a new person getting FTE every single time; even if you could do something like you are saying, only 1 tool out of 100 would actually go through the trouble. And it would become apparent pretty quickly if those 1 or 2 people were consistently on top of the FTE log.

You realize it is no trouble at all to set this up... it takes less than 5 minutes, and can be done with any modern gaming keyboard...

I really don't care one way or another, but I thought I would point that out...

[Splorf22]

I suppose I could probably get away with it, but as I said I asked Rogean and Nilbog and they requested that I not do it, so I'm not doing it.

[Norathorr]

Should just make every raid mob do an AE Cazic touch when it pops for a certain distance so people could not sit anywhere near its spawn point to wait for it!

[Chloroform]

Rogean: Mobs will no longer immediately aggro players within 3 seconds of spawning, and they will be immune to any non-targetted spells (PB AEs or Targetted AEs they aren't the target of).


What is the reason for this ignorance?

Why promote autofire over cooperation?

LOL why jump to irrational conclusions? sounds like u have paranoia problems. if u need someone to talk to plz, feel free to PM me

[Resheph]

It seems to me that the developers and staff do a great job of providing this server with virtually no budget whatsoever and instead of bitching a little gratitude might be in order.

My thanks go to everyone who puts time and effort into creating Project 1999 and keeping it running. There are a lot of people having a lot of fun. I hope you all remember that for every bitchy post, there are many more of us who look forward to coming home, getting something to eat and drink, and logging in for a little adventure.

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[quido]

Loraen the only ninja that know how 2 Sikuli - grats

I/We could have made our lives easier in this regard a long time ago. It's not hard. I wrote a bot for an online paintball game using Visual Basic (lol) when I was in high school and made thousands of dollars. Automating an effective tracking system would be pretty easy. However, we have no interest in breaking the server rules.

[Alarti0001]

they are talking about 3rd party programs that automatically spam your mouse click extremely fast, theres no way to prevent this and the OP BELIEVES the patch promotes it

FTFY as the OP doesn't think....ever

[Enygma]

Rogean: Mobs will no longer immediately aggro players within 3 seconds of spawning, and they will be immune to any non-targetted spells (PB AEs or Targetted AEs they aren't the target of).


What is the reason for this ignorance?

Why promote autofire over cooperation?

Madtallikus still mad he sucks at video games.

[Sirken]

... In that line of thinking, I don't see this as a means to promote 3rd party programs, but rather a way to actually promote FTE....meaning First to ENGAGE....and not just First to get proximity aggro by luck even tho said person was AFK/unprepared/not even TRYING to engage.

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[Sirken]

hey guys,

stop talking about ways to cheat.

thanks!