# of teeth Trakanon drops

[Nirgon]

This 3-4 teeth drop doesn't match my memory.. and I know this issue has been beat to death, flipped over and then beat to death on the other side.

Here's a quote/source (http://www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2000-11-22) matching my memory:

Damn, that dragon has more teeth then my ex-girfriend when she wasn't careful


Yay for more insta gib life tap teeth!



PS: Bonus here for you guys who update your guild's weekly raid kills etc, this is how it is f'ing done.

[nilbog]

Not sure I even set that up, but I think it *should* be a maximum of 6, but commonly 3-4.

And the undead bard Trakanon shouldn't drop teeth.

I'll take a look at this when I get time.

[Nirgon]

And the real trakanon, not undead bard version, should NOT drop the guts.

[Ele]

And the real trakanon, not undead bard version, should NOT drop the guts.

So bards should not be able to get epic before Undead Bard is implemented?

[Ele]

This 3-4 teeth drop doesn't match my memory.. and I know this issue has been beat to death, flipped over and then beat to death on the other side.

Here's a quote/source (http://www.legacyofsteel.net/Archives/Post/2000-11-22) matching my memory:


Yay for more insta gib life tap teeth!



PS: Bonus here for you guys who update your guild's weekly raid kills etc, this is how it is f'ing done.

How in the world does that Legacy of Steel weekly update reflect any certain # of teeth dropping? It shows a picture of Trakanon's grin, not his loot table. You need more evidence to show he drops more than 4 teeth at any certain time.

[Nirgon]

Here's a 5 toother, source (http://www.agonyguild.com/cgi-bin/events/july2001/072220011.pl)


5 Teeth - Members


I certainly recall him being an f'ing tooth pinata. Guilds here being required to kill 20 Trakanons to go to VP just makes my head spin. Further, the dragons there are trivialized at times by this resistances over 255+ stuff.

Image for great proof of classicness (this site appears to be Velious time line):
http://www.agonyguild.com/events/july2001/072220011trak3.jpg


Breath related: look at those corpses....

Gate related: where they fought him to deal with him gating as outlined in another post

[Handull]

Breath related: look at those corpses....

Gate related: where they fought him to deal with him gating as outlined in another post

nirgon, i do quite like a lot of your bug reports, but in this quoted case i think you need more to prove your point.

gate related that is the logical place to fight him for so many reasons, gate being one of them if he infact gates

dead related, if i show you a screen shot of 70 dead bodies around trak from p99 does that imply that the resist check is working as intended here as well? you know as well as i do that a SS of a guild wiping/dying doesn't say anything about the resist check of the spell the dragon casts.

[Nirgon]

:rolleyes:

Working on a fraps of not being able to invis pull in VP too

[Lazortag]

And the real trakanon, not undead bard version, should NOT drop the guts.

Then who should drop them? Master Yael? Or do you think that the epic should only be obtainable in Velious?

[Nirgon]

Spawned version from undead bard only and always drops.

Go sit in the corner and play with your dirt.

[Nirgon]

He's killed in the center of his lair here which would induce a gate. Notice how he is pulled against the back wall by an experienced classic guild in the image.

[Ele]

Trak gates just fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmhPITcGYNs

[Lazortag]

Spawned version from undead bard only and always drops.

Go sit in the corner and play with your dirt.

The undead bard is only in the game in velious. Are you purposely being obtuse or is it unintentional?

[Lazortag]

Watch as I expose Nirgon for the charlatan that he is:

http://web.archive.org/web/20011126085732/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=756

The instructions for the quest say this:


Finally, get the strings for the Lute - Trakanon Gut Strings. These drop from Trakanon himself.

This was written before the update which added the undead bard. The fact that there was a change is reflected in the comments:

Trak no longer drops guts Reply... By: Anonymous
Posted @ Mon, Apr 2nd 8:07 PM 2001 Score: Default[2.00]


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RE: Trak no longer drops guts Reply... By: Anonymous
Posted @ Wed, Apr 4th 2:09 AM 2001 Score: Default[2.00]
i heard that an undead bard spawns in trak's lair 12 hours after he died.. and you turn in the bottom part of the lute to him to make trakanon spawn !!! and that trakanon will drop the guts...

i wonder tho... will it drop JUST the guts? no teeth.. no BPs? this is so like Verant to do that.. and that would really f'n SUCK ... he's hard enough to kill (YES not all of us are so uber we can kill him with our eyes closed and our hands behind our back)

neway... can anyone post more details? id love to hear that he AT LEAST drops teeth and not JUST the guts.. heh


Undead Bard Reply... By: Teggy,
10 posts
Posted @ Sat, Mar 31st 8:42 PM 2001 Score: Decent[3.00]
Anyone know what to give or what to do with the Undead Bard that now drops the Gut strings? Someone told me I give him the White & red scale & he spawns a mini trak.. But I dunno.. can I get some more Info? =)


Tegdar Fearsong - 57 Wood Elf Bard - Xegony
Immelzen Miztycal - 44 High Elf Magician - Xegony

Which happens after this patch note:


------------------------------
March 14, 2001 3:00 am
------------------------------


Epic Quests:

As part of the Plane updates, we've made several adjustments to Epic
quests for a number of classes. Previously, questers of many classes
were put in direct competition with regular non-questing adventurers
for a few coveted spawns. In these cases, a new step has been added to
separate the "Epic Encounter" NPCs from the "Epic Quest" NPCs.

For those who are mid-quest, all quest requirements have remained the
same. In other words, if you turn the same items into the same NPC, the
same reward applies. What has changed is that some components may be in
a different location from where you expect them. It is recommended that
you check with the last NPC in line or other adventurers to find where
you need to go next.

Here's another post on a different page, written before this patch, that gives the instructions for the quest:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020208214400/http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=348

the Quest by agash on karana serveur Reply... By: Anonymous
Posted @ Wed, Dec 6th 8:38 PM 2000 Score: Good[4.00]
Description

...

Now we must head off to Old Sebilis to kill the great beast, Trakanon. He will drop the Trakanon Gut Strings. Hand the strings, body, neck and head to Forpar and you will be rewarded with the Mystical Lute of Forpar. Now run back to Badric Slezaf and hand him the Top and Bottom of page 24, Page 25 and the Lute and you will be rewarded with the Singing Short Sword. The effect, Dance of the Blade, is an AoE group buff that grants 55% Haste, +30 STR, +30 ATK, and lasts for roughly 2.5 minutes. It will also boost the effect of all instrument based songs by 75%.

No mention of the Undead Bard. Checkmate, atheists.

[Nirgon]

Undead Bard version = guts, no teeth.

Trak himself doesn't drop guts at this time.

Clear? Clear.

Not sure I even set that up, but I think it *should* be a maximum of 6, but commonly 3-4.

And the undead bard Trakanon shouldn't drop teeth.

I'll take a look at this when I get time.


^ winner!

[Lazortag]

Undead Bard version = guts, no teeth.

Trak himself doesn't drop guts at this time.

Clear? Clear.


When the Undead Bard is implemented, the regular Trak stops dropping guts. There's a period after epics are introduced and before the Undead Bard is put in the game. During this period (where p99 currently is), Trak (the regular one) does in fact drop guts. If you think otherwise, post evidence, although I think you'll have a hard time refuting the evidence in my previous post.

[Nirgon]

You seem to have an easy time refuting a claim I'm not making

Lol my sides

[Ele]

You seem to have an easy time refuting a claim I'm not making

Lol my sides

And the real trakanon, not undead bard version, should NOT drop the guts.

So what are you claiming?

[Nirgon]

# of teeth.

No teeth from undead bard version.

No gut from normally spawned Trak when undead bard goes in.

Side tracked by where he is pulled to (correctly in image) and gate (this may indeed be his spawn, he was always up when we went in).

Side tracked also pointing out corpses clearly existing as a result of breath on a late Velious raid guild.

[cyryllis]

trak currently does gate- nothing to see here

not velious? check...no undead bard to rant about

your posts clearly contradict each other and these people were just calling you out. If everyone is interpreting your post in the same manner, maybe it means you should learn to post more coherent arguments.

Go look for more "classic" features on eq mac

[Nirgon]

I posted some "classic" images from live. I personally enjoy classic content that has things like correct aggro radius, gates properly, spawns in the right spot, drops the right # of items.. etc.


EZ server is that way.

[Samrothstein]

http://www.bortas.net/roa/archive.html

Control + F for teeth and 2001 (or 2002 w/e hasn't changed).

Commonly has 5 teeth.

[Supreme]

Having been there for that kill and a founding member of LoS i can tell you that Trak would commonly drop 3-4 teeth and sometimes we would see 5.

I never remember seeing 6.

[Samrothstein]

Having been there for that kill and a founding member of LoS i can tell you that Trak would commonly drop 3-4 teeth and sometimes we would see 5.

I never remember seeing 6.

2 looks like the rare..

[Happyfeet]

Real tooth drop rate data... We stopped keeping accurate tabs on teeth about april/may I think.
If less than 2 teeth are listed it's due to them being handed to people to hold. I assure you 2 is the min, 4 is the max, 100%

View 04/26/12 Sckrilla Mrylokar's Breastplate 1.00
View 04/26/12 Froovy Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/26/12 Portsche Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/26/12 Sentenza Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 04/22/12 Crazyeyes Cobalt Breastplate 1.00
View 04/22/12 Silentone Cobalt Breastplate 1.00
View 04/22/12 Anae Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 04/20/12 Cees Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/20/12 Magedman Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/20/12 Silentone Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/20/12 Altrum Mana Robe 1.00

View 04/17/12 Portsche Mrylokar's Breastplate 1.00
View 04/17/12 Eisheth Mana Robe 1.00
View 04/17/12 Sckrilla Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/17/12 Dudeisbeast Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/17/12 Zhake Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/17/12 Dudeisbeast Cobalt Breastplate 1.00

View 04/14/12 Artaxerxius Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/14/12 Puurfectcat Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/14/12 Cees Singing Steel Breastplate 1.00
View 04/14/12 Daranin Elder Spiritist's Breastplate 1.00

View 04/11/12 Sentenza Poisoned Mantle 1.00
View 04/11/12 Shahryar Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/11/12 Cirrhosis Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 04/08/12 Thrump Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/08/12 Alyssya Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/08/12 Arrisard Undead Dragongut Strings 1.00
View 04/08/12 Artaxerxius Donal's Chestplate of Mourning 1.00

View 04/03/12 Shekico Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 04/03/12 Internode Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 03/31/12 Muse Undead Dragongut Strings 1.00
View 03/31/12 Zagum Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/31/12 Apocaly Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 03/28/12 Pennand Mana Robe 1.00
View 03/28/12 Sufi Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/28/12 Jeremy Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 03/26/12 Chistle Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/26/12 Casting Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/26/12 Twaila Elder Spiritist's Breastplate 1.00
View 03/26/12 Jeremy Jaundiced Bone Breastplate 1.00

View 03/23/12 Liia Donal's Chestplate of Mourning 1.00
View 03/23/12 Thebest Mana Robe 1.00

View 03/20/12 Bedelia Mana Robe 1.00

View 03/17/12 Busty Jaundiced Bone Breastplate 1.00

View 03/13/12 Vostok Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/13/12 Quizy Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/13/12 Daranin Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/13/12 Quizy Poisoned Mantle 1.00
View 03/13/12 Busty Cloak of Piety 1.00

View 03/11/12 Xadion Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/11/12 Noth Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 03/10/12 Fauss Undead Dragongut Strings 1.00
View 03/10/12 Enorm Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/10/12 Altrum Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/10/12 Hojons Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/10/12 Korrath Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/10/12 Keni Cobalt Breastplate 1.00

View 03/08/12 Jahina Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/08/12 Kinlail Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/08/12 Korrath Cloak of Flames 1.00

View 03/04/12 Pennand Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 03/04/12 Bedelia Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 02/29/12 Jeremy Cloak of Piety 1.00
View 02/29/12 Aruzzo Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 02/29/12 Cyryllis Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 02/29/12 Auelin Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 02/12/12 Shekico Poisoned Mantle 1.00
View 02/12/12 Busty Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 02/12/12 Muse Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 02/06/12 Athel Elder Spiritist's Breastplate 1.00
View 02/06/12 Loly Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 02/06/12 Aalpha Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 01/22/12 Zenorek Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 01/22/12 Reptak Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 01/22/12 Canker Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 01/22/12 Canker Jaundiced Bone Breastplate 1.00
View 01/22/12 Sworen Cobalt Breastplate 1.00

View 01/13/12 Anamastis Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 01/13/12 Tegellan Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 01/13/12 Xatava Poisoned Mantle 1.00

View 01/02/12 Muse Singing Steel Breastplate 1.00
View 01/02/12 Phireburn Mana Robe 1.00
View 01/02/12 Utalnayan Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 01/02/12 Bigpop Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 12/26/11 Twaila Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 12/26/11 Dosxx Jaundiced Bone Breastplate 1.00
View 12/26/11 Xadion Blood Ember Breastplate 1.00
View 12/26/11 Crazyeyes Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 12/18/11 Andromeda Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 12/18/11 Keni Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 12/18/11 Melx Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 12/18/11 Jaed Donal's Chestplate of Mourning 1.00
View 12/18/11 Aquelin Elder Spiritist's Breastplate 1.00

View 12/10/11 Aiaus Donal's Chestplate of Mourning 1.00
View 12/10/11 Xanthias Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 12/10/11 Aiaus Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 12/01/11 Drolgurd Singing Steel Breastplate 1.00

View 11/30/11 Elethia Donal's Chestplate of Mourning 1.00
View 11/30/11 Crazyeyes Mrylokar's Breastplate 1.00
View 11/30/11 Impact Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 11/30/11 Ogben Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 11/30/11 Athel Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 11/28/11 Desmo Donal's Chestplate of Mourning 1.00
View 11/28/11 Nally Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 11/28/11 Xatava Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 11/24/11 Eabon Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 11/24/11 Phisting Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 11/24/11 Sentenza Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 11/14/11 Drolgurd Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 11/14/11 Shamewow Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 11/12/11 Xanthias Tolan's Darkwood Breastplate 1.00
View 11/12/11 Dosxx Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 11/12/11 Phireburn Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 11/12/11 Stealin Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 11/12/11 Sabbath Cobalt Breastplate 1.00

View 11/09/11 Zagum Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 11/09/11 Slayde Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 11/09/11 Chief Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 11/09/11 Angome Mrylokar's Breastplate 1.00

View 11/03/11 Sabbath Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 11/03/11 Olidaen Blood Ember Breastplate 1.00

View 10/11/11 Eisheth Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 10/11/11 Banzo Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 10/11/11 Slayde Mrylokar's Breastplate 1.00
View 10/11/11 Silentone Poisoned Mantle 1.00

View 10/05/11 Silentone Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 10/05/11 Arkenius Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 10/05/11 Bate Mana Robe 1.00

View 09/23/11 Ingrid Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 09/23/11 Zeelot Blood Ember Breastplate 1.00
View 09/23/11 Portsche Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 09/23/11 Kelendil Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 09/21/11 Melx Elder Spiritist's Breastplate 1.00

View 09/17/11 Banzo Donal's Chestplate of Mourning 1.00
View 09/17/11 Froovy Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 09/14/11 Portsche Elder Spiritist's Breastplate 1.00
View 09/14/11 Happyfeets Elder Spiritist's Breastplate 1.00
View 09/14/11 Xasten Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 09/11/11 India Donal's Chestplate of Mourning 1.00
View 09/11/11 Angome Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 09/11/11 Jamfalcon Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 09/11/11 Khadafi Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 09/11/11 Tortue Poisoned Mantle 1.00

View 09/09/11 Valkre Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 09/09/11 Wizblastin Mana Robe 1.00
View 09/09/11 Happyfeets Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 09/06/11 Shamewow Jaundiced Bone Breastplate 1.00
View 09/06/11 Tortue Trakanon's Tooth 1.00

View 09/03/11 Geleana Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 09/03/11 Wizblastin Trakanon's Tooth 1.00
View 09/03/11 Fountree Elder Spiritist's Breastplate 1.00

[Happyfeet]

So nirgon I know you hit refresh every 3 seconds on this forum, I gave you decently accurate data about # of teeth. Say you love me or cyber me or something.

[Nirgon]

Sorry I was busy gate potting from guards after I got rooted at 165mr first cast!

Ya np and I see others posted too, so thx both!

[nilbog]

After researching dkp sites for Trakanon, here are the # of teeth drops per raid.

5
2
4
5
3
3
4
4
535/9 = 3.8

So my proposal would be to increase his maximum teeth drops to 5, with 4 being the average. If evidence is found that he can in fact drop 6 teeth, post it up and I'll rework some math. Additionally, if many more raid drops are available, we can likely get a better average.

[nilbog]

Modified, pending update.

Trakanon drops 3-4 teeth commonly, 5 teeth uncommonly, and 2 teeth rarely.

[uygi]

Max of 5 and min of 2 is what I remember, thanks Nilbog.

[Reptak]

The reason we killed Trak in that lil cubby on live had more to do with agro radius and LoS than gate issues. If Trak wasn't in that cubby, he would agro almost as you enter the lair. On live we camped in that room on the right just before entering lair (the one with 2 frogs). I would keep everyone there while I got juggs/Prot. Could not touch Prot unless Trak was in that cubby and Prot was ALL the way forward.