Old screenshot of EC wars on RZ

[Nirgon]

http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/48053-everquest.jpg

Looks pretty blue to me?

Really like the unconscious guy in bottom left.

[Tomatoking]

This message is hidden because Nirgon is on your ignore list.

too bad i cant see the pic

OH WELL

[Smedy]

god i love that picture, reminds me of what classic was truely like, commonlands pvp was siiiick

[heartbrand]

biggest thing missing is no exp loss and people pvping for fun without the whole three hundred page thread and global ooc blow up every time one person dies resulting in mass avoidance of pvp

summary: people need to lighten up and pvp and plz 2 remove exp loss

[Handpartytowel]

fuk i agree with hb. MINDFUCKED.

[Nirgon]

Let me put the old broken record back on the player.

*places record*
*places needle*
*adjusts speaker*
1. Fix pvp resists based on classic formula I posted, make code source public.
2. Take out xp loss
3. Add item loot
4. Make pvp 4 levels static every level for FFA (read: not teams) server

Hey look a very close to classic pvp server.

Fuck I miss getting knocked unconscious, getting up and spamming 2 spells on someone then getting killed by Guard Reskin.

Not sure if unconscious works as gud here as it did on live? Awesome times swinging and missing on someone unconscious waiting for the glorious killing slash.

[heartbrand]

I still feel item loot is just going to result in every1 always having a gate pot on hotkey

[Bardalicious]

How the fuck they came to the conclusion that xp loss in PVP was a good idea is beyond my comprehension. Guess they wanted to make it as blue as possible by making people avoid pvp. At least with item loot I could bag my shit or roll with no drops.

[Bardalicious]

On Rallos Zek NO PIXELS WERE SAFE!!!!!!!111

[Nirgon]

EQ had item loot. WoW and all the new Obama generation MMOs don't.

I hate WoW.

Everyone won't always have gate pots every time :P


Old UI so you can see your handsome self looting victim / sort of a rear view mirror while looting too lol:
http://www.notacult.com/images/gotrexx.jpg


^ that strike but miss message when a dot slays someone lol. Unbuffed and in no drop gets blinded qq, see the benefits of risk vs reward?


Blart didn't PvP in all no drop or naked... seems to do rather well..

http://www.notacult.com/images/cacaca.JPG

[Bardalicious]

Fucking Obama and his free handout MMOs.

[hijinks]

still figure the best RZ PvP screenshots during velious era can be found at:

facultas.50megs.com
facultas2.50megs.com (facultas.50megs.com)

it's amazing it is still up after so long

[Rettii]

Looks so fun

[Nirgon]

Here's another classic pvp pal, very dear to the hearts of this community pvping in full gear:
(Thx Hijinks)
http://s18.postimage.org/40jyx66qh/Aenia_N01.jpg


PvP backstab with ragebringer not 400 range everytime?? HMMM
http://s24.postimage.org/kecjjtwxh/Edyin01.jpg

[Nirgon]

http://s22.postimage.org/vmqok2y8x/Vamprea_N32.jpg

Pvping in full gear with pals



http://s22.postimage.org/lrzjduuap/Ezik01.jpg

Blind poison resist, something you'll never see here!



http://s16.postimage.org/alyzm4zd1/Sheherazade_N02_bindrusher.jpg

Dazzle being castable on lvl 60s... wru on R99? Resistable without group resist magic + shielding too, and he's tashed!?

[heartbrand]

If resists were classic I'd be a bigger supporter of item loot I guess but now where I can get rooted with ease even above 200 mr and nuked down regardless l resists I'm an emphatic no

[hijinks]

links don't work.. lol, most ppl would run nodrop here im sure.. thats how it was on RZ for the casual non pvpers

[Rettii]

Upgrade your account Nigron!

[Nirgon]

http://s21.postimage.org/k3igzm3tj/Shoeii02.jpg

http://s13.postimage.org/4jd9bjy6f/Shoeii03.jpg

^^ Faction hits for a town kills in home city as late as VELIOUS^^

[heartbrand]

Resists here ruin any skill. Fuck I don't even need to tash most people why bother when I can just spam fetter and land it half the time. Chanter nukes landing cleric nukes landing blind landing its all just so lol. Every PVP fight is a bunch of people spamming root on someone and him getting focused down. If they want some wow resist system where resists simply mitigate damage but don't resist it, fine, but fucking fix MR god.

[Nirgon]

http://facultas.50megs.com/AD/cascia01.jpg


^^ nother home town faction hit, banker aggros as well as guard.

[Nirgon]

Fucking A what the hell with the account shit :P

Maybe its how I linked it?

http://facultas.50megs.com/AD/ritewing.JPG

^^ Deepwater legs getting yoinked.

[Rettii]

Nirgon u keep linking but we can't see any of it bro

Try to save as... Then upload to imgur/post here

[Nirgon]

Hum I can see them... sec. :P


Edit: ok? fixed? should be.

[Nirgon]

lol, most ppl would run nodrop here im sure.. thats how it was on RZ for the casual non pvpers



If you're scared, go to church

[Nirgon]

http://s21.postimage.org/6e26ff1sn/Parrin_N02.jpg
Wearing a FROGLOK CROWN IN PVP!? You'd be an idiot to wear one on r99 instead of a tranix.

(Parrin wearing a verm crown like a scrub)

Also if you look closely, some very nice partials at only 116 fire.. Need... 190+ here?

[Nirgon]

Ebolt resist without DMF:

http://facultas2.50megs.com/IE/kaiphes_x.jpg

[heartbrand]

http://s21.postimage.org/6e26ff1sn/Parrin_N02.jpg
Wearing a FROGLOK CROWN IN PVP!? You'd be an idiot to wear one on r99 instead of a tranix.

(Parrin wearing a verm crown like a scrub)

Also if you look closely, some very nice partials at only 116 fire.. Need... 190+ here?

75 MR? This guy would be rooted and FUCKED here

[Nirgon]

Yeah 75 was fine to ignore root, 51 for even levels.

So our dearest pal druid here would be considered 65 resistance points to a 60 and have np resisting EVERY root (read: 0 fucks given about roots casted on him by any player, unless golem wanded and tashed).

Hint: this guy isn't a scrub pvper :P.

CSI on the kill appears to be perma pit, mana stone is in main hand.

:cool:

[HippoNipple]

Resists here ruin any skill. Fuck I don't even need to tash most people why bother when I can just spam fetter and land it half the time. Chanter nukes landing cleric nukes landing blind landing its all just so lol. Every PVP fight is a bunch of people spamming root on someone and him getting focused down. If they want some wow resist system where resists simply mitigate damage but don't resist it, fine, but fucking fix MR god.

Yeah... rolling with a group with a years worth of raiding gear and classic resist system would really show your skill in PvP... Maybe back in 1999 when there was a real population and more than 1 group that was dedicated to raiding.

If anything the resist system currently on the server is an even playing field for those not fully geared out. Your gear helps you with PvE. In PvP everyone has a fair shot. It's the reason Nihilum members are able to be killed even though they have superior gear. On live the gear difference would be like god mode.

Are you really that upset that sunstrike is hitting you for 250 hps when it cost 450 mana and takes 7 seconds to cast (1.5 second recast)? With your hps how many seconds and how much mana does it take to down your warrior?

Everquest is a lot of fun for many reasons but the thing that sucks about it is how much gear matters. It is fun for those with unlimited free time and a thirst for endless PvE but that system lacks for the skilled player with limited time to invest. It is probably one of the games that requires the least amount of skill to be dominate.

You can say all you want about needing resists to be classic but I guarantee there is more skill needed with this system then the "anti pk" guilds displayed back on live.

[heartbrand]

What skill is there to being a caster currently? Spamming roots on melees who can't channel and nuking them down as you sit lev'ed up on the z-axis where you can't be touched quickly refreshing two clickies and laughing at any pumice the melee may try to throw at you? Ya ok pal.

[Nirgon]

They'd still be killable. With good resists, pure numbers matters less.

And you certainly won't get root/snare spammed and zerged down (favors numbers).

[heartbrand]

If you want a chance @ beating us here, fixing resists is step one to doing so as it neutralizes the zerg spam root and focus strat that works so well here. Imagine a group or two of solid players where root was a non factor and classic resists, assisting properly / pelling together, etc. Scary thought. Not gonna happen here with resist system.

[Rettii]

Hum I can see them... sec. :P


Edit: ok? fixed? should be.

I can only see the ehun screenshot

[Nirgon]

We can kill you here just fine :P

It just makes harassing raids easier for bard groups.

PvP requires more individual skill and coordination.

[Nirgon]

I can only see the ehun screenshot

Refresh your pages, works for me, I replaced the images

[Rettii]

Saidin rooted me and then pelled it off me right after last night. I lold

[fiegi 2.5]

damn i'm doing it big in this thread on live:D:D

[SamwiseRed]

spamming root lawl. if casters were spammin nukes there would be alot more dead people

[Nirgon]

damn i'm doing it big in this thread on live:D:D

Seen you take Reefman down to pound town.

No easy feat, esp in the wood elf rogue mirror match.

[Rettii]

I wish I could c

[Kevynne]

http://s22.postimage.org/vmqok2y8x/Vamprea_N32.jpg

Pvping in full gear with pals



http://s22.postimage.org/lrzjduuap/Ezik01.jpg

Blind poison resist, something you'll never see here!



http://s16.postimage.org/alyzm4zd1/Sheherazade_N02_bindrusher.jpg

Dazzle being castable on lvl 60s... wru on R99? Resistable without group resist magic + shielding too, and he's tashed!?


thought that was me at first.. but then rememebred i was Scherezade

[Nirgon]

People not quitting over losing 15% xp 55+ from pvp also is a pretty good idea.

Let's pretend I actually care about preserving this server and making it more classic. Then.. I also want to pvp. Do I really want to kill someone 15 times in a week? That's a pop -1. :(

Chuck, wasn't gonna out you as the masked murderer. But you outed yourself.

[Nirgon]

Big Huffin Paint's necro, and my partner in lvl1-60 crime, Numlar

http://s11.postimage.org/d3x2kncdv/xiana_x.jpg




Solid partial at 114 fire, looks to match up with my classic formula..

http://s2.postimage.org/tbg9kpsll/moffun_x.jpg

[heartbrand]

these pics make me sad about how fun live was and how not as fun red is

[HippoNipple]

What skill is there to being a caster currently? Spamming roots on melees who can't channel and nuking them down as you sit lev'ed up on the z-axis where you can't be touched quickly refreshing two clickies and laughing at any pumice the melee may try to throw at you? Ya ok pal.

If a caster approaches a melee with a position advantage outdoors they should have the upper hand. If they are spamming root you should have a chance to dispel since root doesn't interrupt. Currently melee still have the huge advantage in dungeons.

If you make it the way it was on live your gear will be much more beneficial to you. Big deal if you can't root someone if they made the changes? Root isn't the big deal with resists. Anyone in your group can dispel a root from you if you can't channel yourself.

If the changes are made their casters can't even put a dent into your hp. I still don't see how a good team here can suffer if one side is spamming roots when it only takes a simple dispel to take the root off your team member. Are these just made up scenarios or do people actually suck enough to do this? If an entire side is spamming root why isn't the other side spamming DD with one guy on dispel watch.

[HippoNipple]

Resists aren't the problem, exp loss and no item loot is the problem.

[hijinks]

Seen you take Reefman down to pound town.

No easy feat, esp in the wood elf rogue mirror match.

Must admit, ehunogor often had veleketors lab walls painted red in blood.. Yea those screenshots r a reminder of the golden era in eq pvp and some of the obvious shortcomings on red99.. Glad I could share

[Nirgon]

Here's where Hunsa got suspended for dispelling statue as I mentioned before when talking about GMs suspending for assisting mobs get the killing blow (this time on our raid)

http://s18.postimage.org/j6wyk7ndl/Hunsa_FUN.jpg

^^^Can't make that up.

I think the haters will find I'm not lying about this stuff I claim from live, from my "spotty 13 year old memory" (hi all you pixel whoring bug haters out there).

It is just a matter of patching it in. Some of us find a skill based EQ fun, as it involves overcoming a challenge.

Being able to be a retard with 20 hours to play a day isn't skill, nor enjoyable :P.

[gloinz]

tbo xp loss is absolutely necessary because without it there would be NO consequence to dying in pvp as it stands now, but it is severe as hell because xping is so godawful slow

thus xp needs to be boosted and the best way to do so is a massive group xp buff to foster cooperation and help melees.

[SamwiseRed]

because spawning oom without your corpse isnt consequences?

[HippoNipple]

tbo xp loss is absolutely necessary because without it there would be NO consequence to dying in pvp as it stands now, but it is severe as hell because xping is so godawful slow

thus xp needs to be boosted and the best way to do so is a massive group xp buff to foster cooperation and help melees.

Item loot is the sting we need, not exp grind penalty. Something to benefit the killer and hurt the person who dies. It also has a nice effect of gathering all the sheep in one spot showing peoples true colors.

[Nirgon]

I see Nuerox using Kunark spells and successfully being a strong character in his Velious raid force and pvp group.

Note that the people he's killing (some at least) have Velious raid gear and primals. Wizard provides pet cc, guaranteed 2 slot dispel (annul), defensive shadow step, and of course even in light of all the new Velious weapons, you just can't knock the old #1... the terminator... lure of ice in a classic resist system.

I'd say the same in my experience as a Velious wizard. Not to mention ISOS (ice spear of solist) was a vicious and sudden curtain call (see his Yazzt kill).

Rogue, druid, warrior, monk and mage here are scoring kills and appear to be strong as well in the hands of skilled players. Not even going to bring up bards, clerics... every fucking class can be good, some stronger situationally (depending) than others.

If you're catching my drift... I'm not scared of being a caster or any other class whatsoever if classic resists and item loot are (and should be) added here.

Right now? Lol @ many. And the xp grief system is a great way to hurt population numbers and people's desire to log in and play (pvp!).

[hagard]

these pics make me sad about how fun live was and how not as fun red is

srsly

[HippoNipple]

I see Nuerox using Kunark spells and successfully being a strong character in his Velious raid force and pvp group.

Note that the people he's killing (some at least) have Velious raid gear and primals. Wizard provides pet cc, guaranteed 2 slot dispel (annul), defensive shadow step, and of course even in light of all the new Velious weapons, you just can't knock the old #1... the terminator... lure of ice in a classic resist system.

I'd say the same in my experience as a Velious wizard. Not to mention ISOS (ice spear of solist) was a vicious and sudden curtain call (see his Yazzt kill).

Rogue, druid, warrior, monk and mage here are scoring kills and appear to be strong as well in the hands of skilled players. Not even going to bring up bards, clerics... every fucking class can be good, some stronger situationally (depending) than others.

If you're catching my drift... I'm not scared of being a caster or any other class whatsoever if classic resists and item loot are (and should be) added here.

Right now? Lol @ many. And the xp grief system is a great way to hurt population numbers and people's desire to log in and play (pvp!).

Well I'm not sure of your play time but I'm assuming you would be one of the players to benefit from gear being more important. I don't think skill is as big of a factor in EQ as many claim. I think the old resist system helps those that invest more time in this game no matter what class you are. Every game should have this, reward from time invested, but the current system already has that and it doesn't need a larger gap.

In a game where spells take 3-7 seconds to cast skill isn't what it takes. It just takes effort and one guy in a group who is willing to put the time in to be organized and shouting out commands. The tedious act of having the right potions/clickies on you, buffing yourself in the correct order and being patient gets confused with skill in this game.

[Nirgon]

I have no raid gear, no planar. All my shit would be droppable.

Comparing my gear to Vaamp and Hectorchrist's at this point would be comical.

It doesn't create a gear gap it creates a skill gap.

As Hijinx pointed out, the scared bitches who can't pvp will be running around in no drop getting dirt napped. The skilled players will benefit from and risk their resist gear.

If anything (no offense to anyone) this is going to be in both party's favor, leaning towards the talented pvp squads.

I'm not casting root anyway because I'm not a scrubby and really am trying to force my play style to be classic for real enjoyment.

Try using zoning mechanics like you might in LoL or DotA2 in your EQ play... consider cast times and positioning. If you think there's no skill, you are bad. Period.

[Tomatoking]

aaaand another happy screenshot thread turns into the same old red99 thread about exp loss

can you hear the crickets? i can !

ps , funny how nirgon did no dmg in those pics , bet he wasnt even in range rogue did it all P

[Loli Pops]

1. Fix pvp resists based on classic formula I posted, make code source public.
2. Take out xp loss
3. Add item loot
4. Make pvp 4 levels static every level for FFA (read: not teams) server

[hagard]

If you think there's no skill, you are bad. Period.

[Tomatoking]

1. Lolipop
2. Lolipop
3. Ohwawa Lolipop
4. Lolipop

[Nirgon]

I'm in one screen shot not even on screen coming to port Rienne.

Nice try tho, Wrankles.

[Rettii]

Wow Nirgon u just showed me what EQ PvP actually is, I feel so vulnerable and abused at the fact that these machine gun root pets and 240MR requirement are all I know...

Can we get someone to actually make this shit happen?

Plz?

[Nirgon]

Trying amigo.

[Rettii]

i mean, really, everytime i encounter someone from nihilum i just get wanded and rootspammed, nobody ever tries to nuke me.

as a member of the quality assurance team, i have to ask the developers: is this working as intended?

[Nirgon]

Step 0.5 is find a way to continue Null's work.

He broke the ground on separating PvE and PvP resist which created any ground work for the whole system. Scaling (level and resist), maximums and partials and how they work need to be arranged. Then it's just a matter of fixing the spell file or updating the DB to use these new maximum and scaling variables. Not sure what exists and what doesn't yet.

He was George Washington, now we just need an FDR.

[Xantille]

i lost my virginity behind a tree in nektulos forest

[heartbrand]

O god lolololol

[Nirgon]

You gonna lose your coin and 3% xp pal

[Tomatoking]

i lost my virginity behind a tree in nektulos forest

lol @ This and machine gun root pets lolx2

[HippoNipple]

As Hijinx pointed out, the scared bitches who can't pvp will be running around in no drop getting dirt napped. The skilled players will benefit from and risk their resist gear.

If anything (no offense to anyone) this is going to be in both party's favor, leaning towards the talented pvp squads.

I'm not casting root anyway because I'm not a scrubby and really am trying to force my play style to be classic for real enjoyment.

Try using zoning mechanics like you might in LoL or DotA2 in your EQ play... consider cast times and positioning. If you think there's no skill, you are bad. Period.

I'm just trying to point out that this game isn't about skill, I guess you disagree. In my opinion it is all about knowledge and preparation. From hearing you talk about the game it sounds like you have a great knowledge of the game. If you want to call that skill so be it.

PVE - knowing spawns, mob abilities, pathing, where to stand
PvP - knowing the zones, knowing class abilities, knowing where to stand, having the right clickies, knowing what items to farm to help your class shine

Skill to me means fast reactions, good instincts, hand eye coordination. This isn't what I think of when I think of RPG, which is the direction they have gone lately and is maybe why most people here hate new MMORPGs.

I think putting a bigger emphasis on item strength widens the gap on who has a chance to kill who. If the resist system is fixed to classic I doubt it will come with item loot so your point about the "skilled players" wearing resist gear doesn't add up.

[Tradesonred]

tbo xp loss is absolutely necessary because without it there would be NO consequence to dying in pvp as it stands now, but it is severe as hell because xping is so godawful slow

thus xp needs to be boosted and the best way to do so is a massive group xp buff to foster cooperation and help melees.

Either that, or they need to tone down the xp loss in pvp, by alot.

[Nirgon]

I'm just trying to point out that this game isn't about skill

So let's compare me playing a wizard versus, say, Lamort.

Equal skill?

People fumbling through their bags for consumables (not having them too)? Not knowing when to engage? Starting casting a spell quickly from the right distance? Keeping awareness of everything around you while pvping in a high risk zone?

[Runya]

I took a NoS off that dude lol


Blart didn't PvP in all no drop or naked... seems to do rather well..

http://www.notacult.com/images/cacaca.JPG[/QUOTE]

[Nirgon]

Necro was just ssssooo much better when resists were working.

Have fun trading draughts for defluxes :P when he got consistent partials and resists at 130 fire/cold.

Also, with that said, dispelling mattered muuuuuch more and buff stacking/clickies was part of any real caster battle.

I've also noted that casted buffs will not try follow a "push down" method here, where it tries to open to jump into the first available top slot. Rather, here it just replaces itself if already active.

The logic (read: fix), using today's system as an example, should be that it should always reapply the spell presuming that one did not already exist. Applies to both red and blue, fixed on the vztz server I can remember playing.. so.. QUITE doable.

[HippoNipple]

So let's compare me playing a wizard versus, say, Lamort.

Equal skill?

People fumbling through their bags for consumables (not having them too)? Not knowing when to engage? Starting casting a spell quickly from the right distance? Keeping awareness of everything around you while pvping in a high risk zone?

I agree with you when you say what makes a good player. I just don't think it's skill based. It is time investment and knowledge of PvE/PvP mechanics. If some guy gets nervous and freezes that is one thing. This game can't compare to modern games when it comes to skill needed to be on top. I'm not saying the skill based games are more fun, I like this game, but people pat themselves on the backs here when the outcome of a fight is often decided before the first action is taken. It was decided a week ago when the guy was farming a golem wands, having his shaman buddy brew him potions that make other classes pointless, or gathering resist gear.

You don't need to bring up someone that doesn't know how to click on a potion to cure their poison. I think that is just Lamort's mental capacity.

[Nirgon]

Watching someone run out of range of a healer and die is situational awareness. You gonna say that Ed Reed's awareness, all the tape he's watched.. all the practice he's had, on the field compared to say ... me trying to fill his shoes isn't a difference of skill?

I fought Action in WC, in fact, I gated in to him without draught up (comet + others tho, I was 53) and he didn't land a single spell on me and had to gate. Had Keylime told me he was waiting there, I would have had draught up instead of memming Tox Portal before hand and killed him with a draught (presuming no partial here) while he attempted his gate.

There's good players and bad players. Call it experience, reaction time, mental capacity, being able to stick to targets or joust better or just knowing the fights. It involves skill. I just gotta rest my case here man.

[Tomatoking]

This message is hidden because Nirgon is on your ignore list.


udum haha

[fiegi 2.5]

I took a NoS off that dude lol


Blart didn't PvP in all no drop or naked... seems to do rather well..

http://www.notacult.com/images/cacaca.JPG[/QUOTE]

hahaha cacaca

this guy told me how all those taiwan guys duped in their shop

made me a very happy man on ebay

prolly doesn't realize he put another 10 grand into my pocket

[Nirgon]

I saw Holysteed dupe his corpse 5 times while we were clearing fear (die right as you logged out... took a few tries).

He had bags of jade maces... very early in Kunark..

[fiegi 2.5]

ya if u got dt'd by CT/Inny the second ur camp was about to go off ur corpse would dupe

or you could just cast starfire on someone when they were @ 5 second camp

ur pc would lock up, log on with a full corpse next to u and full gear on you :D:D:D

[Nirgon]

We have no patch notes of this Chuck, we're lying (read: smilin' hard as hell at the EQ youngins).

[Rettii]

PvP - knowing the zones, knowing class abilities, knowing where to stand, having the right clickies, knowing what items to farm to help your class shine

Skill to me means fast reactions, good instincts, hand eye coordination.


i have 0 clickies, yet im considered best druid on server, not sure if srs

[HippoNipple]

i have 0 clickies, yet im considered best druid on server, not sure if srs

I didn't mean anything that tough to acquire but I guess as a druid you can roll around with your cure poison/cure disease/dispel/levitate spells up at all times instead of having a couple potions/levi cloak. Not sure the best druid on the server would go that route but whatever works for you.

[Tomatoking]

andis is best druid on server

when he gets comparable gear hahaha