Originally Posted by Raavak (Post 2688695)

The concept of the right of self defense is thousands of years old.

Being a slave owner during a period of slave ownership doesn't mean someone has less of a right to thought, nor does it invalidate their logic. In fact, they were much, much more intelligent than you, so maybe you should shut up and learn something (but I also know you are uneducatible, so whatever, post more non-rational nonsense please).

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 (Post 2688699)

PS: slave ownership is immoral

Originally Posted by Wonkie (Post 2688711)

extremely bad post you're an idiot

Originally Posted by Raavak (Post 2688721)

Nice logical response. Stay in school or get your GED. If you go to college take my course, I'll teach you a lot.

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 (Post 2688689)

Do you guys understand that death is permanent? Statistics don't mean anything to the mother and father of a dead child.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon (Post 2688745)

Absolutely and everything possible should be done to minimize it. No normal person disagrees with this.



im not sure. I would suggest asking someone who makes that argument. I was only attacking appeals to emotion exercising faulty logic and without due consideration of the consequences (similar to the ones you've just made).

Arguing against the notion that something MUST be done is not the same as arguing that nothing SHOULD be done.

There is room for a dialogue, but entering the discussion determined to do SOMETHING blinds you to possibilities ensuring you'll never see the truth on the off chance you are wrong.

Can we agree on a few things?

Shootings of innocents is generally bad
slavery is generally bad
the age of an idea neither makes it good not bad
the moral correctness of issues exists independent of the person(s) embracing them

Let me know if you disagree with any of those.

Originally Posted by maskedmelon (Post 2688748)

also, im not inclined to dismiss immoral acts based on "morality of the times." i liek to think that over time man has stumbled his way towards a less repugnant nature.