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mickmoranis 06-20-2018 11:13 PM

Lll
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Originally Posted by skarlorn (Post 2726587)
the US has been a pretty userous influence on the central/south americas for a while.

for instance, banana wars

CIA promoting instability in nicaragua, funded by cocaine

a little more on the excelelnt work by the CIA

it's been extremely profitable to a tiny number of elite who have corporations needing serfs and a corrupt local satellite govt.

if you actually care to learn more, there's plenty of info out there in books and research.

I'm not saying it's all our fault. that would be moronic.

But the US has definitely had a stake in promoting instability down south.

You're welcome!

I mean I get that those are all things. But could you like look at the fine print in my questions and address those realities?

skarlorn 06-20-2018 11:15 PM

no thanks man. glad i could provide you some info.

mickmoranis 06-20-2018 11:24 PM

KWorth examining if you're going to claim responsibility. I know you don't want to be a libcuck. What if there was a reason you only linked me examples of imperialism in a country that is occupied by a certain ty...

Well... if it's been this way for 5,000 years before now, how is it Americas fault south America went the regular tragectory that should have been expected for all recoded history?

If we're the baddies than why is Canada so fine?

skarlorn 06-20-2018 11:38 PM

it's too big a topic for me to want to try and parse right now when i'm still digesting what i learned about socialism and the bolshevik's need for gulag, thanks

JurisDictum 06-20-2018 11:48 PM

America doesn't need prisons though. There's no such thing as prisons in America, and no one has ever been arrested for political beliefs or anti-patriotic behavior.

You guys know -- there was people working in shit conditions in Sibera throughout all of Russian history...its not like they invented those work conditions just for certain people. They simply took (mostly) middle and upper class people and made them work like the peasants of Sibera as an alternative to prison.

skarlorn 06-20-2018 11:57 PM

they did invent them. you really don't know much. you also don't really know the extent of the people targeted. sorry man. it's worse than you think.

JurisDictum 06-21-2018 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by skarlorn (Post 2726621)
they did invent them. you really don't know much. you also don't really know the extent of the people targeted. sorry man. it's worse than you think.

The Red Terror was bad. Don't get me wrong. That's why it's called the fucking Red Terror.

But that's different then the reality of the working conditions in Russia over centuries, right before the communist revolution there. And all the blame tends to dumped on them -- as if bad working conditions in Russia were invented by communists. Of course, no improvements are discussed in the West. Nor the corresponding decline in national strength with the death of Stalin. I've heard this a million times:

"Russia won WW2 despite Stalin and the communist party...not because of them." I have never heard an explanation of why that's the case. Not even a little. It's just a bald assertion over and over.

skarlorn 06-21-2018 12:30 AM

u could read gulag archipelago but u won't

JurisDictum 06-21-2018 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by skarlorn (Post 2726628)
u could read gulag archipelago but u won't

I don't think It matters to the US political system in reality. Any of this bullshit discussion about a fascist regime from the 30s fresh out of feudalism. BTW, the author of gulag archipelago supported "reformed socialism"*...not capitalism.

The only reason we talk about this is to misrepresent modern alternatives to neoliberal capitalism. It's a boogie man. These kinds of governments exist in places where human lives aren't considered very important. There were a lot more countries like this back in 1920-1950.

skarlorn 06-21-2018 12:40 AM

my point has been proven


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