Originally Posted by PlsNoBan (Post 3495056)

I forgot to mention the mage's keyboard is broken and he's playing with a guitar hero controller on a 56k dial up internet connection and his mom keeps picking up the phone and disconnecting him

Originally Posted by Danth (Post 3495058)

Funny part is a magician probably could play somewhat effectively given similarly awful conditions, minus the disconnects. One of the big strengths of that class is that it's a simple character to operate competently. You could put a 6 year old child on a magician and within a week he'd play it at least at an average level.

Notably I see Shamwowi conspicuously NOT arguing with my own comments that I like #3 enchanter or necromancer better for that particular 4-man group....only that he likes shaman better than magician for it. I hope it stays that way because I don't want to be on my PC 'till 2 AM :)

Danth

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist (Post 3495006)

I know how groups work. You don't. If you knew how groups worked you could do different tactics if you wanted.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium (Post 3495060)

Lots of mobs in Sebilis summon, you have no clue what you're talking about. It's not viable to keep 4 things full-duration disease/epic DoTed anyway in most groups, you will be moving together through different areas or pulling groups of things that die too quickly for the DoT's to have that impact. You can fully DoT up the last MOB in a pull before the group gets to it, but probably not more than that.



You're a clown. There is absolutely nothing you understand about the game better, and by your own admission you play the game less efficiently and productively. You would lose every time if we actually had a contest among the people you try to talk at on the forum, about who could get to 60 fastest in an equal amount of playtime.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium (Post 3495063)

You said "most mobs don't summon" (incorrect), in an attempt to make it sound like it's super viable to root rot throughout Sebilis (incorrect), to support your very dumb and desperate attempt to continually make it seem like a Shaman is inherently always better than a Mage.

I wouldn't try to counter what you say for no reason, that's just another dumb straw man line from you. You're simply incorrect about so many things, which everyone needs to constantly try to educate you on, but you continue to refuse.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist (Post 3495059)

Lol from a raw DPS perspective obviously 3x Enchanters and a Cleric would be superior. However, I have never really seen this group setup, so my fear is it would start to get really risky with multiple Charm breaks. I think I discussed it earlier in the thread. I would love to see a long, multiple hour stream of this setup in a hard area, to see how often problems occur and how well the group can recover.

If it's too risky, I would prefer Shaman/Enchanter/Enchanter/Cleric still. Consistency is often times better than high risk, since the average is what you care about if you are going to be farming or leveling for a decent period of time.

Originally Posted by Danth (Post 3495065)

I'm leery of triple-charm as well, hence adding in necromancer. Gives you a very nice spectre pet, feign-rez, access to feign/harmshield-pulling if needed, a decent heal output, a good snare, and still has undead charm in many areas if desired. Magician in particular falls flat on its face against that option, Malo is nice but not THAT nice just on its own. Shaman holds up better but most of its best utility is slightly redundant. It's alright but in this specific case I think the more unique abilities are preferred.