If I was a toy train hobbiest, I may ask a fellow enthusiast to help me move them or obtain a particularly rare one.

I mean... We're talking about emulated eq, its /list system, and manastone ph's, not toy trains or moving labor. The mental gymnastics are getting complicated. If you got there second, you'd only be helping yourself to help the guy who got there first, right?

First off, Im lumping you in with Masterize, but I'll concede that I did not see you say that you petitioned. Second, you made this forum post. That right there is an attempt to bully. Again, if you did not want to help, you could of just left the camp and moved on.

I never said in my OP he should give up his position. He was holding slot 1 hostage. And said 35 is too low for list at this camp. I stated a problem. And a fix for the system.

If someone feels shame for facts, I can't control their feelings.

well he wasn't holding #1 hostage.

and you know exactly what you were doing lol.

Grakken you are so far gone and instead of just admitting you were wrong and being a dick, your continuing to argue you were right. It just makes you look worse. Almost as bad as Masterize.

I see your point as far as the analogy muddys the water ( i think thats one of your points).

But continuing with your example, Id say its closer to him asking a fellow enthusiast - who he has never met - to buy him a rare train.

It's funny because when I got to 35 and went to the camp, I felt really lucky to start at slot 2.

I /listed, said "yo" and number 1 and I grouped up to pummel eyes together. It was pretty cool and normal. When he got his, he even stayed a few cycles until another guy got there to make sure I wouldn't have issues. Then I helped the next guy find the camp in between ph's. Very pleasant in general

Ppl here are describing some really unfortunate behavior. This is not the way homies

Nagafen raid time. Guild runs on DKP system. You know someone with more DKP than you is attending - do you attend?

THAT is the list system.

Is the list legitimately only 2 people long on some server right now?

This has been a continuing theme I keep responding to. We fundamentally disagree on what the absence of charity is. You are saying if you don't so something nice for someone you are an Ahole. I believe charity is should be met with gratitude and lack of charity shouldn't be met with hostility.

Another example: someone comes up to me and asks me for a SoW. You think I am an Ahole if I don't SoW him. I disagree. I believe we have an entitlement problem in this community.