Originally Posted by Wonkie (Post 2809402)

begone thot

Originally Posted by kyrobo (Post 2809382)

Also: I think it's interesting how conservatives successfully made liberal a dirty word for decades, but have recently co-opted the term "classical liberal." Seems like a clever move to bring in disenfranchised liberals whose allegiance lies more with individual liberty and less with left social/economic ideas.

Originally Posted by mickmoranis (Post 2809407)

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren (Post 2809406)

The truth is, both Left and Right (in the US) are Liberals.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren (Post 2809406)

'Conservative' is short for 'Conservative Liberal'.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren (Post 2809406)

Free speech, gun rights, religious freedoms, economic freedoms, etc are all Liberal.

Originally Posted by mickmoranis (Post 2809407)

Originally Posted by kyrobo (Post 2809413)

That seems like a stretch. Conservatism seems to be a reaction against excessive liberalism, advocating caution and tradition in response to bold new proposals.

Originally Posted by kyrobo (Post 2809413)

That's true. I think most Americans on both the left and the right agree on some basic liberal principals.

That seems like a stretch. Conservatism seems to be a reaction against excessive liberalism, advocating caution and tradition in response to bold new proposals.

Originally Posted by Tethler (Post 2809416)

There is economic liberalism (free market capitalism) and political liberalism (really just degrees of progressive). They are not the same.

Originally Posted by ScaringChildren (Post 2809415)