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Reddi who? 06-14-2013 10:40 PM

The only story about Gloinz is the one where hes caught behind the magical elm tree giving Gandalf a dwarven barrel roll if u know what I mean

mtb tripper 06-14-2013 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SamwiseRed (Post 995185)
Sam Gamgee is by many regarded as the "true hero" of Tolkien's story. Tolkien himself expressed this view in one of his letters: Sam is referred to as the "chief hero", and special emphasis is placed on Sam's "rustic love" for Rosie.[6] The quest to destroy the Ring only succeeds because of Sam, who repeatedly saves Frodo from disaster (such as rescuing him at Cirith Ungol and carrying him up Mount Doom). He was one of only two Ring-bearers strong enough to surrender the Ring voluntarily.

The relationship between Frodo and Sam is, in many respects, at the center of The Lord of the Rings. To the modern reader, it seems archaic, as it is extremely class-oriented. Sam's humbleness and "plain speaking" is frequently emphasised in contrast to Frodo's "gentility", and he often shows deference to Frodo, calling him "Mister Frodo" or "Master". At the same time, a strong bond of love and trust grows between them, portrayed most poignantly during the events of Cirith Ungol, where Sam vows to return to his (apparently) dead master, to be reunited with Frodo in death.

Tolkienists regard Sam as Frodo's batman. In the British Army, a batman was an orderly who acted as the personal servant of an officer. It was a role with which Tolkien (who served as an Army officer in the First World War) would have been extremely familiar. Sam undertakes all of the typical roles of a batman — he runs errands for Frodo, he cooks, he transports him (or at least carries him), and he carries his luggage. Tolkien confirmed this interpretation when he wrote in a private letter that:

"My Sam Gamgee is indeed a reflexion of the English soldier, of the privates and batmen I knew in the 1914 war, and recognized as so far superior to myself"
― The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien
Compare to the relation between Don Quixote and his squire Sancho Panza, and the gradual "Quixotization" of Sancho.

I never knew that man, thats really awesome, I didn't know tokien was in world war 1, thats really cool

Nune 06-15-2013 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mtb tripper (Post 995203)
I never knew that man, thats really awesome, I didn't know tokien was in world war 1, thats really cool

lol, i pictured you doing your sig after reading Sams post, then posting that ^

Nirgon 06-15-2013 03:22 AM

Samwise is what we in the business call an assistant pimp

SamwiseRed 06-15-2013 02:15 PM

bump

Vile 06-15-2013 04:31 PM

gloinz super fag

mtb tripper 06-16-2013 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Nune (Post 995298)
lol, i pictured you doing your sig after reading Sams post, then posting that ^

Am I right or am I right man?

SamwiseRed 06-16-2013 03:05 PM

gloinz have you achieved intergalactic oneness?

Faerie 06-16-2013 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed (Post 995185)
Sam Gamgee is by many regarded as the "true hero" of Tolkien's story. Tolkien himself expressed this view in one of his letters: Sam is referred to as the "chief hero", and special emphasis is placed on Sam's "rustic love" for Rosie.[6] The quest to destroy the Ring only succeeds because of Sam, who repeatedly saves Frodo from disaster (such as rescuing him at Cirith Ungol and carrying him up Mount Doom). He was one of only two Ring-bearers strong enough to surrender the Ring voluntarily.

The relationship between Frodo and Sam is, in many respects, at the center of The Lord of the Rings. To the modern reader, it seems archaic, as it is extremely class-oriented. Sam's humbleness and "plain speaking" is frequently emphasised in contrast to Frodo's "gentility", and he often shows deference to Frodo, calling him "Mister Frodo" or "Master". At the same time, a strong bond of love and trust grows between them, portrayed most poignantly during the events of Cirith Ungol, where Sam vows to return to his (apparently) dead master, to be reunited with Frodo in death.

Tolkienists regard Sam as Frodo's batman. In the British Army, a batman was an orderly who acted as the personal servant of an officer. It was a role with which Tolkien (who served as an Army officer in the First World War) would have been extremely familiar. Sam undertakes all of the typical roles of a batman — he runs errands for Frodo, he cooks, he transports him (or at least carries him), and he carries his luggage. Tolkien confirmed this interpretation when he wrote in a private letter that:

"My Sam Gamgee is indeed a reflexion of the English soldier, of the privates and batmen I knew in the 1914 war, and recognized as so far superior to myself"
― The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien
Compare to the relation between Don Quixote and his squire Sancho Panza, and the gradual "Quixotization" of Sancho.

Great thread.

mtb tripper 06-16-2013 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vile (Post 995843)
gloinz super fag

Go back to working your office job man


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