Project 1999 - An open letter from <Forsaken>

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Originally Posted by touchtonedialing (Post 1934968)

Same guild bank, DKP, leaders and 69 out of 74 Forsaken members from TMO but its a new entity? Really? Its a shockingly poor leadership decision and literally the first one you had to make.

For the record, the majority of the guild bank was abandoned, the recharge mule of TMO was left with TMO, the DKP was wiped clean for everyone, and only 2 previous officers from TMO are now offiers in Forsaken.

You had people within *your own guild* telling you guys you were making a really shady move. And you had people *within your own guild* gloating about it afterwards until the hammer came down.

Most of us didn't even need to bother say a word or even worry about it because we already knew how it was going to end up. This feels like an attempt to show what I believe to be fake shame to try and get a lesser sentence.

In the future consider your actions before you go and do something like this again and you won't have to make these fake apologies (fake imo.)

If you are truly a new entity with a new outlook on actually working together with everyone else then start to prove it. Considering your own history, I'll believe it when I see it. Words are completely empty until then.

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Originally Posted by Ella`Ella (Post 1934984)

Chest, when <Foreceful Entry> formed, Shinko was the guild leader and a former officer of BDA. The membership was also 90%+ BDA members. Did you consider FE as BDA with a different name?

A more appropriate example would be Omni spinning off and waiting for their appropriate turn at loot.

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Originally Posted by Ella`Ella (Post 1934988)

2 previous officers from TMO are now offiers in Forsaken.

That's more than what they claimed.

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Originally Posted by Detoxx (Post 1934852)

Dear fellow Project 99ers,

In light of the recent events, I would personally like to address the circumstances leading up to the formation of Forsaken and our recent suspension. First and foremost, I have the utmost respect for Rogean and all staff members that make this server, one of the only legitimate classic servers, possible. I feel I can speak for everyone when I say their tireless efforts are much appreciated.

I know there has been some confusion and false rumors about the creation of this guild, so let me take a moment and clear that up. Forsaken was formed for two main reasons: to finally remove the stigma of the tag we formerly held and at the same time keep the community of players together that I have considered family for years. This being the case, nearly everyone who was a part of this family was, of course, welcomed into our new home. The previous guild split into four factions, some to red, some who stayed, some who quit all together, and the remainder who came to Forsaken. A lot of trust and respect was placed in my hands during all this and I'm grateful for that.

Our recent decision to be in class R was for several reasons, and none of which were to blatantly circumvent any rules. There was also no intent to target any guild and it was certainly not done with any intent to disrespect the server rules. It was simply done to get the players that had just gone through a huge transition some time to settle in and get accustomed to our whole new structure, dkp system, forums and leaders. There was no intent to stay in R, we simply just wanted to use the class system as it was intended: to practice in R and move to C, which was absolutely what we were going to do.

If any guilds in class R have felt slighted, please understand this was not our intention by being in R for a short time period. We look forward to putting this misunderstanding behind us and continuing to grow our relationships with any and all guilds. If you feel a member of Forsaken has treated you poorly or have any guild concerns as a whole, please do not hesitate to bring them to me or any of the Forsaken leadership and we will do our best to remedy the situation. We wish you all the best of luck!

Sincerely,
Detoxx

I look forward to the guild invitations for me & my 37 alts, my new brother =D

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Originally Posted by Ella`Ella (Post 1934984)

I'm just curious how a newly formed guild is considered Class-C when the guild they broke from still has it's existing guild leader, several of the officers and over 100 members.

Is it more offensive for Forsaken to compete in Class-R with obvious intentions to quickly progress to Class-C than two obvious Class-C capable guilds that remain in Class-R and cycle lockout timers between themselves?

Chest, when <Foreceful Entry> formed, Shinko was the guild leader and a former officer of BDA. The membership was also 90%+ BDA members. Did you consider FE as BDA with a different name?

1) there wasn't a class system at the time when FE broke off

2) FE formed to be completely different from BDA, they wanted to go fight dirty against TMO. Forsaken formed to continue the legacy of TMO minus whatever stigma was attached to the name

3) as noted, Omni splintering off and working within the rotation structure is a good example of how to lead a guild without going full retard

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Originally Posted by Samoht (Post 1934994)

A more appropriate example would be Omni spinning off and waiting for their appropriate turn at loot.

That's also a good example.

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Originally Posted by Samoht (Post 1934994)

That's more than what they claimed.

I don't think they claimed to have any fewer. Obviously, there is Detoxx the leader and Swage the PR/Raid leadership, but also consider that these guys were only officers in TMO for a short period of time as well.

And Catherin - this isn't an apology, it's a clarification. You'd have more of a claim at outrage if you weren't sitting in your Class-C capable guild dominating pixels over all the smaller guilds with zero intention of progression.

Consistency by staff is a very, very, very important thing. I know it is very difficult with a volunteer team. I am not at all trying to sound critical here, I have no opinion at all regarding this particular situation. I just think this is what a lot of the "conspiracy theories" in this game are actually rooted in.

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Originally Posted by arsenalpow (Post 1935003)

1) there wasn't a class system at the time when FE broke off

I was speaking in general terms, as a yes or no, regardless of classes that are now in place.

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Originally Posted by arsenalpow (Post 1935003)

2) FE formed to be completely different from BDA, they wanted to go fight dirty against TMO. Forsaken formed to continue the legacy of TMO minus whatever stigma was attached to the name

Forsaken formed to completely discontinue the legacy of TMO. It wants absolutely nothing to do with that name, we just want the members that felt the same way. The people that didn't feel the same and actively seek to continue the legacy are still in <The Mystical Order> or on red <TMO>(and also consider there are well over 100 of them)

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Originally Posted by arsenalpow (Post 1935003)

3) as noted, Omni splintering off and working within the rotation structure is a good example of how to lead a guild without going full retard

What happened to that rotation again?

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Originally Posted by arsenalpow (Post 1935003)

3) as noted, Omni splintering off and working within the rotation structure is a good example of how to lead a guild without going full retard

At that time, there was still a rotation. There currently isn't one in R anymore. Had there of been, this would have been an entirely different situation.

This is just for clarification. Twist it however you like, but the simple fact remains that we were under the impression that all new guilds would be considered R, and that we were an entirely new guild considering our former guild is still in tact with leadership, officers and are currently restructuring to continue raiding.

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Originally Posted by Ella`Ella (Post 1935007)

And Catherin - this isn't an apology, it's a clarification. You'd have more of a claim at outrage if you weren't sitting in your Class-C capable guild dominating pixels over all the smaller guilds with zero intention of progression.

I'm far from outraged - like I said we already knew how this was going to end up so we let you all hang yourselves on your own.

This was me challenging your guild to actually show they mean what they say about being a new entity and let bygones be bygones etc. Right now you are off to a terrible start. doesn't mean you cant change the course now though if you are being genuine about this misunderstanding. But you don't just earn trust overnight. That's all I have to say on this.