Originally Posted by R Flair (Post 2344451)

Never heard this. I have heard american's and even generals including Patton's writing attesting to them being more than just "work camps".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrdru...amp#Liberation

Originally Posted by big_ole_jpn (Post 2344471)

Again, evidence of barbarity and war crimes committed under conditions of starvation at the end of the war which I do not deny, yet still not a camp designed for systematic extermination.

https://i.imgur.com/aycUKie.png

maybe the genius nazi scientists knew what areas the Soviets would conquer and only put death camps there, for plausible deniability later???

Originally Posted by big_ole_jpn (Post 2344548)

It's not that it's implausible or even that Germany didn't commit an organized genocide, it's that the numbers and key set pieces of the mythology (ash rain over cities) are dogshit war propaganda and discussion of that can literally land you in jail in certain serf states.

As for "why people would bother making up this kind of stuff" about an enemy nation that poses an existential threat and requires the total mobilization of the state, gee I don't know. Why 70 more years of propaganda demonizing a form of government that was never tested outside of wartime and almost got a nation off of the fiat plantation? Why create a giant looming specter of mass extermination over any discussion of distancing the nation from the international debt system? gee I sure can not think of any people who would benefit from maintaining their control over hundreds of millions of debt slaves.

Originally Posted by big_ole_jpn (Post 2344391)

Azzar can answer himself, but for my part: every single concentration camp liberated by the Soviets was supposedly a death camp, while every US/Brit-liberated was a work camp in varying state of starvation and unsupply. The entire idea of extermination camps is Soviet propaganda we decided we would not argue with -- not to say that these camps were not hell by the end of the war, but Auschwitz sending millions of people through its tiny crematorium in a few years? Yeah, that's something a commissar first started saying about an existential threat during wartime.

The number 6 million was chosen arbitrarily and had prophetic significance in Talmudic and cabalistic traditions before WW2. Death counts have steadily inflated since the 70s with no corresponding evidentiary support as Holocaust lore became more dogma than history.

Germans definitely carried out genocide in Eastern front occupied territories as part of their anti-partisan activities (wipe the entire population of likely partisans rather than have any sort of due process) and killed political opponents in Western Europe likely numbering in the millions, but the whole extermination camp 6 million thing is garbage duke.

Originally Posted by Spyder73 (Post 2344592)

Even if the numbers are exaggerated, its exaggerating one of the worst times in human history. WW2 in general is the darkest period in human existence in my opinion. You are arguing over shades of black - even if it’s not midnight oil black, its still black as f@ck. There is no reason to disparage holocaust victims or diminish the atrocities committed in WW2.

You are agreeing that the Little Johnny beat the dog, but arguing over the severity of the beating – the dog is dead either way so let it go