It’s only anecdotal, but Infestation aggro seems much reduced to me. With Infestation and Trident it took several procs to solidify aggro now. I wonder how much Willsapper was affected.

My bet is only the poor guilds will have to change their strategy. Guilds that can afford to keep mallets, root nets, puppet strings etc charged will still be relying on clickies to maintain aggro, it will just cost them slightly more plat.

willsapper is garbage now for holding aggro

That sucks. Trident seems pretty meh now also.

VP weapons probably hold aggro better

This is going to have to be fixed.

Well, sword of the shissar is still a better agroe weapon than warrior epic at 619 hate per proc now, versus the 600 (assuming this patch didn't nerf the epic, which I think it didn't). Dumping a full mallet is now worth 2000 agroe instead of the 2500 people thought it was worth before. Trident is still an offhand weapon that at most had agroe per proc reduced by 100..... Feverblade, Bane of the Shissar is still good and probably isn't any worse than before since I've never thought disease counters were worth anything like poison counters ... 11/18 + proc in primary is just good.. Using Feverblade + Trident seems fine for holding agroe in group still. Willsapper had its agroe per proc reduced from 500 to 400.. Willsapper was never a better agroe weapon than Feverblade, it just had 35hp and 9ac + slow for non-raid content.

Having infestation proc reduced to something like 562 agroe does make me wonder if warriors in their low 50s competing against epic monks and rogues in their groups who want to show off are going to be able to hold agroe. I'm interested to see what low 50s warriors without access to raid gear will be using in sebilis from now on.

Honestly I thought slow was worth 400 before, I'm surprised to find out people have been thinking it's worth like 500 or more and things were seriously nerfed with this patch lol...

Everything seems fine to me....

Agroe per minute with 255 dex at level 60 from weapons in primary hand post patch:

Dmg Bonus = 11
Proc rate is assumed to be 1 per 30 seconds on average (255/170) + .5 = 2 procs per minute
hate is calculated as DmgBonus + Dmg per swing regardless of how much damage you do
Hate for dots is calculated as 400 + TotalDmg, since 3 poison counters were thought to be something like 600-750 hate before patch


Infestation ((60/1.8) * (9 + 11)) + 562 * 2 = 1790.67 hate per minute on average

Warrior Epic ((60/2.4) * (14 + 11)) + 600 * 2 = 1825 hate per minute on average

Willsapper ((60/2) * (13 + 11)) + 400 * 2 = 1520 hate per minute on average

Sword of the Shissar ((60/2.3) * (14 + 11)) + 619 * 2 = 1890.17 hate per minute on average




This assumes infestation and will sapper were nerfed at all, as people have been talking about, so that slow was worth greater than or equal to 400 hate and 3 poison counters will still be 400 hate as well.....

Hey look the warrior epic is a better agroe weapon than infestation in the primary hand now!! Looks like this patch did fix something, because it was kind of embarrassing for infestation and the VP weapons to be blowing the epic away so hard before the patch...

Well, we can all agree willsapper sucks outside of situations where the 35% slow is relevant now....

The number of poison counters greater than one being irrelevant towards hate seems to be the biggest change. Most of the good aggro procs before now on p99 were relying on every counter to add towards the hate. However there is definitely a 400 hate cap on every spell/proc/clicky regardless of class/beneficial/harmful/damaging right now which isn't right.