Originally Posted by Gustoo (Post 3243355)

Play red. Tell your friends. It's like blue but you can solve some problems yourself. Otherwise you fraps em, same as blue. Get a little practice for red 2.0 which will be the next server that follows the classic timeline and will do so with all of the lessons learned from Green server.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by cannobeers3 (Post 3243373)

Didn't OP already have a quit-post a couple months ago?

Either way, the game is the game. It will not change (here), aside from whatever workaround rules or alterations are put in place to counter the occasional exploit/raid BS/crybaby.

If the game is no longer enjoyable, why not just quit? Is it really worth it to you (OP and anyone else) to have anything about P99 get under your skin?

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy (Post 3243310)

Large-scale raiding is pointless and also completely unrewarding to me. I wonder why people do it?

First off, there is absolutely zero challenge. ZERO. Zero zero zero zero. Point zero. You swarm the mob and it goes down in 7.5 seconds every time. If anything goes wrong, like some idiot trains the zone, then it's literally a 10 minute setback. The entire raid has been done 600 times before so there is no deviation. It's rote.

Second, any gear you get is useless. You are already on the raid and the boss is gonna go down in 7.5 seconds with or without your Magical Super Club. And that Magical Super Club feels worthless to you because it was handed to your for showing up. You got enough points for simply showing up, here it is. Cherish your participation trophy, don't worry no one is going to parse the logs to find out you did nothing of substance.

I keep track of people as a hobby. I fill up mule friends lists with names of known high level people in various guilds just to see where they go, what they're doing. I'll tell you what they're doing. They're quitting. They churn rate is tremendous. I have a hundred people over 55 I never see any more and I've only been doing this for two months. I see them join various guilds, then I see them in a couple of raids, then they're no longer online. The core, the leadership as it were, they stick around. And around them swirl dozens of newcomers every week, never to be seen in a months time.

I know why. Because there is no challenge. They are fed this fantasy all their leveling life that the raiding life awaits them, the can help kill the dragons and get super loot! And when they get there they realize that the only challenge is showing up on time. But they keep coming because they have been conditioned that this is the end-game and then they quit because the end-game is a chore.

It seems like the leadership runs these raids not for the loot. They run these to become better middle managers and deliver the project on time. The satisfaction they get is increasing the ROI so the Big Boss goes down in less time than projections have showed. And you are just a temp, without benefits and health insurance, working in their office building.

I had people on my lists from smaller guilds who were swallowed by the larger guilds so they could raid. Guess what? Those folks are gone, the vast majority of them. Looks like the lawn was brown on the other side of the fence too.

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy (Post 3243310)

Large-scale raiding is pointless and also completely unrewarding to me. I wonder why people do it?

First off, there is absolutely zero challenge. ZERO. Zero zero zero zero. Point zero. You swarm the mob and it goes down in 7.5 seconds every time. If anything goes wrong, like some idiot trains the zone, then it's literally a 10 minute setback. The entire raid has been done 600 times before so there is no deviation. It's rote.

Second, any gear you get is useless. You are already on the raid and the boss is gonna go down in 7.5 seconds with or without your Magical Super Club. And that Magical Super Club feels worthless to you because it was handed to your for showing up. You got enough points for simply showing up, here it is. Cherish your participation trophy, don't worry no one is going to parse the logs to find out you did nothing of substance.

I keep track of people as a hobby. I fill up mule friends lists with names of known high level people in various guilds just to see where they go, what they're doing. I'll tell you what they're doing. They're quitting. They churn rate is tremendous. I have a hundred people over 55 I never see any more and I've only been doing this for two months. I see them join various guilds, then I see them in a couple of raids, then they're no longer online. The core, the leadership as it were, they stick around. And around them swirl dozens of newcomers every week, never to be seen in a months time.

I know why. Because there is no challenge. They are fed this fantasy all their leveling life that the raiding life awaits them, the can help kill the dragons and get super loot! And when they get there they realize that the only challenge is showing up on time. But they keep coming because they have been conditioned that this is the end-game and then they quit because the end-game is a chore.

It seems like the leadership runs these raids not for the loot. They run these to become better middle managers and deliver the project on time. The satisfaction they get is increasing the ROI so the Big Boss goes down in less time than projections have showed. And you are just a temp, without benefits and health insurance, working in their office building.

I had people on my lists from smaller guilds who were swallowed by the larger guilds so they could raid. Guess what? Those folks are gone, the vast majority of them. Looks like the lawn was brown on the other side of the fence too.