For raids, a troll will have much more mana available than an ogre. Sorry guys, but you're not tanking in a raid. Troll all the way. And for awesome leveling opportunities, make his deity Innoruuk.

You min/maxers are like school in summertime

No class.

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Ogre is a mistake for raiding; the troll or iksar innate regen will be far more useful than bash protection.

Also max mana is useful for longer fights.

Stun immunity is worthless except in some really pointless situations, like when trying to ds tank/kill 10 green cons at once. Even while normal soloing, slowed mobs bash once every 32 seconds, and miss half the time anyway. As you say you are looking mostly to raid, getting bashed isn't a concern at all. If you're looking simply to max hp, ogre is the way to go as they have higher starting STA. However, you'll likely see better performance out of a troll, as the extra regen is = flowing thought 5 or thereabouts. This is probably more useful than the 39 hp you gain from an ogre. Don't go iksar, their starting STA is really low. And if you want to be all around awesome, go barb.

Ooo mate there is nothing like being an individual huh :p
I was the same man, I was peer pressured into remaking my Warrior all them years ago! to an Ogre.

But this time I am Gnoming it up baby! yeah!

I would have respected you more if you stuck at the Iksar but hey! watch this bro it may help!

http://www.facebook.com/video/video....50236162120433

Stun immunity is very nice. I miss that on my barb a HELL of a lot more than some extra regen.

Also, maxing STA for a shammy is overrated. The HP returns on stam are very very small, and since if you're gearing yourself properly (HP, HP, and HP) you wont be anywhere near the WIS softcap anyway. Saying "WIS is easier to max" is a misleading statement since your goal as a shaman is to gear for HP, not wis/mana.

HP>>>>>>WIS/MANA>STA

depends what you want, i first played a barb shaman, good hp/str-god though i wish i didnt really make a iksar shaman sort of

only reason, atm only raid gear i can get atm, is some stuff from sky, or kunark, what even in kunark i have no clue

but the hp regen on my iksar is kick ass, though if you plan on doing end content, raids ect, and want gear, go with any of the original races

No 60 shaman cares if they have innate regen or not. This is fact. Past level 50
Every non ogre 60 shaman that cops a bash and loses 200-300 mana in the process (from losing HP from being hit another round).
Every non ogre 60 shaman that gets a slow resist and eats a bash, bla bla bla.

Those who say it is irrelevent, have not played both or are ignorant to their surroundings. The solo potential is huge. Even channeling JBB without being bashed makes up for not having regen. Noone says regen is bad, just that it is inferior to other racials in the high end kunark/velious game.

How likely is it that anyone making a thread like this is going to become a 60 shaman?

Sure make an ogre if you're one of the "the game starts at level 60" people. Otherwise make whatever you want.