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Cecily 12-15-2018 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ScaringChildren (Post 2826480)
It's really not, I'm making one basic point throughout my comment. You're just not used to having your ideology challenged.



Antifa attacks people who support freedom of speech. I wasn't aware that was a 'fascist' stance. These are people who have demonstrated in support of freedom of speech when a 2nd wave leftist feminist was deplatformed by Antifa.

They're not even close to being fascists.



Yeah? You do that after you bash them over the head with a baseball bat, sending them to the hospital? How often does that work?



I've never seen center-left people who support freedom of speech and expression become hard right genocidal fascists. Which period of history did that happen? I must've missed that.



I'm not even surprised you missed the analogy there. If you understood it, you probably wouldn't support Antifa.



So at what point do you start attacking people? You support attacking people to prevent fascism, so when do you start? If someone advocates for lower taxes?



Do you seriously not understand this analogy? I'm trying to show you how it would be if the shoe was on the other foot.



Watch it again. There's a lesson to learn.



Yeah, not a group of people who wear red and black, with a logo and a shared purpose. Sorry, not a group.



Because individualism doesn't matter. Nuance doesn't exist. Right?



No, they're attacking random people all with individual political beliefs. If the mob attacks, it is done without question.



Yep, you covered it. "Fellow leftists fall in line or else you get attacked".



You know what 'delusion' is, right? If fascism existed in the US, you wouldn't be able to demonstrate against it without being jailed/hunted down and killed.



Well this study says you're wrong. Not only will you not convince fascists, you turn normal citizens against you with your violence. Because you are the only ones who perceive there is danger. Everyone else does not believe we live in a dictatorship.



I'm not trusting the Nazis with telling the truth. It very well may have been a false flag.

What is true however, is that Antifa and the fascists were fighting in the streets leading up to that point and the citizens were tired of it. As the study I linked shows, they typically turn towards someone who offers a solution to the chaos.



You didn't convince me.

Quoted for emphasis.

Throndor 12-15-2018 01:50 PM

When ceasar squashed democracy, the people thanked him for it, and the republic was never a republic again.

misterbonkers 12-15-2018 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Throndor (Post 2826478)
Im pretty proud of all you guys for carrying on a cogent discussion in my stead while i was out charming the sweet sweet babes at my company christmas party last night. About time you all evolved the conversation into an intelligent discussion.

Cheers

that's not an opinion on avocado toast

Wonkie 12-15-2018 02:22 PM

not giving the fascists everything they want forces them to do fascism, which is your fault

Wonkie 12-15-2018 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ScaringChildren (Post 2826480)
I've never seen center-left people who support freedom of speech and expression become hard right genocidal fascists. Which period of history did that happen? I must've missed that.

mick

ScaringChildren 12-15-2018 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonkie (Post 2826496)
not giving the fascists everything they want forces them to do fascism, which is your fault

No, it's the fascists' fault if they rise up and become tyrannical.

You're victim blaming.

I'll agree somewhat in the way that we need to be mindful of what makes extremism attractive and take care to meet those needs in a reasonable way.

For example, conservatives (and leftists) should be concerned with wealth inequality because it can create extremists, and address those issues before an extreme group becomes the only solution.

Wonkie 12-15-2018 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ScaringChildren (Post 2826512)
No, it's the fascists' fault if they rise up and become tyrannical.

You're victim blaming.

I'll agree somewhat in the way that we need to be mindful of what makes extremism attractive and take care to meet those needs in a reasonable way.

For example, conservatives (and leftists) should be concerned with wealth inequality because it can create extremists, and address those issues before an extreme group becomes the only solution.

ethnic cleansing is never the solution

Wonkie 12-15-2018 03:05 PM

you clearly know who is being called a fascist btw stop trolling
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Originally Posted by ScaringChildren (Post 2813496)
Semantics??

Lol dude that is the defining piece of "alt-right".

"alt-right" has become "someone who believes in the White ethnostate".

I don't believe in that, so I'm not Alt-Right.


ScaringChildren 12-15-2018 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonkie (Post 2826518)
ethnic cleansing is never the solution

Do you think people just wake up and want to ethnically cleanse?

Something motivates them.

Have you ever thought why fascism rose to power in places like Germany, Italy, etc?

There are reasons people embrace and support extremist views.

I know you want to just see them as "evil", but that's lazy.

Wonkie 12-15-2018 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ScaringChildren (Post 2826527)
Do you think people just wake up and want to ethnically cleanse?

Something motivates them.

Have you ever thought why fascism rose to power in places like Germany, Italy, etc?

There are reasons people embrace and support extremist views.

I know you want to just see them as "evil", but that's lazy.

galaxy brain: truly the opponents of ethnic cleansing are ultimately responsible for it.


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